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RedNote may wall off “TikTok refugees” to prevent US influence on Chinese users

RedNote may wall off “TikTok refugees” to prevent US influence on Chinese users

Rumors swirl that RedNote may segregate Chinese users as soon as next week.
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Deceptichum

Oh come off it mate. It’s not hard to see where the US has lead the charge in topics such as LGBT+ rights or racial equality, and it wasn’t from Asia or Europe let me tell you that much.

They may have a shit ton of flaws, and have a large part actively trying to undo all their work, but they have still done so much positive.

Look at the timeline for marriage equality for instance, they were right up there with the first wave leading the global surge. That doesn’t happen if you’re full of hatred for them.

They’re a dichotomy of amazing social progressivism and brutal conservatism.

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I didn't say there were no positives from America did I? I didn't rank where America stands in how progressive or conservative America is.

I said America is full of hatred towards Minorities with no comparison to another place.

I am not wrong. There is too much of it.

So "come off" what exactly?

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brucethemoose

Decep is right.

Not from America. America is full of hatred towards minorities.


You're basically implying the bad outweighs the good to the point that it won't give them any ideas.

The bad may be very amplified now, but I think the TikTok crowd in particular and US history skews towards "majority good"

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Hellmo_luciferrari

I didn't imply that. Stating that there is too much hatred of minorities doesn't mean that America fails at everything. That is a stretch. Me pointing out that America has a lot of hatred towards minorities isn't a reflection of everything America does as a whole is inherently bad.

I didn't say that America can't have a good influence on another country. America isn't one to look to especially now for how minorities are treated.

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Jo Miran

I said America is full of hatred towards Minorities with no comparison to another place. I am not wrong.


But you are wrong. The US doesn't hate its minorities in general. The US hates the poor in specific.

  • ~~Gay~~ billionaire
  • ~~Black~~ billionaire
  • ~~Hispanic~~ billionaire
  • ~~Muslim~~ billionaire
  • ~~Female~~ billionaire

The same goes if you replace "billionaire" with "poor". If you are rich, you are welcome. That's your only qualifier. If you are poor, you are trash. That is your only qualifier.

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Hellmo_luciferrari

When I say America I mean the people of America. There are large numbers of folks, regardless of why they do, hate minorities.

I didn't say the wealthy "elite" weren't the cause of a lot of the divide. They absolutely are. No such thing as an ethical billionaire.

I'm not disagreeing with you on the fact that your financial status isn't what really separates us. What I am saying is there is still too much hate towards minorities. That doesn't change that the wealthy are a problem.

You're taking two separate ideas and merging them into one "truth."

They ate two separate topics. Just because the wealthy are guilty of the bad they are doing doesn't take away the fact that there is too much hate towards minorities in America from the people that live here.

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I don't think that's entirely true and Thiel will learn that lesson sooner or later. Arguably already has as he was rumored to have been pissed about all the anti-trans rhetoric and throttled spending, which is why Elon had to step up and shell out.

Now Musk is in the driver seat with a grudge he hasn't paid back from PayPal and Thiel's in danger of finding out after fucking around.

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NotSteve_

This timeline? Where the US is nearly the last of any western nation to legalise gay marriage?

And isn't your country actively trying to work back any progress you've had in the last decade? Trans rights, queer rights, women's rights, minority rights.

Also isn't it Americans who are pushing the most for anti-LGBT legislation in African countries?

Canada is falling down the same hill when it comes to trans rights, and it hurts me, but I'm not out here saying that Canada is any sort of leader in the field. I recognise the issues my country has and I'm going to fight to fix them.

Knock off the American exceptionalism for one second and deal with the problems your country has

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Deceptichum

Mahatey, it’s not my fucking country or American exceptionalism because I’m not American eh?

This timeline:

And you’re a fucking idiot if you don’t think Canada is not one of the best places in the world for rights. Go take a holiday to 90% of the world and let me know how they treat women or queers.

