New: Proton, the company behind ProtonMail, emailed staff to say it will be 're-interviewing' workers about how they use AI. The implication is, if you're not using AI, or won't learn, you may lose your job. “These re-interviews are consequential,” a leaked email seen by 404 Media reads.
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in reply to Joltrast • • •Answer: @Tutanota
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I'm happy with tuta.
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in reply to eestileib (she/hers) • • •Louis Salkeld
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in reply to Joseph Cox • • •All the cope is exhausting.
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in reply to Joseph Cox • • •Druid
in reply to Joseph Cox • • •why not just incrementally improve the already solid products they have?
How much more really needs to be done that can’t be done by people?
I want secure and reliable, not more half-baked features.
Tristen Grant
in reply to Joseph Cox • • •paelnever
in reply to Tristen Grant • • •The point you are trying to make is that i'm against human workers? because that would be very funny.
Tristen Grant
in reply to paelnever • • •Duchamp Pérez
in reply to Tristen Grant • • •paelnever
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Ok so the commercial brand of multiple different tools you call "AI" supposedly is "against human workers". If you are blaming the technology itself why don't you blame also other technologies that could be considered also "against human workers"?. Did you hear about the poor manuscript copyist that loose their job because of the printing press? Do you read books written by hand or are you "against human workers"? The most funny of all is that many of those tools you call "AI" will NEVER replace completely human workers.
Of course to try to have the last word you perform the dirty tactic of blocking just after answering. How strong arguments you have.
YOU are the one "against human workers" because being born way after the invention of printing press is no excuse to read printed books and to despise the work of those poor manuscript copyists.
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in reply to paelnever • • •@paelnever @tristen paelnever, this is a stupid take.
The printing press printed the words of humans, in a way that made books more widely available.
gen-ai creates fabrications that rip off / copy its training data (other humans work) to cut out the human doing the creating.
they are not the same.
paelnever
in reply to im done with the web • • •@peach @tristen
Your take, is extremely funny because what printing press did was EXACTLY "rip off /copy" handwritten books (other humans work) to also "cut out the human doing the creating". And also what you call "gen-ai" (that is a misleading commercial brand for a bunch of very different tools) "in a way" make books (and other types of content) "more widely available". You made me so easy to answer your wrong take just by reproducing your own words that i guess you didn't think it for a second before calling me stupid.
There is one thing you wrote i agree, "they are not the same" LLMs will never substitute completely the work of code writers. The stupid CEOs that fired tons of employees thinking the LLMs can make all the work have been proven wrong and many companies are hiring them back. However the printing press completely erased from earth the manuscript copyist profession.
im done with the web
in reply to paelnever • • •@paelnever @tristen I didnt mean you were stupid sorry. I meant the take.
And on reflection, me saying it was stupid was a stupid response on my part.
Ive had a bad few days, I hate ai, and I guess I read yours and just replied without fully thinking about my reply.
So I apologise for that.
Dave 🐶
in reply to Joseph Cox • • •Aren't they a bit behind?
I thought all the "market leaders" were now telling staff to stop using AI quite so much?
Troed Sångberg
in reply to Joseph Cox • • •That's the wrong way of going about it. If someone has the same level of quality and productivity without using LLM tools that should be fine.
Not that anyone could, of course, but it would at least get rid of all the decel commenters on your post.
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in reply to Joseph Cox • • •I immediately wonder of Proton is in bad financial straights and needs to fire some people, and this is just a pretext they decided to use?
If business was going well, why would they fire people for such a dumb reason? Why not offer training and incentives instead, if they feel so strongly about this tech.
Violet Madder
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Considering they are probably under financial (among other types of) attack, this is likely. That's how the enemy would approach it, and the pattern we keep seeing play out with any service or source that gets a bit too close to popular or reliable...
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in reply to Joseph Cox • • •Lyons
in reply to Joseph Cox • • •boy am I glad I went with Fastmail over Proton when I left Gmail.
