buddy, there are not vegan substitutes for my grandma's bugguong, and yes worms are likely to be a better substitute. if duolingo still doesn't have any of my mom's ancestors' languages, i don't have a lot of hope for beyond meat
literally just fucking TVP (something that has existed since the 60's) is perfectly fine as a substitute for most of the things people actually eat, like any time you're using ground meat you can just swap that with TVP mince and it's about as big of a difference as between different kinds of meat.
yup. the real solution has nothing to do with whatever the fuck individuals are eating when we have useless corporations using insane amount of resources that arent even needed. but we'll shame the individual plastic use, food choices, etc etc. dont let them do their propaganda, we can discuss individual choices once the corps arent doing 99.99% of the damage
yea and can u guess who lobbies and maintains and pushes beef? its corporations again. they do all that to maintain the beef industry, even if consumers started boycotting the same thing that happened to fashion industry would happen. they'd happily throw their clothes in a dump and get new ones. bc the money is coming from government and they need a tiny fraction in profits to be successful enough to survive. the solution is not what the fuck someone eats, considering individual choice beyond their political support is useless bc it takes valuable resource of just the discussion away from the problem. the corporations
I know that but have you ever talked about this to rural Americans? They will need to be convinced that beef is too heavy a part of the American diet and that by removing subsidies it will help the climate and public health. They need to be convinced that there exists protein that isn't animal based and that they may actually like it.
The corporations push it, but even if they don't the masses are rabid
beef has been pushed politically and economically by the government and corporations for 4 centuries in america. its just as much as a core part of american imperalism as is their war cimes. beef has been marked as an american pride thing and it continues to be that. i dont have solution on how that can be changed, we can try organizing, protesting, reducing beef production and subsidies to start but i dont have a full plan on trying to end this century-long propaganda.
the only thing i can say for sure is that telling people to just change diets isnt a real solution, our voices can never be as loud as marketing and subsidies. and we cant possibly bring massive change for something as core to america as beef by just telling people to stop consuming it. it will be a gradual but political and higher level change than individual level change. i wouldnt stand in the way of those who do boycott obviously, but its always important to realize that spreading a message is a valuable and limited currency, so first political action (i.e. protests, organizing, communal work, maybe votin
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beef has been pushed politically and economically by the government and corporations for 4 centuries in america. its just as much as a core part of american imperalism as is their war cimes. beef has been marked as an american pride thing and it continues to be that. i dont have solution on how that can be changed, we can try organizing, protesting, reducing beef production and subsidies to start but i dont have a full plan on trying to end this century-long propaganda.
the only thing i can say for sure is that telling people to just change diets isnt a real solution, our voices can never be as loud as marketing and subsidies. and we cant possibly bring massive change for something as core to america as beef by just telling people to stop consuming it. it will be a gradual but political and higher level change than individual level change. i wouldnt stand in the way of those who do boycott obviously, but its always important to realize that spreading a message is a valuable and limited currency, so first political action (i.e. protests, organizing, communal work, maybe voting) then consumer choice discussion
Unsustainable consumerism is a big part of this problem and if we continue to give them even more money to lobby against us, we have already lost.
The belief that consumer habits don't need to change and that everything can be solved by just voting for the right party every 4 years is not based in reality. I wish it was this easy.
If people buy and drive gas cars when they don't have to, they are perpetuating the fossil fuel industry. If people choose to buy factory farmed products, they are funding factory farming with their money.
The sustainable options like electric cars and plant based alternatives also need demand to compete with the much more destructive counterparts. We have to push for the solutions, not finance the problems.
Can you think of a more profit-friendly message than "Just keep on consuming more, it's fine, don't question the consequences, keep up the status quo"? I can't.
I'm pretty sure most vegans define veganism as "avoiding the exploitation, harm, or commodification of animals as far as is practicable." The fact that this includes humans is usually intentional.
But I can accept that some humans are harming animals at such massive scales that it really would be better for everyone if they were stopped.
Earthworms and crickets (and possibly other critters) are a great alternative to traditional meat because they thrive in small, compact spaces favored by capitalism. I would really appreciate it if they caught on so that they'd be commonly available and cheap, and then we could maybe outlaw torture of animals without everyone whining about how meat would become too expensive and they'd all starve to death.
I know someone is going to say we should just all be vegan, but I think this hypothetical person needs to be realistic about achievable goals, harm reduction, and the Overton window.
Because they're meat, and lots of people are very insistent about eating meat. You've honestly got to downplay the ecological and ethical aspects a bit when marketing because some people really get their backs up about green shit. There's already a product where ground beef has been cut with ground vegetation, and I've had no trouble getting people with strong anti-vegan feelings to buy it because it's still meat, it's delicious, and it saves them money.
