RedNote may wall off “TikTok refugees” to prevent US influence on Chinese users
RedNote may wall off “TikTok refugees” to prevent US influence on Chinese users
Rumors swirl that RedNote may segregate Chinese users as soon as next week.Ashley Belanger (Ars Technica)
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in reply to metaStatic • • •Hellmo_luciferrari
in reply to Deceptichum • • •Deceptichum
in reply to Hellmo_luciferrari • • •Oh come off it mate. It’s not hard to see where the US has lead the charge in topics such as LGBT+ rights or racial equality, and it wasn’t from Asia or Europe let me tell you that much.
They may have a shit ton of flaws, and have a large part actively trying to undo all their work, but they have still done so much positive.
Look at the timeline for marriage equality for instance, they were right up there with the first wave leading the global surge. That doesn’t happen if you’re full of hatred for them.
They’re a dichotomy of amazing social progressivism and brutal conservatism.
Hellmo_luciferrari
in reply to Deceptichum • • •I didn't say there were no positives from America did I? I didn't rank where America stands in how progressive or conservative America is.
I said America is full of hatred towards Minorities with no comparison to another place.
I am not wrong. There is too much of it.
So "come off" what exactly?
brucethemoose
in reply to Hellmo_luciferrari • • •Decep is right.
You're basically implying the bad outweighs the good to the point that it won't give them any ideas.
The bad may be very amplified now, but I think the TikTok crowd in particular and US history skews towards "majority good"
Hellmo_luciferrari
in reply to brucethemoose • • •I didn't imply that. Stating that there is too much hatred of minorities doesn't mean that America fails at everything. That is a stretch. Me pointing out that America has a lot of hatred towards minorities isn't a reflection of everything America does as a whole is inherently bad.
I didn't say that America can't have a good influence on another country. America isn't one to look to especially now for how minorities are treated.
Jo Miran
in reply to Hellmo_luciferrari • • •But you are wrong. The US doesn't hate its minorities in general. The US hates the poor in specific.
The same goes if you replace "billionaire" with "poor". If you are rich, you are welcome. That's your only qualifier. If you are poor, you are trash. That is your only qualifier.
Hellmo_luciferrari
in reply to Jo Miran • • •When I say America I mean the people of America. There are large numbers of folks, regardless of why they do, hate minorities.
I didn't say the wealthy "elite" weren't the cause of a lot of the divide. They absolutely are. No such thing as an ethical billionaire.
I'm not disagreeing with you on the fact that your financial status isn't what really separates us. What I am saying is there is still too much hate towards minorities. That doesn't change that the wealthy are a problem.
You're taking two separate ideas and merging them into one "truth."
They ate two separate topics. Just because the wealthy are guilty of the bad they are doing doesn't take away the fact that there is too much hate towards minorities in America from the people that live here.
DragonTypeWyvern
in reply to Jo Miran • • •I don't think that's entirely true and Thiel will learn that lesson sooner or later. Arguably already has as he was rumored to have been pissed about all the anti-trans rhetoric and throttled spending, which is why Elon had to step up and shell out.
Now Musk is in the driver seat with a grudge he hasn't paid back from PayPal and Thiel's in danger of finding out after fucking around.
NotSteve_
in reply to Deceptichum • • •This timeline?
Where the US is nearly the last of any western nation to legalise gay marriage?
And isn't your country actively trying to work back any progress you've had in the last decade? Trans rights, queer rights, women's rights, minority rights.
Also isn't it Americans who are pushing the most for anti-LGBT legislation in African countries?
Canada is falling down the same hill when it comes to trans rights, and it hurts me, but I'm not out here saying that Canada is any sort of leader in the field. I recognise the issues my country has and I'm going to fight to fix them.
Knock off the American exceptionalism for one second and deal with the problems your country has
LGBT+ rights: Th countries where same-sex marriage is legal, mapped | indy100
Louis Staples (indy100)Deceptichum
in reply to NotSteve_ • • •Mahatey, it’s not my fucking country or American exceptionalism because I’m not American eh?
