A Canadian friend's perspective on US behavior since the Trump regime was installed:
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One thing I've learned over the past few weeks, and it's been a bit of a sobering lesson, is that a lot of Americans I know don't actually know what's going on between the US and Canada right now, and just how seriously Canadians are taking this. So, against my better judgement, here's a timeline to explain why we're here, and why we're angry.
Nov 30th, 2018 - The United States, Canada and Mexico finalize a trade agreement. Trump personally negotiates the terms and signs the document, celebrating it as 'the greatest trade agreement in history". (This is important.)
Nov 29th, 2024 - In a face to face meeting, Trump threatens the Canadian Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, that he will be imposing 25% tariffs and that if Canada wants to avoid that, it should join the US as a state.
Nov 30th, 2024 - Trump publicly calls our Prime Minister 'Governor Trudeau' and instructs his staff to only address him as Governor going forward. He again suggests Canada should join the USA.
Dec 3rd, 2024 - Trump remarks that he would split Canada into two states once annexed.
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in reply to TProphet • • •Dec 10th, 2024 - Trump posts that the majority of Canadians support annexation, despite public polling that only 13% of Canadians would consider the idea.
Dec 18th, 2024 - Trump again falsely states that the majority of Canadians support annexation and that one of his lapdogs, Wayne Gretzky, should have a leadership role in that new scenario.
Jan 7th, 2025 - At a press conference, Trump says that he would use economic force to destroy the Canadian economy to annex it.
Jan 14, 2025 - Trump again claims that most Canadians want to be American, despite new polls showing only 10% of us are open to the idea.
Jan 20th, 2025 - During his inaugural address, Trump says that the U.S. will 'expand its territory' during his second term.
Jan 23rd, 2025 - At the World Economic Forum, Trump says that Canada can avoid tariffs and economic collapse if it joins the US. He says this in front of representatives from most countries in the world.
Jan 24th, 2025 - Trump states publicly that Canada 'will' become a state
Jan 31st, 2025 - Trump announces a 25% tariff
... show moreDec 10th, 2024 - Trump posts that the majority of Canadians support annexation, despite public polling that only 13% of Canadians would consider the idea.
Dec 18th, 2024 - Trump again falsely states that the majority of Canadians support annexation and that one of his lapdogs, Wayne Gretzky, should have a leadership role in that new scenario.
Jan 7th, 2025 - At a press conference, Trump says that he would use economic force to destroy the Canadian economy to annex it.
Jan 14, 2025 - Trump again claims that most Canadians want to be American, despite new polls showing only 10% of us are open to the idea.
Jan 20th, 2025 - During his inaugural address, Trump says that the U.S. will 'expand its territory' during his second term.
Jan 23rd, 2025 - At the World Economic Forum, Trump says that Canada can avoid tariffs and economic collapse if it joins the US. He says this in front of representatives from most countries in the world.
Jan 24th, 2025 - Trump states publicly that Canada 'will' become a state
Jan 31st, 2025 - Trump announces a 25% tariff on all Canadian imports to begin the next day.
Feb 2nd, 2025 - Trump refers to Canada as its 'Cherished 51st state' and that it should join the US to avoid tariffs.
Feb 3rd, 2025 - A one month delay is agreed upon. Trump, in a conversation with Trudeau states that he doesn't think existing border treaties with Canada are valid, and need to be revised.
Feb 7th, 2025 - In a closed door meeting with his cabinet, Prime Minister Trudeau is recorded, without his knowledge, telling everyone that he believes very strongly that Trump is serious and that he stated his reason for annexation as Canadian resources.
Feb 9th, 2025 - In a Super Bowl pre-game interview, Trump says that he's serious about his threats, calling it a 'viable consideration for expanding US territory'
Feb 10th, 2025 - Trump announces an additional 25% tariffs on steel and aluminum imports from Canada to come into effect March 12th.
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in reply to TProphet • • •Feb 24th, 2025 - Trump publicly remarks that whoever signed the USMCA agreement is an idiot. He was the one that signed it.
March 4th, 5th, and 6th 2025 - Tariffs come into effect. Canada retaliates with it's own tariffs. Tariffs are again postponed until April 1st after a huge market backlash.
March 4th, 2025 - In an address to a joint session of congress, Trump states that the US will own Greenland 'one way or the other'.
