The vast majority of Zionists are Christian Evangelicals from the US.
That's not true; Europe has pretty sizeable numbers too, and supposed liberal Zionists exist all over the West in large numbers. Screw them all, but let's not pretend Zionists only have sway with one religious group.
Exactly, many Nazis also find the idea of sending jews to the desert to be a preferable way of "dealing" with them. Fascists supporting fascists I suppose.
Come on, lets be historically factual here-- No one "sent the jews to the desert". After WW2 many areas were floated for a potential jewish state. Look at the map here: reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/…
with the obvious concern that putting a state in a territory thats already inhabitted would be a problem to say the least. But no, the zionists insisted it be created in the already inhabited ancient judean lands (from a country that disappeared more than 2500 years ago), and didnt care that itd mean ethnic cleansing of the owners of the land at the time-- and the idiot british backed their play. Hence the nakba, which never ended, and here we are today, still trying to settle that question that was so ridiculously poorly administrated 80 years ago. The world would be a better place now if that choice had been better handled. This started because of an epic political failure, informed by a recent genocide of the time
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Come on, lets be historically factual here-- No one "sent the jews to the desert". After WW2 many areas were floated for a potential jewish state. Look at the map here: reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/…
with the obvious concern that putting a state in a territory thats already inhabitted would be a problem to say the least. But no, the zionists insisted it be created in the already inhabited ancient judean lands (from a country that disappeared more than 2500 years ago), and didnt care that itd mean ethnic cleansing of the owners of the land at the time-- and the idiot british backed their play. Hence the nakba, which never ended, and here we are today, still trying to settle that question that was so ridiculously poorly administrated 80 years ago. The world would be a better place now if that choice had been better handled. This started because of an epic political failure, informed by a recent genocide of the time and the victors of WW2 feeling like they could dictate whatever they wanted to the "vanquished". This is not just a failure of zionism, it was an epic failure of the allies after WW2 to have any standards or forward looking thinking at all. People dont say this often, but some of that generation were just as much short sighted c*nts as we are today, and not "the greatest generation" ..at all. We are still cleaning up that effing mess today with no end in sight.
Zionists really don't like this but it is true. By calling everyone who doesn't agree with you an "antisemite" to strike fear and/or silence them, it is bleaching the word and taking away its meaning and less people will recognize or respect the word for its real meaning. It's not good.
I think zionists overestimate the degree to which people care about them at all. As long as you dont cause trouble in western society (and you have white skin), no one gives a crap about you unless you are a visible underclass. Why should they?
Zionism is often defined as the belief that the state of Israel should exist. Zionists tend to have strong anti-Palestinian sentiments and support atrocities against them.
Zionism is a political movement whichs objects have changed over the course of its 150 years existence. Most early Zionists, even the vile ones who embraced ethnic cleansing as crucial to obtain "their" state had their goals fulfilled in 1948. Ever since then the movement kept radicalizing to keep justifying more ethnic cleansing, land stealing, genocide and assorted crimes that come with being an expansionist imperial ideology.
Most early Zionists, even the vile ones who embraced ethnic cleansing as crucial to obtain "their" state had their goals fulfilled in 1948.
Yeah... no. Ben Gurion is on record saying "we should accept partition as an intermediary step towards Jewish conquest of all of Palestine" multiple times. Zionism has always been like this; Zionists have simply deluded themselves and everyone else into thinking early Zionism wasn't exactly the same stuff as modern Zionism, just with better PR and more democracy for the master race. The reason Zionists didn't conquer and ethnically cleanse all of Palestine is Arab intervention to stop exactly that from happening.
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I only came around to see it a few days ago. How do these people not realize the insanity of it all? Going to an university event and fake crying on stage how you would feel threatened on campus by a motion for the university to stop investing in weapons manufacturers because your handlers told you to do it. Events where you kept being told to go to the army is the greatest way you could serve your people...
