Someone has produced these stickers and been putting them on Israeli produce (like hummus) in the UK. Depressingly needed genius.
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in reply to Stevez • • •Tom Ritchford
in reply to Stevez • • •@theron29
18,000 children dead in this war and now an engineered famine, which is a war crime.
> Feel free to block me now
Aren't you too old to be a troll?
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in reply to Tom Ritchford • • •@TomSwirly You misunderstand...
1. This is not a try to justify Israeli genocide.
I'm just trying to scratch my extremely frustrating itch of nobody pointing a finger to the real problem: Hamas...
Noone else dares to do it, so here I am pointing out the (for me) obvious...
2. I'm still waiting for others to start whining about the fact it is actually Hamas and their brave hero-soldiers hiding behind all those Palestinians and their civil. infrastructure thus using THEM hostage...
OpticalNail ๐ต๐ธ
in reply to Stevez • • •@theron29
Hamas would not exist without the occupation. If the population there could live normal lives, people would have no reason to act in such extreme ways.
I don't see what Hamas did as blameless, but I can confidently put most/all the blame on Israel's actions in the past decades and believe that things could be solved, partially at least, by letting people live their own lives.
@TomSwirly @ideogram
Billiglarper
in reply to OpticalNail ๐ต๐ธ • • •@arh @theron29 @TomSwirly
Problem with your argument is that Hamas actually came to power after Israel ended the occupation of Gaza, killing the PA.
And the current war was started by a genocidal attack by Hamas.
So yeah, the role of Hamas in this mess not as negligible as you purport.
Sticking to your logic: Would you fight to keep as much international money out of Gaza as possible because of them? Or might hurting people because of their government be a bad thing?
Tom Ritchford
in reply to Billiglarper • • •@billiglarper @arh @theron29
Yes, Hamas is also bad: Hamas terrorists should also be caught, tried, and jailed, preferably in the same jail with the much more successful and numerous Israeli terrorists.
To kill tens of thousands of civilians and starve a million others *is a war crime*.
I might add that almost all the power lies with Israel in this matter, which is why they are able to inflict casualty rates of twenty to one and higher.
Billiglarper
in reply to Tom Ritchford • • •@TomSwirly @arh @theron29
It's good to see that we agree on something. ๐
But what has this to do with the folks working at Sabra?
Tom Ritchford
in reply to Billiglarper • • •@billiglarper @arh @theron29
> the folks working at Sabra?
I'm kind of more concerned, to be honest, with the 60,000 dead folk in Palestine, the starving child folk, all the hospitals destroyed with folks in them.
Boycotts are a time-proven method for changing public policy.
More, we simply don't have any other method left.
It's not just that the members of the ICC have been personally attacked and had their lives crippled simply for questioning this war.
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Billiglarper
in reply to Tom Ritchford • • •@TomSwirly @arh @theron29
So you think Netanjahu cares about Sabra? Heck, the war in Gaza is costing more and doing more damage to Israeli budget and economy than these stickers ever will.
Which he needs as a big chunk of Israelis are mobilizing against him.
So do such actions help them? Do they weeken Netanjahu? No. If anything, they reinforce the "us vs them" narrative Netanjahu and other nationalists and racists rely on.
Billiglarper
in reply to Billiglarper • • •@TomSwirly @arh @theron29
But thanks for confirming that these actions are not done to achieve something, but to lash out.
What's next? Injecting mercury into Israeli oranges again? Killing Israeli athletes for being Israeli? "No other method left" and so on?
Plus, these actions make folks around the world feel targeted and less safe. If the aim is for folks and capital to stay in Israel or to move there, then such indiscriminate actions are doing a great job! (sarkasm)
Tom Ritchford
in reply to Billiglarper • • •@billiglarper @arh @theron29
Boycotts are a proven method to change public policy. You offer no alternative whatsoever. In fact, you offer nothing except rudeness and poor spelling.
> Injecting mercury into Israeli oranges again? Killing Israeli athletes for being Israeli?
No, poisoning and murder are not in any way equivalent to refusing to buy a product.
Seek therapy.
ideogram
in reply to Billiglarper • • •Let's not forget the $1M+ money that Netanyahu deliberately let in to fund Hamas because he didn't want the PA to have control of all Palestinian territory.
@arh @theron29 @TomSwirly
Billiglarper
in reply to ideogram • • •I don't get what you are trying to say here.
The PA cut the payments to Gaza after Hamas drove Fatah out of Gaza with violence.
Qatar stepped in to pay salaries of civil servants and keep families from starving. In coordination with Israel, with a rather elaborate scheme to make sure the money actually reached the recipients.