This timeline:
And you’re a fucking idiot if you don’t think Canada is not one of the best places in the world for rights. Go take a holiday to 90% of the world and let me know how they treat women or queers.
NotSteve_
in reply to Deceptichum • • •Didn't realise you weren't American, sorry for assuming. Admittedly I'm very jaded right now (and a bit drunk) with all the threats of invasion and with Americans either laughing it off or being all for it (and I recognise that's not all Americans but it's enough). Like, "haha, Canada will turn the USA blue!"
And fine, yeah Canada is pretty up there for LGBT rights, but when one of the main platform points (imported from the USA!) from the Conservatives right now seems to be just straight up attacking trans people, it makes me pretty worried. I have multiple family members and a few friends who are trans or non binary and the rhetoric is scary.
But TL;DR, not angry at you, just America(ns). I apologise to the good Americans, but your country is exporting a lot of bullshit right now. More than usual
john89
in reply to NotSteve_ • • •American here. I would love for us to come up and take over your country.
You piggyback on our military, and I believe any detriments to Canada will be balanced by benefits to America.
ArcaneSlime
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in reply to joyhunter • • •. . . You don't think Mexico is western?
And who said anything about the first black president or abolishing slavery? Mexico didn't give women the right to vote until 50 years after we did here in Australia, does that mean you reek as well? What an odd stand to try and make.
joyhunter
in reply to Deceptichum • • •Lmao, way to go, I'm not even Mexican. You said the US was leading the charge and included racism, that's a silly statement, so I pointed out the absurdity of it.
Mexico is culturally western, but not white, ergo, not politically western. And Australia, you're British diaspora from a country constantly attacking the aboriginals through even their votes. While Mexico can be lacking, they're the ones with a female president and abortion rights, so again, the americans leading the charge is a humorous statement.
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in reply to Eldritch • • •Singling out a problem that exists in a country I am very familiar with is a non problem. I didn't state it was special to America. I didn't speak on any other nation and their hatred of minorities. I didn't even state anything about it being part of "human nature."
I spoke on being familiar with the fact that it is a problem in America.
john89
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in reply to MolecularCactus1324 • • •It's not surprising, and I get the irony, but I feel more sad than amused.
littlewonder
in reply to gaael • • •You know, the news about Chinese and American users comparing their worldviews seemed weird to me because it reads like this is the first time Chinese and American users have interacted and had the chance to talk "candidly".
My first thought was, "Why the fuck is this news? It's not like Chinese users can't interact on American platfor---"
...oh. Right. The great firewall.
alcoholicorn
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in reply to gaael • • •I totally agree with you.
We shouldn't be cheering on segregation.
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in reply to homicidalrobot • • •They blocked the TikTok domain in China. What would you call that, if not a ban?
You are naive if you believe they aren't going to sever the communities. That was always going to happen.
homicidalrobot
in reply to Syntha • • •The only vibe I get from you is "15yo who just learned about politics".
AN: read this user's comment history lmao
Syntha
in reply to homicidalrobot • • •FolknForage
in reply to homicidalrobot • • •Why is it a different product then? Does it allow the same content? Same algorithm?
Or is it different, and not an actual carbo copy?
Jin
in reply to FolknForage • • •While similar, Douyin is only available for people in China and it's heavenly censored and have a lot propaganda from Chinese government.
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in reply to SatanClaus • • •You can't buy a whooper in McDonald's
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in reply to SatanClaus • • •Probably can't show you something that's censored and removed 😆
You can watch laowhy86 watching Douyin propaganda content
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in reply to Jin • • •Lmfao. Big true thank you for insight 💜💜
I've just heard that a lot but never really seen proof it happens.
Jin
in reply to SatanClaus • • •I did find this article from NYTimes, that explains douyin well.
nytimes.com/2024/04/25/busines…
Jin
in reply to homicidalrobot • • •Chinese people cannot sign up for TikTok and communicate with the outside world.
