So let me get this straight: First, it was Elon. Now, it is Mark. Two guys are removing all moderation rules on social media. And are people asking another billionaire to build alternative social media? Do you even hear yourself? That is not going to fix anything. Maybe we should go back to the days of blogs, mailing lists, individual forums, and RSS feeds and end this madness of centralized social media apart from the federation. Iβm just saying
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Jarno
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in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •yes and I donβt know what we should do with that realisation. But we should stop acting like things are going to get better because people will wake up or something. That is just not going to happen anytime soon.
(I think people in general will have to find out the hard way)
haui
in reply to Jarno • • •@jarno maybe I gave up but I think people are codependent and will always err to dictatorship after having lived under (late capitalism) dictatorship.
What we need isnt freedom. First it is a shoulder to cry on. That should be science imho. We need a rule of science, not greed.
mmby
in reply to haui • • •@haui @jarno imo, if any science can save us, it won't be the 'hard' sciences that the people who are doing these things are self-professed fans of
it will be humanities and empirical sciences like sociology, psychology
the problems are in our heads and the sociotechnical systems we have created (and I think they interact to our disadvantage)
CJ Paloma says Brrrrr
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hard agree.
When people "get" how much we are indoctrinated into our values and priorities via socializationβ¦it's a game changer. my favorite example is how millions of US soldiers went to "fight against fascism" in WWII, and came home and continued to oppress certain groupsβ¦without any self awareness.
to paraphrase: it's the social hierarchies, stupid.
Hint: all cultures touched by colonization will have lots of sick values baked right into them.
Wilfried Klaebe
in reply to haui • • •@haui I agree. But Science is what the GOPtards are actively attacking right now.
@jarno @nixCraft
haui
in reply to Wilfried Klaebe • • •@wonka @jarno well of course they are. What else should they do? Have you seen idiocracy? Thats not science fiction or comedy. Thats the US of A, today. That and βdont look upβ should be mandatory for every person in the US to watch, hell in the world, until the situation improves.
My suggestion: inform and organize yourselves with local groups and start legal proceedings as well as protests against these knuckleheads.
Jarno
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in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •Jamie Knight
in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •"Maybe THIS billionaire won't be a libertarian whackjob huffing his own farts and he'll act in MY best interests..."
I mean, the rust belt voted for Trump a second term, hoping he'll help them out THIS time...
Gregory Vanderlaan
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in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •NHS is FCKD
in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •not just fact checking and moderation, but also throwing diversity rules to the side.
What we need to do is generate a culture where those sites and apps are seen as a culture of stupidity, unreliable for even basic information, we could even flood it with shitposts that make them unusable. (Though the latter seems pointless)
Bart Veldhuizen π
in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •Robert Berger
in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •Mastodon and Others are waiting for youπ
Toni Aittoniemi
in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •To fall from the top is the longest fall.
Leshy
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in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •xs4me2
in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •All these tools can and need to be open source and in the regulated public domain. We need to stop the grifting and the manipulationβ¦ it is getting out of hand.
#manipulation #fakenews #meta #X #opensource #socialmedia
Aho
in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •Axel Stieglbauer
in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •Book recommendation on this topic:
Doctorow, Cory (2023) - Internet Con. How to Seize the means of computation
craphound.com/category/interneβ¦
The Internet Con | Cory Doctorow's craphound.com
craphound.comPatrick Schmitz
in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •yes, they are removing moderation because of "free speech", and then start censoring the crap out of it.
Mention on FB or Instagram that you are leaving and then add a link to your pixelfed or mastodon account, apparently results in an instant ban.
Johannes Jacobs π³οΈβπ
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in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •Become a server and host sites for the resistance.
Hint: they aren't very smart and can't think outside the box. Don't use IO port 80.
Dark Photon Studio
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in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •Iβve started to see that open source, decentralised social media is the answer.
Although, social media in general is very much an amplification of people, and algorithms speed up the polarisation and echo chamber characteristics. Not sure how to fix that though π
Don Zeigler
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in reply to Tertle950 - Scrolling WMs da best • • •distributed social network based on software of the same name
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Daedalean
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in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •IMHO we should start using blogs, mailing lists, forums, and RSS feeds in addition to social media.
Perhaps we should use something like proper backups, 3-2-1. Three copies of your content, posted on two different media systems, with one copy kept on your own host site.
Maybe videos on YouTube, PeerTube, and through a torrent from local storage?
Blog posts on ko-fi, self hosted website, ???
David Usharauli
in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •SkipfordJ
in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •Good news! Blogs, mailing lists, forums, and RSS feeds haven't gone away! Both the tech and the usage are still there.
Rather than worrying about convincing people to leave siloed social media in large groups, I recommend moving over and using what you enjoy, so that when you're inevitably asked to help others do the same, you have the knowledge!
obscurestar
in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •WesDym
in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •What was fundamentally different before modern social media was that hosts and providers were only that, and did not profit from user content, so they had little motive other than policing to interfere with it.
Imagine if your phone company could profit from what you say on the phone, and how often, and who hears it. That's the reality we're in right now online. The profit motives of commercial hosts in a minimally regulated mediascape inescapably lead to such manipulation.
Skua
in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •Indeed.
And thank you for saying it in the Fediverse π
To be fair - I would not notice you in Mainstream Media either way.
Ryo
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in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •Mark Singer
in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •*Are* people asking this? I just may not be in the places to have heard such requests, but so far I haven't.
I'd also add IRC to your list, since it's still out there.
Boogiechildπ
in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •dawiidio
in reply to nixCraft π§ • • •But as someone already mentioned, the problem is in discoverability - itβs really hard to break through google. Also, more recent problem, AI scrapping. And law is far behind it, or decides to be far behind because it is profitable.
Somewhere I hope we are entering the post-social-media era, and ppl will turn more to real world.
stony kark
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