Hamas probably "taxed" quite a bit of it. Which is the dilemma when a militarized mafia runs a region. So you would have prefered to let Gazans starve?
ideogram
in reply to Billiglarper • • •@billiglarper
I didn't know some of those details, thank you. However the only reason Hamas exists is because of the multi generational suppression of Palestinian existence.
As someone who has all the personal trauma of being bombed, mortored, and (from a long distance) gun fired at variously by Hezbollah and the IRA both of which who I support their aims if not methods I always wonder about those who don't understand struggle.
Billiglarper
in reply to ideogram • • •Not sure there is ever an only reason for anything. This seems especially true for militant groups.
It's a bit like saying "The only reason IDF exists because of multi generational attemps of Arabs to genozide the Jewish population in Israel and Palestine". It's not leading anywhere.
And in Gaza, Hamas was even more unpopular than Israel. Also a way bigger factor of suppression of Palestinians in Gaza than Israel. Nor was Oct 7 aimed at achieving anything for Palestinians.
Billiglarper
in reply to Billiglarper • • •It was just one big attrocity aimed at hindering the peace process between Israel and other states.
And that's the thing: It's not "one war from 1948 to 2025". It's multiple. There have continously been off-ramps. The question "violence or not" is coming up constantly - and often enough, violence gets chosen. Just like the Israeli government decided on strategic bombing, the invasion of Gaza and on starving the population.
All of these were decisions, none of that was automatic.
Billiglarper
in reply to Billiglarper • • •And no, I won't solve this conflict as an outsider in a few posts. I'm not that arrogant.
But I don't think that lashing out and adding more hate is part of the solution.
Yes, it's utterly frustrating. But I don't think there's much outside leverage for everyday citizens on Hamas or Netanjahu & Co.
In the end it comes down to:
- Putting pressure on governments tointervene against Netanjahu
- Supporting their anti-fascist opposition
- Helping the folks in Gaza as good as possbible
Billiglarper
in reply to Billiglarper • • •ideogram
in reply to Billiglarper • • •I would go with protest, like the massive March that went over Sydney Harbour bridge last Sunday, which has had an effect on the stance of Australia's government. Or smaller protests, like letters and social media to politicians, or idk raising awareness by putting stickers on produce from a country that is committing genocide right now.
Tom Ritchford
in reply to Stevez • • •@theron29
> the real problem: Hamas...
This statement is false.
This conflict started in 1948; Hamas dates from 1987.
Israel and Palestine have been in a war since 1948. And Palestine has steadily lost every single year.
For each casualty that Palestine inflicts, Israel inflicts at least ten. This is official Israeli policy! Now the ratio is 30 to 1 and climbing.
Roughly, for each hostage killed by Hamas, the IDF has killed 10 men, ten women and ten children.
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Tom Ritchford
in reply to Tom Ritchford • • •@theron29 All food, water, electricity, medical supplies, electronics, building materials, books, paper, clothing - all things coming into Gaza are controlled by Israel and now they are using starvation as a weapon, which is a war crime under Protocols I and II of the Geneva convention.
Gaza has been reduced to rubble. Every single hospital has been completely destroyed.
And many senior Likud members have openly stated that genocide is the stated goal.
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Tom Ritchford
in reply to Tom Ritchford • • •@theron29
When you assign 100% blame to Hamas for this situation, what you are saying is this: it's perfectly acceptable to perform massive reprisals on a civilian population in revenge for terrorist attacks by a small number of individuals.
But it isn't. It's a war crime.
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Mogleg
Unknown parent • • •@Shadedlady
You canโt really expect the occupation to exterminate the indigenous people without murdering every single one of them? Thatโs unreasonable! How else can you achieve your goals of genocide and ethnic cleansing to make Lebensraum for the herrenvolk?
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@theron29 @ideogram
H4Heights ๐ช๐บ๐ต๐ธ๐บ๐ฆ๐จ๐ฆ
in reply to ideogram • • •Sarah W
in reply to H4Heights ๐ช๐บ๐ต๐ธ๐บ๐ฆ๐จ๐ฆ • • •Is that legal? Or is it only the packaging where it's obligatory?
H4Heights ๐ช๐บ๐ต๐ธ๐บ๐ฆ๐จ๐ฆ
in reply to Sarah W • • •I doubt its legality too but were anyone to point a finger I think itโd solicit an โOoops, simple mistakeโ.
Sarah W
in reply to H4Heights ๐ช๐บ๐ต๐ธ๐บ๐ฆ๐จ๐ฆ • • •My understanding was that if there's no packaging it was obligatory.
Perhaps someone can report this to trading standards.
Is it happening in more than one store?