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Humans gonna human ig LMAO
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in reply to JiveTurkey • • •There’s your problem. If they stated their rules, rather than forcing people to figure them out by trial and error, I’d have less of an issue with it. Like, lemmygrad is explicit in its intent and they state it outright in their rules. Lemmy.ml plays it too coy, and so comes off as incredibly manipulative.
NaibofTabr
in reply to IndescribablySad@threads.net • • •You just broke the secret law!
Typical fascist behavior.
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JiveTurkey
in reply to Sidyctism2 • • •DragonTypeWyvern
in reply to JiveTurkey • • •I wouldn't take it seriously, they gave me a month long instance ban for saying a federal representative democracy is by definition a type of democracy.
"American propaganda" or something.
queermunist she/her
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in reply to queermunist she/her • • •God, shut up nerd, like your red fascist bullshit and their one party elections were or are better. Do you want to hear that it's a flawed system? It is. All states are and should be abolished.
Still a type of democracy, and still more democratic than anything Russia or China have ever managed.
queermunist she/her
in reply to DragonTypeWyvern • • •The United States was founded as a white supremacist settler-colony. This shit is the same as calling Israel a democracy.
How come the US can be "flawed" but China is "red fascist"? The US is white fascist. You want to talk about fascism? The US's prison population is higher than either the USSR was or China is, and under Trump it's going to get worse! Where's the democracy for the millions of undocumented workers that the US relies on to run its economy, that the US is gearing up to round up by the millions into prison camps? Where's their democracy? Where's the democracy for the hundreds of thousands of child brides and child laborers all across the US? Half a million children pick almost a quarter of the food currently produced in the United States. They pay taxes, are forced to give birth, but they can't vote.
Trump didn't even get 50% of the vote, and now he's in charge of everything. "Democracy"
We have to accept that the US is not democratic; it's reformed fascism, and those reforms are in danger right now. If you ever want the U
... show moreThe United States was founded as a white supremacist settler-colony. This shit is the same as calling Israel a democracy.
How come the US can be "flawed" but China is "red fascist"? The US is white fascist. You want to talk about fascism? The US's prison population is higher than either the USSR was or China is, and under Trump it's going to get worse! Where's the democracy for the millions of undocumented workers that the US relies on to run its economy, that the US is gearing up to round up by the millions into prison camps? Where's their democracy? Where's the democracy for the hundreds of thousands of child brides and child laborers all across the US? Half a million children pick almost a quarter of the food currently produced in the United States. They pay taxes, are forced to give birth, but they can't vote.
Trump didn't even get 50% of the vote, and now he's in charge of everything. "Democracy"
We have to accept that the US is not democratic; it's reformed fascism, and those reforms are in danger right now. If you ever want the US to be a democracy you need to recognize this and protect the democratic reforms we have.
JiveTurkey
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in reply to JiveTurkey • • •It's democracy when only white men are allowed to choose representatives? What?
It's settler-colonialism. Fascism. Where was the democracy for the Natives? Or the slaves? The original system has had many democratic reforms, but denying its roots as fundamentally undemocratic is historical revisionism and blinds you to the US's flaws. You'll never fix this country's problems if you can't even recognize this.
JiveTurkey
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •queermunist she/her
in reply to JiveTurkey • • •It can always be worse! How come you can acknowledge that it's shit, but you can't acknowledge that it's fundamentally undemocratic? Where's the disconnect here? The US was not founded as a democracy, it was founded as a white supremacist settler-colony. Today it's had many democratic reforms, and that's good! But we have to acknowledge these root problems.
Has it had enough reforms to be called a democracy? Trump got less than 50% of the vote and he's been elected twice!
scratchee
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •As a Brit, this all seems unhelpful. The only reason anyone cares how the US was “founded” hundreds of years ago is that they were a bit closer to having the right idea at the start than most countries. Doesn’t mean they did of course, but compare to how the UK was “founded”, or Greece, “the birthplace of democracy”, and suddenly it really doesn’t matter.
