During the Iraq war I let people gaslight me into thinking I didn't know enough about "foreign policy" and "global politics" to say the war was a bad idea.

I would hesitate because, I'm not an expert on those things.

But I was right then and I'm right now.

You don't need to be an expert, it's not "so complex and best left to high level people." You know enough to see this makes no sense.

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in reply to ergo

@ergo

What are you assuming my answer is?

This reminds me of this guy who thought there was no way I could really be Black on twitter once because I was talking about teaching calc III.

I was gushing about how I love how dedicated my students were, at the time I taught a calc III class. At that time none of my students were white.

This dude is like "that is impossible you aren't really Black"

Is this what you are doing?

@ergo
in reply to myrmepropagandist

That's one of the most racist things I've ever heard.

You might like this guy's story. It's horrible, but he's a really funny storyteller.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

I remember a fascist trying to infiltrate a comics website a while ago (as it's the FN - very effective, alas - strategy to send people to infiltrate every corner of the web).
He was drawing his own (fascist) comic, so he wasn't expelled from the group (though many clearly condemned the fascist tones of his comic).
When someone else mentioned Moroccan comics, he was genuinely shocked and didn't believe it; he sincerely couldn't imagine Arabs being able to draw comics...

@Uair

in reply to myrmepropagandist

@lienrag

That was here? I guess I just assumed it was on Twitter.

Half of my people here are working scientists. Plus, in the autistic spaces, you meet a lot of sexual minorities. There seems to be a lot of overlap between those two groups. I've encountered no bigotry at all. People willing to punch nazis, yes. Not bigots.

I'm sorry you had to go through that.

If you give me the link to the account, I'll preemptively block it.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

We know form repentant fascists that genuine conversations with racists aren't useless, but also that most of them are absolutely not ready to engage in genuine conversations with the objects of their ire, and that most of their "just asking questions" interactions are in bad faith and destined to score points, not to exchange ideas.
So I understand your curiosity, but doubt that it will be rewarded by a honest answer.

@Uair

in reply to myrmepropagandist

@lienrag @Uair

It is really confusing, especially since I think Black women have consistently been the most anti-war demographic in the US

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in reply to Acin โ˜†

@shadowfals

No, alas.
The comics in this discussion were amateur ones.
I've read Abdelaziz Mouride's "Le coiffeur" and at least some of "On affame bien les rats" but though he was a great human being, I can't say that he's a great comic artist.

Also, arab comics in general are a different tradition and I have trouble coping with their conventions (since they're quite different from US or franco-belgian ones).

in reply to myrmepropagandist

I previously blocked that guy after he followed me, I looked through his posts, and found one saying that "the Japanese are truly a subhuman race".
I left "dark fedi" to get away from that bullshit.

Not saying you shouldn't debate him. Just fyi.

A lot of people assume *I* am a far-rightoid engaging in bad faith. But in actual fact I really am asking questions because I am curious. It's sad that the world hates curious people but there we are.
@Uair

in reply to myrmepropagandist

@ergo the things you do with your students seems to be way more involving than 90% of the teachers I know.

So the question should be:

Are you real?

Tongue in cheek: As most of the teachers I know are white, I might be biased though. Perhaps most black teachers are just outstanding? And you're merely a mediocre black teacher, which looks outstanding to poor white people like me?

@ergo
in reply to myrmepropagandist

This argument would hold a lot more weight if it were backed by even a small amount of evidence that people in government understand the second-order consequences of any of their actions. Without that, I would assume most people with a basic level of critical thinking ability are probably going to make better decisions.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

What turned *me* against the Iraq war was that I'd read Shirer's history of the Third Reich at an early age, and the Bush admin press releases were following Goebbel's propaganda playbook beat by beat. If it looks identical to manufactured justification for an illegal war, then that's probably what it is โ€ฆ

(Every time Powell stood up to show "evidence" of Iraqi chemical weapons and was challenged, he changed the subject. No corroboration, just more and wilder acusations.)

in reply to Phosphenes

@Phosphenes Yup! They periodically tried to claim revealing the truth would endanger sources (spies), but if all they wanted was evidence to justify a war, why not simply extract your agents? They've already given you what you wanted!

Conclusion: there were no spies, there was no evidence.

Mitigating factor: we now know Saddam was bluffing about having WMDsโ€”at Iran! Who he'd just fought an 8 year long bloodbath with: he wanted to deter them from coming back for more.

in reply to Charlie Stross

@cstross
So what's next? My bingo card:

* US billionaires privatize all remaining Venezuelan public assets and services. (See Bolivian water war against Bechtel.)

* Crypto becomes official Venezuelan currency.

* Price of gas goes up as Trump gouges his majority control of world oil.

* Underage sex tourism.

* Venezuelan Trump resorts.

* After brief joy of losing Maduro, Venezuelans start disappearing under a Pinochet-style blood and markets dictatorship.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

ah yes

the "stay in your lane" condescension

as if it is their lane to gatekeep what you can and cannot talk about?

there may be something wrong with me because i always find this kind of patronization way more amusing than the scenario should suggest. but there is the bonus that just sitting there laughing at them and nothing else after the condescending remark does repel them efficiently

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

I shame spiral when I think of the one conversation I had with a friend who was radicalized by 9/11 and fangirled the Iraq War. I backed down, mouthed something about how bad Hussein was--and he was--but that memory is burned into my skull.

The Trump administrations have been so clarifying. I don't get bs'ed anymore. Using the lens of corruption and...no, that's really it--you can explain almost everything now. All of the rest, as we say on Shabbat, is just commentary.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

people wanted a "businessman" in the office. A CEO running the show. And that's what America got, someone that cares about money above all else. Everything that's going on is blatantly obvious, so much so, it seems illogical, because there's so much more to life on earth than ๐Ÿ’ฐ Not for a CEO.

"Power erodes compassion when emotional maturity reaches a robotic level."

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

"A yellow ribbon, instead of a swastika"--Zach de la Rocha.

Check out the movie "Three Kings" if you haven't yet.

Or are you such a young 'un that you're talking about Iraq War2? We blew the shit out of Iraq in 1991 as well. We dropped a lot of leaflets encouraging them to rise up against Saddam and then abandoned them. They got slaughtered.

There were so many awesome movies that came out in 1999.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

It isn't complex in the slightest. Dude who raped kids and is about to be exposed for it starts a war with a country that has the most oil reserves on the planet at a time when gas prices are through the roof. It's the definition of grasping at straws bc in his demented, enfeebled mind, people are unable to focus on more than one thing at a time.
in reply to spiegelmama

@spiegelmama And at a time when we most need to be getting rid of our over-reliance on oil anyway...

But then the people in power now were funded in no small part by oil...

Just think of how useless the whole "killing a bunch of people to take their oil" thing would be today if we were already divesting of it as we should have been 30 years ago when they first realized what it was doing...

in reply to myrmepropagandist

A mere glance at US behaviour for the last 200 years shows you were unequivocally right.
They've been the bad guys all along.
And while I've given the general population the benefit of the doubt, those days are over.
They've grown fat and ignorant off American imperialism, they revere the perpetrators of international crimes, and bleat "why do they hate us?" when they get the tiniest taste of their own medicine (9/11).
It's not up to people outside the US to change them. It's their own karma.
Fuck. Them.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

As an European: where the star spangled banner is waved or the combattants carry G3 rifles, is the wrong side!
I started in 1981 learning about 'foreign policy' and 'defense'. As a West German, I struggled against the deployment of more nuclear carrier rockets and cruise missile.
Unfortunately, we couldn't stop NATO's further integration into US colonialism.
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