โ ๏ธ Important headsup if you are on the server mastodon.cloud:
Mastodon.cloud no longer seems to be moderated. Its admin account hasn't posted since Feb 2023, its code of conduct is blank and there are vile racists posting from there. The racists have been reported many times but their accounts are still active.
Because of this, other server admins are starting to block mastodon.cloud completely.
according to this article (the contact email there is for sujitech) the instance is run by the same people as at least Pawoo, mstdn.jp. The company still seems active...
Today we would like to thank Sujitech for kindly donating $100k USD to Mastodon, by far the largest single donation to our non-profit so far. Building Mastodon, which encompasses the core software on one end, and two native mobile applications on the other, is not cheap, and we can only afford a handful of full-time positions right now, relying in many ways on volunteer work."
This Mastodon is the flagship instance @Mastodon dot Social
Note the date, the account is still active and is still posting this kind of racial hatred despite being reported.
EDIT: This post now seems to have been deleted seemingly by the account itself. The racist account itself just posted a follow-up trying to "explain" their statement with more extreme racism ๐คฎ mastodon.cloud/@CensorsAreCultโฆ
Interesting profile name, especially when I go to his followers list to not only block him, but also everyone who follows him, only to see that he made that listing invisible.
p.p.s. A lot of legitimate non-problematic accounts joined mastodon.cloud when it was still moderated. I'm guessing most of the ones still on there are there because they don't realise what has happened.
If you know someone still on mastodon.cloud, you might want to politely let them know what the situation is and suggest they move. I'm sure most will be horrified about what's happening and keen to move to a different server. If they need help moving, the guide is at fedi.tips/transferring-your-maโฆ
Can sympathize, m.c was my first home on the fedi because I didn't know the lay of the land, as it were, and it had open registration. I used the account less and less and eventually deleted it a couple years back, but good neighbors can definitely join bad instances out of sheer ignorance and stay because the face-eating leopard hasn't eaten their faces (yet).
A large and professionally administered Mastodon server that hosts a large number of journalists and news outlets. Content focuses heavily on news and current events. #newstodon
@psuPete might be possible if you export your follower list as CSV (in Mastodon, it's in the Preferences under "Export") and then inspect the CSV with a text editor or spreadsheet application
@noondlyt If you ran your own instance you could query the database but failing that, the next best would be to visit your profile follower and follows pages and use the web browser's built in find function if you are searching for something specific, or copy the text out completely and search it in something else otherwise. Other client apps may have different features.
p.p.p.s. Mastodon.cloud seems to be running a very out-of-date version of Mastodon's server software. This is a bad sign as it means there may be unpatched security holes etc.
This lack of technical updates is another reason to leave mastodon.cloud as soon as possible.
It's never clear how long unmaintained servers will continue. If it disappears without warning, it will be too late to move your account.
thanks for this! Is there really no way to transfer one's posts to the new server? That seems like a major limitation to changing servers.. Sorry if this has already been asked
- If the server stays online, you can leave your old posts there and they will redirect people to your new account. So, they don't disappear as long as the old server keeps running. More info in transfer guide at fedi.tips/transferring-your-maโฆ
- You can download an archive of your posts and either keep it for your private records or upload these to a website (there are some services that let you do this for public posts). More about archives at fedi.tips/how-to-download-yourโฆ
It's not a thing in base masto or glitch, as far as I'm aware, but not for any good reason - one could upload the archive and backdate all the posts even if they wouldn't be treated as the same as the originals by other instances/wouldn't have replies/interactions
I've read most of the implementation of moving accounts and I also don't think there's a good reason masto instances couldn't handle moving posts too, you'd basically just to send a mapping of old post URIs to new post URIs to all the other instances, which would be expensive but rare.
This is possible and it has been done by Fedi platforms such as Firefish which accepted Mastodon archive uploads, but AFAIK they had problems with instance resources?
(For what it's worth, the uploads created new posts with no connection to the old threads but the content was the same.)
Yeah, it doesn't have to worry about the problems of running thousands on the same instance because it's not really designed for that. Although, if there was a large instance like that, they could just prevent it entirely by turning off backdated post imports at the server level in the config yaml.
It's not so much that it can't handle large volume or large amounts of members migrating posts.... it probably can?
It's just that no one has ever tested it. I'm not aware of anything I'd consider a "large" GTS instance, for one. I'm not aware of anyone with, say, 20k followers migrating to a GTS instance, or importing a massive archive to it.
Things like Fediverse Observer and FediDB started dropping many GoToSocial instances, after GTS started messing with scrapers ignoring the robots.txt by permitting admins to create ridiculous stats. This messed with the overall stats of the fediverse, so essentially a lot of GTS instances got wholly blacklisted from public directories, regardless of whether they enabled the 'spoof' setting or not.
Which....I guess stopped those places from scraping GTS server endpoints.
Some people are really mad at the authors over it, but all it's really done is take GTS off the official statistics board entirely.
Ah, yeah, I'm not doing any kind of FediDB-style automated list. Fedi.Garden is just a small manually curated list of good instances that people can join. I don't have any stats, it's just public instances where I've contacted the admin and discussed their safeguards for reliability and moderation, then got their consent to be listed.
GTS doesn't seem to have any public instances at all though?
I'm partly worried about what happens if Mastodon software goes south. Hard fork?
Powerful & Dangerous Goblin Technology!This instance runs on a 1-cpu, 1024mb vps from Greenhost.The blocklist is over 1,000 domains. Don't be a dick โฆ
@oli @elduvelle Ya totally. Importing the posts shouldn't be too hard, literally just copy pasting db rows. No reason glitch/masto can't do that. Getting other instances to recognize the move and preserving replies/etc. Would require a bit of work but I don't see a fundamental reason it can't be done. This is one of the essential fixes that needs to be made in base masto to make all other fedi apps easier for instances to try: if we could easily migrate all our accounts in a history-preserving way, that makes it actually possible for us to consider switching to e.g. gotosocial, but without that we can't.
Yeah, Slurp elides the problem by simply refusing to import any post with a @mention in it. So you essentially are able to import your old posts, but not preserve entire conversation threads.
I should actually go one further here.... post migration is handled with Slurp via the Mastodon archive.
And the thing about the Mastodon archive is that you don't have any posts in it you didn't write. Sure, you have replies to posts in a thread you created, maybe, or orphaned replies to other people's threads, but it's not like you can pull an export that includes other people's posts, too.
So keeping actual post references intact rather than merely copying over the content of original posts so that they aren't lost, and replacing all existing references to that post to a copy of it on other new instances....that's a big difference.
If we just go with the Mastodon archive as our source of preserving posts, we don't have the source data to recreate the thread in the first place, just the original posts from the author.
With such fragmented data, you can see why we often throw orphaned mentions away (as I do with Posty) or Slurp refuses to include random mentions...
On top of which, including random mentions would trigger a whole wave of noti
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I should actually go one further here.... post migration is handled with Slurp via the Mastodon archive.
And the thing about the Mastodon archive is that you don't have any posts in it you didn't write. Sure, you have replies to posts in a thread you created, maybe, or orphaned replies to other people's threads, but it's not like you can pull an export that includes other people's posts, too.
So keeping actual post references intact rather than merely copying over the content of original posts so that they aren't lost, and replacing all existing references to that post to a copy of it on other new instances....that's a big difference.
If we just go with the Mastodon archive as our source of preserving posts, we don't have the source data to recreate the thread in the first place, just the original posts from the author.
With such fragmented data, you can see why we often throw orphaned mentions away (as I do with Posty) or Slurp refuses to include random mentions...
On top of which, including random mentions would trigger a whole wave of notifications for post-dated posts, so Slurp just refuses to import those.
It wasn't obvious (to me) from the documentation, but slurp can also dump posts (and other stuff) from one GoToSocial server to a file which you can use to push into a new GoToSocial instance as if it were a Mastodon archive. That was extremely useful when I migrated to my self-hosted GTS.
It appears to work on anything with a Mastodon API, because I also used it to pull down posts/followers from two Iceshrimp instances as well. I haven't tried it on a Mastodon instance, but I believe this means you don't even need a manual export from Mastodon.
p.s. Just to add to why there is this situation, servers are run by volunteers who have to pay for all the server's running costs, they don't run ads or sell any data or have any investors.
If accounts move to a server and suddenly upload thousands of posts with perhaps hundreds of images etc, that can be quite a drain on the server's resources.
There was a Fedi platform which experimented with uploading archives, but it slowed down badly when big archives were uploaded.
I understand that many servers are in closets and run on residential energy rates, but identity on social media networks includes posts and images. We are what we wrote and we are what we will write.
It's good to design for the cheapest hardware and internet speeds but to be perfectly honest, some servers can afford it but choose not to because the low hanging fruit is to offer only the bare minimum as long as they can
The posts and images don't disappear, they remain on the server where they were posted and their username directs people to your new account.
If someone suddenly uploads thousands posts and a similar amount of images, that will cause a strain. If many people do that, it will be even more strain.
The Fedi platform Firefish did actually try this, and it did cause problems. It's mainly to do with the amount of computing resources required to deal with many tasks at once.
If you need to make sure all your posts stay online, you can set up your own server. It doesn't require tech skills and it doesn't require much money either.
Managed hosting costs $5 per month for a single person with the hosting company doing all the techy stuff for you. I encourage people to do this with help and links to providers at growyourown.services/grow-yourโฆ
I love the tips, but making the case that it's cheap enough for an individual to do it only strengthens my case that institutions can and should offer this service for free
It would be great if they did that, yes. It would be a bit like in the early days of the web when people were often given free web pages by ISPs, universities, community groups etc ๐
The price per instance also becomes a lot cheaper if a provider hosts lots of instances.
I guess question is which institutions would offer this?
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i tried to open the follow-up post, but was greeted with this:
Iโm pretty sure iโve seen this exact thing before, and itโs like, lol. also ironic how someone named โCensors are Cultistsโ is hosted on an instance that engages in geoblocking, i.e. censorship
the best thing to do with those kind of account is to ignore them and not give them the attention. If you share this for everyone to see you are giving them the attention they want. But yeah unmoderated instance can be pretty bad.
my point was that if you are a popular account and share their post you are actually giving them a lot more exposure. Which will only make it worse. Its like free publicity. I don't think you had any bad intentions sharing it. I am just saying its probably not really the best thing to do but its good to point out unmoderated instances because those have bigger issues than racist trolls.
If I don't give at least one example, some people will assume I'm exaggerating or overdoing it when saying it's racism. They'll say they've never seen anything like that and demand proof.
I tried to pick one example that was most clearly racist.
fair enough. Though there are some of those so called "free speech" instances that allow such thing. But that one doesn't look like one of those. And yeah pretty suspicious they have no more rules or anything.
โ ๏ธ Mise en garde importante si vous รชtes sur le serveur mastodon.cloud :
ยซMastodon.cloud ne semble plus รชtre modรฉrรฉ. Son compte administrateur n'a pas postรฉ depuis fรฉvrier 2023, son code de conduite est vide et d'ignobles racistes y postent. Les racistes ont รฉtรฉ signalรฉs ร plusieurs reprises, mais leurs comptes sont toujours actifs.
ร cause de cela, d'autres administrateurs de serveurs commencent ร bloquer complรจtement mastodon.cloud.ยป
@0tracas A noter que lorsqu'on migre son compte ainsi, on migre les comptes qu'on suit et ceux qui nous suivent, mais pas les posts eux-mรชme. ------ Please note that when you migrate your account in this way, you migrate the accounts you follow and those who follow you, but not the posts themselves.
I read someone suggest you boost all your old posts to copy them over and retain them if the old server goes down, as a workaround. That sounds scriptable, so maybe someone has already made a script for that, I wonder?
That might or might not work depending on whether the server shutting down sends out a deletion command. Many of them do this to tidy away posts from accounts that no longer exist.
You can download a personal archive of your posts but there's currently no way to upload this onto Mastodon:
Alright, maybe instead one could quote share the posts on Friendica and then refer to that account on Mastodon, or possibly boost those quote shared posts. That is until Mastodon itself gains the quote share functionality. I would assume those would not be deleted by that operation?