As for whether it is currently a democracy, a flawed democracy is still a democracy. Trumps a terrible choice but he did get a lot of votes by ordinary people, and whilst their system is skewed by being a shitty fptp setup (just like the UK sadly) and their crazy elector system, it is nonetheless fairly democratic, in the sense that most people can vote, they didn’t pressure or threaten voters much, they didn’t fake lots of votes, and the flaws can only influence and skew the result to some extent, rather than being the deciding factor.
... show moreBut it isn’t the best democracy in the world, we can all agree on that. I hope they manage to replace i
As a Brit, this all seems unhelpful. The only reason anyone cares how the US was “founded” hundreds of years ago is that they were a bit closer to having the right idea at the start than most countries. Doesn’t mean they did of course, but compare to how the UK was “founded”, or Greece, “the birthplace of democracy”, and suddenly it really doesn’t matter.
As for whether it is currently a democracy, a flawed democracy is still a democracy. Trumps a terrible choice but he did get a lot of votes by ordinary people, and whilst their system is skewed by being a shitty fptp setup (just like the UK sadly) and their crazy elector system, it is nonetheless fairly democratic, in the sense that most people can vote, they didn’t pressure or threaten voters much, they didn’t fake lots of votes, and the flaws can only influence and skew the result to some extent, rather than being the deciding factor.
But it isn’t the best democracy in the world, we can all agree on that. I hope they manage to replace it in our lifetimes with something that would allow for more than 2 parties (UK too).
queermunist she/her
in reply to scratchee • • •He got a lot of votes, but he didn't actually get the majority. He got a plurality.
Unless all people can vote it isn't a democracy. It totally reverses the power dynamic of democracy - rather than the People choosing their leaders, the leaders choose who gets to be of the People. It's completely backwards! As long as the enduring legacy of settler-colonialism can choose who is allowed to vote there will be no democracy.
The way electoral districts are drawn, the way voters get purged or have to go through hoops to get registered, the way people can have their right to vote taken away, the way noncitizens and disenfranchised citizens in federal prisons are counted by the census for the purpose of allotting representatives, the efforts to keep voter participati
... show moreHe got a lot of votes, but he didn't actually get the majority. He got a plurality.
Unless all people can vote it isn't a democracy. It totally reverses the power dynamic of democracy - rather than the People choosing their leaders, the leaders choose who gets to be of the People. It's completely backwards! As long as the enduring legacy of settler-colonialism can choose who is allowed to vote there will be no democracy.
The way electoral districts are drawn, the way voters get purged or have to go through hoops to get registered, the way people can have their right to vote taken away, the way noncitizens and disenfranchised citizens in federal prisons are counted by the census for the purpose of allotting representatives, the efforts to keep voter participation as low as possible, it's all rigged to produce undemocratic results.
It's useful for us to recognize that this isn't democracy. Not yet.
scratchee
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •Strongly disagree.
Yes, all the problems you listed weaken a democracy. Some by a lot.
But that’s “no true Scotsman” logic, and dangerous.
Better to apply fuzzy logic than Boolean logic, countries are not perfect democracies or non democracies. They are on a sliding scale, and there’s not much point making a scale that is so idealistic that no existing country can get on the scale (or where only the best few can).
You can claim the US and UK are weak democracies, that’s justifiable if you define why (and you have, I see your point there). But calling them non democracies is just willfully twisting the meaning of words, in fact they’re unusually good democracies by some measures (both have unusually free and trustworthy elections compared to most in the world, and that has to be taken into account).
Or to put it another way, any scale needs space at the bottom.
Imagine an alternative USA where every single state was gerrymandered to hell by whoever won, where electors were routinely b
... show moreStrongly disagree.
Yes, all the problems you listed weaken a democracy. Some by a lot.
But that’s “no true Scotsman” logic, and dangerous.
Better to apply fuzzy logic than Boolean logic, countries are not perfect democracies or non democracies. They are on a sliding scale, and there’s not much point making a scale that is so idealistic that no existing country can get on the scale (or where only the best few can).