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NotSteve_

Didn't realise you weren't American, sorry for assuming. Admittedly I'm very jaded right now (and a bit drunk) with all the threats of invasion and with Americans either laughing it off or being all for it (and I recognise that's not all Americans but it's enough). Like, "haha, Canada will turn the USA blue!"

And fine, yeah Canada is pretty up there for LGBT rights, but when one of the main platform points (imported from the USA!) from the Conservatives right now seems to be just straight up attacking trans people, it makes me pretty worried. I have multiple family members and a few friends who are trans or non binary and the rhetoric is scary.

But TL;DR, not angry at you, just America(ns). I apologise to the good Americans, but your country is exporting a lot of bullshit right now. More than usual

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joyhunter

Lmao, way to go, I'm not even Mexican. You said the US was leading the charge and included racism, that's a silly statement, so I pointed out the absurdity of it.

Mexico is culturally western, but not white, ergo, not politically western. And Australia, you're British diaspora from a country constantly attacking the aboriginals through even their votes. While Mexico can be lacking, they're the ones with a female president and abortion rights, so again, the americans leading the charge is a humorous statement.

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Eldritch

You singled it out. Which was incorrect. Hatred of minorities is common in every culture on every continent of the Earth. It's a basic human nature thing. And America isn't special in that respect. Hell when you get into large monocultures like China Etc the racism and hatred of minorities gets even more extreme and specific. In fact a lot of those hatreds have been imported from all over. The Koreans hatred of the japanese. The Japanese is hatred of the Chinese and vice versa. Various Indian sects hatred of each other. And the colorful bigotry of Europe and the Mediterranean. But one thing it is also produced here in America that is a little less common than elsewhere. Are people that actually are much more tolerant and supportive of minorities. Unfortunately they're not the ones in control but they do exist.
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Hellmo_luciferrari

Singling out a problem that exists in a country I am very familiar with is a non problem. I didn't state it was special to America. I didn't speak on any other nation and their hatred of minorities. I didn't even state anything about it being part of "human nature."

I spoke on being familiar with the fact that it is a problem in America.

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ReallyActuallyFrankenstein

I had a few dates with an asian woman in the US who called herself only half-sarcastically a "Twinkie," which the Internet told me was yellow on the outside and white on the inside. I laughed to be polite not knowing what she meant, but when I learned it made me feel racist by proxy.
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DragonTypeWyvern

God, shut up nerd, like your red fascist bullshit and their one party elections were or are better. Do you want to hear that it's a flawed system? It is. All states are and should be abolished.

Still a type of democracy, and still more democratic than anything Russia or China have ever managed.

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queermunist she/her

It's democracy when only white men are allowed to choose representatives? What?

It's settler-colonialism. Fascism. Where was the democracy for the Natives? Or the slaves? The original system has had many democratic reforms, but denying its roots as fundamentally undemocratic is historical revisionism and blinds you to the US's flaws. You'll never fix this country's problems if you can't even recognize this.

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queermunist she/her

It can always be worse! How come you can acknowledge that it's shit, but you can't acknowledge that it's fundamentally undemocratic? Where's the disconnect here? The US was not founded as a democracy, it was founded as a white supremacist settler-colony. Today it's had many democratic reforms, and that's good! But we have to acknowledge these root problems.

Has it had enough reforms to be called a democracy? Trump got less than 50% of the vote and he's been elected twice!

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queermunist she/her

Imagine an alternative USA where every single state was gerrymandered to hell by whoever won, where electors were routinely bribed by opposition parties to vote against their states results, where people were bullied at the polls or where minorities were entirely disenfranchised. That would be a worse place than our USA, but by your definition both would be the same.


Okay. Now imagine an alternative USA where only a small selection of royal families are allowed to vote and electors are aristocrats chosen by birth and court intrigue. By your definition this hypothetical is also a democracy, even if it's an awful very very bad one. You have nuanced away the meaning of the word entirely.

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scratchee

Yes, great example. That would indeed be stretching the definition to breaking point. The fuzzy logic approach would be that you’ve described a 99% monarchy with 1% democracy.