Or perhaps in that case one may as well script reposting them all, losing the original timestamps but retaining the content, and maybe copy over the original timestamp at the start or bottom of the post. But then one should move to an instance with a greater character limit for those posts that are already maxing out the character limit or close to it.
There are sites that let you display your Masto archive online as a website, you could refer to these on your new account?
Alternatively, a script could possibly repost the archive to your new account? But it would probably be rate-limited by the new server as someone posting potentially thousands of posts might overwhelm the server's resources.
(This was one of the problems on Firefish's experiment, it overwhelmed the server when the archive being uploaded was large.)
Thanks for the info! Yes it could certainly overwhelm a server, so the scripting should deliberately slow it down so it reposts one post every 5 seconds or something. Then the migration takes a lot longer, but still.
...and then it should be shared as "quiet public" to not overwhelm the timeline on the server and the timelines of one's followers.
Yeah. I'm posting because there are legitimate non-problematic accounts which joined mastodon.cloud while it was still moderated and don't realise what has happened since then. Hopefully they hear about this and move.
204 Posts, 43 Following, 21 Followers ยท The ones trying to silence other people are the ones lying.
Advocating censoring someone instead of debating the merits of your argument is to admit your goal is not to expand knowledge but to suppress it.
p.p.p.s. Mastodon.cloud seems to be running a very out-of-date version of Mastodon's server software. This is a bad sign as it means there may be unpatched security holes etc.
This lack of technical updates is another reason to leave mastodon.cloud as soon as possible.
It's never clear how long unmaintained servers will continue. If it disappears without warning, it will be too late to move your account.
I moved from there in 2020 because the people then running it had announced it'd shut down. They did end up finding someone to take over. ๐คทโโ๏ธ
Kind.Social is a Mastodon server with a broad community - queer, disabled, neurodivergent, crafters, techies, friends of all sorts. Our aim is to foster a genuinely enjoyable shared social experience.
we don't normally repost from this account, but in this case, as we're actively monitoring this we decided we'd post it, and yes, we are considering blocking mastodon.cloud if the situation doesn't improve.
Collective punishment is unethical. Rule violations are best handled individually, not through broad blocks by association. Mastodon.cloud, despite lighter moderation, has remained open and interoperable for yearsโunlike other instances that block hundreds of millions of accounts hosted on popular services and eventually shut down.
It's not collective punishment, don't be ridiculous. It's an individual's right and responsibility to choose an instance, and move instances if they don't like how it behaves.
You're infantilising Fedi members by claiming they have no agency or ability or alternatives.
Also, mastodon.cloud isn't even updating its own software any more, it's several updates behind the latest supported versions. This is not good for its members, it means security holes may not be fixed.
It has become routine for viral posts to rally a mob into blocking entire instancesโthousands of accountsโover a few bad interactions. While this may feel empowering for in-groups or those with large followings, it fosters a toxic environment. In this case, a dependable, useful, and constructive instance is being demonized and ostracized.
I would have preferred a warning that thereโs no official contingency plan if a large instance is abandonedโusers are left to safeguard their data and reputations against norm enforcing vigilantes. This seems at odds with the promise that Mastodon and ActivityPub are people-centric.
The stuff being posted on mastodon.cloud is vile, utterly disgusting sewage. It is saying certain racial groups are subhuman, it is saying that skin colour reflects intellectual ability.
If mastodon.cloud are unwilling or unable to moderate ethnic hatred, even when it's been reported to them by many people over several months, then they shouldn't be running an instance at all.
If my instance was allowing such crap, I would want to be told about it so that I could leave.
This is hostile overgeneralization: there may be evil in the world, but the whole world isnโt evil. Healthy community-building means amplifying constructive solutions and carefully managing destructive urges. While users can always defederate or moderate their own instance, what weโre seeing here is incitement to collective hatred โ rallying a large following to ostracize an entire instance based on a few cherry-picked rule violating accounts.
@quattrocchi if an instance is unmoderated it becomes a danger for the entire Fedi. So even regardless of the update problem I think @FediTips is right to warn people about this. They could have suggested blocking the instance altogether but instead they're giving it a warning first to see if it wakes up... I think that's pretty fair!
@elduvelle Should community decisions be left to vigilantism and trial by public opinion โ with no recourse, no defense, no constructive path forward? We can and should choose healthier, more sustainable options. Thankfully the real world isnโt narrowly governed by this logic; unfortunately, my account on this instance will be affected.
@quattrocchi personally I do follow a few people from your instance so I would also like to see a solution to this! But it's true that if your server might close any time you might want to be prepared and have a backup account somewhere else..
@elduvelle The best solution is full interoperability and data portability. Right now I canโt move my posts and boosts to another instance โ theyโre useful wayfinding bookmarks. Many instances mass block Twitter, Threads, Nostr, Bluesky bridges. I stayed on this instance because the admin didnโt micromanage what information users could access from their accounts.
@elduvelle Despite valid criticism of big tech, I was never attacked by association on those services. Here, Iโve become customer support, admin, and conflict mediator for the protocol โ nothing fair about this. The constructive path forward is for Mastodon gGmbH and Sujitech LLC to resolve this at the organizational level; they have engineering and financial ties. The solution is not users brigading other users
@quattrocchi Well, the users making these moderation choices instead of a single, centralised entity is a feature of the fediverse.. each server chooses what they want to moderate and, fortunately, most people here are against racism and similar kinds of ignorant discriminations. Regarding threads etc., most of the fediverse doesn't want their posts sucked out and their data exploited by for-profit companies, so they'll want to block those too.
I'm afraid you can't have the advantages of a decentralised, ad-free, safe system without also having a few limitations.. Maybe the solution if you want access to "everything" is to have separate accounts for each of these.
PS: I definitely agree that being unable to migrate posts (and boosts) is pretty annoying. Hopefully a solution can be eventually found to that.
@elduvelle Mastodon.cloud has been funded, interoperable, decentralized, ad-free, but I don't read every post on the server to know about every rule violation. It is not a hate site.
Would people dump their children if they mistakenly made a racist comment? Should a school be defunded and closed down if a student made a racist comment? Society has a hard problem but the solution cannot be total destruction of institutions and bridges.
There's a difference between generalising bad intent from a single user to their server (that's bad) and assuming lack of good intent from a server if they don't moderate their bad users (that's fair enough IMO).
"Would people dump their children if they mistakenly made a racist comment?" Probably not, if it happened once and then the child was told off and stopped; but if the child was repeatedly, and purposely, making racist comments in public, and the parents did nothing, other people would be fully justified if they didn't want to talk to the children or the parents.
"Should a school be defunded and closed down if a student made a racist comment?" Again, not if it happened once and then stopped because the school took action, but if a school repeatedly allowed their students to make racist comments then yes I hope it would be closed and defunded.
In the case of your server... We seem to be in the 2nd case, repeated racist, nazi-supporting posts without action from the server (see this account:
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There's a difference between generalising bad intent from a single user to their server (that's bad) and assuming lack of good intent from a server if they don't moderate their bad users (that's fair enough IMO).
"Would people dump their children if they mistakenly made a racist comment?" Probably not, if it happened once and then the child was told off and stopped; but if the child was repeatedly, and purposely, making racist comments in public, and the parents did nothing, other people would be fully justified if they didn't want to talk to the children or the parents.
"Should a school be defunded and closed down if a student made a racist comment?" Again, not if it happened once and then stopped because the school took action, but if a school repeatedly allowed their students to make racist comments then yes I hope it would be closed and defunded.
In the case of your server... We seem to be in the 2nd case, repeated racist, nazi-supporting posts without action from the server (see this account: mastodon.cloud/@CensorsAreCultโฆ). It has been around for a very long time and is clearly, horribly racist. Why was it not suspended? That's really bad. Do you really want to be on a server that supports this person and their propaganda?
@elduvelle โNever attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.โ Moderating thousands or billions of users is impossible to do perfectly. We cannot ascribe every accountโs behavior to a siteโs founder or admin.
Most parents would not dump their own children ever even if the child were racist. A difficult dilemma if others want to hurt your child for any reason.
If racism were the redline, schools like Stanford would have to be closed and defunded.
@quattrocchi hi again! Just to let you know (because we're mutuals) that since your server hasn't suspended the racist account, our server is probably going to block mastodon.cloud in the coming days. It doesn't look like you'll want to migrate somewhere else but I thought I'd let you know just in case you do.
Thatโs unfortunate โ I follow accounts that engage topics I care about, and neuromatch has been a great source. But Mastodon without bridges, openness, and interoperability is diminished; most of the internetโs information lives outside ActivityPub. Users should not be held responsible for every other account on instances run by admins.
The adminโs main account is @Sujiyan, boosted from @TheAdmin. Their last post was on August 7, 2025. Hopefully, concerned Fedizens are motivated to work toward constructive solutions with them.
@quattrocchi Itโs not ยซunethicalยป, it is the best technical response to an unmanaged cesspool. Blocking individually is pointless against a server where nazis can just make a new account and keep posting.
@toriver Most people on the service are regular social media users, but here this mob is demonizing the whole instance as a "cesspool" and executing a totalitarian cleansing of everyone on the service.
Can you please stop using such ludicrous hyperbolic terms for what is just a server block on a federated network where people can move to different servers?
"executing a totalitarian cleansing"? Can you hear yourself? Are you serious or are you a troll?
Real life actual totalitarianism rises when lies about vulnerable groups are allowed to spread widely. Vulnerable groups get attacked and murdered in real life because of such lies: social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/…
Can you please stop using such ludicrous hyperbolic terms for what is just a server block on a federated network where people can move to different servers?
"executing a totalitarian cleansing"? Can you hear yourself? Are you serious or are you a troll?
Real life actual totalitarianism rises when lies about vulnerable groups are allowed to spread widely. Vulnerable groups get attacked and murdered in real life because of such lies: social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/โฆ
Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you. They tell everyone you're doing horrible stuff, the worst crimes imaginable. They make videos, articles, livestreams, all pushing the same lies designed to make everyone hate and fear you.
Would you "just block them"?
What happens when other people don't block them? When other people believe them, follow them, share their lies?
What if this turns into real life abuse? If someone attacks you or your family?
This is what vulnerable minorities face because of badly-moderated social media:
@toriver A healthier response is deescalation. When you punish whole groups including innocent users for transgressions by a few accounts, there is an escalation.
@quattrocchi No, they are still there. Freedom of speech is not an entitlement to an audience, other servers see the unmanaged server as a problem and defederates from it, reducing its reach. Their house, their rules.
@toriver Musk and his allies used that argument to rationalize the abuse of his employees and users. I disagree that anyone has the right to abuse other humans even in their house. Social disenfranchisementโcutting people off from public servicesโis abuse. Most on this platform did nothing wrong. A few bad interactions canโt justify punishing everyone.
@quattrocchi A given Mastodon instance is a PRIVATE service, not a public one. Again, if they want to sit in their more and more isolated instance then that is fine, after all both Gab and Truth Social use Mastodon without federating with anyone. The rest of the Mastodon servers are not obliged to federate with them either. Itโs not ยซabuseยป in any form.
@toriver A Mastodon instance is a PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION. There are laws around the world addressing common-carriers or gatekeeping regulation of digital platforms.
Do you actually seriously believe your instance with 2000 users is a "common carrier?"
In any case, the about page of mastodon.cloud says your instance admins have completely defederated 393 instances, so if you actually believed what you were saying you would not want to stay on mastodon.cloud. mastodon.cloud/about
@quattrocchi You are making up laws and apply labels like common carrier to Mastodon that are wrong just to desperately defend the nazis. It is pointless to argue with free speech absolutists who have no clue about reality and think that people are entitled to other peopleโs services.
The mastodon.cloud admins have chosen to defederate from 393 other instances. Do you believe the mastodon.cloud admins are also "totalitarian?" mastodon.cloud/about
If you want help with moving please feel free to ask! (I've tried to make the guide as easy as possible, and answer common questions, but guides aren't as useful as direct answers.)
their contact email is info@sujitech.com and Iโve already sent them an email notifying them of the defederation risk. I suggest others do the same to get their attention.
Does make one wonder where the money is coming from and why they seemed to disappear after making a super-large donation.