You can claim the US and UK are weak democracies, that’s justifiable if you define why (and you have, I see your point there). But calling them non democracies is just willfully twisting the meaning of words, in fact they’re unusually good democracies by some measures (both have unusually free and trustworthy elections compared to most in the world, and that has to be taken into account).
Or to put it another way, any scale needs space at the bottom.
Imagine an alternative USA where every single state was gerrymandered to hell by whoever won, where electors were routinely bribed by opposition parties to vote against their states results, where people were bullied at the polls or where minorities were entirely disenfranchised. That would be a worse place than our USA, but by your definition both would be the same. Clearly they are not the same, that one is a worse democracy. By my definition that hypothetical and awful democracy is still a democracy, just a very very bad one.
queermunist she/her
in reply to scratchee • • •Okay. Now imagine an alternative USA where only a small selection of royal families are allowed to vote and electors are aristocrats chosen by birth and court intrigue. By your definition this hypothetical is also a democracy, even if it's an awful very very bad one. You have nuanced away the meaning of the word entirely.
scratchee
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •Yes, great example. That would indeed be stretching the definition to breaking point. The fuzzy logic approach would be that you’ve described a 99% monarchy with 1% democracy.
Personally I’d put the US as a 60% democracy with a 40% oligopoly. The UK is similar since on the one hand we have more than 2 parties and are slightly better at avoiding gerrymandering and voter suppression, but on the other hand we have the silly rules for the House of Lords, and weaker freedom of speech (I don’t mind the theory of banning violent extremist speech, but I don’t like the application we’ve got at the moment, it prevents too much speech that isn’t unreasonable, free speech would be better).
Based on what you’ve said, I’m
Sure you’d put it lower, but I don’t think you can justify putting 1% when it’s so easy to find worse countries even in the real world, that are still on the democracy spectrum.
queermunist she/her
in reply to scratchee • • •scratchee
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •Because democracy is not the best way to solve every problem.
The messy job of squeezing entire countries into a handful of words is fraught enough without throwing away up to half of the information.
As a more amusing answer: Dictatorships throw away 99.9% of the opinions, so should we let one arsehole decide which countries are called a dictatorship?
queermunist she/her
in reply to scratchee • • •I only said to apply the logic of liberal democracy to itself, not to apply it to all countries.
I think your insistence on using a fuzzy spectrum to define concrete terms results in words not meaning anything at all. The
"99% monarchy 1% democracy" gets to call itself a democracy by your fuzzy logic because it has democratic elements. That's clearly not a good heuristic. There must be a point where the antidemocratic elements in a society disqualify it from being a democracy.
scratchee
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •queermunist she/her
in reply to scratchee • • •scratchee
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •No, but I will acknowledge where some democratic elements exist within even the DPRK, though they’re very thin and weak.
There are other forms of government that are a better match for describing the DPRK. One party dictatorship, for example.
If you want to apply the same logic to the US, calling it simply an oligarchy rings hollow, though there’s a stronger argument than DPRK+democracy I’ll admit.
It’s a democracy with flaws, but those flaws are smaller than the democratic elements they weaken, so it still gets to be called a democracy.
queermunist she/her
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in reply to JiveTurkey • • •That's not assuming none switched to Trump, merely that most switched to Harris. I think having such a close runoff race would also be likely to change how people voted more broadly. Turnout would be through the roof if everyone felt like their one vote would be the one that swung the election. It's really hard to say what the results would have been.
And we'll never know because this shithole country doesn't do runoff elections.
Yes, and it's bad. I'm saying the way US elections work is undemocratic. They are designed from the ground-up to favor the ruling class and suppress the will of the People. They are meant to be undemocratic. This was all intentional.
JiveTurkey
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in reply to HeyJoe • • •The scalability is my concern too. It took me like 8 days after I signed up before I got my login to Loops.
Gotta say I really like it, though
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in reply to HeyJoe • • •Is it federated?
Not sure why we're all excited for the next centralized platform. We should be rolling up our sleeves and figuring out ways to implement decentralized protocols so anyone can their platform.