Personally I’d put the US as a 60% democracy with a 40% oligopoly. The UK is similar since on the one hand we have more than 2 parties and are slightly better at avoiding gerrymandering and voter suppression, but on the other hand we have the silly rules for the House of Lords, and weaker freedom of speech (I don’t mind the theory of banning violent extremist speech, but I don’t like the application we’ve got at the moment, it prevents too much speech that isn’t unreasonable, free speech would be better).

Based on what you’ve said, I’m
Sure you’d put it lower, but I don’t think you can justify putting 1% when it’s so easy to find worse countries even in the real world, that are still on the democracy spectrum.

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queermunist she/her

Why are you applying this fuzzy logic to democracy when democracy, itself, does not? If one candidate gets 49% of the vote and the other gets 51% of the vote then the candidate with the most votes wins. Nothing fuzzy about it. If we apply liberal democracy's logic to itself then a country that isn't at least 50% democratic can not be called a democracy.
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scratchee

Because democracy is not the best way to solve every problem.

The messy job of squeezing entire countries into a handful of words is fraught enough without throwing away up to half of the information.

As a more amusing answer: Dictatorships throw away 99.9% of the opinions, so should we let one arsehole decide which countries are called a dictatorship?

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queermunist she/her

I only said to apply the logic of liberal democracy to itself, not to apply it to all countries.

I think your insistence on using a fuzzy spectrum to define concrete terms results in words not meaning anything at all. The
"99% monarchy 1% democracy" gets to call itself a democracy by your fuzzy logic because it has democratic elements. That's clearly not a good heuristic. There must be a point where the antidemocratic elements in a society disqualify it from being a democracy.

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scratchee

No, but I will acknowledge where some democratic elements exist within even the DPRK, though they’re very thin and weak.

There are other forms of government that are a better match for describing the DPRK. One party dictatorship, for example.

If you want to apply the same logic to the US, calling it simply an oligarchy rings hollow, though there’s a stronger argument than DPRK+democracy I’ll admit.
It’s a democracy with flaws, but those flaws are smaller than the democratic elements they weaken, so it still gets to be called a democracy.

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JiveTurkey

Roughly 50.1% but that's still assuming none of these people would've switched to trump and this is how US elections work. Based on how things work Donald won the popular vote with less than 50%. I'm not saying it's the best way but it's also not like we suddenly switched up the rules. I assure you that I'm just as mad as you are about the system we have but when I look around no one honestly wants to do anything but complain about the way things are instead of being the change they expect to see. A president isn't going to fix our problems. If people cared more about taking back the power and less about consuming we might see some real change. The only thing that matters in this country is money and despite all the complaints we just can't seem to stop giving the ass holes running the show more of our money in one form or another.
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queermunist she/her

Roughly 50.1% but that’s still assuming none of these people would’ve switched to trump


That's not assuming none switched to Trump, merely that most switched to Harris. I think having such a close runoff race would also be likely to change how people voted more broadly. Turnout would be through the roof if everyone felt like their one vote would be the one that swung the election. It's really hard to say what the results would have been.

And we'll never know because this shithole country doesn't do runoff elections.

and this is how US elections work


Yes, and it's bad. I'm saying the way US elections work is undemocratic. They are designed from the ground-up to favor the ruling class and suppress the will of the People. They are meant to be undemocratic. This was all intentional.

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john89

It's not really an 'addiction.' It's a culture.

People don't value things that take time or effort anymore. All they want is their instant-gratification to forget about their shitty lives a little bit longer. Short-form video and posts provide this for them.

It's all according to plan to keep people apathetic until the day they die. That way, they never fight back against the people pulling their strings.

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blakemiller

I find takes like this unfortunate. I learned SO much on TikTok. Accounts like gatenerd, jerrythink, kellyscleankitchen, softpourn, publicopinion, hankgreen, alexisanddean, thelawsayswhat, kylascan, and countless interior designers, architects, chefs, and all the others I can’t recall.

There is no other platform like TikTok where you can get drawn in not just in minutes watched, but in knowledge gained. Wish you shared my experience.

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kaknife

Honestly, there isn't another platform that isn't a step down. The algorithm that drives the For You Page is leaps and bounds ahead of Instagram and YouTube.