March 5th, 2025 - US Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick told Canadian finance minister Dominic LeBlanc that Trump "had come to realize that the relationship between the United States and Canada was governed by a slew of agreements and treaties that were easy to abandon."
March 7th, 2025 - Unconfirmed Memorandum and maps leaked on twitter reveal Trump is allegedly planning to annex the entirety of the great lakes and Southern Ontario, home to 13,491,332 Canadians. This amounts to 35.25% of Canada's total population and includes its largest city, Toronto. This region accounts for 38% of the Canadian economy, and its loss would make Canad
... show moreFeb 24th, 2025 - Trump publicly remarks that whoever signed the USMCA agreement is an idiot. He was the one that signed it.
March 4th, 5th, and 6th 2025 - Tariffs come into effect. Canada retaliates with it's own tariffs. Tariffs are again postponed until April 1st after a huge market backlash.
March 4th, 2025 - In an address to a joint session of congress, Trump states that the US will own Greenland 'one way or the other'.
March 5th, 2025 - US Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick told Canadian finance minister Dominic LeBlanc that Trump "had come to realize that the relationship between the United States and Canada was governed by a slew of agreements and treaties that were easy to abandon."
March 7th, 2025 - Unconfirmed Memorandum and maps leaked on twitter reveal Trump is allegedly planning to annex the entirety of the great lakes and Southern Ontario, home to 13,491,332 Canadians. This amounts to 35.25% of Canada's total population and includes its largest city, Toronto. This region accounts for 38% of the Canadian economy, and its loss would make Canada's independence functionally impossible.
March 8th, 2025 - Canada's foreign minister warns European allies that their government considers Canada to be under existential threat.
March 9th, 2025 - Mark Carney, the new Canadian Prime Minister, in his acceptance speech, states that Trump is seeking to destroy Canada, and its way of life.
March 11, 2025 - President Trump threatens to “permanently shut down the automobile manufacturing business in Canada” if Canada does not drop a 250% to 390% tariff on U.S. dairy products, which he doesn’t state only kicks in after a certain quantity of tariff-free U.S. dairy enters Canada, a quantity that was originally negotiated and agreed to by Trump during the USMCA in 2018.
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in reply to TProphet • • •In Trump's own words, "The only thing that makes sense is for Canada to become our cherished Fifty First State. This would make all Tariffs, and everything else, totally disappear.
Canadians’ taxes will be very substantially reduced, they will be more secure, militarily and otherwise, than ever before, there would no longer be a Northern Border problem, and the greatest and most powerful nation in the World will be bigger, better and stronger than ever — And Canada will be a big part of that. The artificial line of separation drawn many years ago will finally disappear, and we will have the safest and most beautiful Nation anywhere in the World — And your brilliant anthem, “O Canada,” will continue to play, but now representing a GREAT and POWERFUL STATE within the greatest Nation that the World has ever seen!"
March 11th, 2025 PT. II - Peter Navarro, a Senior Advisor for Trump is interviewed by MSNBC. When asked about the tariffs he responds with "Just tamp it down, please, over there, ok? They're throwing down the hockey gloves. Stop tha
... show moreIn Trump's own words, "The only thing that makes sense is for Canada to become our cherished Fifty First State. This would make all Tariffs, and everything else, totally disappear.
Canadians’ taxes will be very substantially reduced, they will be more secure, militarily and otherwise, than ever before, there would no longer be a Northern Border problem, and the greatest and most powerful nation in the World will be bigger, better and stronger than ever — And Canada will be a big part of that. The artificial line of separation drawn many years ago will finally disappear, and we will have the safest and most beautiful Nation anywhere in the World — And your brilliant anthem, “O Canada,” will continue to play, but now representing a GREAT and POWERFUL STATE within the greatest Nation that the World has ever seen!"
March 11th, 2025 PT. II - Peter Navarro, a Senior Advisor for Trump is interviewed by MSNBC. When asked about the tariffs he responds with "Just tamp it down, please, over there, ok? They're throwing down the hockey gloves. Stop that rhetoric...we're not going to tolerate anything but them stopping killing Americans", insinuating that this situation was caused by Canadians killing Americans.
March 11th, 2025 PT III - Trump again publicly muses that Canada, Greenland, and the US should be one country, and questions the validity of the Canadian and American border.
To my American friends, I know most of you are amazing and generous people. You didn't ask for this, and I understand that. I hold no ill will towards you, whatsoever. But I must stress, with as much seriousness as I can, the amount of damage this has done.