H4Heights ๐ช๐บ๐ต๐ธ๐บ๐ฆ๐จ๐ฆ
in reply to Sarah W • • •@Sarahw
Iโve only seen it in the store I use regularly and keep an eye out for further incidents both there and in other of their stores I use.
In due course I can see Starmer making country of origin labelling illegal in order to bamboozle those of us who donโt fancy Chlorination Chicken, Hormone Beef or produce grown on stolen Palestinian land.
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in reply to naph • • •FuncoLand Expat
in reply to naph • • •economic boycott against apartheid South Africa
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in reply to ideogram • • •Same approach as this?
spellingmistakescostlives.com/โฆ
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in reply to ideogram • • •Robyn
in reply to The Yangsi Michael Dillon • • •A close up photo of a tub of Sabre brand hummus. It has a yellow sticker on it with the word reduced in large capitals and a barcode. On closer examination the barcode has a silhouette of ruined buildings along the base of it, and the full text reads
"Israel has reduced Gaza to rubble. This product directly supports Israeli apartheid. Was 1948 Now 2025"
@ideogram
The Yangsi Michael Dillon
in reply to Robyn • • •Thanks!
@ideogram
Robyn
in reply to The Yangsi Michael Dillon • • •Hoping that I described all the bits that were needed. I assumed that all caps text doesn't read well so I did it normally and described the relevant parts as all caps. Was that right?
@ideogram
Sarah W
in reply to Robyn • • •Is there something about the alt text that you cannot read it? Would be useful to know to avoid in future.
Robyn
in reply to Sarah W • • •@Sarahw
To be honest I responded to the request before I noticed that the image had alt text. Now I look at it I feel like the alt text doesn't describe the visual parts well, though I did miss drawing a comparison to the short dated stickers. Using a lone lowercase a instead of describing the barcode seems a bit deficient. I wonder if it was automatically generated and not proof read with care
@anantagd @ideogram
Sarah W
in reply to Robyn • • •I think you're right that it's auto generated but couldn't cope with the barcode.
Your description is better.
ideogram
in reply to Sarah W • • •It wasn't auto-generated, and frankly I expected 20 people max to see this post.
@RedRobyn @anantagd
Sarah W
in reply to ideogram • • •It's a great post and deserves to be seen by many more.
Public Enemy Exposed
in reply to ideogram • • •don't forget #SodaStream.
Although you cannot compare the quality, I deliberately purchased Aarke instead of a SodaStream.
Saiga
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in reply to ideogram • • •Dubi is here
in reply to ideogram • • •Adam
in reply to Dubi is here • • •The 1948 Nakba was literally the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Arabs, including terrorism, massacres, and biological warfare conducted by Israeli forces, the violent expulsion of over half a million Arabs from they're homes, and the suppression of they're identity, culture, and basic rights.
But sure, from the Zionist/genocide apologist perspective, its "antisemitic" to oppose this. SMH
@ideogram
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in reply to ideogram • • •Sarah W
in reply to William Canna-bass • • •Nothing if you don't get caught ๐
ideogram
in reply to ideogram • • •Because several people asked, I did the work for them and found where the stickers are sold:
ebay.us/m/cOtJYC
picclick.co.uk/Boycott-Israeliโฆ
etsy.com/au/listing/4297516420โฆ
Boycott Israeli Apartheid Stickers | 25 - 1000 ๐ BDS โข ยฃ4.50
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in reply to ideogram • • •Serge from Babka
in reply to ืึผึธืืึฟ • • •@kolev
It's an amazing study in the way the antisemite thinks, isn't it?
They believe that a Jew in Manchester is responsible for actions in other countries, leading them to smack these kind of messages on American products.
It's quite the sickness that folks like this have, terrorizing innocent people. We know it's certainly not about change... If they wanted to change things, they'd go after politicians, or a large population. Jews only account for 0.5% of the UK population.
And of course as we know, there are Jewish products that are *only* produced in Israel (not this one, it's American!), which means Jews have no choice but to buy from Israel, meaning they (and only they, not Christians or Muslims) are forced to be subjected to this.
You have to be a pretty sick person to do this to innocent people, and a pretty sick person to think that it's "genius".
#Fediantisemitism
@ideogram
Catbot
in reply to ideogram • • •ideogram
in reply to Catbot • • •The UK version is made on a kibbutz.
Catbot
in reply to ideogram • • •ooops.
I had no idea, I'm sorry about that then.
Apparently it's made in Lohamei Haghetaโot.
So yeah, boycotting them might hurt some people in Israel's north financially.
Not convinced it's hitting the right people though ๐คทโโ๏ธ.