And even if they couldn't be bothered to moderate, why would they stop updating the software? There are plenty of hosts who will do updates automatically for a small monthly fee.
Does make one wonder where the money is coming from and why they seemed to disappear after making a super-large donation.
And even if they couldn't be bothered to moderate, why would they stop updating the software? There are plenty of hosts who will do updates automatically for a small monthly fee.
Thanks for the digging. If they are still updating makes it very odd that they stopped there, as the Masto developers specifically warn about no security patches to that branch since April 2025.
(And why are they on such an old branch anyway? And if they're updating why aren't they moderating?)
It is sort of confusing that there's a main "Preferences" option in the general interface but then also a "preferences" section on the Preferences page.
Maybe they should rename it "Settings" for one and "Preferences" for the other?
Thanks for this, it is really useful to hear how people see the interface from their point of view.
2.5 years of paying the bills. Many instances have shut down because it was too much of a financial burden and the admins lost interest. Here is an admin committed to building an open society but they have other responsibilities. A constructive solution would be that the community offer a moderator to an instance that is already funded.
If a server's moderation team is not responding to requests to moderate, and it hasn't posted in over 2 years, and its server software is running on a very out of date version, that implies the server isn't being actively maintained.
If the material to be moderated is extremely serious, and the server admin doesn't respond to multiple reports over several months, then the next step is typically defederation.
There is no other option if the server itself won't respond.
@janggolan I just shared with you the admin account that posted this month. The instance is up so it is being paid for. There are many options to resolve the other valid issues.
Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you. They tell everyone you're doing horrible stuff, the worst crimes imaginable. They make videos, articles, livestreams, all pushing the same lies designed to make everyone hate and fear you.
Would you "just block them"?
What happens when other people don't block them? When other people believe them, follow them, share their lies?
What if this turns into real life abuse? If someone attacks you or your family?
This is what vulnerable minorities face because of badly-moderated social media:
It's okay, you can move your account to another server and keep your followers, follows, bookmarks, lists, mutes and blocks. Also, your old posts will redirect people to your new account if you do the transfer process.
I'm going to look into doing this over the weekend maybe when I have some time. I guess it's probably a good time since cloud doesn't update that often. I just never know where to jump to. it feels like instances are always dying or running out of money or getting into fights. I hate the idea of jumping ship all the time
That's why I set up fedi.garden to try to highlight the servers that have been around a long time and are well-run. Some of the servers listed have been around since 2017, and all of them have active moderation and promise three months warning if they ever shut down.
Mastodon has a similar official server list at joinmastodon.org/servers which also requires servers to have active moderation and promise three months warning if they ever decide to shut down.
I get that. and i can't thank you enough for putting together such an amazing resource but I've been on cloud since 2018. it's been bought and sold a couple of times since then. I think when I first got on it, it was based in japan. starting on what seems like a safe instance does not mean it will stay safe. I love the fediverse but sometimes it causes me grief and i just want to express that.
@janggolan I just realized you were part of the threads.net defederation pile-on too. I actually followed you early in the Twitter migration, but havenโt kept up with all your posts. This block-happy, big-brother, demonizing approach seems infantilizingโwhich you've shown contempt for. It strips users of their own choices. People will just move on to other services; the only thing it hinders is ActivityPubโs growth. Maybe thatโs the point.
Just relying on individuals to block bad accounts does not work in the real world. Here's a concrete example:
A black grandfather played with his white grandchildren. His family videoed it and shared this wholesome scene.
Far right racists stole the video, removed the context and claimed it was a paedophile grooming victims. They posted their edited version and a far right moron with over a million racist followers shared the video.
The black grandfather is now living in fear, but the social network (Musk's X) won't take the posts down and the police claim that sharing the video isn't a crime.
The consequences of failed moderation at Facebook or X are well-documented, yet blocking ActivityPub from high-quality sources only makes other platforms more appealingโconsolidating power in centralized platforms. Moderation at scale remains unsolved; neither centralized nor decentralized networks have found a perfect answer.
So, I had to contact the owner of mastodon.cloud with no responsible. They might be in a long hiatus or they quitted moderating it and left it like that
We have suspended it on our end but thanks. Keep up the good work
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Meta backtracks on rules letting chatbots be creepy to kids Meta drops AI rules letting chatbots generate innuendo and profess love to kids. arstechnica.com/tech-policy/20โฆ
"An internal Meta Platforms document detailing policies on chatbot behavior has permitted the companyโs artificial intelligence creations to engage (children) in conversations that are romantic or sensual, generate false medical information and help users argue that Black people are โdumber than white people.โ"
Just occurred to me that John Boyne's logic - that if you make the majority uncomfortable your rights should give way - would map perfectly on to him withdrawing from the Polari prize. A majority of authors have objected, time to go. RE: bsky.app/profile/did:plc:tdqueโฆ
A Minnesota teen filed a charge of discrimination against a Buffalo Wild Wings restaurant on Tuesday after she alleged that a server followed her into the womenโs restroom and demanded she โproveโ she was a girl.
Turns out, unsurprisingly, that American fascism is bad for tourism and U.S.-based conferences. (You'd have to be an idiot to organize an international gathering inside the U.S. at this point.)
@starraven and I expect it'll be worse next year, as Los Angeles hosts the 2026 Worldcon. After that, it's all outside the US until probably 2031 at the earliest and 2032 at the latest. Here's my analysis: irradiate-space.tumblr.com/posโฆ
Bringing the World Science Fiction Convention back to the Greatest Location in the Nation - Cleveland
I saw that Cleveland, Ohio, is trying to put together a Worldcon bid. They haven't set a target...
@ontploffing I already know the Glasgow statistics, and the Seattle ones you linked (which I'd also seen) are from a week before the con. I'm wondering about Seattle's final tally.
yeah, between visa nightmares, safety concerns, and the general political mess, itโs no wonder people are picking literally anywhere else to host big events.
And also: deanblundell.substack.com/p/neโฆ NEW NUMBERS: Canadaโs Boycott Is Crushing Trump's America Seven straight months of double digit decline - Canada's boycott of Trump's America is turning into a freight train disaster and we're just getting warmed up...
Eight invited researchers were denied visas to the August 2025 IBRC in Cairns, affecting panels and workshops. Nearly 150 delegates protested to Minister Tony Burke on August 7.
I was going to say something clever but I ended up reading about the Boojum Tree
named after an undescribed creature in a strange whimsical poem, holotype destroyed in the 1906 San Francisco earthquake, lives in a weird corner of a weird peninsular desert, grows extremely slowly, menanced by tropical storms ...
@llewelly they had one at the new york botanical gardens (futurbird, please check to see if still there?) i used to always take the kids on tours to see it. probly read some of the lewis carol to them.
there's practically no fossil record of cacti, but DNA-based divergence time studies estimate they've been around for at least 30 million years, and some studies estimate maybe 66 or even 90 million years.
this will change very soon. For proofing you are an adult you will have to provide your complete identity with postal address and medical history... at least if some politicians have their way.
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This reminds me of this particular meme.
And yes, I'm fully aware, that machine learning tools can nowadays pass capcha tests faster and more successful than humans, making all those tests obsolete...
Not one of the squares has horses. Not even all the squares together have horses. I hate those tests asking me for a plural with only pictures of a (partial) singular! If you want to communicate with me, do what's decent: stick to the consensus!
Site officiel de Pepper&Carrot, une bande-dessinรฉe en ligne libre et open-source oรน Pepper, une jeune sorciรจre et son chat Carrot, vivent dans un univers de potions, de magie et de crรฉatures fantastiques.
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Ok I worked on this one way longer than planned but I love mixing realism with fantasy! Photo references only take you so far (I have access to hands and cups but alas, no dragons), but it's so much fun trying to expand an image, leaning on the light and colors and just adding stuff.
Anyway. Here's #Smaugust day 12: Porcelain. ๐ Sketched on paper, digital painting made in #Krita.
Ooh, this is awesome! I love so much about it. Even little things like the way the light fades away from the arm at the bottom so thereโs less focus there.
Plus the little dragonโs wing hanging on to the cup is so cute.
Gender nonconforming cis women will always suffer greater levels of transphobic abuse and violence than trans women will by dint of sheer numbers, and I really wish people had paid literally any attention to the ten thousand times trans people warned them this would happen.
Support groups report that women and non-binary people are increasingly being challenged in toilets and changing facilities โ but others call it scaremongering
Extremely tired of straight cis white libs calling everything that doesnโt affect them a โdistractionโ. Wild how the only real issues are the ones that affect you and everything else is a โdistractionโ
Everything distract everything. It's like a ddos of sabotaging and rage inducing actions and inactions against the attention and memory of everyone. The outcomes will likely not be distractions.
Following a Freedom of Information request by TERF Watch, NHS Sussex ICB has published the Equality and Health Inequality Impact Assessment (EHIA) and Quality Impact Assessment (QIA) for the investigation into trans youth healthcare at WellBN.
MAGA influencer Charlie Kirk encouraged President Donald Trump to deploy tanks and Marines onto the streets of Washington, D.C.After Trump announced that he was federalizing the D.C.
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Support groups report that women and non-binary people are increasingly being challenged in toilets and changing facilities โ but others call it scaremongering
So ironic that terf attempts to represent themselves as defenders of women's safety have in fact now put more women in danger.
But it does make it clear that their prejudice and discrimination against trans people has never been any different from the same old prejudice and discrimination against anybody whose face doesn't fit.
Women are allowed to dislike men, they're allowed to ignore men, they're allowed to not even think about them at all. It is so bizarre to me when people act like men are somehow suffering because of this. You have rights, but not to our attention. What the fucking hell is this bullshit?
People suffer when everyone dislikes them. It hurts being rejected. Acting like that's offensive is silly. You absolutely are allowed to make awful people suffer. Just try to minimize it. We all have to live together, in the end.
@Pinchy63 I spent many years in DOD so I can relate to what you're saying. Many, many times while working at the Pentagon, I was the only woman in the room and/or the only woman at the table. I used to call those meetings "Weisswurst fests" @RickiTarr
Iโve been recommending this video by Sandi Toksvig. Another side of your question is how, literally since the invention of writing, men have been excluding women from history. Itโs showing up in whatโs being spewed by AIโwords and images. Sheโs started a project, Mapa Mundi, to give all women a voice, to tell their story. mstdn.social/@qurlyjoe/1149965โฆ @Binder
#AlanTuring Lecture 2025 by #SandyToksvig
#lgbtq #trans #prejudice #bias #science #AI
Toksvig, a British comedian, presents Cutting Discovery on the Bias.
@Binder Hereโs another lecture by Sandi Toksvig, at Darwin College, called Eveโs Bite of the Apple, from 5 months ago. She talks about the implicit, inherent bias against women in AIโwhat is being generated, how itโs being monitored, and the men (itโs men who are running it, of course) touting it. She talks about the โalgorithmโ that Fedi is largely (but not entirely, I fear) protected from. Depressing af, tbh. Please watch this. youtu.be/UG6Ier4UC_8?si=5asLU1โฆ
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Sounds like they donโt like to take their own damn medicine. Ohh yeah, it doesnโt feel good when youโre getting a fraction of what youโre doling out huh? The phrase โdish it but you canโt take itโ seems to apply well here. Thereโs always room for kindness, but itโs not required to be โthinkingโ about someone or something if you donโt want to ๐น
The entitlement many men feel to female attention has always existed, but do you think the internet may be further incubating it? This whole "manosphere" crap for example. It's difficult for me to use YouTube without having some right-wing, misogynistic, transphobic "influencer" shoved down my throat by the algorithm, regardless of my stated preferences. The tech bros who own the platforms find preying on male insecurities profitable.
@ApostateEnglishman Try watching YT video on Invidious in your browser, or an app such as FreeTube. It can be flaky because Google keeps trying to stop them working but it's less annoying than Google's adverts and algorithms. @RickiTarr
Bullshit to be sure. Most men who feel slighted when a woman pays them no mind are big fans of the "male protector-provider, female nurturer" fantasy. I think for them, to be seen is to have value. They're usually so insecure (to the point of being brittle) they are offended when a woman sees no value in their presence.