No matter what is going on in the world. My security in a place simply does not depend on that place having investments in my favorite weapons manufacturers. If that was the case for any human anywhere in the world that human would never be able to leave his home. Which in the case of American Zionists would be a good thing. Stay at home in Michigan, Ohio or wherever you life and don't go stealing other peoples homes halfway across the globe. Or go wherever you want in the world as long as you buy or rent from the legitimate owner.
In my final years on the right, I've read a Hungarian blog post titled "Unpopular opinion: the answer to the Jewish question is Israel", and it not only begun with the worst "I'm not antisemitic, some great people were Jewish, but" (except multiple paragraphs), but also talked about how Jewish people are unfit to "live alongside with non-Jews", and that the solution to all of it to let Israel have all of Palestine and maybe some other smaller Arabic countries as their population can just live in other countries like Saudi-Arabia (the same blog also regularly whined about the Treaty of Trianon, so...), and then the "peaceful deportations" can begin.
It makes sense that racists who think humanity should be divided along racial lines would be broadly in agreement with each other, even when they are on different sides of those lines. It's up to the rest of us to see through the lie that those divisions are the actual sides, when of course there is also pro-ethnostate and anti-ethnostate.
Of course antisemitism doesn't always have to be antizionist. But I'd maintain that antizionism is always antisemitic. When other countries commit horrific and disgusting acts, they are criticised, but their existence is in no way or form questioned like the existence of Israel is. So no, it's not "antizionism = antisemitism", but it is "antizionism ∈ antisemitism"
Thats because for the most part counties that committed horrific acts (ex: Germany, UK, China, France, etc) are well established countries or (ex: US, Canada, Australia) have had colonial rule for so long they've become established. Meanwhile if you compare Israel to other settler colonial counties like Rhodesia you'll find that they collapsed the second apartheid rule ended.
What world are you living in? People regularly wish for the collapse of USA due to it's unhinged level of capitalism ruining workers' lives. People regularly wish for the fall of Russia because of Putin's dictatorship and invasion of Ukraine. People regularly wish for the fall of China, either because they believe that Chinese gov't commits atrocities or simply because they are simps of capitalism and wish for anything even remotely communist to fail.
I haven't studied it too deeply, but I've seen conflicting reports on that. There are definitely some human rights violations, but I'm not confident it's to the level of being called "atrocities" or "a genocide".
Yeah, I have no problem with any people in general. But I've got lots and lots of problems with Jews, Muslims, Russians, Belgians, the Swiss, Kenyans, brunettes, Inuits or anyone else when they decide to invade countries for the purposes of removing their people and moving in their own.
I've been neutral on the entire thing from the beginning. BOTH sides have had a long, well-known, widely acknowledged policy of total genocide of the other side, down to every last man, woman, and child. If the Muslims thought they could get away with it, they'd level Israel and kill every single citizen in a weekend.
On the other hand, the Israelis feel exactly the same way toward the Muslims, and are proving it with their enthusiastic, unrelenting genocide of the Palestinians.
BOTH sides are disgusting and reprehensible, and I don't support either. I'm not anti-semitic, I'm anti-genocide.
Wow, typical both sides argument you hear from Zionists. Sorry sweetie, I don't listen to Zionist apologists since they're always liars or disingenuous in some way.
Inexcusable? War of religions? My man, you have an entirely wrong, oversimplified view of events and takes on it. Do you understand Israel is a Western colonial project founded by the English and French a loooong time ago that has, since its conception, been nothing but murderous? It's given the locals the easy choice of leaving or dying, so any anti-Israeli force are just resistance fighters against an ongoing occupation. I mean, for God's sake, Israelis are nothing but a mix/groups of Eastern Europeans and Germanics, easily visible but also evidenced in their last names! Netanyahu's actual last name before he changed it is Mileikowsky, for instance, but that's a better sounding last name for the optics of invasion, right?