Billiglarper
in reply to Catbot • • •Thanks. You wouldn't apply the same logic to Palestinians, would you?
Catbot
in reply to Billiglarper • • •I will apply the same logic to all groups or peoples.
E.g. if someone labelled Kunafa from Nablus as supporting violent acts done by Hamas, I would ask if it really hurts the right people financially.
Billiglarper
in reply to Catbot • • •It was mostly a rhetorical question. ๐
ideogram
in reply to Catbot • • •I think financial boycotts to prevent genocide should be broad. It is widely thought it was boycott of South African goods that hastened the end of apartheid. I don't really care if some businesses lose income if it saves lives. Your opinion may vary.
Billiglarper
in reply to ideogram • • •@Catbot
Thought by whom? (Even at its peak, only 25% of Britains said they were boycotting produce from South Africa. Which is massive for an action, but small on an economic scale.)
Stopping a war by sanctions seems even harder. There's a lot of economic pressure applied to Russia to stop fighting in Ukraine, to little result so far. Even if they work, sanctions take a long time.
So means and supposed goals don't seem to match in this case. This action doesn't save lives.
Billiglarper
in reply to Billiglarper • • •@Catbot
The other point with actions and pressure in general is that it works best if there's a clear direction to it. "Do this and it will stop". (Otherwise it will be seen as just an attack and an attempt at destruction.)
This action, and #BDS in general, doesn't do that. What's the aim? "Retreat from Gaza", "end apartheid and settler violence in the West-Bank", "destroy Israel and drive the jews into the sea" - which is it? And the 1948 reference points to the later. Again.
ideogram
in reply to Billiglarper • • •1948 is when the nakba happened and Palestinians have been increasingly dispossessed since then. This is the answer to OMG Oct 7 came out of the blue! But you knew that.
What are you doing to stop a live streamed genocide?
@Catbot
David
Unknown parent • • •@Shadedlady @theron29
@ideogram
@Schafstelze
What a pair of disgraceful beings you are. ๐คฎ๐คฎ๐คฎ๐คฎ
Schafstelze
Unknown parent • • •David
Unknown parent • • •Of course I absolutely do not support the genocide. What did you read? ๐ค
My original comment was directed to:
@theron29
@Schafstelze
ArneBab
Unknown parent • • •@Lassielmr that in no way contradicts that the hate which drives Hamas is inherited from Nazi propaganda.
Radio Zeesen and the mufti are the ones who e.g. weaponized the "Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him" hadith that Hamas uses in their Covenant to call for the murder of all Jews.
@Mogleg@mastodon.scot @Shadedlady @theron29
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Unknown parent • • •ArneBab
Unknown parent • • •@Mogleg Nazi-Ideology is what drives Hamas.
Their hate against Jews and their wish to murder all Jewsยน is inherited from the propaganda the Nazis spread with Radio Zeesen in the Arab world:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-โฆ
ยน just read the covenant of Hamas: irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/88โฆ
@saxnot@chaos.social @Shadedlady @theron29 @ideogram@social.coop
Palestinian Arab nationalist (1897โ1974)
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Mogleg
Unknown parent • • •@saxnot
Exactly! I get the impression we in the west have invested so much in the fairy tale of the settler colony being the only democracy etc were plain refusing to acknowledge whatโs happening before our eyes. Itโs cope on a national level.
People are waking up to this fact but weโre still lagging development by some decades. Extremely frustrating.
@Shadedlady @theron29 @ideogram
saxnot @ 39C3
in reply to Mogleg • • •@Mogleg @Shadedlady @theron29 unironically exactly how israel thinks + operates.
It's nazi ideology (the original early 19xx stuff) and they never made a big secret about it. Now they're committing genocide and suddenly we're all shocked that isreal is not the free and democratic bastion it never proclaimed or pretended to be
ArneBab
Unknown parent • • •@Shadedlady No need to call that sarcasm. It wonโt.
But having a Jew-free area in Gaza for 18 years sure did not change their minds either. Oct. 7th proved that.
As taking hostages doesnโt change the minds of extremists in Israel.
What can change their respective minds?
(if you just think about things that do not, please refrain from answering until you find something that could)
@Lassielmr @theron29
ArneBab
Unknown parent • • •@Shadedlady Israel tried a two state solution and threw their own extremists out of Gaza.
Back then Gaza could have been the start of an independent, peaceful state but Hamas turned it into a training ground and equipment source for terrorists.
How to make sure that a second try does not end the same way?
For a one-state solution thatโs even harder and more important.
How do you get Hamas and PLO (and Hezbollah) to stop trying to annihilate Israel and kill all Jews?
@Lassielmr @theron29