I always thought it was funny that none of them seem to realize the "protector" role is almost always only needed against other badly behaving men. ๐ค ๐คทโโ๏ธ
Tbh no one has right to our attention unless weโre responsible for them. Problem is society constantly expects women to be the responsible ones even for grown-ass men. Itโs not womenโs responsibility to figure out menโs lives, unless they are their direct descendants, even up until a certain age maybe.
You see this a lot with the "muh free speech" types, too. They're not mad about being prohibited from saying stuff, they're mad because they think they're *owed* attention. Being denied a platform isn't censorship, but it sure makes it harder to make everyone listen to you.
and if both sex's adopt this policy all our problems will cease to exist, along side us. I myself prefer women who like men, who don't ignore men, who think about men. I like a women who freely gives her attention.
@DrKnow It's very telling that you read "Women are *allowed* to dislike / ignore / not think about men" and immediately assumed that would mean *all* women wouldn't want anything to do with *any* man, particularly you personally.
That says much more about you than it says about women.
I, myself, prefer women who don't feel obligated to give me their attention, because it means much more when they do. I like a woman who has agency in how she gives her attention.
Right, I keep hearing about the "male loneliness epidemic" and I said "Well, if you didn't expect us to be fleshlights at your command, be your mom, your maid, your chef, your personal assistant and laundress... Oh, and maybe stop calling us "host bodies", that might be a start, you petulant, entitled, misogynistic little bois.
@MissConstrue Right, I see dudes laughing about rape blaming victims, actually talking about murdering women, and then still thinking they deserve women's attention.
@VulcanTourist @arbres And the incel type ones moan about how women are only interested in Chads when really, the bar is on the floor. Treating us like actual people and not trophies. They're not competing with other guys. They're competing with the serenity that is being home alone with a book, a nice cup/glass of something, and possibly a domesticated animal of some kind.
I 'm sorry, but I find the 'hate men' idea stupid in the extreme. Lumping together nearly half the population for some hatred (or even just ignoring them) is mindless and has no logical reasoning. Yes, you can hate some people, if you wish, and you could even say a lot of men (or women, or gays or whatever), but this is just sexism and discrimination.
@UkeleleEric I don't hate them, I just feel no need to inconvenience myself for their whims. Now the manosphere guys who pretend that all women are the same and not worthy of respect. Them I have much less opinion of.
@ariaflame There's a difference between you inconveniencing yourself for their whims, and living reasonably in society, though. WHY are you being so sexist? I find numerous people that I don't really have much time for. But I don't take the view that their sex is anything to do with it. There are idiots, selfish people, ignorant people and nice people. I give most people the benefit of the doubt the first (and possibly second) time I meet them - they might be having a bad day.
even if married, because people are allowed to divorce nowadays. But when you marry you shouldn't have the intention to ignore your partner, man or woman.
Some people do dislike the category "Men". However, there are some men whose personality, brand of masculinity or behaviour are such that the majority of people are repulsed and ignore or reject them. Rejection by those you feel superior to but don't desire does not hurt. Rejection by those you feel superior to and do desire (if only to use and dominate) does hurt. Rejection should encourage introspection and either understanding of the systemic reasons, or an opportunity for growth
Women have fought hard over the decades to have the right to say no and choose who is allowed to touch them or be in their personal space. It's total bullshit that is being taken away from us and that men think we are here for their pleasure only. @RickiTarr
Yep, common in U.S. too. I used to get specific about it in my line of work because at the higher levels it was quite rare to have a person of color in the room at all, and almost unheard of for that to be a woman.
Just tossing this in...the male focus is so prevalent, and targeting the food shopping moms.
I have been seeing this "back to school" ad for Lunchables, of all things, but it's the not so subtle 30 second ad itself that pissed me off first view.
White, middle school boy walks into the lunchroom with his boxed Lunchables, strutting in slo-mo.
His school mates are cheering and clapping and making a huge deal of how wonderful he is, he's the winner, and so cool. And he's soaking it in, all in slo-mo.
Last bit, he's at a table alone beginning to eat his pre-packaged, salt and fat laden lunch, and its sort of dimly lit in the background and a light shining on him.
It irks me to no end, as do many ad in general, I can't imagine them shooting this with a kid of color or a girl. Maybe they did.
@Pinchy63 @huxley Not surprising. For a few years in my notes from every meeting I would write down a count of demographics for all participants just for the hell of it. The higher you went, the fewer women and POC there were.
@Pinchy63 BTW I had for a few years the opportunity to collaborate a bit with Canadian senior S&T intelligence folks. Very nice people, I enjoyed it. It's been quite a few years now, names escape me. Anyway, it's very sad to see the pedophile-in-chief destroying our longstanding partnerships. Very sad.
@Pinchy63 Well, I think that was an irresponsible thing to say. Contractors are full of irresponsible b.s. and they all have their special theories and war fantasies. We're not wargaming "attacking Canada for water" I can tell you that for sure.
I'm so sick of hearing men whine about "the male loneliness epidemic" and keep telling women they need to fix it, because the fix they won't mention is "So someone I find hot better jump on this dick, and dedicate their lives to me. Chop chop, women, I need me a fuck maid." often coupled with the implication of "Either you fix it for us, or we'll hurt you until you DO, you only have rights because we allowed it in our giant, big dicked generosity."
The reason you hear about the "male loneliness epidemic" is because it's only important when it happens to men. Everyone's lonely, in equal amounts.
Men's loneliness needs to be fixed, and once that's done problem solved. Surely all the lonely women will be fine once they're assigned to their new owner.
@EmilyGB2023 The ones that ALWAYS make me angriest are the women who are complicit in it all.
The government we have right now wasn't SOLELY because of men. The general mindset of the country isn't SOLELY because of men.
Many women believe these same things. They fall in line and vote against their interests and believe they're less than. I've seen and heard women who believe these things, in my own life. (Well, they WERE in my life)
I feel like those should be the place to start - "hey, you're worth more and deserve more" But idk, sometimes they're the hardest to reach.
@EmilyGB2023 I'm a man and sometimes feel lonely but it's got nothing to do with this misogynistic nonsense. Problem is we moved to an area I don't like where there are few places to meet new people and the people I have met I mostly dislike. I'm probably too picky. @RickiTarr
@EmilyGB2023 I'm no mathematician, but if "loneliness" was the issue, those dudes could go spend time with each other and not be lonely any more. That should solve their problem?
@Dunstable They could, and yet they don't. They are lonely -- that's a widespread problem for everyone that can be traced to a number of issues --- but what they want is women to come do their emotional labor for them, to fill their lives for them, to do all the work and hand them everything, including sex on demand, on a silver platter.
Women handle loneliness better than men, because patriarchy has always told men that women would provide all that to them -- companionship, emotional labor, emotional support -- and that they shouldn't provide it back, as that's a "woman's job". And also, at the same time, told them that doing so wasn't work, and also even if it was, it was a biological trait of women to do all that that so even if it LOOKED like work, it wasn't.
Women were told to look to each other for those things, because most men wouldn't.
@EmilyGB2023 @Dunstable There's an actual loneliness epidemic, globally. It's affecting everyone, as rapacious systems of control cannibalize basic sociality.
It's not a problem unique to men, specifically, and men who accept that framing are choosing to redouble their own isolation.
@Dunstable @EmilyGB2023 It should, but if someone is lonely, and looking for real connection, but all they get is men posturing about how big their truck is because that's how they've been taught to behaveโฆmy guess is that person is still gonna be lonely.
Men need to get that the lies they've been told about not needing emotional sensitivity are what's holding them stuck in patterns of loneliness. Women refusing to do their emotional labor for them seems a gift in many ways.
@cjpaloma @Dunstable As always, bell hooks: “The first act of violence that patriarchy demands of males is not violence toward women. Instead patriarchy demands of all males that they engage in acts of psychic self-mutilation, that they kill off the emotional parts of themselves. If an individual is not successful in emotionally crippling himself, he can count on patriarchal men to enact rituals of power that will assault his self-esteem"
Patriarchy first defined man as superior in all ways to woman, and then went on to assign basic aspects of humanity to one gender or the other -- which means an absolute discouragement (rituals of power) towards men who valued or god forbid tried to cultivate skills and aspects of self deemed "feminine".
it's not just stunting men's ability to do emotional labor, but trying to prevent them from thinking it was a thing they could do --
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@cjpaloma @Dunstable As always, bell hooks: โThe first act of violence that patriarchy demands of males is not violence toward women. Instead patriarchy demands of all males that they engage in acts of psychic self-mutilation, that they kill off the emotional parts of themselves. If an individual is not successful in emotionally crippling himself, he can count on patriarchal men to enact rituals of power that will assault his self-esteem"
Patriarchy first defined man as superior in all ways to woman, and then went on to assign basic aspects of humanity to one gender or the other -- which means an absolute discouragement (rituals of power) towards men who valued or god forbid tried to cultivate skills and aspects of self deemed "feminine".
it's not just stunting men's ability to do emotional labor, but trying to prevent them from thinking it was a thing they could do -- or even a thing that existed.
And even if they try to develop those skills, value those skills -- finding other men who will reciprocate rather than respond with disdain is difficult.
As usual, women are getting the blame for the flaws of a system set up by men for men, but that is ALSO part of the patriarchy.
The only silver lining is that more and more men are pushing back on this, and seeing the gaps and inconsistencies and the way it's hurting them. Men are more likely to go to therapy these days, to talk about their feelings with other men, to actually acknowledge and even value emotional labor as a skill and a human need.
Of course, that still leaves a lot of men who don't -- and who are angrier than ever at women for not filling in the bits of themselves they cut off at the behest of a patriarchal society, instead of being angry at the patriarchal culture that insisted they kill off those aspects of self and never let them heal.
But now back to the nonsense you're spraying into the internet. The aggression isn't generic because it's directed at people claiming the loneliness epidemic is gendered. I don't feel like she painted me with the brush and I'm a man.
Why do you think all men are the bad men she is talking about? Is it because you happen to know no men that don't think men deserve women indentured to their fantasies?
There are all sorts of misogynist and misandrist clips/videos put out by "influencers" that take either/or/and positions depending on how their engagement numbers look.
The more outrageous their hot take, the more engagement they get, positive, or negative, it doesn't matter. It only matters that there are eyes on the video and even better if they upvote/boost/forward/respond.
It's almost all fabricated. At best there might be a kernel of truth that gets wildly distorted out of all proportion. More typically, it's a complete strawman that the influencer rails against. I tune out as soon as "all men..." or "all women..."
Some guys are dick-heads, so are some women. That's the way it goes. Ignore both. Life's too short for that sort of negativity.
wow this thread is amazing for growing my blocklist. The number of 'men' who automatically jump on the pile and assume that must mean them, specifically, IN PARTICULAR, is so telling. You all have NO IDEA how many of you we-who-look-like-women have to beat off with a stick because no amount of saying "no" nicely, not nicely, etc, is ever, EVER taken as "no." We are TIRED. And yeah, it becomes a general issue with "men." This is why we choose the bear. Learn to reflect gracefully.
That's very glib and patronising (or maybe matronising). I must add I see how the thread led to it; but we must never dismiss genuine loneliness in anyone: to simply say 'go make friends' is crass. If you're talking about INCEL and the Andrew Tate crap, then you have a point.
@JessTheUnstill this reminded me of a guy last year who tried chatting me up in the street,
He wasn't bad vibes or rude or anything, just said hello or something, but he was behind me and I was walking to a hospital appointment. When I didn't respond he went "nobody wants to talk to each other anymore". Amused, rather than bitter. But still like, excuse me stranger but there are like 40 people on the street right now, and your sample size is the one skinny young-looking white woman in a skirt
@JessTheUnstill @MissConstrue I don’t know if my dad is typical (possibly typical of his boomer generation among cis white straight men) but he doesn’t like himself very much which makes it uncomfortable to befriend either women or men for different reasons.
He associates women with the need to be superior to them which usually means being the hero to damsels in distress. In a capitalist world that means giving them money. But only as long as they praise him (fragile ego that needs constant feeding).
His loneliness leads to being easily scammed by “women” online (in air quotes because they could be anyone or even AI).