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in reply to TProphet • • •We have viewed you as our closest friend and ally for a century. We thought of you as brothers and sisters. We answered the call, again and again, for any support you needed from us. Most of Canadians visit the USA so much that we've seen more of the US than we have the rest of Canada.
American products have been taken off our shelves. Canadians are cancelling travel plans to the US. Photo after photo has been shared on social media of empty flights from Canada to the USA.
This isn't a joke to us. We're not overreacting. We don't think he's just saying this shit to cause chaos or negotiate a deal. We wholeheartedly believe that our closest ally and friend is about to bring violence across our border, economically destroy us, and eliminate our way of life.
The main driver for Canada's creation in 1867 was SPECIFICALLY to not be part of America, and to end America's very public threats and plans to annex our territory.
We're angry. We're really, really fucking angry. Open your eyes to what's happening because we're tired of trying to make you understand why a
... show moreWe have viewed you as our closest friend and ally for a century. We thought of you as brothers and sisters. We answered the call, again and again, for any support you needed from us. Most of Canadians visit the USA so much that we've seen more of the US than we have the rest of Canada.
American products have been taken off our shelves. Canadians are cancelling travel plans to the US. Photo after photo has been shared on social media of empty flights from Canada to the USA.
This isn't a joke to us. We're not overreacting. We don't think he's just saying this shit to cause chaos or negotiate a deal. We wholeheartedly believe that our closest ally and friend is about to bring violence across our border, economically destroy us, and eliminate our way of life.
The main driver for Canada's creation in 1867 was SPECIFICALLY to not be part of America, and to end America's very public threats and plans to annex our territory.
We're angry. We're really, really fucking angry. Open your eyes to what's happening because we're tired of trying to make you understand why and asking you why it seems like none of you care. **
I still hope that there is time to repair this. I still believe that this is the result of one man's plan to burn it all down. But time is running out, and fast.
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in reply to TProphet • • •We care about this and a lot more but it's proving difficult to find a throat to get one's fingers around.
By accident or design, it's a slippery malignity we're dealing with.
Ultimately looks as though it'll need some kind of general strike or the like, but that momentum is slow to develop. Recognition is a slow dawn.
Deeply sorry.
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in reply to Doug Bostrom • • •@Doug_Bostrom You have your second amendment. Its proponent ammosexuals say that it's to fight tyranny.
This is me pointing to that tyranny and waiting for your ammosexuals to pave the way to freedom.
Get busy.
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in reply to 🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦 • • •@ZDL
Well, that way lies madness because as with pickup trucks and yachts somebody always has a bigger gun.
Here we have a rabble vs. state national guard and federal forces, the latter two being the "well regulated milita" envisioned by the drunken dilettantes authoring founding documents as a guard against tyranny and now under the command of a tyrant.
Here money rules all. A general strike is to talk with money as a weapon, peacefully.
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in reply to Doug Bostrom • • •Dan Cross
in reply to TProphet • • •this American agrees with every word.
I love my Canadian neighbors, have deep affection and respect for Canada, and am sick and disgusted at the things this president says and does. It is disgraceful and frankly disgusts me to see Canada treated so poorly by this administration.
it makes me infinitely sad and fills me with anguish to see our relationship soured by this damned fool and his bellicose idiocy.
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in reply to Dan Cross • • •Amgine
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We have an app(lication) for that: canadavisa.com/moving-to-canad…
A bunch of other routes for moving to Canada on that page as well.
I came as part of a job offer for my parnert. It's not instant, but it is way, way worth the effort.
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in reply to Amgine • • •Do you think Americans will be welcome?
Amgine
in reply to Nick Stevens Graphics • • •@Nick_Stevens_graphics @cxj @cross
Absolutely.
But let me tell you a story… When I "landed" in Canada, a camper from TX was also being interviewed. The people had not declared their guns, because they had the right to carry.
In the USA.
Canada is not the USA, never has been. Its laws are different. Its culture is different. If a Canadian becomes very polite, they are likely angry.
That difference alone - that they become **more** polite when angry - is just how different it is.
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in reply to Amgine • • •Yes, and it's Americans like these who will be responsible for Americans in general being refused entry.
Nick Stevens Graphics
in reply to Amgine • • •And as a Brit, I'm a master if using polite words to convey my loathing!
