Undemocratic and from above as always, this is managerial humor of 5th grade level.
The simplest problem for those having it, the simplest problem for those defining it, and those who have/gain the authority to solve it, are all different.
When managerial stuff meet to solve a problem they/themselves defined, their interests are not to solve the problem but to gain the authority (jurisdiction) among others on who is best fit to solve it, therefore competing by individual interests to convince those with authority to delegate such authority to them. So the simple may become infinitely complex when the rest are not backing off and letting the "winner" undertake the task, who in reality will delegate tasks to inferiors to actually solve it.
So this joke really is on hierarchical authoritarian structures and how removed they are from the actual/physical world and the problem solution process.
If a community would meet to solve their simple problem of plumbing, irrigation, sewage, electric power, the interests of those members is to best solve the problem (themselves solving their own problem), and it is them who will actually do work to solve it, so proposal means also commitment to do work. Then, more complex problems tend to become simpler by discussion, analysis, diagnosis, and mutual decision. Usually those with most skill and experience tend to be most convincing in the debate on how to solve it.
Credentials that a community knows about each other, and rational discussion on material matters. Not bureaucracies issuing and certifying authorities to decide by specialty.
For ministry representatives attacking the problem of social isolation, loneliness, and depression ... a perception can explode into definition of an epidemic, for which institutions, offices, stuff, budgets need to be formed abd allocated.
When all it would take is to hang the bosses high and dry! Simple really, and FUN!
About that One Dimension @yianiris, via Fidel, at an early 1960s OLAS conference, embedded in #AbbieHoffman's first book. Marcuse tried to drag #MarxISTS (a suffix, like 'ism', meaning 'something like', or attempting to be) kicking and screaming into, at least, the 20th century. They still hate him for it.
Today is an auspicious day in history. On this day in 1991 the #EZLN, better known to Americans as the #Zapatistas, made their presence known to the world. Zack de la Rocha and #RageAgainstTheMachine, from The Battle Of Mexico City have a few words, and music, for the occasion.
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Undemocratic and from above as always, this is managerial humor of 5th grade level.
The simplest problem for those having it, the simplest problem for those defining it, and those who have/gain the authority to solve it, are all different.
When managerial stuff meet to solve a problem they/themselves defined, their interests are not to solve the problem but to gain the authority (jurisdiction) among others on who is best fit to solve it, therefore competing by individual interests to convince those with authority to delegate such authority to them. So the simple may become infinitely complex when the rest are not backing off and letting the "winner" undertake the task, who in reality will delegate tasks to inferiors to actually solve it.
So this joke really is on hierarchical authoritarian structures and how removed they are from the actual/physical world and the problem solution process.
If a community would meet to solve their simple problem of plumbing, irrigation, sewage, electric power, the interests of those members is to best solve the problem (themselves solving their own problem), and it is them who will actually do work to solve it, so proposal means also commitment to do work. Then, more complex problems tend to become simpler by discussion, analysis, diagnosis, and mutual decision. Usually those with most skill and experience tend to be most convincing in the debate on how to solve it.
Credentials that a community knows about each other, and rational discussion on material matters. Not bureaucracies issuing and certifying authorities to decide by specialty.
For ministry representatives attacking the problem of social isolation, loneliness, and depression ... a perception can explode into definition of an epidemic, for which institutions, offices, stuff, budgets need to be formed abd allocated.
When all it would take is to hang the bosses high and dry! Simple really, and FUN!
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#libertarian #communism #socialism #vanguardism
#one dimensional marxists
#communalism
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in reply to yianiris • • •About that One Dimension @yianiris, via Fidel, at an early 1960s OLAS conference, embedded in #AbbieHoffman's first book. Marcuse tried to drag #MarxISTS (a suffix, like 'ism', meaning 'something like', or attempting to be) kicking and screaming into, at least, the 20th century. They still hate him for it.
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