Also, not everyone has to do these things to make a positive impact. A relatively small percentage of adopters will cause market changes. It's great if more people become vegan, and it's also great if we slightly reduce demand for mammal meats. It's like that story about the guy trying to save starfish when the tide's gone out. (I'm pretty sure they can just walk into the sea on their own, but it's the spirit of the story that matters.)
that's fascinating. i was unfamiliar with tempeh and just read a bunch of wikipedia about it. i've been making my own tofu (usually out of black beans) for a while, but never tried tempeh.
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in reply to Match!! • • •There are vegan meat substitutes that are more than good enough for recreating meat dishes.
I bet Beyond meat is probably a more accurate replacement than worms for your grandmother's cooking. At least I hope so, for your family's sake.
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in reply to they_herd_owl_now • • •I know that but have you ever talked about this to rural Americans? They will need to be convinced that beef is too heavy a part of the American diet and that by removing subsidies it will help the climate and public health. They need to be convinced that there exists protein that isn't animal based and that they may actually like it.
The corporations push it, but even if they don't the masses are rabid
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in reply to captainlezbian • • •beef has been pushed politically and economically by the government and corporations for 4 centuries in america. its just as much as a core part of american imperalism as is their war cimes. beef has been marked as an american pride thing and it continues to be that. i dont have solution on how that can be changed, we can try organizing, protesting, reducing beef production and subsidies to start but i dont have a full plan on trying to end this century-long propaganda.
the only thing i can say for sure is that telling people to just change diets isnt a real solution, our voices can never be as loud as marketing and subsidies. and we cant possibly bring massive change for something as core to america as beef by just telling people to stop consuming it. it will be a gradual but political and higher level change than individual level change. i wouldnt stand in the way of those who do boycott obviously, but its always important to realize that spreading a message is a valuable and limited currency, so first political action (i.e. protests, organizing, communal work, maybe votin
... Show more...beef has been pushed politically and economically by the government and corporations for 4 centuries in america. its just as much as a core part of american imperalism as is their war cimes. beef has been marked as an american pride thing and it continues to be that. i dont have solution on how that can be changed, we can try organizing, protesting, reducing beef production and subsidies to start but i dont have a full plan on trying to end this century-long propaganda.
the only thing i can say for sure is that telling people to just change diets isnt a real solution, our voices can never be as loud as marketing and subsidies. and we cant possibly bring massive change for something as core to america as beef by just telling people to stop consuming it. it will be a gradual but political and higher level change than individual level change. i wouldnt stand in the way of those who do boycott obviously, but its always important to realize that spreading a message is a valuable and limited currency, so first political action (i.e. protests, organizing, communal work, maybe voting) then consumer choice discussion
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in reply to they_herd_owl_now • • •Unsustainable consumerism is a big part of this problem and if we continue to give them even more money to lobby against us, we have already lost.
The belief that consumer habits don't need to change and that everything can be solved by just voting for the right party every 4 years is not based in reality. I wish it was this easy.
If people buy and drive gas cars when they don't have to, they are perpetuating the fossil fuel industry. If people choose to buy factory farmed products, they are funding factory farming with their money.
The sustainable options like electric cars and plant based alternatives also need demand to compete with the much more destructive counterparts. We have to push for the solutions, not finance the problems.
Can you think of a more profit-friendly message than "Just keep on consuming more, it's fine, don't question the consequences, keep up the status quo"? I can't.
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in reply to stray • • •I'm pretty sure most vegans define veganism as "avoiding the exploitation, harm, or commodification of animals as far as is practicable." The fact that this includes humans is usually intentional.
But I can accept that some humans are harming animals at such massive scales that it really would be better for everyone if they were stopped.
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I guess we'll go eat worms...
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in reply to ɯᴉuoʇuɐ • • •Earthworms and crickets (and possibly other critters) are a great alternative to traditional meat because they thrive in small, compact spaces favored by capitalism. I would really appreciate it if they caught on so that they'd be commonly available and cheap, and then we could maybe outlaw torture of animals without everyone whining about how meat would become too expensive and they'd all starve to death.
I know someone is going to say we should just all be vegan, but I think this hypothetical person needs to be realistic about achievable goals, harm reduction, and the Overton window.
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in reply to trashgirlfriend • • •Because they're meat, and lots of people are very insistent about eating meat. You've honestly got to downplay the ecological and ethical aspects a bit when marketing because some people really get their backs up about green shit. There's already a product where ground beef has been cut with ground vegetation, and I've had no trouble getting people with strong anti-vegan feelings to buy it because it's still meat, it's delicious, and it saves them money.
Also, not everyone has to do these things to make a positive impact. A relatively small percentage of adopters will cause market changes. It's great if more people become vegan, and it's also great if we slightly reduce demand for mammal meats. It's like that story about the guy trying to save starfish when the tide's gone out. (I'm pretty sure they can just walk into the sea on their own, but it's the spirit of the story that matters.)
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