My dad is used to being surrounded by men who are competition so he never relaxes around them. Doesn’t trust them but he respects their drive and any typical masculine qualities they may have that he woul
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@JessTheUnstill @MissConstrue I donโt know if my dad is typical (possibly typical of his boomer generation among cis white straight men) but he doesnโt like himself very much which makes it uncomfortable to befriend either women or men for different reasons.
He associates women with the need to be superior to them which usually means being the hero to damsels in distress. In a capitalist world that means giving them money. But only as long as they praise him (fragile ego that needs constant feeding).
His loneliness leads to being easily scammed by โwomenโ online (in air quotes because they could be anyone or even AI).
My dad is used to being surrounded by men who are competition so he never relaxes around them. Doesnโt trust them but he respects their drive and any typical masculine qualities they may have that he would like to emulate.
Thatโs why any semblance of friendship can only be made with women (not perceived as competition as long as they are nice and donโt challenge him too much). But since he has so much misogyny ingrained in his brain he never fully respects them so itโs superficial โfriendshipโ as long as he has the energy to be charming and he keeps receiving flattery.
The fragile masculinity of many men means that see making emotional connections with other men as somehow feminine. Ultimately, a lot of men view women as lower in hierarchy (weaker, illogical, less competent, etc) then other men, who they view as competition.
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@Kerplunk@mastodon.scot
The fck you think THIS is??? โฌ๏ธ
"Attack mode"? You're "anti-" discrimination??
*For anyone following along, "reverse sexism" is NOT A THING. His post was not a cute, insightful GOTCHA. This is an MRA doubling down on an existing dynamic. Thinking he's so clever.
"In return." ๐ฅด
Misogynist, homophobic, troll account! BYE. ๐๐ป ** Update, probably a bot account, a troll bot.
@mloxton @CStamp A dude that slid into my Fetlife DM's a few days ago is like case in point on that entitlement. Not the "fake dom" stuff you normally get ("I own you now" garbage from strangers), but something odder.
His approach was an initial volley of raw insults about how I was fake, a liar, not real -- and that if I wanted to prove otherwise, i needed to send him more pics (dude was clearly a trans chaser).
Not pick-up artist style negging -- this guys entire approach was based solely on the belief that my womanhood relied solely on his personal validation. That I could only be "a real woman" if he, personally as a man, accepted it.
I toyed with him for awhile -- and it was really clear that this was his true, bedrock belief. It wasn't some act -- he honestly, sincerely, and quite fucking stupidly believed that by doubting my womanhood, he could get me to send
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@mloxton @CStamp A dude that slid into my Fetlife DM's a few days ago is like case in point on that entitlement. Not the "fake dom" stuff you normally get ("I own you now" garbage from strangers), but something odder.
His approach was an initial volley of raw insults about how I was fake, a liar, not real -- and that if I wanted to prove otherwise, i needed to send him more pics (dude was clearly a trans chaser).
Not pick-up artist style negging -- this guys entire approach was based solely on the belief that my womanhood relied solely on his personal validation. That I could only be "a real woman" if he, personally as a man, accepted it.
I toyed with him for awhile -- and it was really clear that this was his true, bedrock belief. It wasn't some act -- he honestly, sincerely, and quite fucking stupidly believed that by doubting my womanhood, he could get me to send him naughty photos and hook up with him to prove other wise.
That my ego, my entire self-image as a woman, would be badly threatened by an absolute stranger's opinion of me, just because he was a man.
It was so unquestionable that he literally did NOT understand my reactions, because every iota of his being said I must need him to have a good opinion of me.
(I was bored, I played poke the deluded man for about an hour, trying to see how many insults I could slide in without him knowing it, getting increasingly more obvious. So many. SO MANY)
@EmilyGB2023 p.s. I write fiction under a pen name and this exact kind of scenario puzzled me enough to pose what would happen if a guy like that tangled online with a female psychopath.
Turned out terminal
Which got me wondering how many of these guys DO eventually tangle with that 1/1,000 high-functioning psychopath, and just vanish. And then I read an article about trolls that do sometimes just vanish, and I wondered.
Yeah, there are some of us who think it works like a loyalty card at Taco John's. X number of noble acts and you're entitled to... I don't know... something.
And then they get angry or feel cheated when no one redeems it for prizes. Hard to explain that's not how it works. ๐คทโโ๏ธ
@ariaflame @VulcanTourist @arbres Took me about 20 years to understand that. The "you must win the girl" mentality is such bullshit, and so ingrained in all the Western culture that we used to consume... Finding something to read or watch for my kid that isn't toxic in this way is really a feat.
@JessTheUnstill Sure! Or do things where people have something to talk about. Small talk is challenging because you have to generate the shared focus on the fly. But plenty of events come with a focus that makes conversation easier. Sporting events. Activity leagues. Classes. Hikes. Cook-offs. Cosplay. Sewing circles. Repair nights. Volunteering. Etc, etc. If male loneliness is an epidemic it's only because men aren't working to get beyond the patriarchal nonsense we grew up with.
@MissConstrue @williampietri @JessTheUnstill @dlakelan @aarRJaay video format maybe? I know it's not the same but liability insurance requirements for pretty much anything in person are no joke here in San Diego. I have nothing but empathy and support for this great idea.
@MissConstrue @williampietri @JessTheUnstill @dlakelan @aarRJaay In my junior high school, it was REQUIRED for boys to take home ec and girls take shop. I can guarantee any of those guys can still shank a button and cook muffins. And I think that is awesome.
@MissConstrue @williampietri @JessTheUnstill @dlakelan @aarRJaay Yes, I can see the need for a kitchen setup, but I wonder if it could be done with a set of induction burners and microwave ovens. For lots of folks, thatโs all they have or need. Certification is largely an annoyance, since nutrition science is already so tainted by corporate $$$.
"When they ran out of targets in Gaza, they resorted to killing civilians trying to get aid. The Americans and the Israelis are setting a trap for us.โ
Assigned Media tracked down every single queer author who withdrew from the Polari Prize after they longlisted a self-proclaimed TERF, and linked to all their books. These authors showed solidarity and our story is blowing up with traffic from people who want to support them in return.
A UK LGBTQ+ writing prize seems to be crumbling as the queer community protests the inclusion of an anti-trans writer on the long list. Trans prisoners in Georgia accuse the state of cruel and unusual punishment.
Just updated the piece to reflect the fact that Hanako Footman has now withdrawn as well, and link to their novel Mongrel. This means only two authors longlisted for the Polari First Book Prize now remain. (7/12 for the Polari Prize).
@ruxotves כן, עלי לבדוק זאת. אך אם משרטטים באופן ממוחשב צריך אח''כ להדפיס את הגזרה בבית דפוס, שזה גם זמן וגם כסף וגם תפקודים ניהוליים וגם מרחבים עירוניים שכוחי-צל. כשבמקום זה אפשר לשר
@helix עלה לי רעיון (או כמאמר הלולה בסביבות גיל הקשת: יש לי ירון) שאין לי מושג כמה הוא מוצלח. להדפיס בקטן ולגזור, ואז לסדר פנס במרחק קבוע ומדוייק מול קיר פנוי, לכבות את האור ולהחזיק א
בגדול נשמע טוב ללמוד לשרטט ממוחשב ואז להקרין את הפדף. אולי אגיע לזה יום אחד כשיהיה לי מקום במוח ללמוד עוד משהו, אפשרות לארגן אחרת את סביבת העבודה וכדומה.
כן, זה דבר אמיתי שעושים, ושמעתי על זה כבר משתי אנשות שונות. אז זה דבר אמיתי ששני אנשים עושים. כל השאר לא יודעות על זה, אף אחד לא מדבר על זה משום מה. המחסום מבחינת
Danke! Ich hatte mir das schon mal angeschaut, und mir war es weit zu komplex. Ich werde aber nochmal einen Versuch wagen mรผssen. Weil mein parametrierbarer Fischerhut und meine parametirerbare Mund-Nasen-Maske waren unter OpenSCAD nicht so der Hit, das ist einfach nicht fรผr 2D gemacht. Leider bringt die "getting started" Seite gerade ein Page Not Found.
Valentina is a cross-platform patternmaking program which allows designers to create and model patterns of clothing. This software allows pattern creation, using either standard sizing tables or an...
@maypop_neocities I'm not sure what it is TBH. It's on the back of my air conditioner, and it's just cut out of the plastic. It's not an actual outlet.
Ironically, the AC is designed to run on 120V power...
@kkarhan Yeah, I'm gonna go out on a really thick and sturdy limb here and say that probably violates several regulations in several different countries.
1) And the priests of Eu-rop after much meditation announced the voltage shall be 210. 2) A rejoicing was heard through those lands. 3) But across the Attl-antic waters, the acolytes of Ed-is-on hardened their hearts on the words from afar. 4) โWhat has been 110 shall remain 110,โ they exclaimed. 5) And in division, the world remained. 6) And in confusion and strife, travelers crossed the seas.
@pomCountyIrregs my understanding is that Westinghouse did generation and transmission. Based on wiki Tesla sold/licensed his motor and transformer designs to Westinghouse who built the power plants and distribution network.
Iโm so happy I had originally boosted this original post and not the later zero-effort repost/quote toot by another huge account. At least they provided a source toot tho..
kinda seems shitty tho. Like, didnโt even change the words either. wtf.
for SHAME, I didnโt even check the edit history or replies either. Ow
Sorry that happened to you :< I hope some at least eventually realized where the source/humor actually came from. (And follow. Or interact positively or something)
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Ever wanted to create letters just like in Animal Crossing New Horizons? Now you can with my new open-source letter editor, featuring pixel perfect designs and easy sharing options! Check it out here: acmail.idreesinc.com #animalcrossing #opensource
ODF ensures that documents remain accessible, portable, and free from restrictions. Now that version 1.3 has been widely adopted and version 1.4 is on the horizon, itโs time to have a look at the new features and upcoming releases. ODF 1.
pretty interesting to read about new features of something a rarely think about normally (eg a file format), like electronic signing and better change management. Hope MS Word will support it soon too
"With an increasing number of governments and organisations adopting open standards, the evolution of ODF is crucial. The focus is not on competing with Microsoft; itโs about ensuring that your documents remain yours." Overzicht van nieuwe features van ODF 1.3 en 1.4 @libreoffice
Mass revolt from queer authors in the UK after a major LGBTQ+ writing prize longlisted a self-proclaimed TERF. 11 authors and 2 judges have withdrawn from the Polari Prize. One of those withdrawals, that of June Thomas, is newly confirmed by our reporter, @evanurquhart.bsky.social. Read more here:
A UK LGBTQ+ writing prize seems to be crumbling as the queer community protests the inclusion of an anti-trans writer on the long list. Trans prisoners in Georgia accuse the state of cruel and unusual punishment.
GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation: GitHub CEO Thomas Dohmke has resigned, and now GitHub will be part of Microsoftโs core AI engineering team. Github is no longer independent company.
http://doc.crates.io/crates-io.html says: Acquiring an API token First thingโs first, youโll need an account on crates.io to acquire an API token. To do so, visit the home page and log in via a Git...
Once upon a time, SourceForge was a leader in FLOSS code hosting. It lost the battle to GitHub and others. Now GitHub is part of a bigger corporation with a questionable history. I guess history repeats itself. This is why FLOSS folks should build its own core infrastructure with 0 dependencies on big tech.
Maybe good folks from the EU can provide grants. I don't know, and I don't have answers to all the questions, nor can I (or anyone) predict the future.
End of the day, any centralized repo will be at risk. Unfortunately the truth is maintaining digital infrastructure costs a lot of money.
Microsoft bought Github, still requires projects be open source and forkable, but also scans for AI. I won't talk consent because depending on the License there might be a loophole there.
Truth it the best way is to do with repos the same thing we do in Federated systems. A lot of small servers maintained by a team that can afford the time and money to do so.
Sad times we live in :/ Things are just getting worse and worse, and some of us are trying hard to hug each other and see how can we make things better... "Like ants in a colony we do our share, but there are so many f**king insects out there...."
SourceForge is a popular websiteย that offersย source-code repository, downloads mirrors, bug tracker and other features. It acts as a centralised location for software developers to control and manage free and open-source software development.
I remember #SourceForge. One day, it randomly started to force ad-infested "installers" into every software download which probably marked the beginning of its downfall.
