You remember #Apple scanning all images on your #mobile device?

If you have an #Android #phone, a new app that doesn't appear in your menu has been automatically and silently installed (or soon will be) by #Google. It is called #AndroidSystemSafetyCore and does exactly the same - scan all images on your device as well as all incoming ones (via messaging). The new spin is that it does so "to protect your #privacy".

You can uninstall this app safely via System -> Apps.

developers.google.com/android/…

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in reply to Deborah Preuss, pcc 🇨🇦

@deborahh @mayintoronto Likewise.
BTW: This guide explains more about it, and where to disable "Android System Intelligence":
androidauthority.com/android-s…
#Android

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@sbb @deborahh @mayintoronto maybe I'm just naïve about this, but why the panic? android system intelligence isn't some evil spyware, it literally just provides Live Caption and a couple other things that work completely offline. i get the suspicion bc its google but this feels more reactionary than genuine concern
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@mral It seems that #Murena and thus #Fairphone is available in the USA:

murena.com/america/products/sm…

I can't say that much about Murena and their (degoogled) OS, but I've been a happy Fairphone user for almost a decade now (both #degoogled and stock).

#CalyxOS is a good OS choice, check out their supported devices:

calyxos.org/docs/guide/device-…

#GrapheneOS looks pretty good, too - but it only runs on google's pixel (which admittedly is one of the most open phones around).

grapheneos.org/

in reply to jack

I'm not a big Google fan but this doesn't look the same. It is a feature released in October to (e.g.) mask unsolicited dick pics in RCS chat., disabled by default. Obligatory your threat model != my threat model.

security.googleblog.com/2024/1…
"...doesn’t allow Google access to the contents of your images, nor does Google know that nudity may have been detected"

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in reply to jack

i'm confused why this is an issue, this seems to be very different from what apple tried to do? according to google's blog post it's just on-device to provide automatic content warnings in google messages, nothing's ever sent back to google
> All of this happens on-device to protect your privacy and keep end-to-end encrypted message content private to only sender and recipient. Sensitive Content Warnings doesn’t allow Google access to the contents of your images, nor does Google know that nudity may have been detected. This feature is opt-in for adults, managed via Android Settings, and is opt-out for users under 18 years of age
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@skribe @larsmb i use google messages as my default sms app - i definitely prefer to use things like signal, discord, etc when possible! but for random things like texting someone to pick up something from craigslist or getting 2 factor auth codes it's unfortunately still a thing i have to use
although, i do use it through beeper, so i barely ever open the actual messages app - i find that makes the experience a lot nicer
in reply to jack

Hi @jack, not loving #Google at all (see my bio) but to be fair, there seems to be a substantial difference between this and what #Apple wanted to do: Google says none of the scanning results will ever leave your device, even positive ones. No law enforcement notification. No server-side collection. It seems to basically be an advanced local #spam filter for #RCS text messages.

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in reply to jack

You remember Apple succumbing to public pressure and quietly never implementing it in the first place?

Edit: I’m gonna make a big addendum to this comment. While Apple *did* scrap plans for CSAM detection due to public pressure, they did implement an on-device mechanism for blurring “sensitive content.” A feature much like the one on Android in the original post here, although I’ve yet to find much transparency on the Android apps’ workings. This on-device functionality works like face detection, so if you’re okay with that there’s little reason to be alarmed.

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in reply to jack

Welcome to my FUD list.

To cite Google (via the page you linked):

Sensitive Content Warnings is an optional feature that blurs images that may contain nudity before viewing, and then prompts with a “speed bump” that contains help-finding resources and options, including to view the content. When the feature is enabled, and an image that may contain nudity is about to be sent or forwarded, it also provides a speed bump to remind users of the risks of sending nude imagery and preventing accidental shares.