Amgine
in reply to Nick Stevens Graphics • • •@Nick_Stevens_graphics @cxj @cross
Yes! Exactly! This is one of sources of the Canadian version. Plus a wonderful dose from Québec stating the absurd in a jovial fashion. And let me tell you, the Salish around here… 👩🍳 💋
Most of us USians completely miss it.
May I strongly suggest the film "Bon Cop, Bad Cop" dated, but… some prescient (and trenchant) social commentary.
Nerb
in reply to Amgine • • •@Amgine @Nick_Stevens_graphics @cxj @cross
We went up to BC from Florida back in 2017 and were interviewed including search of the camper and truck.
When asked if we had any weapons or ammunition or other prohibited items said no. When asked again with him saying are you sure told them if I did they would be about 3000 miles away.
Guess our reputation as the Gunshine state is well known up there.
Amgine
in reply to Nerb • • •@nerb @Nick_Stevens_graphics @cxj @cross
Yes. As far as I know there are no countries which welcome weapons at the border, including the USA. They can be brought in, but under very carefully controlled circumstances. Ifyou are going to another county you should know their rules.
My (also US citizen) partner was nearly arrested at the US border, coming across to bring me tools for boat repair. That included an undeclared crowbar. This was too dangerous for US CBP.
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in reply to Amgine • • •@Amgine @nerb @cxj @cross
Ah yes, the good old USA.
Where military grade assault weapons are an absolute right, but kinder eggs are just too dangerous.
Amgine
in reply to Nick Stevens Graphics • • •@Nick_Stevens_graphics
Heh. It is one two events which are regularly trotted out to induce guilt. The other involved my rigging knife discovered in the bottom of my computer bag, which she had borrowed to fly within the USA in early 2002, about 6 months after 9/11.
I still do not understand how that is *my* fault…
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in reply to Dan Cross • • •Are you doing anything about it?
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in reply to TProphet • • •On Trump & Canada
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in reply to Stéphane Charette 🇨🇦 • • •A good read for our global friends too. Canada is on the northern side of the longest undefended border in the world, with integrated supply chains and a longstanding connected economy with the US, and we haven’t had to even think about militarily defending ourselves in over 200 years against our closest neighbour and friend. Unless you’re actively working against the US’s lecherous orange leader, you’re complicit in ending our sovereignty.
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in reply to TProphet • • •There are errors in dates
The document was signed in 2020, not 2018,; it was Dec 25th he offered Gretzky to be Governor in Canada .....and more....(I have receipts)
but the general idea is there
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in reply to Dianora (Diane Bruce) • • •California could secede, and wouldn't bother asking for permission if it did.
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in reply to Dianora (Diane Bruce) • • •@Dianora @segfaul7 why do you hate Mexico so much that you’d force Texas on them?
Cut Texas loose. Set up strict immigration borders - nobody in or out, just like they want. Leave them to their own devices.
Don’t take the US’s biggest problem and force it on Mexico.
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in reply to Mathaetaes • • •@mathaetaes @Dianora @segfaul7
Yes. There are a lot of federal assets in Texas, though, and I would recommend that Congress charge them 50% of FMV for all of it.
azteclady
in reply to Dianora (Diane Bruce) • • •@Dianora
Well, if we are splitting the U.S. back to previous borders, then all the border states go to Mexico (see the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, 1848), where the U.S annexed about 55% of Mexico's territory (California, Nevada, Arizona, Kansas, Colorado, Wyoming, Oklahoma, New Mexico AND Texas)
Just saying.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_o…
Also note: "American intervention" is the language used for "marched in and took it, negotiating peace and "payment" after the fact"
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peace treaty that concludes Mexican-American War of 1846-1848
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in reply to azteclady • • •Mathaetaes
in reply to TProphet • • •@Dianora @segfaul7 “South Canada Wastes” would make more sense, seeing as it’s not a gulf.
Or you mean the Gulf of Mexico? Canadians for sure would rename it back to MX. Politeness and all that.
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in reply to TProphet • • •@Dianora @segfaul7
maybe trump will rename Hudson Bay as....
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in reply to the hatter • • •@hatter
I'm sorry, where are you seeing all these other countries "behind" us?
Starmer said there's no light between him and Trump on Canada. Rutte pretty much laughed off Trump's Greenland talk in the Oval Office and did not challenge him on Canada.
There is no chorus of condemnation for Trump's words from world leaders, nor is there a chorus of support for Canada.