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Kinda like how Chinese citizens can’t use tiktok either. Wonder why…
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in reply to RememberTheApollo_ • • •It's not really an 'addiction.' It's a culture.
People don't value things that take time or effort anymore. All they want is their instant-gratification to forget about their shitty lives a little bit longer. Short-form video and posts provide this for them.
It's all according to plan to keep people apathetic until the day they die. That way, they never fight back against the people pulling their strings.
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in reply to ryannathans • • •reuters.com/technology/chinas-…
blakemiller
in reply to Engywook • • •I find takes like this unfortunate. I learned SO much on TikTok. Accounts like gatenerd, jerrythink, kellyscleankitchen, softpourn, publicopinion, hankgreen, alexisanddean, thelawsayswhat, kylascan, and countless interior designers, architects, chefs, and all the others I can’t recall.
There is no other platform like TikTok where you can get drawn in not just in minutes watched, but in knowledge gained. Wish you shared my experience.
locuester
in reply to blakemiller • • •I can understand your point until you get to the “there is no other platform like TikTok”. You lose me there.
Hopefully this little outage scare helps you to diversify!
kaknife
in reply to locuester • • •Honestly, there isn't another platform that isn't a step down. The algorithm that drives the For You Page is leaps and bounds ahead of Instagram and YouTube.
The best analogy I can give is if Linux was banned for personal use in the US. Sure, you could use Windows or macOS; the later is even Unix based! However, it would be a downgrade for Linux users. Even something like FreeBSD wouldn't be a seemless transition, and the communities that were built would take time to recover.
PlexSheep
in reply to kaknife • • •Engywook
in reply to blakemiller • • •AtariDump
in reply to blakemiller • • •Edit: I see the influencers are on Lemmy since TT is going away and they are salty.
john89
in reply to AtariDump • • •Eh. Most of these people are already wealthy from their parents and were just using their wealth to make more wealth by showcasing how wealthy they are to those who will never be wealthy.
Living vicariously is a plague. I think less of anyone who does it.
ayyy
in reply to blakemiller • • •reddig33
in reply to ubergeek • • •shameless
in reply to reddig33 • • •Idk, I went on there earlier and watched some of the live interactions, there does seem to be a large amount of English speaking people who are messaging the live creators and the creators are responding in their best possible English.
It's actually quite nice to see two different cultures coming together.
But I'm sure that if they wall off the rest of China to the US users the app will lose its shine and people will move on somewhere else.
john89
in reply to reddig33 • • •mrfriki
in reply to ubergeek • • •like this
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sunzu2
in reply to ubergeek • • •474D
in reply to ubergeek • • •Optional
in reply to ubergeek • • •Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeetthefuckouttahere!
DragonTypeWyvern
in reply to Optional • • •jonne
in reply to Optional • • •frayedpickles
in reply to Optional • • •Ben Matthews
in reply to ubergeek • • •A wee quote from the author of the original little red book ...:
"the two slogans -- let a hundred flowers blossom and let a hundred schools of thought contend -- have no class character; the proletariat can turn them to account, and so can the bourgeoisie or others. Different classes, strata and social groups each have their own views on what are fragrant flowers and what are poisonous weeds".
Seemed a good idea at the time (1957?), remember how that trick evolved thereafter ...?
seven_phone
in reply to ubergeek • • •like this
TVA likes this.
Godric
in reply to ubergeek • • •Lol. Lmao, even.
Jk, my real thoughts is: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Etterra
in reply to ubergeek • • •Captain Howdy
in reply to ubergeek • • •GreenKnight23
in reply to Captain Howdy • • •john89
in reply to GreenKnight23 • • •Maybe this whole blogpost is just commenting on what random people said on reddit.