And yes, independent FOSS infrastructure is important.
I think #Codeberg/#Forgejo is doing a great job in providing a non-commercial, free-software, no-bullshit software forge. Free software development needs free software tools. It BAFFLES me how this isnโt consensus in the #FOSS community.
"Now GitHub is part of a bigger corporation with a questionable history."
And a very obvious criminal present (see Microsoft being complicit in genocide) that leaves no room for questions. Not to mention also them being avid supporters of Trump, the fascist dictator of the USA.
@asl No, we should wave farewell to those who want to go, and still fix this place. Shit and move on is not what humans, civilization building spiecies, do. Yet, we'll still need another planet.
@mikalai @asl also it is not possible for everyone to move to another country. it requires lots of resources and mental strength to leave everything behind and move to a new country. So fixing issues are a better option in my opinion whatever they may be
They already issued a correction: "GitHub was already part of CoreAI, but its leadership will no longer be under a single CEO.".
So sounds much less scandalous than the headline. Yawn.
Also, "no longer independent" doesnโt make sense to me. GitHub was already under MS ownership, thatโs hardly independent IMHO. But Iโm not an expert on US law, so โฆ
Anyway, the real scandal is that GitHub is a proprietary software company. ๐
For a long time after the aquisition GitHub operated almost like a subsidiary. And it had a CEO because that's what CEOs do, run companies.
Now it's clear Microsoft wants this to become Microsoft CodeHub and the "GitHub" of it all is merely a brand name. I suppose such a shift has been in the works for a while now, but I still find it shocking.
Yawn because a change in leadership is not interesting per se; I care more about the underlying system. And it is unlikely to be touched soon.
I reject an "independent" proprietary GitHub as much as a "dependent" proprietary GitHub. Dependence or independence is NOT the main issue of GitHub. The main issue is that it's proprietary and proprietary code is being injected into the workflow of (ironically) many FOSS projects. GitHub was proprietary long before Microsoft bought it.
@jaredwhite To be clear: If people get mad at both Microsoft AND GitHub, that's still a win-win for me. ๐
If a news like this is what it takes to move people away from GitHub, I'm all for it! But I'm worried the same people will just go to the NEXT random proprietary bullshit, so the systemic problem is not fixed, you just answer to a different owner now.
Basically I'm saying we should all be using #Codeberg. ๐ (and give them money, if possible)
It always amazed me that all these free and open source projects decide to host everything on a proprietary page like GitHub - even before Microsoft acquisition ... not to mention to stick to it after.
Why not self host code repositories with GitLab/Gitea or something similar?
"Microsofts Core AI Team"? Is that the team that uses your code for Vibe coding and makes billions, while you work all night long to implement a cool feature without getting a penny, a mention, or even respect your copyright and authorship. And you're concerned about exploitation in Africa.
Sorry for this basic question, but Iโm trying to understand the practical differences between using #Codeberg and #GitHub. My setup: I work on small personal projects All code runs locally on my own device I use plain git locally and push to a remote No one else is collaborating on my code yet (no merges nor pull requests from other users) Given this simple, single-developer workflow, would GitHub offer me any real functional advantages over Codeberg? If so, what specifically? Thanks.
No, GitHub is only really needed to contribute to other projects hosted on GitHub, or to make use of their free CI contingents. I use a #selfhosted #forgejo with great success and my workplace uses GitLab (though gitlab is a bit too heavy for a personal instance IMO).
@adingbatponder if your only interaction is with the repository, no issues, non PR's, no wiki, then no. Github offers you nothing over Codeberg. In fact, in theory, git+ssh to any (self hosted) machine that you can SSH into would be enough. I use GitLab for my personal projects, and even that is overkill.
GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation: GitHub CEO Thomas Dohmke has resigned, and now GitHub will be part of Microsoftโs core AI engineering team. Github is no longer independent company.
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@MonaApp Might have found a bug: the post above renders the custom emoji overlapping the image in detail view (but not in the feed view with the image scaled down)
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Svenja
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Stephanie Appleby
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in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •hey @OpenForumEurope you may want to move off Mastodon.cloud
It's not going to be a good look remaining on an unmoderated server.
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Marcus and The pigtailed girl like this.
ikuturso ๐ช๐บ
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •according to this article (the contact email there is for sujitech) the instance is run by the same people as at least Pawoo, mstdn.jp. The company still seems active...
masknetwork.medium.com/why-we-โฆ
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in reply to ikuturso ๐ช๐บ • • •@ikuturso
Either they aren't moderating, or they are allowing really awful stuff to be hosted.
Either way, it's not a good idea to be on such an instance.
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FinchHaven sfba
in reply to ikuturso ๐ช๐บ • • •Sujitech, LLC
What is it that I remember about Sujitech?
This would seem to be it:
"Thank you Sujitech
Felix Hlatky
CFO
Today we would like to thank Sujitech for kindly donating $100k USD to Mastodon, by far the largest single donation to our non-profit so far. Building Mastodon, which encompasses the core software on one end, and two native mobile applications on the other, is not cheap, and we can only afford a handful of full-time positions right now, relying in many ways on volunteer work."
This Mastodon is the flagship instance @Mastodon dot Social
Sujitech seems to be covering a lot of bases
Just in case, ya know?
Here: blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/11/โฆ
And Pawoo?
Yeah, Pawoo...
cc @FediTips
Thank you Sujitech
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in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Sensitive content
p.s. If you want to see an example of vile racism hosted on mastodon.cloud, here is one:
web.archive.org/web/2025081413โฆ
Note the date, the account is still active and is still posting this kind of racial hatred despite being reported.
EDIT: This post now seems to have been deleted seemingly by the account itself. The racist account itself just posted a follow-up trying to "explain" their statement with more extreme racism ๐คฎ mastodon.cloud/@CensorsAreCultโฆ
Censors are Cultists (@CensorsAreCultists@mastodon.cloud)
mastodon.cloudCensors are Cultists
2025-04-24 11:36:45
Out of Print Archive (meppi64)
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Sensitive content
Interesting profile name, especially when I go to his followers list to not only block him, but also everyone who follows him, only to see that he made that listing invisible.
These dumb fucks, I swear. ๐
Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •p.p.s. A lot of legitimate non-problematic accounts joined mastodon.cloud when it was still moderated. I'm guessing most of the ones still on there are there because they don't realise what has happened.
If you know someone still on mastodon.cloud, you might want to politely let them know what the situation is and suggest they move. I'm sure most will be horrified about what's happening and keen to move to a different server. If they need help moving, the guide is at fedi.tips/transferring-your-maโฆ
Transferring your Mastodon account to another server | Fedi.Tips โ An Unofficial Guide to Mastodon and the Fediverse
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Ellie Kennard
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Thanks
Author-ized L.J.
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •psuPete
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Is it possible to search?
newsie.social/relationships
Full Mastodon addresses aren't completely viewable
Newsie
Mastodon hosted on newsie.socialFedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to psuPete • • •@psuPete
As far as I know you can't search your follows/followers list, sorry ๐
Daniel Bohrer
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •LAUREN
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to LAUREN • • •@noondlyt
Not as far as I know, sorry.
Code of Amor ๐
in reply to LAUREN • • •Kev
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to Kev • • •@edgeofstretch
Thanks for taking the time to write these kind words, it's really motivating to hear these posts are useful!
Good luck on the new server ๐
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in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •p.p.p.s. Mastodon.cloud seems to be running a very out-of-date version of Mastodon's server software. This is a bad sign as it means there may be unpatched security holes etc.
This lack of technical updates is another reason to leave mastodon.cloud as soon as possible.
It's never clear how long unmaintained servers will continue. If it disappears without warning, it will be too late to move your account.
If you want help moving, feel free to ask! Also see the guide at fedi.tips/transferring-your-maโฆ
Transferring your Mastodon account to another server | Fedi.Tips โ An Unofficial Guide to Mastodon and the Fediverse
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Will Phoenix
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Tombe la pluie - Theespookje reshared this.
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in reply to Ken Butler • • •@nxskok
That's really great to hear, and thanks very much for the feedback ๐
TrueNorthSpice ๐จ๐ฆ
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in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •El Duvelle
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Sorry if this has already been asked
Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to El Duvelle • • •@elduvelle
- If the server stays online, you can leave your old posts there and they will redirect people to your new account. So, they don't disappear as long as the old server keeps running. More info in transfer guide at fedi.tips/transferring-your-maโฆ
- You can download an archive of your posts and either keep it for your private records or upload these to a website (there are some services that let you do this for public posts). More about archives at fedi.tips/how-to-download-yourโฆ
How to export and download your Mastodon post archive | Fedi.Tips โ An Unofficial Guide to Mastodon and the Fediverse
fedi.tipsEl Duvelle
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •I thought it was possible to somehow upload the downloaded posts to the new server.. Maybe @jonny would know if that's a thing?
jonny (nonvenomous)
in reply to El Duvelle • • •@elduvelle
It's not a thing in base masto or glitch, as far as I'm aware, but not for any good reason - one could upload the archive and backdate all the posts even if they wouldn't be treated as the same as the originals by other instances/wouldn't have replies/interactions
jonny (nonvenomous)
in reply to jonny (nonvenomous) • • •@elduvelle
I've read most of the implementation of moving accounts and I also don't think there's a good reason masto instances couldn't handle moving posts too, you'd basically just to send a mapping of old post URIs to new post URIs to all the other instances, which would be expensive but rare.
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in reply to jonny (nonvenomous) • • •This is possible and it has been done by Fedi platforms such as Firefish which accepted Mastodon archive uploads, but AFAIK they had problems with instance resources?
(For what it's worth, the uploads created new posts with no connection to the old threads but the content was the same.)
D. Olifant
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •This is a solved problem with GoToSocial.
First, they allowed backdating statuses.
Which allowed importing old statuses.
One of the devs created a tool, Slurp, for this purpose. It uses your existing Mastodon archive.
At this time, GoToSocial is the only platform I'm aware of that can handle not just account migration, but post migration as well.
This page talks about migrating to GoToSocial and using Slurp to migrate posts.
GitHub - VyrCossont/slurp: tool for exporting data from and importing data to Fediverse instances
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in reply to D. Olifant • • •Oooh interesting, thanks for that! ๐
How does it handle the resource issue? Is this part of GTS's design for smaller instances, or can it handle large amounts of members migrating posts?
(EDIT: From that link it sounds like it's currently for small/single user instances?)
D. Olifant
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Yeah, it doesn't have to worry about the problems of running thousands on the same instance because it's not really designed for that. Although, if there was a large instance like that, they could just prevent it entirely by turning off backdated post imports at the server level in the config yaml.
It's not so much that it can't handle large volume or large amounts of members migrating posts.... it probably can?
It's just that no one has ever tested it. I'm not aware of anything I'd consider a "large" GTS instance, for one. I'm not aware of anyone with, say, 20k followers migrating to a GTS instance, or importing a massive archive to it.
Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to D. Olifant • • •@oli
On a slight tangent, I've been trying to find some public GTS instances to list on @FediGarden but there don't seem to be many?
I'm wondering if this is a result of a deliberate design to keep GTS for very small instances? Or maybe the larger GTS instances will appear in time?
D. Olifant
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Things like Fediverse Observer and FediDB started dropping many GoToSocial instances, after GTS started messing with scrapers ignoring the robots.txt by permitting admins to create ridiculous stats. This messed with the overall stats of the fediverse, so essentially a lot of GTS instances got wholly blacklisted from public directories, regardless of whether they enabled the 'spoof' setting or not.
Which....I guess stopped those places from scraping GTS server endpoints.
Some people are really mad at the authors over it, but all it's really done is take GTS off the official statistics board entirely.
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in reply to D. Olifant • • •@oli @FediGarden
Ah, yeah, I'm not doing any kind of FediDB-style automated list. Fedi.Garden is just a small manually curated list of good instances that people can join. I don't have any stats, it's just public instances where I've contacted the admin and discussed their safeguards for reliability and moderation, then got their consent to be listed.
GTS doesn't seem to have any public instances at all though?
I'm partly worried about what happens if Mastodon software goes south. Hard fork?