All of our allies will happily accept our destruction if it keeps US guns from pointing at them.
@segfaul7 @tprophet
Captain Jack Sparrow
in reply to AlexanderVI • • •@AlexanderVI @hatter @segfaul7
That's only because nobody is taking it seriously yet.
trump is so full of shit that it's difficult to know when he is being serious
AlexanderVI
in reply to Captain Jack Sparrow • • •@Captain_Jack_Sparrow
This is not one of those cases. Public statements, reports of direct conversations with Canadian officials, and the creep zone of Technocracy and American Imperialist enthusiasts around him are not hard to decode - in many cases they are perfectly explicit.
He is telling us all exactly what he plans to do.
It is not a joke. It is not a bit of random weirdness.
If what it takes to make I clear is a full spectrum invasion, we are doomed.
@hatter @segfaul7 @tprophet
Captain Jack Sparrow
in reply to AlexanderVI • • •@AlexanderVI @hatter @segfaul7
I think there will be a huge international outcry, and even his own military will refuse to act on his orders.
I don't doubt that he is serious, but I think other leaders are reluctant to take his threats seriously
AlexanderVI
in reply to Captain Jack Sparrow • • •@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @hatter @segfaul7
I am certain there is deep reluctance to take it seriously. Contemplating it requires completely rethinking all aspects of current military strategy.
I would like to believe the Joint Chiefs would balk and/or the JAGs would make a stink about legality. He has already removed likely impediments in both those institutions. Hegseth is clearly a "how high" yes-man.
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in reply to AlexanderVI • • •@AlexanderVI @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @hatter @segfaul7
Trumps playing the same plan that Hitler used, down to the beer putsch, sentenced in court, won the election, instituting lebensraum, erasing LGBTQ (pink triangles), othering foreigners with extreme prejudice, and more.
And I don't believe he'll willingly leave the presidency after 4y. Hitler didnt, likely for similar 'emergency reasons' with ongoing wars with Canada and Greenland.
The only way he's leaving is the following:
Congress grows a pair and kicks his ass into prison.
An assassin actually does it right, and not that staged ear shit.
Or he goes out like the painter and offs himself.
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in reply to PieRat • • •@pierat
No notes.
@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @hatter @segfaul7 @tprophet
PieRat
in reply to AlexanderVI • • •What do you mean "no notes"?
AlexanderVI
in reply to PieRat • • •@pierat
I cannot add anything to what you have written, you have covered it quite precisely.
The phrase comes in this case from the entertainment business - when producers want creators to make changes to their vision, they provide comments that are referred to as "notes".
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Alexander Campbell
in reply to AlexanderVI • • •@AlexanderVI @hatter @segfaul7
Canada can handle itself to a certain point at which point we will need our allies support, it won't be pretty BUT CANADA WILL NEVER BE THE 51st STATE.
If you really believe the rule based order no longer exists your as oblivious as the convicted felon currently leading the USA.
CONTINUE TO FUCK AROUND AND FIND OUT!!!!
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Mu
in reply to AlexanderVI • • •@AlexanderVI @hatter @segfaul7 I think we're all in the same boat here, I'm in New Zealand, we have a tiny military and not much money, and our two biggest trading partners are China and the US, either of which could wipe us out militarily or economically without even trying.
I know it doesn't help, since you're right next to the threat.
I also don't know what our leaders would do if the US really did try to squeeze you. And I'm sorry about that.
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in reply to Patrick Lam • • •Nazani
in reply to segfaul7 • • •If Canada acquired all of our West coast states & the East coast down to NC, it would look like a hump-backed dinosaur.
ij
in reply to TProphet • • •I find this here interesting as well in this context:
euractiv.com/section/politics/…
And yeah, would be a nice move to join the EU (or just thinking about it and starting talks). This would make the orange man explode. And one good thing is: you can leave the EU again - in contrast to the US, because you still would be a souvereign country...
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Amgine
in reply to TProphet • • •Let's add a couple more things:
What Trump has said is actually covered by treaties the USA has signed. That means he is violating the US Constitution.
And the Charter of the United Nations.
And the Charter of NATO
And treaties with Canada, the UK, and others.
That is why the **world** is sitting up and taking notice. He is violating international law, which is the web of treaties - many created by the USA - to preserve the peace.
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casey is remote
in reply to TProphet • • •> We wholeheartedly believe that our closest ally and friend is about to bring violence across our border
Why?
