Recently the creator of Pixelfed, Dansup, went live with this
It has sections for 'safeguards against hate speech' and 'strong protections for vulnerable communities'.
Also recently, & a bunch of times in the past, Dansup has used AAVE (commonwealthtimes.org/2021/02/…) in posts (despite being asked several times, including by Black folk, to please stop appropriating AAVE), posted transmisic comments, then deleted them and blamed it on being drunk.
Receipts in the next toot.
AAVE is not your internet slang. It is Black culture.
“You talk white.”I’ve never been quite sure how I should feel when I hear that. Am I supposed to be honored or offended?Opinions Editor (The Commonweath Times)
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Calligrafae
in reply to Calligrafae • • •Transphobia: ghostarchive.org/archive/TeahB
AAVE:
h-i.social/@poisonous/11374281…
ghostarchive.org/archive/i7Rt6
(here's the post Dan links to defending his use of 'y'all', when if you scroll down, you'll see Tobi explaining that 'y'all' wasn't the problem: archive.is/6bhhZ )
archive.is/JT3Fu
archive.is/0S8TG (posted after deleting other posts)
In late '23 Dan approached me about taking ownership of pixelfed.art and helping guide the direction of moderation tooling for Pixelfed overall -
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dansup: "I never said I was nice 😈 obv…" - Mastodon | Ghostarchive
ghostarchive.orgCalligrafae
in reply to Calligrafae • • •Calligrafae
in reply to Calligrafae • • •but if it meant we could help guide Pixelfed more towards prioritising community safety for marginalised people, we'd work with him. I told him in no uncertain terms that if he did ANYTHING that we disagreed with, we'd bail immediately. He assured me he was fine with all of this and said repeatedly how eager he was for us to get involved and take over pixelfed.art.
Several months later, crickets from him, and I guess he just carried on doing his own thing and wasn't really that enthusiastic 🧵
Calligrafae
in reply to Calligrafae • • •Calligrafae
in reply to Calligrafae • • •More examples of him using AAVE:
mastodon.social/@dansup/113379… (archive.is/8Ycdv)
mastodon.social/@dansup/113396… (archive.is/XwGyY)
dansup
2024-10-30 11:21:30
Simon Zerafa (Status: 😷🧑⚕️🌈)
in reply to Calligrafae • • •I've heard all sorts of people in the US using "Y'all" on occasions. I haven't read the whole thread as yet though to see what else might be causing issues.
Y'all is a Southern thing as far as I can gather anyway.
Andy P
in reply to Simon Zerafa (Status: 😷🧑⚕️🌈) • • •Artist Marcia X
in reply to Andy P • • •@otterlove @simonzerafa Yall is Southern, for everyone in the SOUTH
However, until VERY recently, if you were in the North, the only ppl that said "Yall" were African Am folks, because many in CHicago, Detroit and other North cities are descendants from Southern Blk Folks that moved in the Great Migration. There is (as always) context and nuance to this. and now yall has permeated into pop culture. In the 90s, I only knew Blk folks that said in Chicago
Calligrafae
in reply to Artist Marcia X • • •Calligrafae
in reply to Calligrafae • • •Florian
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Calligrafae
in reply to Calligrafae • • •Small addition to the above, just to link this other thread I made that clarifies which bits are appropriated AAVE, and why that's bad:
mastodon.art/@welshpixie/11382…
Calligrafae
2025-01-14 08:19:27
Calligrafae
in reply to Calligrafae • • •MORE AAVE, plus just generally unspeakably cringe: ghostarchive.org/archive/ysdpH
AAVE and ageism: ghostarchive.org/archive/13omq
Daniel Supernault: "Thank god the fedi has one wit…" - Mastodon | Ghostarchive
ghostarchive.orgshello
in reply to Calligrafae • • •Calligrafae
in reply to shello • • •Absolutely unmanageable
in reply to shello • • •Calligrafae
in reply to Absolutely unmanageable • • •Calligrafae
in reply to Calligrafae • • •What does Dan think of all this, meanwhile?
archive.is/5w7z9
The racism, transphobia, constant trolling of people, being abusive, picking fights and punching down?
He's just doing it for the free advertising.