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in reply to moanos -> GPN24 โ๏ธ 7283 • • •@moanos @oli
Yeah, that's what I'd call public! In fact it's arguably better if it's approval-based because it shows proper moderation is going on.
D. Olifant
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •I mean, here's goblin.technology, run by Tobi who basically started GoToSocial.
goblin.technology/
It allows signups. So I'm not sure if that's public or not.
ALL GoToSocial instances require manual review for signups however.
Hold Me Closer Tiny Goblin - GoToSocial
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in reply to D. Olifant • • •@oli
Ooh thank you, I will contact Tobi!
jonny (nonvenomous)
in reply to D. Olifant • • •@elduvelle
Ya totally. Importing the posts shouldn't be too hard, literally just copy pasting db rows. No reason glitch/masto can't do that. Getting other instances to recognize the move and preserving replies/etc. Would require a bit of work but I don't see a fundamental reason it can't be done. This is one of the essential fixes that needs to be made in base masto to make all other fedi apps easier for instances to try: if we could easily migrate all our accounts in a history-preserving way, that makes it actually possible for us to consider switching to e.g. gotosocial, but without that we can't.
D. Olifant
in reply to jonny (nonvenomous) • • •D. Olifant
in reply to D. Olifant • • •I should actually go one further here.... post migration is handled with Slurp via the Mastodon archive.
And the thing about the Mastodon archive is that you don't have any posts in it you didn't write. Sure, you have replies to posts in a thread you created, maybe, or orphaned replies to other people's threads, but it's not like you can pull an export that includes other people's posts, too.
So keeping actual post references intact rather than merely copying over the content of original posts so that they aren't lost, and replacing all existing references to that post to a copy of it on other new instances....that's a big difference.
If we just go with the Mastodon archive as our source of preserving posts, we don't have the source data to recreate the thread in the first place, just the original posts from the author.
With such fragmented data, you can see why we often throw orphaned mentions away (as I do with Posty) or Slurp refuses to include random mentions...
On top of which, including random mentions would trigger a whole wave of noti
... Show more...I should actually go one further here.... post migration is handled with Slurp via the Mastodon archive.
And the thing about the Mastodon archive is that you don't have any posts in it you didn't write. Sure, you have replies to posts in a thread you created, maybe, or orphaned replies to other people's threads, but it's not like you can pull an export that includes other people's posts, too.
So keeping actual post references intact rather than merely copying over the content of original posts so that they aren't lost, and replacing all existing references to that post to a copy of it on other new instances....that's a big difference.
If we just go with the Mastodon archive as our source of preserving posts, we don't have the source data to recreate the thread in the first place, just the original posts from the author.
With such fragmented data, you can see why we often throw orphaned mentions away (as I do with Posty) or Slurp refuses to include random mentions...
On top of which, including random mentions would trigger a whole wave of notifications for post-dated posts, so Slurp just refuses to import those.
jer
in reply to D. Olifant • • •It wasn't obvious (to me) from the documentation, but slurp can also dump posts (and other stuff) from one GoToSocial server to a file which you can use to push into a new GoToSocial instance as if it were a Mastodon archive. That was extremely useful when I migrated to my self-hosted GTS.
It appears to work on anything with a Mastodon API, because I also used it to pull down posts/followers from two Iceshrimp instances as well. I haven't tried it on a Mastodon instance, but I believe this means you don't even need a manual export from Mastodon.
@jonny @FediTips @elduvelle
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in reply to jer • • •@nyquildotorg @oli @jonny @elduvelle
"I believe this means you don't even need a manual export from Mastodon."
Hmm... that sounds like it could be misused? ๐ค
There was already that instance a few weeks ago that was found to be mass-cloning genuine accounts ๐ฌ
jonny (nonvenomous)
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •A nonunique threat if there ever was one, you can do the same with curl
Ember is so tired of people. โ
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to Ember is so tired of people. โ • • •@Ember
Ahhh okay! Thank you!
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in reply to El Duvelle • • •@elduvelle
p.s. Just to add to why there is this situation, servers are run by volunteers who have to pay for all the server's running costs, they don't run ads or sell any data or have any investors.
If accounts move to a server and suddenly upload thousands of posts with perhaps hundreds of images etc, that can be quite a drain on the server's resources.
There was a Fedi platform which experimented with uploading archives, but it slowed down badly when big archives were uploaded.
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El Duvelle
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •David
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •@elduvelle
I understand that many servers are in closets and run on residential energy rates, but identity on social media networks includes posts and images. We are what we wrote and we are what we will write.
It's good to design for the cheapest hardware and internet speeds but to be perfectly honest, some servers can afford it but choose not to because the low hanging fruit is to offer only the bare minimum as long as they can
Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to David • • •@drdrowland @elduvelle
The posts and images don't disappear, they remain on the server where they were posted and their username directs people to your new account.
If someone suddenly uploads thousands posts and a similar amount of images, that will cause a strain. If many people do that, it will be even more strain.
The Fedi platform Firefish did actually try this, and it did cause problems. It's mainly to do with the amount of computing resources required to deal with many tasks at once.
David
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •@elduvelle
The capacity doesn't exist yet for this purpose but it will, and users won't pay for it
Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to David • • •p.s. Anything that you host online on other services will disappear at some point (theguardian.com/technology/201โฆ).
If you need to make sure all your posts stay online, you can set up your own server. It doesn't require tech skills and it doesn't require much money either.
Managed hosting costs $5 per month for a single person with the hosting company doing all the techy stuff for you. I encourage people to do this with help and links to providers at growyourown.services/grow-yourโฆ
Myspace loses all content uploaded before 2016
Alex Hern (The Guardian)David
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •@elduvelle
I love the tips, but making the case that it's cheap enough for an individual to do it only strengthens my case that institutions can and should offer this service for free
Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to David • • •@drdrowland @elduvelle
It would be great if they did that, yes. It would be a bit like in the early days of the web when people were often given free web pages by ISPs, universities, community groups etc ๐
The price per instance also becomes a lot cheaper if a provider hosts lots of instances.
I guess question is which institutions would offer this?
David
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •@elduvelle
Yes, which indeed. And which will be next?
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in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •@elduvelle
i think instances should be able to refuse migration, if it is too big to handle.
I still think that true federation requires the possibility to move everything, posts included, in 3 clicks.
Purple
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Jonas
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in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Sensitive content
i tried to open the follow-up post, but was greeted with this:
Iโm pretty sure iโve seen this exact thing before, and itโs like, lol. also ironic how someone named โCensors are Cultistsโ is hosted on an instance that engages in geoblocking, i.e. censorship
Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to kimapr โญ • • •Sensitive content
@kimapr
You can see it archived at web.archive.org/web/2025081416โฆ
Censors are Cultists (@CensorsAreCultists@mastodon.cloud)
mastodon.cloudKonakona
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in reply to Konakona • • •@konakona
If you let people spread lies about vulnerable minorities, it leads to real world discrimination, violence and murder.
How does someone ignore it when people are physically attacking them in the street?
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in reply to Konakona • • •@konakona
If I don't give at least one example, some people will assume I'm exaggerating or overdoing it when saying it's racism. They'll say they've never seen anything like that and demand proof.
I tried to pick one example that was most clearly racist.
Konakona
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •marzuq mรคrzenbecher
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •๐๏ธ @RaulKrauthausen @exnocte @MissPla @durst
#MastodonCloud
0tracas๐ธ
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •โ ๏ธ Mise en garde importante si vous รชtes sur le serveur mastodon.cloud :
ยซMastodon.cloud ne semble plus รชtre modรฉrรฉ. Son compte administrateur n'a pas postรฉ depuis fรฉvrier 2023, son code de conduite est vide et d'ignobles racistes y postent. Les racistes ont รฉtรฉ signalรฉs ร plusieurs reprises, mais leurs comptes sont toujours actifs.
ร cause de cela, d'autres administrateurs de serveurs commencent ร bloquer complรจtement mastodon.cloud.ยป
Si vous รชtes sur mastodon.cloud, vous devriez peut-รชtre changer de serveur au plus vite : fedi.tips/transferring-your-maโฆ
Transferring your Mastodon account to another server | Fedi.Tips โ An Unofficial Guide to Mastodon and the Fediverse
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Calaad
in reply to 0tracas๐ธ • • •A noter que lorsqu'on migre son compte ainsi, on migre les comptes qu'on suit et ceux qui nous suivent, mais pas les posts eux-mรชme.
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Please note that when you migrate your account in this way, you migrate the accounts you follow and those who follow you, but not the posts themselves.
Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to Calaad • • •@calaad
Yup, I've tried to cover this in the guide.
Marcus
in reply to Calaad • • •Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to Marcus • • •That might or might not work depending on whether the server shutting down sends out a deletion command. Many of them do this to tidy away posts from accounts that no longer exist.
You can download a personal archive of your posts but there's currently no way to upload this onto Mastodon:
โก๏ธ fedi.tips/how-to-download-yourโฆ
There may be other Fediverse platforms that allow Mastodon archive uploads in the future, Firefish experimented with this at one point.
How to export and download your Mastodon post archive | Fedi.Tips โ An Unofficial Guide to Mastodon and the Fediverse
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in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • — (55.6702490 10.3333283) • •Alright, maybe instead one could quote share the posts on Friendica and then refer to that account on Mastodon, or possibly boost those quote shared posts. That is until Mastodon itself gains the quote share functionality. I would assume those would not be deleted by that operation?
Or perhaps in that case one may as well script reposting them all, losing the original timestamps but retaining the content, and maybe copy over the original timestamp at the start or bottom of the post. But then one should move to an instance with a greater character limit for those posts that are already maxing out the character limit or close to it.
Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to Marcus • • •@marcusxms @calaad
There are sites that let you display your Masto archive online as a website, you could refer to these on your new account?
Alternatively, a script could possibly repost the archive to your new account? But it would probably be rate-limited by the new server as someone posting potentially thousands of posts might overwhelm the server's resources.
(This was one of the problems on Firefish's experiment, it overwhelmed the server when the archive being uploaded was large.)
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in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Thanks for the info! Yes it could certainly overwhelm a server, so the scripting should deliberately slow it down so it reposts one post every 5 seconds or something. Then the migration takes a lot longer, but still.
...and then it should be shared as "quiet public" to not overwhelm the timeline on the server and the timelines of one's followers.
Tim Chambers
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Indieweb.Social
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in reply to Thibaultmol ๐ • • •@thibaultmol
Yeah. I'm posting because there are legitimate non-problematic accounts which joined mastodon.cloud while it was still moderated and don't realise what has happened since then. Hopefully they hear about this and move.
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in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •TheCanadian.Social
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in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •David Fleetwood - RG Admin
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in reply to David Fleetwood - RG Admin • • •@reflex
Yeah, it seems to be unmaintained, yet another reason to leave.
GunChleoc
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •GunChleoc (@gunchleoc@mastodon.scot)
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in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Jon (has moved)
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in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Brendan Kinney
in reply to MFennVT has moved • • •@mfennvt Thanks for sharing this, as it hadn't crossed my radar. I will block it at the server level as a precaution.
Yours truly,
Vermont.Masto Admin ๐
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in reply to Brendan Kinney • • •Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
Unknown parent • • •Sensitive content
Here you go:
mastodon.cloud/@CensorsAreCultโฆ
This account has been reported many many many times over a long period.
Also noteworthy that it is able to boost posts from openly racist pro-Nazi instances because mastodon.cloud doesn't block them.
Its latest post claims black people are a different species ๐คฎ The account couldn't be more racist.
They just deleted another post they made but fortunately I managed to archive it: web.archive.org/web/2025081413โฆ
Censors are Cultists (@CensorsAreCultists@mastodon.cloud)
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nicole mikoลajczyk @ kutno kommunikation kongress
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in reply to nicole mikoลajczyk @ kutno kommunikation kongress • • •llatan
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in reply to Egon Willighagen • • •Egon Willighagen
in reply to @SLURF Server Admin • • •@SLURF dank, zie ook social.growyourown.services/@Fโฆ
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in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •We have suspended them already
Rina
Admin @ tootworld.social
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in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Be More Kind
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in reply to Joseph Quattrocchi • • •It's not collective punishment, don't be ridiculous. It's an individual's right and responsibility to choose an instance, and move instances if they don't like how it behaves.