Andre
in reply to casey is remote • • •It has a lot to do with your president saying that he wants to make Canada the 51st state. Repeatedly, in social media, in press conferences and in meetings with international leaders. He has been directly questioned about it, and has not backed off on the idea. We HAVE to take him at his word.
casey is remote
in reply to Andre • • •Andre
in reply to casey is remote • • •That would suggest that we are for sale, we aren’t. Canada is a sovereign Nation, not just a chunk of land someone has laying around. So far he has started an economic war, and we have to prepare for when that doesn’t work.
casey is remote
in reply to Andre • • •Andre
in reply to casey is remote • • •Here is the thing, serious or not, people do have to take what a world leader says at face value. And it is not a rare take up here. Here is link to a couple polls that just released thestar.com/politics/federal/e…
Even Americans don’t want Canada as 51st state amid Trump’s annexation threats, new poll finds
The Toronto StarTProphet
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in reply to TProphet • • •Y'all are definitely not overreacting. And right to be angry. He does mean it. And he'll keep focused on it because he's senile and it's one of the things he remembers.
My sincere hope is that no one here who might follow through will listen to him.
We'll be fighting against it with you.
Kathmandu
in reply to TProphet • • •Americans who are aware of current political news do understand why you're angry. We too are alarmed and angry at this administration.
We do care. There is so much being sabotaged and destroyed right now, it's hard to do enough protests and calls to cover everything. But we're trying.
Nobody sensible and decent wants to invade Canada. But "sensible and decent" are not currently in office.
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in reply to Kathmandu • • •@Kathmandu We know you do, but we also know how many Americans (and Canadians, even) are not really paying attention, or hearing about it in passing from Bill Maher or something as the butt of some stupid joke. There are so many people who do not understand what annexation would mean, or how serious this actually is, on both sides.
We would get no benefit from joining the US, we'd just be opening ourselves up to being robbed
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The elites, over the centuries.
The Constitution was never ratified in a democratic vote. States were added in an explicit manner to maintain slaver control. Political redistricting and the mechanisms of voting have only been put to popular question in exceptional cases (and the people have uniformly voted for more democratic control at every such occasion).
Iwillyeah
in reply to TProphet • • •@mgrahamwoods does it though? The French revolution was a very historically significant even. Assuming America will get there is more American exceptionalism, imo.
Why wouldn't America end up more like China or Russia or Belarus or North Korea? I don't that it will, but I think Americans have tolerated violent repression, starvation of necessities, but withering inequalities and a significant level of double-speak propaganda for a long time.
VulcanTourist
in reply to TProphet • • •@mgrahamwoods
Said this elsewhere just tonight, but it seems relevant:
> The One Percent's propaganda and tactics to stave off the next revolution have been quite effective here. They've created multiple generations of idiots and it's become inbred now. Epigenetics is a harsh mistress when the result is for the worse.
Iwillyeah
in reply to VulcanTourist • • •VulcanTourist
in reply to Iwillyeah • • •Iwillyeah
in reply to VulcanTourist • • •@VulcanTourist @mgrahamwoods I was trying to be a bit gentle rather than going off on you about it, but OK.
Calling a population of people epigentically stupid is much more likely to be used against people who have lived for generations through oppression, stress, poverty and pollution than who's grand-daddies burned crosses. It's a very dangerous game to play loosely with, and casually using it as a way to explain the bad choices an electorate had made is bad discourse.
Iwillyeah
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in reply to Iwillyeah • • •VulcanTourist
in reply to Iwillyeah • • •@Iwillyeah @mgrahamwoods
As I said moments ago in another reply, I've read of research that hints that such a thing is more possible than we previously believed. My memory is diagnosed capricious and I can't cite anything specific. I can't even recall a useful ballpark when I read the articles. If I find something in my browser history I'll share.
VulcanTourist
in reply to Iwillyeah • • •@Iwillyeah @mgrahamwoods
First, "stupid" is an inaccurate too-brief stand-in for a more involved discussion of the roots of self-delusion, a wonderful feature - not - dependent on the limbic brain and its degree of dominance.
Second, some recent research in epigenetics has highlighted just how much potential there is for behaviors of one generation to predispose future generations to the same behaviors. American propaganda has been a LIFELONG exposure for every American of multiple generations. It's not a trivial thing. I've been considering the effects of epigenetics for decades, and my experiences with raising cats with common mothers but different fathers has made me all the more curious.