Ask yourself this question: should they simply lower their heads and submit by leaving their homes and letting the Godless, amoral colonizer finally win it all? What about the murder and willing sacrifice of their forefathers, siblings and descendants? What would you do, if your country was invaded by a group of violent savages? What's the moral thing to
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Inexcusable? War of religions? My man, you have an entirely wrong, oversimplified view of events and takes on it. Do you understand Israel is a Western colonial project founded by the English and French a loooong time ago that has, since its conception, been nothing but murderous? It's given the locals the easy choice of leaving or dying, so any anti-Israeli force are just resistance fighters against an ongoing occupation. I mean, for God's sake, Israelis are nothing but a mix/groups of Eastern Europeans and Germanics, easily visible but also evidenced in their last names! Netanyahu's actual last name before he changed it is Mileikowsky, for instance, but that's a better sounding last name for the optics of invasion, right?
Ask yourself this question: should they simply lower their heads and submit by leaving their homes and letting the Godless, amoral colonizer finally win it all? What about the murder and willing sacrifice of their forefathers, siblings and descendants? What would you do, if your country was invaded by a group of violent savages? What's the moral thing to do here, to be on the side of the oppressed until they vanquish the oppressors or to be on the side of the oppressor because, well, idk, they look like me and Muslims are scary? C'mon man.
Colonizers are not "civilians." Furthermore, every adult participates in the IDF and its crimes, completely obliterating the idea they are "civilians."
The comment you agreed with also stated all muslims are equally guilty of genocide, not just hamas. As others have stated things are complicated and comparing the actions of a colonial occupation to the actions of desperate people being actively killed off and that have no allies but extremists is dishonest or ignorant.
You don't seems to comprehend basic concepts like deductive inference. I read your comments in the moodlog. You say that you are neutral but you can't be beutral towards genocide and colonization. This is like someone living during nat turner saying both slave owners and slaves did terrible stuffs to each other so everybody should be neutral about slavery.
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in reply to HappyFrog • • •It's worth pointing out that the reasons they support Israel as an ethnostate are largely two-fold
Zionism has a long history of antisemitism despite the apparent contradiction.
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in reply to HappyFrog • • •Come on, lets be historically factual here-- No one "sent the jews to the desert". After WW2 many areas were floated for a potential jewish state. Look at the map here:
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with the obvious concern that putting a state in a territory thats already inhabitted would be a problem to say the least. But no, the zionists insisted it be created in the already inhabited ancient judean lands (from a country that disappeared more than 2500 years ago), and didnt care that itd mean ethnic cleansing of the owners of the land at the time-- and the idiot british backed their play. Hence the nakba, which never ended, and here we are today, still trying to settle that question that was so ridiculously poorly administrated 80 years ago. The world would be a better place now if that choice had been better handled. This started because of an epic political failure, informed by a recent genocide of the time
... Show more...Come on, lets be historically factual here-- No one "sent the jews to the desert". After WW2 many areas were floated for a potential jewish state. Look at the map here:
reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/…
with the obvious concern that putting a state in a territory thats already inhabitted would be a problem to say the least. But no, the zionists insisted it be created in the already inhabited ancient judean lands (from a country that disappeared more than 2500 years ago), and didnt care that itd mean ethnic cleansing of the owners of the land at the time-- and the idiot british backed their play. Hence the nakba, which never ended, and here we are today, still trying to settle that question that was so ridiculously poorly administrated 80 years ago. The world would be a better place now if that choice had been better handled. This started because of an epic political failure, informed by a recent genocide of the time and the victors of WW2 feeling like they could dictate whatever they wanted to the "vanquished". This is not just a failure of zionism, it was an epic failure of the allies after WW2 to have any standards or forward looking thinking at all. People dont say this often, but some of that generation were just as much short sighted c*nts as we are today, and not "the greatest generation" ..at all. We are still cleaning up that effing mess today with no end in sight.