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in reply to Calligrafae • • •Ruby Jones
in reply to Calligrafae • • •Alvar Sirlin
in reply to Calligrafae • • •Language is fluid and he didnt actually attack anyone (from what I've seen).
Calligrafae
in reply to Alvar Sirlin • • •Cats Who Draw
in reply to Calligrafae • • •neurotic_fiend_friction 🐚
in reply to Cats Who Draw • • •Sensitive content
@catswhocode @alvarix
Yeah. To poorly rehash what the folks directly involved have said many times:
It's the worst kind of mindfuckery to use someone else's speech for social cache when you know that it provides THEM no comparable social cache in the circles you yourself move in. 🙁 Or in most of the rest of the mainstream/white world, for that matter.
neurotic_fiend_friction 🐚
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@catswhocode
Oh, and I agree about language being fluid @alvarix . I mean, it's fluid enough to accommodate phrases like, "Sorry. I fucked up. I deleted that shit because it did more harm than good to my arguments."
(Yes, I've had to do this. It's not a pretty feeling, but I got over it.)
Cats Who Draw
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Alvar Sirlin
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@catswhocode @xenophora I dont want to get caught up in, and that's my point.
If something can do you no harm by ignorning it, I don't think anyone should unilaterally judge them for a whole community.
Say what you want to say in response. People can decide for themselves whether to take sides or give it zero importance.
Calligrafae
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Cats Who Draw
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in reply to Calligrafae • • •Calligrafae
in reply to Trisha Lynn 🇵🇭 🇺🇸 🇨🇦 • • •Off On One (@welshpixie@mastodon.art)
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in reply to Calligrafae • • •L'égrégore André ꕭꕬ
Unknown parent • • •(I'm frankly more annoyed by his responses to criticism than the cringy appropriation)
Bluszcz
in reply to Calligrafae • • •mastodon.art/@bluszcz/11392332… adding to the list my post about my account removal from pixel by dansup ;)
Bluszcz
2025-01-31 13:58:54
Esther Payne
Unknown parent • • •@monospace @ruari I fear we're repeating a lot of the mistakes we made when we gave Zuckerberg et all the benefit of the doubt on Facebook.
I see the support for some of our problematic young Devs from some of my contemporaries who possibly were at tech meetups in the 2010s. Reliving their 20s.
Where "line goes up", and we need "more people on fedi", at the expense of community safety in our networks. Where people see defederation as censorship, when it's about community safety. 🙇♀️
Calligrafae
in reply to Esther Payne • • •Dušan Mitrović
in reply to Calligrafae • • •I recently had a conversation with someone that said insisting on language puritanism perpetuates the oppression of the working class, which I found to be a convincing argument.
In that regard I find it interesting that you seem to be taking an opposite stance here. Forgive me, I cannot seem to find your comment, but you said something about language fluidity being used to justify this kind of behavior is wrong, because that's a colonial mindset?? Can you clarify what you mean?
Calligrafae
in reply to Dušan Mitrović • • •Calligrafae
in reply to Calligrafae • • •@dusnm - pyramid; we can't be oppressed.
There's a huge difference between one widely spoken Western-European language taking loan words from another widely spoken Western-European language, both spoken by people who have been largely (if not entirely) free from oppression, and doing it to a tiny language that forms part of the heritage of a marginalised group.
There's plenty of stuff you can read about cultural appropriation if you want to self-educate. Also see h-i.social/@poisonous/11382667… .
Leni [public alt] ♡ (@poisonous@h-i.social)
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in reply to Calligrafae • • •I always found it tricky to straddle the cultural appropriation line, because in some ways the line is really blurry.
Say for instance, the other day me and my coworkers decided to eat some Mexican food, almost as an afterthought, an off-handed comment. "Let's go to that Mexican place". To us it's just another variety of food, but for the people of Mexico it's literally part of their history, heritage, culture. Is it cultural appropriation to do that? Ask people from different cultures and you'll get different answers. We (from Serbia) generally really like others taking notice of our cultural customs, especially our cuisine, and we love sharing it with the world, but some other people might not think so.
Coming back to my main point, maybe you're really onto something here, maybe it's really distasteful (that I agree on) for a white man to use AAVE, especially in America, but can you really, honestly, make judgements about someone's character based solely on that fact? I don't really know the answer to that question.
Calligrafae
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