Third, I wasn't referring to the choices made in one election, but rather choices and behaviors from no less than the last 50 years. Is there a culmination now? Possibly.
We can argue about whether that is too speculative, but I'm neither a eugenicist nor a Nazi.
Iwillyeah
in reply to VulcanTourist • • •@VulcanTourist @mgrahamwoods I didn't mean to imply you were a eugenicist. I said you were lining up to dance with them, because the assertion that people are genetically 'idiots', which sounds a lot like stupid to me, is the kind of thing Nazis like.
Anything I've read about epigentic intelligence has been exploring why IQ has increased in the last 100 years. I would genuinely be interested to read what lit this interest for you, if you do ever happen to come across it again.
VulcanTourist
in reply to Iwillyeah • • •@Iwillyeah @mgrahamwoods
Re: epigenetics and IQ, the first question I conceive is whether one generation's experiences with standardized IQ tests or perhaps just that form of testing more generally might lead to adaptive synaptic changes that then get subtly encoded as a predisposition? I'm not historian enough to know how testing in education and elsewhere has evolved over centuries or millennia, but I suspect most of what we recognize as "tests" is a fairly recent phenomena, perhaps even less than a century old?
Iwillyeah
in reply to VulcanTourist • • •VulcanTourist
in reply to Iwillyeah • • •@Iwillyeah @mgrahamwoods
It would need multigenerational research that doesn't seem likely given our cultural and political volatility.
CoolBlenderKitten
in reply to TProphet • • •There's a very frightening video about this, not specifically about Canada but about the powers and ideas behind his general actions, I will put a link in my next post with a CW, because you should bring all your spoons for watching it.
Sorry if this sounds weird, but it stresses me out.
CoolBlenderKitten
in reply to CoolBlenderKitten • • •Sensitive content
m.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz…
Shadowbottle
in reply to TProphet • • •@monkeyborg as an US citizen, I endorse all actions to put the hurt on our businesses and authoritarian gov. Those of us who give a shit and can are doing the same thing from the inside.
Keep it up!
We hope to call you brother and sister again, and as an independent country.
Nick Stevens Graphics
in reply to TProphet • • •This damage is not reversible.
It's not like Trump's first term.
Under Trump, allies who gave lives in support of the USA have been mocked and belittled.
This should not be a surprise. Trump mocked Americans who made sacrifices as Losers and Suckers,
theatlantic.com/politics/archi…
And Americans chose him to lead them.
And say little or nothing when he threatens allies with invasion.
Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’
Jeffrey Goldberg (The Atlantic)Arik
in reply to TProphet • • •so I thought about it for a short minute.
Let's say this does somehow happen - no violence, no armed conflict, now Canada is a new state. Or maybe a couple of states.
This means 2 or 4 more senators in the US senate, and a bunch more members of the house of representatives.
Canada in general is way more diverse than the US and much more left leaning. The US senate is already pretty balanced, adding 2 or 4 more senators will shift it strongly to the left, which in the US means democrats. Same for the house of representatives.
There is no world in which the republicans will allow this to happen, and the democrats will not participate; plus they're in the minority now.
I think Canada is safe for now.
Dandelion
in reply to Arik • • •Compassionate greetings from Germany, where after the recent election some elected politicians consider to copy Trumps behavior. This is proprietarism and fascism!
BeeCycling
in reply to Arik • • •Arik
in reply to BeeCycling • • •@beecycling well, you're right. The entire premise of Canada joining the US as a state hangs on the US being democratic. There's no meaning to states and representation if there US federal government becomes a dictatorship. That would just be one country conquering another.
By the way, the US doesn't have a lot of good experience doing that either. Lots of bad experience though.
BeeCycling
in reply to Arik • • •Alexander Campbell
in reply to Arik • • •@pq1r
CANADA WILL NEVER BE AMERICA.
#boycottusa #Canada #Denmark #Mexico #Panama #Greenland #theCommonwealth #NATO #Europeanunion #Gaza #Ukraine #Palestine #Yemen
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in reply to Joe Carr 🇨🇦 • • •this is generational for many Canadian's, even if threats were to stop tomorrow the distrust would last many lifetimes.