Fastmail may go to shit one day as well, but I'd have had a shorter stay with Proton. 🤷♂️
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in reply to Joseph Cox • • •For Proton, I am happy with what is reported in: medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-pr…. So no knee-jerk reactions yet, but I keep a close watch, not wanting to jump out of the cauldron into the fire.
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in reply to Inc Hulk 🧪 • • •@IncHulk That post is so dumb I really don't understand why it's still being circulated. Please reread it with a critical eye. If you seriously believe that Republicans are the party fighting for the poor and underprivileged then you need to seriously reevaluate what you stand for. Also perhaps read the news every now and then?
Similarly curious how it doesn't mention Andy going on a long tirade defending Trump and Republicans and calling people criticizing him "triggered", a pretty obvious right-wing dog whistle.
That being said, all of this is besides the point, as you do not, in fact, ever have to "hand it to" the Nazis. Doing so says far more about your beliefs than you may be willing to admit.
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Glad I left this cunt-ass company behind. (to clarify; left behind the services - I never worked and never will work for Proton)
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in reply to Feisty • • •I seriously wonder if somebody tries to claim their religion is Roko's basilisk or some shit, do we get to hurl them out the nearest window or are they going to twist it into a bizarre legal exemption for some heinous shit since normalizing the most heinous shit seems to be all the rage lately, WHY NOT.
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in reply to Joseph Cox • • •Are there any emaim providers that are anti GenAI that wont sell out? Because once I finally move out of Gmail, I need solid place to stay. My disabled ass can't take this constant flux...
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in reply to Joseph Cox • • •shane
in reply to Joseph Cox • • •i contacted proton about this.
got a reply that could've been, and for all i know was, written by AI...
"In regard to the article you have sent us, AI is changing the tech industry and we, like everyone else, need to evolve our ways of working to remain effective in our industry, and to deliver features faster to users.
Proton exists to protect privacy and give people control over their digital lives.
That commitment guides how we evaluate and use AI, including the tools we use internally. We see opportunities to build better products and work more effectively, but using AI requires judgment about privacy, security, accuracy, and where it adds actual value.
We are assessing how colleagues are adapting to these tools, what support they need, and who can help lead this work. We're looking for concrete improvements in their work and thoughtful decisions about when to use AI - and when not to."
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in reply to Joseph Cox • • •and to others following this thread.
Please add support or opposition, with reasons, for dropping #Protonmail from the @switchingsoftware email recommendations [1].
#SwitchingSoftware
#TransparentDecisionMaking #DeliberativeDecisionMaking #ParticipatoryDecisionMaking
[1] codeberg.org/swiso/website/iss…
Proposal to drop Protonmail from a 'gmail' replacement because of Protonmail forcing LLM use by employees
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in reply to Philippe 🇧🇪 🇪🇺 • • •I don't think this is strictly about use LLMs (but I might be wrong).
But this instead
404media.co/proton-to-re-inter…, honestly I wouldn't be surprised if this is even legal in Switzerland following employment laws here.
Sounds like a law suite nightmare coming from any employees after being fired.
404 Media
I don't think this is strictly about use LLMs (but I might be wrong).
But this instead
404media.co/proton-to-re-inter…, honestly I wouldn't be surprised if this is even legal in Switzerland following employment laws here.
Sounds like a law suite nightmare coming from any employees after being fired.
404 Media
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Hypolite Petovan
in reply to Philippe 🇧🇪 🇪🇺 • • •@Philippe 🇧🇪 🇪🇺 For many people (including myself), it really isn't about the outcome, but the decision itself to use a technology with such awful and global externalities. Individual project outcomes are simply irrelevant to me given the mind-boggling scale of these externalities.
It sounds like "wait until you taste the chocolate before stopping using this brand because they use slave labor" to me.
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in reply to Joseph Cox • •This isn't US here.