Oh look, that's exactly what it is.
rasakaf679
in reply to ubergeek • • •archomrade [he/him]
in reply to ubergeek • • •Ah, that trustworthy and unbiased group of China experts that are Redditors
Two sentences before this they were explaining quite clearly why chinese users might actually be bothered by the flood of american users and why they might want the ability to filter by IP region, but because some redditors speculated that the SeeSeePee doesn't want the Americans to spread their freedom-loving germs to their country then that must be why they'd do it, if that rumor were to be proven true
ඞmir
in reply to archomrade [he/him] • • •john89
in reply to ඞmir • • •_cryptagion [he/him]
in reply to ubergeek • • •"may"
😂
FolknForage
in reply to ubergeek • • •Wait - so this is the CCP directly censoring a whole worldview from its citizens.
But I was told on several lemmy threads that the CCP lets their users consume any content, and all the censorship is American propaganda to make the great leader look bad.
Communist
in reply to FolknForage • • •ayyy
in reply to FolknForage • • •frayedpickles
in reply to ayyy • • •Yeah sure it's right here in the thread you're in
arstechnica.com/tech-policy/20…
RedNote may wall off “TikTok refugees” to prevent US influence on Chinese users
Ashley Belanger (Ars Technica)ayyy
in reply to frayedpickles • • •The source of this article is “Some Reddit users have speculated” which is like the polar opposite of evidence soooooo try again.
frayedpickles
in reply to ayyy • • •OBJECTION!
in reply to FolknForage • • •No, this is not the CCP directly censoring a whole worldview from its citizens, this is the CCP directly allowing its citizens to see that worldview while some random author speculates based on nothing but rumors and hearsay that they might change that policy in the future.
But who needs to read past the title if it aligns with your presumptions?
john89
in reply to FolknForage • • •Who is telling you that? I'm not seeing lemmy posts ignoring the great firewall.
kent_eh
in reply to ubergeek • • •surph_ninja
in reply to ubergeek • • •Fridgeratr
in reply to ubergeek • • •Pacattack57
in reply to Fridgeratr • • •Septimaeus
in reply to ubergeek • • •Pika
in reply to Septimaeus • • •Septimaeus
in reply to Pika • • •Pika
in reply to Septimaeus • • •OBJECTION!
in reply to ubergeek • • •jdeath
in reply to OBJECTION! • • •OBJECTION!
in reply to jdeath • • •Ashley Belanger May Be Embezzling Money From Ars Technica
Just a few days after writing an article on Ars Technica about the possibility of foreign users on RedNote being walled off from Chinese users, rumors began swirling on Lemmy that she may soon decide to defraud her employer by transferring company money into her personal bank account.
😝
PumpkinSkink
in reply to ubergeek • • •Pacattack57
in reply to PumpkinSkink • • •Obviously take this with a grain of salt but a spokesperson of China already said they approve of this cultural exchange.
Remember Rednote is approved by the CCP so there was already propaganda on the app and they are using this time to piss off Americans about some of our poor policy choices. Obviously there is not much negative stuff of China on the app.
Gammelfisch
in reply to ubergeek • • •Communist
in reply to Gammelfisch • • •andros_rex
in reply to Gammelfisch • • •Oklahoma revokes license of teacher who staged a book-ban protest
NADIA LATHAN (AP News)NauticalNoodle
in reply to ubergeek • • •GreenKnight23
Unknown parent • • •airportline
in reply to ubergeek • • •Communist
Unknown parent • • •WhatSay
in reply to ubergeek • • •Jin
in reply to ubergeek • • •COASTER1921
in reply to Jin • • •john89
in reply to ubergeek • • •This is fucking stupid.
Our rulers are literally dictating who we can communicate with.
Sentau
in reply to john89 • • •anticunt4444
in reply to ubergeek • • •God that's a dream. I wish Trump would build a virtual wall to protect americans against foreigners opinions.
It would be so peaceful. Imagine a yankless internet. No more spam.
j4yt33
in reply to anticunt4444 • • •john89
Unknown parent • • •The US banning tiktok has little to do with race.
It's about American oligarchs wanting the profits of Chinese oligarchs.
People like you are the lowliest of foot-soldiers in this game.
inclementimmigrant
in reply to ubergeek • • •OmegaLemmy
in reply to ubergeek • • •RedNote is really fun, haha
Also fuck me why do they know more about my country than I do???