#boycottusa #Canada #Denmark #Mexico #Panama #Greenland #theCommonwealth #NATO #Europeanunion #Gaza #Ukraine #Palestine #Yemen
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in reply to Debbie Belair • • •@Scienceisnotopinions There's been a lot of those, actually, but for "some reason" the "free" press in the USA hasn't exactly been rushing to report it.
"I wonder why that might be?" she added while tapping at the ownership list of mass news media.
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in reply to Joe Carr 🇨🇦 • • •America doesn't need an Obama or Biden it needs an FDR or better yet a Bernie Sanders.
Catherine is not giving up.
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in reply to Catherine is not giving up. • • •more than me.
Catherine is not giving up.
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Agreed, but I'm more pessimistic than you on this. I've said a few times that I believe it will take at least one generation, and possibly more, to restore the goodwill that Canada has traditionally had for the USA and its people.
So, ~25 years, or 6 presidential terms for one generation. And that clock doesn't start until the USA's leadership becomes reliably sane again and starts treating us properly. As long as the political landscape in the USA remains "the very next election could bring back a MAGA lunatic", that clock doesn't run.
There's no way this damage can be repaired with just an election of one sane president - i.e. your "faint hope" I don't think exists at all.
#USPol #Canada #insane #MAGA #damage #relations
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in reply to @ NovaNaturalist🇨🇦🇩🇰🇬🇱🇵🇦🇲🇽🇱🇸🇺🇦🏳️🌈 #FBPE • • •The film Civil War (2024) had a pretty concrete idea of what could happen to the USA. Other than the bizarre narrative choice to have Texas and California united in one of the secessionist movements, it seems a pretty realistic portrayal of a possible direction.
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Escaping the heel of the yankee jackboots is definately good for Canada, despite the harm we will suffer to get there.
Chins and Elbows Up!
Doug 🌈🇨🇦
in reply to Joe Carr 🇨🇦 • • •Yes it's permanent. Canadians will never trust America again. Considering it is trade that enriches a society, Trump's war on trade will permanently crippled America's ability to establish profitable trade relationships.
Koen 🇺🇦
in reply to TProphet • • •StanleyHOOTZZ
in reply to TProphet • • •I hope Canada joins NATO. At the rate we are goin, civil war ain't far away. These rich Cocksuckerz-n-their A.I. Drone/Robot Super-Dooper-DOOMSDAY SHELTERZ. So when it all collapses under the weight of this runaway train called capital"ISM" they can retire to shelterz-n-emerge master race???
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in reply to TProphet • • •Captain Jack Sparrow
in reply to TProphet • • •So ot seems like trump is taking lessons from his owner putin, who trump idolises.
Canada is trump's Ukraine.
#TrumpRegime #DictatorTrump
EndicottRoad59
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in reply to TProphet • • •He's talking about the US--Canadian border like it's the 38th parallel or the border in Ireland: a point of tension for decades.
This guy is insane and you are right to defend yourselves from him.
@tprophet
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Nochem ben Shlomo
in reply to TProphet • • •Many people in the US ended up here by accident. When my family fled the Russian Czars, my grandfather came through Canada to the US. He could have easily stayed in Montreal.
This is not a struggle between nation states. This is a struggle between fascism and democracy.
Many in the US want Canada to lead the way to resist the rise of fascism and your resistance helps us. Democracy and liberty depend on Canada standing up against the criminal and sex offender in power in the White House.
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in reply to Nochem ben Shlomo • • •@Nochem
A little extra graffiti on your post:
"Katie Johnson was 13!"
Yvonne ‘looks undocumented’
in reply to TProphet • • •Thank you for posting this timeline!
I follow news closely and half of these statements were new to me—imagine how badly informed the Fox news crowd must be? or those who only get their news from certain podcasts or YouTube channels?
Very dangerous stuff, this disinformation.
robcornelius
in reply to TProphet • • •Mike Fraser
in reply to TProphet • • •Can confirm. There's almost universal outrage. The psychological damage to the relationship with the US is extreme and personal.
Example: I was in an elevator with a number of people and a young delivery person was wearing a jacket with a us flag patch on it. After he got off someone remarked "He's brave wearing that around here" everyone replied in agreement. Six months ago no one would've noticed.
Kerfuffle
in reply to TProphet • • •dxzdb
in reply to Kerfuffle • • •@kerfuffle I learned here that at least some Canadians are offended by the idea of states joining them.
It’s amazing how much damage one guy can do - of course he's had a lot of help from Rethuglicans.
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OK, 25%.