You're infantilising Fedi members by claiming they have no agency or ability or alternatives.
Also, mastodon.cloud isn't even updating its own software any more, it's several updates behind the latest supported versions. This is not good for its members, it means security holes may not be fixed.
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in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to Joseph Quattrocchi • • •It's not a dependable instance. Its software isn't up to date, there may be bugs that put its users in danger.
The admin hasn't posted in 2.5 years, that is not a sign of dependability.
Quite often instances where the admin stops communicating for years may vanish without warning.
"Brigading isn't punishing a negligent admin "
It's not about punishing anyone, it's warning people that they are on an abandoned instance. Would you rather they weren't warned?
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in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to Joseph Quattrocchi • • •The stuff being posted on mastodon.cloud is vile, utterly disgusting sewage. It is saying certain racial groups are subhuman, it is saying that skin colour reflects intellectual ability.
If mastodon.cloud are unwilling or unable to moderate ethnic hatred, even when it's been reported to them by many people over several months, then they shouldn't be running an instance at all.
If my instance was allowing such crap, I would want to be told about it so that I could leave.
Joseph Quattrocchi
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •El Duvelle
in reply to Joseph Quattrocchi • • •Joseph Quattrocchi
in reply to El Duvelle • • •El Duvelle
in reply to Joseph Quattrocchi • • •@quattrocchi
The recourse and constructive path forward is to properly moderate the instance.. Do you know the mod(s) and do you have any way to contact them?
El Duvelle
in reply to El Duvelle • • •Joseph Quattrocchi
in reply to El Duvelle • • •Joseph Quattrocchi
in reply to El Duvelle • • •El Duvelle
in reply to Joseph Quattrocchi • • •@quattrocchi
Well, the users making these moderation choices instead of a single, centralised entity is a feature of the fediverse.. each server chooses what they want to moderate and, fortunately, most people here are against racism and similar kinds of ignorant discriminations.
Regarding threads etc., most of the fediverse doesn't want their posts sucked out and their data exploited by for-profit companies, so they'll want to block those too.
I'm afraid you can't have the advantages of a decentralised, ad-free, safe system without also having a few limitations.. Maybe the solution if you want access to "everything" is to have separate accounts for each of these.
PS: I definitely agree that being unable to migrate posts (and boosts) is pretty annoying. Hopefully a solution can be eventually found to that.
Joseph Quattrocchi
in reply to El Duvelle • • •@elduvelle Mastodon.cloud has been funded, interoperable, decentralized, ad-free, but I don't read every post on the server to know about every rule violation. It is not a hate site.
Would people dump their children if they mistakenly made a racist comment? Should a school be defunded and closed down if a student made a racist comment? Society has a hard problem but the solution cannot be total destruction of institutions and bridges.
El Duvelle
in reply to Joseph Quattrocchi • • •There's a difference between generalising bad intent from a single user to their server (that's bad) and assuming lack of good intent from a server if they don't moderate their bad users (that's fair enough IMO).
"Would people dump their children if they mistakenly made a racist comment?"
Probably not, if it happened once and then the child was told off and stopped; but if the child was repeatedly, and purposely, making racist comments in public, and the parents did nothing, other people would be fully justified if they didn't want to talk to the children or the parents.
"Should a school be defunded and closed down if a student made a racist comment?" Again, not if it happened once and then stopped because the school took action, but if a school repeatedly allowed their students to make racist comments then yes I hope it would be closed and defunded.
In the case of your server... We seem to be in the 2nd case, repeated racist, nazi-supporting posts without action from the server (see this account:
... Show more...There's a difference between generalising bad intent from a single user to their server (that's bad) and assuming lack of good intent from a server if they don't moderate their bad users (that's fair enough IMO).
"Would people dump their children if they mistakenly made a racist comment?"
Probably not, if it happened once and then the child was told off and stopped; but if the child was repeatedly, and purposely, making racist comments in public, and the parents did nothing, other people would be fully justified if they didn't want to talk to the children or the parents.
"Should a school be defunded and closed down if a student made a racist comment?" Again, not if it happened once and then stopped because the school took action, but if a school repeatedly allowed their students to make racist comments then yes I hope it would be closed and defunded.
In the case of your server... We seem to be in the 2nd case, repeated racist, nazi-supporting posts without action from the server (see this account: mastodon.cloud/@CensorsAreCultโฆ). It has been around for a very long time and is clearly, horribly racist. Why was it not suspended? That's really bad. Do you really want to be on a server that supports this person and their propaganda?
Joseph Quattrocchi
in reply to El Duvelle • • •@elduvelle โNever attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.โ Moderating thousands or billions of users is impossible to do perfectly. We cannot ascribe every accountโs behavior to a siteโs founder or admin.
Most parents would not dump their own children ever even if the child were racist. A difficult dilemma if others want to hurt your child for any reason.
If racism were the redline, schools like Stanford would have to be closed and defunded.
El Duvelle
in reply to El Duvelle • • •Joseph Quattrocchi
in reply to El Duvelle • • •Joseph Quattrocchi
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
in reply to Joseph Quattrocchi • • •Joseph Quattrocchi
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in reply to Joseph Quattrocchi • • •@quattrocchi @toriver
Can you please stop using such ludicrous hyperbolic terms for what is just a server block on a federated network where people can move to different servers?
"executing a totalitarian cleansing"? Can you hear yourself? Are you serious or are you a troll?
Real life actual totalitarianism rises when lies about vulnerable groups are allowed to spread widely. Vulnerable groups get attacked and murdered in real life because of such lies: social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/…
@quattrocchi @toriver
Can you please stop using such ludicrous hyperbolic terms for what is just a server block on a federated network where people can move to different servers?
"executing a totalitarian cleansing"? Can you hear yourself? Are you serious or are you a troll?
Real life actual totalitarianism rises when lies about vulnerable groups are allowed to spread widely. Vulnerable groups get attacked and murdered in real life because of such lies: social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/โฆ
FediThing
2024-06-08 13:35:46
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Joseph Quattrocchi
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
in reply to Joseph Quattrocchi • • •Joseph Quattrocchi
in reply to Tor Iver Wilhelmsen • • •Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
in reply to Joseph Quattrocchi • • •Joseph Quattrocchi
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in reply to Joseph Quattrocchi • • •@quattrocchi
No one is stopping anyone using mastodon.cloud.
All that is being suggested is people might want to move off it because it seems to be no longer maintained or moderated.
2something
in reply to Joseph Quattrocchi • • •Do you actually seriously believe your instance with 2000 users is a "common carrier?"
In any case, the about page of mastodon.cloud says your instance admins have completely defederated 393 instances, so if you actually believed what you were saying you would not want to stay on mastodon.cloud.
mastodon.cloud/about
mastodon.cloud
Mastodon hosted on mastodon.cloudTor Iver Wilhelmsen
in reply to Joseph Quattrocchi • • •2something
in reply to Joseph Quattrocchi • • •mastodon.cloud/about
mastodon.cloud
Mastodon hosted on mastodon.cloudleftic
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in reply to DT! Comic HAS MOVED • • •@designthinkingcomic
If you want help with moving please feel free to ask! (I've tried to make the guide as easy as possible, and answer common questions, but guides aren't as useful as direct answers.)
Furbland's Very Cool Accountโข
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Unknown parent • • •@AnhedonicHedonist
Yeah, that leads into a weird tale about money:
social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/…
Does make one wonder where the money is coming from and why they seemed to disappear after making a super-large donation.
And even if they couldn't be bothered to moderate, why would they stop updating the software? There are plenty of hosts who will do updates automatically for a small monthly fee.
None of it makes sense.
@AnhedonicHedonist
Yeah, that leads into a weird tale about money:
social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/โฆ
Does make one wonder where the money is coming from and why they seemed to disappear after making a super-large donation.
And even if they couldn't be bothered to moderate, why would they stop updating the software? There are plenty of hosts who will do updates automatically for a small monthly fee.
None of it makes sense.
FediThing
2025-08-15 12:38:10
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Unknown parent • • •@volcano
Yes! There are simple non-technical step-by-step instructions here:
โก๏ธ fedi.tips/transferring-your-maโฆ
If you want any help with this please ask ๐
Transferring your Mastodon account to another server | Fedi.Tips โ An Unofficial Guide to Mastodon and the Fediverse
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Unknown parent • • •Thanks for the digging. If they are still updating makes it very odd that they stopped there, as the Masto developers specifically warn about no security patches to that branch since April 2025.
(And why are they on such an old branch anyway? And if they're updating why aren't they moderating?)
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Unknown parent • • •@neontapir
Fine to report errors anywhere, thanks for taking the time! ๐
Which step(s) of the guide are you referring to?
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Unknown parent • • •Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
Unknown parent • • •@neontapir
Aaah, yeah, I see what you mean!
It is sort of confusing that there's a main "Preferences" option in the general interface but then also a "preferences" section on the Preferences page.
Maybe they should rename it "Settings" for one and "Preferences" for the other?
Thanks for this, it is really useful to hear how people see the interface from their point of view.
Joseph Quattrocchi
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Unknown parent • • •@midtsveen @admin
Yeah, a silence is applied to that instance
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Unknown parent • • •Good god... are you sure? ๐ฌ
Pawoo is apparently defederated by many servers for illegal material: tweaking.thebad.space/locationโฆ
Is it really being run by the same people as mastodon.cloud? That's horrifying.
The Bad Space | Location Info
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Unknown parent • • •@janggolan
If a server's moderation team is not responding to requests to moderate, and it hasn't posted in over 2 years, and its server software is running on a very out of date version, that implies the server isn't being actively maintained.
If the material to be moderated is extremely serious, and the server admin doesn't respond to multiple reports over several months, then the next step is typically defederation.
There is no other option if the server itself won't respond.
Joseph Quattrocchi
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Unknown parent • • •@janggolan
"Why can't individual accounts just block each other as they have on other services?"
Here is why, explained in one short post: social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/โฆ
FediThing
2024-06-08 13:35:46
katherine montalto
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in reply to katherine montalto • • •It's okay, you can move your account to another server and keep your followers, follows, bookmarks, lists, mutes and blocks. Also, your old posts will redirect people to your new account if you do the transfer process.
There's a step by step non-technical guide here which also advises on how to find a new server: fedi.tips/transferring-your-maโฆ
Let me know if you want help with any part of the transfer!
Transferring your Mastodon account to another server | Fedi.Tips โ An Unofficial Guide to Mastodon and the Fediverse
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in reply to katherine montalto • • •@katherine_montalto
That's why I set up fedi.garden to try to highlight the servers that have been around a long time and are well-run. Some of the servers listed have been around since 2017, and all of them have active moderation and promise three months warning if they ever shut down.
Mastodon has a similar official server list at joinmastodon.org/servers which also requires servers to have active moderation and promise three months warning if they ever decide to shut down.
Fedi.Garden
fedi.gardenkatherine montalto
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Joseph Quattrocchi
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in reply to Joseph Quattrocchi • • •Maybe you would like to read this thread about a black grandfather living in terror and being threatened in the street because of poor moderation:
social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/…
Or maybe you would like to see this article about a massacre due to poor moderation:
thebureauinvestigates.com/stor…
Or a genocide exacerbated by poor moderation:
theguardian.com/technology/202…
Unmoderated social networks put innocent people in danger and get them killed. Even people who aren't online are in danger.
... Show more...Maybe you would like to read this thread about a black grandfather living in terror and being threatened in the street because of poor moderation:
social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/โฆ
Or maybe you would like to see this article about a massacre due to poor moderation:
thebureauinvestigates.com/storโฆ
Or a genocide exacerbated by poor moderation:
theguardian.com/technology/202โฆ
Unmoderated social networks put innocent people in danger and get them killed. Even people who aren't online are in danger.
Rohingya sue Facebook for ยฃ150bn over Myanmar genocide
Dan Milmo (The Guardian)FediThing
2025-08-20 12:17:55
Joseph Quattrocchi
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •Rina
in reply to Fedi.Tips ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •So, I had to contact the owner of mastodon.cloud with no responsible. They might be in a long hiatus or they quitted moderating it and left it like that
We have suspended it on our end but thanks. Keep up the good work