All of this happens on-device to protect your privacy and keep end-to-end encrypted message content private to only sender and recipient. Sensitive Content Warnings doesn’t allow Google access to the contents of your images, nor does Google know that nudity may have been detected. This feature is opt-in for adults, managed via Android Settings, and is opt-out for users under 18 years of age. Sensitive Content Warnings will be rolling out to Android 9+ devices including Android Go devices with Google Messages in the coming months.

in reply to jack

See grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/….


The functionality provided by Google's new Android System SafetyCore app available through the Play Store is covered here:

security.googleblog.com/2024/1…

Neither this app or the Google Messages app using it are part of GrapheneOS and neither will be, but GrapheneOS users can choose to install and use both. Google Messages still works without the new app.

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@agatha @ics also here grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/…


The functionality provided by Google's new Android System SafetyCore app available through the Play Store is covered here:

security.googleblog.com/2024/1…

Neither this app or the Google Messages app using it are part of GrapheneOS and neither will be, but GrapheneOS users can choose to install and use both. Google Messages still works without the new app.

in reply to jack

grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/…


The functionality provided by Google's new Android System SafetyCore app available through the Play Store is covered here:

security.googleblog.com/2024/1…

Neither this app or the Google Messages app using it are part of GrapheneOS and neither will be, but GrapheneOS users can choose to install and use both. Google Messages still works without the new app.

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@CatHerder @DelilahTech @blitzen

for anyone, not just people i am replying to:

what i did was go to the Google Play store and search for Android SafetyCore

when it found the app in the store, i was given the "uninstall' option

that was how i located and removed it - search did not help -
i'm sure there are other ways! but this was easiest for me and maybe others too

in reply to jack

what this does is: local powered KI detector for spam and nudity.
grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/…


The app doesn't provide client-side scanning used to report things to Google or anyone else. It provides on-device machine learning models usable by applications to classify content as being spam, scams, malware, etc. This allows apps to check content locally without sharing it with a service and mark it with warnings for users.
in reply to jack

That is actually a rather poor description of what it does. Basically, the app is one that prevents dick pics.

It scans incoming images, and if it thinks they're nudes, then it shows a content warning message along with the blurred image. Additionally, it scans outgoing images and if it thinks they're nudes, it gives you the option to not send them.

However, all this scanning is done entirely on your own device, it doesn't send anything anywhere.

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@courtcan @CatHerder @DelilahTech @blitzen

this happened to my friend - no sign of it in the search or in the app store, as of about 3pm CST today. (i did my search and removal several hours ago..)

i have no clue what's up with this.

anyway, i hope people are able to find it and remove it

in reply to jack

As long as it happens on the device only (and that’s what Google claims) that’s ok. However, I have little trust in Google never changing it mind and sending the photos to their servers to analyze. I also don’t have a trust in them never sending metadata (this is something they didn’t mention at all – I don’t know if they do it or not). Why would they know how often I send and receive nudes?
in reply to jack

while the incorrect explanation of what the app does plus the framing of the post raises my skepticism by quite a bit, I'm surprised that you didn't provide a Google Play link to the app which will give most people an easily accessible uninstall button.

Anyways, here's the app on the Google Play store if somebody wants to see if the app is installed on their device and if they want to uninstall it:

play.google.com/store/apps/det…

in reply to jack

where did you get this information? The only info I could find was this here: androidauthority.com/google-me…

Where the explanation isn't about privacy really..

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@ParadeGrotesque @CatHerder @blitzen „Android“ is enough, the list of apps starting with „Android“ isn't that long.

It's there and it's freaking me out: Google, pushing something I didn't ask for, and not even telling me is no way to go. Next phone will be a Huawei one without Android!

in reply to jack

OMG what a mess of a post..
DO NOT uninstall this app, unless you want to lose signature verification of APKs and open yourself to malicious app sideloading.
The SystemSafetyCore has NOTHING to do with CSAM scanning or anything similar to Apple's photo verification proposal. The proposed image scanning (on-device only) is being added to the Google Messages app itself, not to any system service apps.
Just a heads up - do not uninstall apps just because someone on the internet told you so.