It's Time to Wake Up: A Darknet Anarchist's Case for Anonymity & Digital Safety


in reply to RisingSwell

The hated one youtube.com/watch?v=4Dei2buz1X… of making your phone not get tracked, and the main point is that it'll keep tracking you no matter what if the sim card is in it.

EDIT: Even with the sim card removed, it can ping towers to due to the emergency call feature (airplane mode may or may not temporarily disable the pinging). The only way to be sure you're not being tracked is to a put a phone in a faraday bag.

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in reply to ProdigalFrog

From grapheneos.org/faq#cellular-tr…

"Connecting to your carrier's network inherently depends on you identifying yourself to it and anyone able to obtain administrative access. Activating airplane mode will fully disable the cellular radio transmit and receive capabilities, which will prevent your phone from being reached from the cellular network and stop your carrier (and anyone impersonating them to you) from tracking the device via the cellular radio. The baseband implements other functionality such as Wi-Fi and GPS functionality, but each of these components is separately sandboxed on the baseband and independent of each other. Enabling airplane mode disables the cellular radio, but Wi-Fi can be re-enabled and used without activating the cellular radio again. This allows using the device as a Wi-Fi only device."

This behavior has been independently verified by security researchers

Related discussion: discuss.grapheneos.org/d/16284…

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in reply to RisingSwell

It's been a while since I saw the video, but looking at it again, he seems to trust that taking out a sim card and turning on airplane mode will render the phone untrackable, but as Povoq mentioned in another response, even without a sim card it would still be trackable, since the phone would still be pinging towers so it can make emergency calls, which is a good point.

I think realistically the only way to have a phone on your person and truly 100% know you're not being tracked with it is by putting it in a faraday bag/cage, and knowing that the moment you take it out, your location will likely be known to varying degrees.

in reply to SolarPunker

I suppose an old 2g phone would be safe since they shut down the 2g networks, AFAIK, but those aren't particularly useful as a non-phone device 😛

There's quite a few small handheld laptop/computers on the market now like the Mecha Comet or ClockworkPi which only have wifi and bluetooth, I think those would be pretty safe. (Could also make one, like this)

Open hardware would be great. AFAIK there is currently no open-source cellular radio hardware on the market.

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in reply to db0

in reply to MalReynolds

MalReynolds,

So, your key takeaway seems to be getting an untraceable phone number.


Absolutely incorrect. I do not recommend using a phone at all. I do not recommend using services that require a phone number at all.
I found the clearnet version for you to read: anarsec.guide/posts/nophones/

From my point of view the options are grapheneOS with no sim, permanently on airplane mode, or no "phone" at all.

The point of my post was purely to point out the challenges and problems, and to get people in /c/resist open to rethinking and making changes to their relationship with technology. Not to use phone numbers, monero, or XMPP. The bit about anonymous signal was a side tangent not the "key takeaway". Please re-read if you are interested in engaging further.

You asked for feedback.


I did not post this here, the owner of the instance took it upon himself to make this post. I asked for feedback from active resisters who need help, not privacy forum posters.

Hope you are well

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in reply to Illegal_Computer

Fair enough, I got the wrong impression with the post (which I did read) finishing with

It is not impossible to circumvent these issues, for instance by paying for a jmp.chat phone number with monero XMR. In this case you don’t actually have the sim, but rather access it remotely over XMPP. If you do this over Tor very little can be used against you.


and so on, which I found wanting from a privacy perspective at the implied threat level. No phones (or perhaps faraday bags, or aircraft mode, if tested, depending on threat model) is a much more astute take home, hence the spycraft suggestion.

Anyhow, best of luck.

in reply to 野麦さん

Ask yourself how you feel about this? How much would freedom, privacy, and anonymity be worth to you? Many realize the situation is dire, but are preoccupied with trying to survive the next rent payment, and are do not have the knowledge necessary to resist.


You don't need to bin your phone, you just need to start using it more strategically. Different phones for different things if you can, or move only absolutely necessary things to the phone and keep sensitive data elsewhere if not.

ETA: Actually I just read some comments and apparently yeah OP thinks you should bin your phone

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in reply to JustAnotherKay

JustAnotherKay,

My post was addressed at US residents engaging in "terrorism" by resisting the regime.
We are being disappeared, deported, and imprisoned with zero due process or legal recourse simply for speaking out. Every day brings increasingly brazen impunity.
You should definitely not use a phone if this is your situation.
I did not intend this message for normal privacy fans in free places.

Hope you are well

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in reply to db0