The best analogy I can give is if Linux was banned for personal use in the US. Sure, you could use Windows or macOS; the later is even Unix based! However, it would be a downgrade for Linux users. Even something like FreeBSD wouldn't be a seemless transition, and the communities that were built would take time to recover.

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shameless

Idk, I went on there earlier and watched some of the live interactions, there does seem to be a large amount of English speaking people who are messaging the live creators and the creators are responding in their best possible English.

It's actually quite nice to see two different cultures coming together.

But I'm sure that if they wall off the rest of China to the US users the app will lose its shine and people will move on somewhere else.

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RedNote's Chinese name, Xiaohongshu, literally translates to "Little Red Book," which seems like a direct reference to a book of quotes from Chinese communist leader Mao Tse-tung. But The Washington Post reported that the app is designed to be apolitical and its co-founder, Mao, maintains that the name instead pays "homage to the colors of his college," Stanford Business School, and his former employer, Bain Capital.


Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeetthefuckouttahere!

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Ben Matthews

A wee quote from the author of the original little red book ...:
"the two slogans -- let a hundred flowers blossom and let a hundred schools of thought contend -- have no class character; the proletariat can turn them to account, and so can the bourgeoisie or others. Different classes, strata and social groups each have their own views on what are fragrant flowers and what are poisonous weeds".

Seemed a good idea at the time (1957?), remember how that trick evolved thereafter ...?

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littlewonder

You know, the news about Chinese and American users comparing their worldviews seemed weird to me because it reads like this is the first time Chinese and American users have interacted and had the chance to talk "candidly".

My first thought was, "Why the fuck is this news? It's not like Chinese users can't interact on American platfor---"

...oh. Right. The great firewall.

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There has been no official announcement that such a change is coming, but Reddit commenters speculated that possibly the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) was requiring a change to stop American TikTokers from using the app to influence Chinese citizens.


Ah, that trustworthy and unbiased group of China experts that are Redditors

Two sentences before this they were explaining quite clearly why chinese users might actually be bothered by the flood of american users and why they might want the ability to filter by IP region, but because some redditors speculated that the SeeSeePee doesn't want the Americans to spread their freedom-loving germs to their country then that must be why they'd do it, if that rumor were to be proven true

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OBJECTION!

No, this is not the CCP directly censoring a whole worldview from its citizens, this is the CCP directly allowing its citizens to see that worldview while some random author speculates based on nothing but rumors and hearsay that they might change that policy in the future.

But who needs to read past the title if it aligns with your presumptions?

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ayyy

The source of this article is “Some Reddit users have speculated” which is like the polar opposite of evidence soooooo try again.

There has been no official announcement that such a change is coming, but Reddit commenters speculated that possibly the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) was requiring a change to stop American TikTokers from using the app to influence Chinese citizens.
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Septimaeus

Most of my lab mates are Chinese and I joined WeChat because it was what they all used. Everything was fine except my account kept getting banned for no reason. I had assumed it might be because I accidentally turned on a VPN, but ultimately I concluded it was because they didn’t want the intermingling of Chinese and American accounts, which was literally the only reason I was there in the first place.
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OBJECTION!

Ashley Belanger May Be Embezzling Money From Ars Technica

Just a few days after writing an article on Ars Technica about the possibility of foreign users on RedNote being walled off from Chinese users, rumors began swirling on Lemmy that she may soon decide to defraud her employer by transferring company money into her personal bank account.

😝

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Pacattack57

Obviously take this with a grain of salt but a spokesperson of China already said they approve of this cultural exchange.

Remember Rednote is approved by the CCP so there was already propaganda on the app and they are using this time to piss off Americans about some of our poor policy choices. Obviously there is not much negative stuff of China on the app.

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andros_rex

The United States, being the bastion of free speech it is, has absolutely no censorship of its history.

Oklahoma revokes license of teacher who staged a book-ban protest

A former public high school teacher in Oklahoma had her teaching license revoked by the State Board of Education Thursday for providing students a link to a list of banned books posted online two years prior.
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