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in reply to Saleh • • •Yeah... no. Ben Gurion is on record saying "we should accept partition as an intermediary step towards Jewish conquest of all of Palestine" multiple times. Zionism has always been like this; Zionists have simply deluded themselves and everyone else into thinking early Zionism wasn't exactly the same stuff as modern Zionism, just with better PR and more democracy for the master race. The reason Zionists didn't conquer and ethnically cleanse all of Palestine is Arab intervention to stop exactly that from happening.
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in reply to unexposedhazard • • •I only came around to see it a few days ago. How do these people not realize the insanity of it all? Going to an university event and fake crying on stage how you would feel threatened on campus by a motion for the university to stop investing in weapons manufacturers because your handlers told you to do it. Events where you kept being told to go to the army is the greatest way you could serve your people...
No matter what is going on in the world. My security in a place simply does not depend on that place having investments in my favorite weapons manufacturers. If that was the case for any human anywhere in the world that human would never be able to leave his home. Which in the case of American Zionists would be a good thing. Stay at home in Michigan, Ohio or wherever you life and don't go stealing other peoples homes halfway across the globe. Or go wherever you want in the world as long as you buy or rent from the legitimate owner.
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in reply to Mystic Mushroom [Ze/Zir] • • •As a Jewish person I have personally experienced more antisemitism and general hate from zionists than any antizionist
ANTIZIONISM =/= ANTISEMITISM
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Never let a zionist lie to you that it was ever consensus among Jews to relocate to a new ghetto.
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in reply to Mystic Mushroom [Ze/Zir] • • •I've been neutral on the entire thing from the beginning. BOTH sides have had a long, well-known, widely acknowledged policy of total genocide of the other side, down to every last man, woman, and child. If the Muslims thought they could get away with it, they'd level Israel and kill every single citizen in a weekend.
On the other hand, the Israelis feel exactly the same way toward the Muslims, and are proving it with their enthusiastic, unrelenting genocide of the Palestinians.
BOTH sides are disgusting and reprehensible, and I don't support either. I'm not anti-semitic, I'm anti-genocide.
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Unknown parent • • •Inexcusable? War of religions? My man, you have an entirely wrong, oversimplified view of events and takes on it. Do you understand Israel is a Western colonial project founded by the English and French a loooong time ago that has, since its conception, been nothing but murderous? It's given the locals the easy choice of leaving or dying, so any anti-Israeli force are just resistance fighters against an ongoing occupation. I mean, for God's sake, Israelis are nothing but a mix/groups of Eastern Europeans and Germanics, easily visible but also evidenced in their last names! Netanyahu's actual last name before he changed it is Mileikowsky, for instance, but that's a better sounding last name for the optics of invasion, right?
Ask yourself this question: should they simply lower their heads and submit by leaving their homes and letting the Godless, amoral colonizer finally win it all? What about the murder and willing sacrifice of their forefathers, siblings and descendants? What would you do, if your country was invaded by a group of violent savages? What's the moral thing to
... Show more...Inexcusable? War of religions? My man, you have an entirely wrong, oversimplified view of events and takes on it. Do you understand Israel is a Western colonial project founded by the English and French a loooong time ago that has, since its conception, been nothing but murderous? It's given the locals the easy choice of leaving or dying, so any anti-Israeli force are just resistance fighters against an ongoing occupation. I mean, for God's sake, Israelis are nothing but a mix/groups of Eastern Europeans and Germanics, easily visible but also evidenced in their last names! Netanyahu's actual last name before he changed it is Mileikowsky, for instance, but that's a better sounding last name for the optics of invasion, right?
Ask yourself this question: should they simply lower their heads and submit by leaving their homes and letting the Godless, amoral colonizer finally win it all? What about the murder and willing sacrifice of their forefathers, siblings and descendants? What would you do, if your country was invaded by a group of violent savages? What's the moral thing to do here, to be on the side of the oppressed until they vanquish the oppressors or to be on the side of the oppressor because, well, idk, they look like me and Muslims are scary? C'mon man.
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