an unelected billionaire storming into US agencies, installing his unqualified and unapproved lackeys, purging civil servants, seizing access to sensitive data and payments, unilaterally eliminating federal agencies: fine
identifying the lackeys: illegal
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in reply to Molly White • • •Immigrants picking lettuce: "A threat to our republic!"
An immigrant rummaging through our Treasury: "ZZZZZZZ"
Today's GOP -- Hating America since 1962.
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in reply to D3 • • •Calm down, friends, in a real rotten state ransacked by some fascist militia you'd never be told in advance that they'll come for you, even less so would the gangster in chief in person be the one to tell you.
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in reply to Molly White • • •Honesty, both are wrong. Naming private individuals publicly is just as wrong as giving access to someone like Muck. The ones who have to be hold accountable are the once agreeing to it in the first place. All of this is giving me the ick.
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In Bulgaria we had a very nasty anty LGBTQ law managed to pass in schools and there are a list of teachers signing a petition against it. The petition and the names are technically public. The farthest right wing party posted a "black-list" of those teachers to their far right audience and excused themselves saying it's public information. There was harassment, there were dead threats. It was a mess. Do you see now why technicality means nothing in these situations? Wrong is wrong, morally wrong. Is it technically a crime as per Musky suggestion - probably not but still not a move I can support.
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... Show more...I'm absolutely not against information being public as I wasn't against the petition being public. But it's one thing having it avaliable to whoever decides to purposely look for it and a whole other thing to p
Honesty, both are wrong. Naming private individuals publicly is just as wrong as giving access to someone like Muck. The ones who have to be hold accountable are the once agreeing to it in the first place. All of this is giving me the ick.
Edit ot add:
In Bulgaria we had a very nasty anty LGBTQ law managed to pass in schools and there are a list of teachers signing a petition against it. The petition and the names are technically public. The farthest right wing party posted a "black-list" of those teachers to their far right audience and excused themselves saying it's public information. There was harassment, there were dead threats. It was a mess. Do you see now why technicality means nothing in these situations? Wrong is wrong, morally wrong. Is it technically a crime as per Musky suggestion - probably not but still not a move I can support.
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I'm absolutely not against information being public as I wasn't against the petition being public. But it's one thing having it avaliable to whoever decides to purposely look for it and a whole other thing to post it as a sort of black-list to an angry crowd on the other side of the political spectrum as some sort of silent punishment -esque move.
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in reply to Mᴀʏᴀ • • •@mayaisloading @mwguy stupid college kids with decision making power...
Come on dummy, keep the fuck up.
mwguy
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in reply to Mᴀʏᴀ • • •Jonny Axelsson
in reply to Mᴀʏᴀ • • •@mayaisloading @mwguy Following orders is not an excuse when committing a crime.
Expect them to suffer the consequences, while their bosses will get out of jail pardons.
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in reply to Jonny Axelsson • • •Sure, that strategy will work as well as it worked preventing the problem in November.
Dima Pasechnik 🇺🇦 🇳🇱
in reply to Mᴀʏᴀ • • •there's even a concept of citizen's arrest in many countries, including USA; these kids are committing a crime.
If a private citizen (usually this just means literally anyone, the citizenship doesn't matter) arrests, leave alone names, any of them, it would be perfectly legal.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citize…
The concept of a private citizen being able to make a formal arrest
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Mᴀʏᴀ
in reply to Dima Pasechnik 🇺🇦 🇳🇱 • • •Crimes only matter if significant enough portion of the people understand they are crimes. Work on increasing this, the rest is counter productive.
If tomorrow more than half of the world decides murder is not a crime, you can scream the names of murderers to your less than half of the world echo chamber all you want and you will achieve nothing. Trying to shut my points with technicality is precisely why this has even been allowed to happen in November. Because instead of a welcoming open conversation, the liberals are crying "nazis" in the liberals echo chembers and basically change the opinion to no one. Then when the vote was clear, it was such a surprise because one could have never guessed it from the highly liberal echo chamber. And it's very unfortunate turn of events. But yeah, by any means, continue doing the same mistake over and over again.
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in reply to Mᴀʏᴀ • • •Mᴀʏᴀ
in reply to Dima Pasechnik 🇺🇦 🇳🇱 • • •Well, guess what, republicans kinda of tried it 4 years ago and failed miserably. Why? Because they significantly overestimated the number of people willing to do it. We get to the same point you need enough number of people in your corner.
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in reply to Dima Pasechnik 🇺🇦 🇳🇱 • • •I might misunderstand what that visa means but I can't imagine living my home country for a country I feel is in need of revolution.
Dima Pasechnik 🇺🇦 🇳🇱
in reply to Mᴀʏᴀ • • •@mayaisloading home country? oh well, not everyone really has one. Our home "country" can be perhaps described, qua our passports, as European Union, at best; the only EU language everyone in the family speaks is English. We relocated from UK, where medical services didn't provide our not very healthy son adequate care (any idea how inadequately treated epilepsy looks like?), and schools were routinely excluding him. At least the latter two things are much better here in Illinois, believe it or not.
H1-B visa is a standard temporary employment US visa.
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in reply to mwguy • • •You need enough people to belive it's a crime to punish anyone and at the moment you don't as it was shown in November, so I don't see how this would result it a success at this moment.
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in reply to Mᴀʏᴀ • • •@mayaisloading hi Maya, do you think that they do not understand what they have agreed to be the instruments of?
I suppose they know perfectly well what they are doing, and do not care at all that it is illegal because they are aware that once there is no democratic administration, they will never face any consequences. I would not absolve them of their responsibility.
I think people agreeing to dismantle a country under a fascist are the issue.
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in reply to Mᴀʏᴀ • • •@mayaisloading we clearly have different perspectives and levels of faith in humankind.
I see these men as complicit in a coup. If they do not care to check if their actions are criminal, that's less important. "I didn't know it is a crime" is not really a defense, and here we're not talking public consumption of alcohol, or advocating for a repressed minority, but dismantling a country. It's serious and deserves public outcry.
We won't agree on it but thanks for the reply.
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in reply to Dolls Against Gravity • • •Thank you for the "agree to disagree" aproach. Just wahted to clear I'm not against a public outcry here, it's needed, I just disagree with the way it's done.
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in reply to sheislaurence • • •I would say, keep a known database with government figures that everyone could access if they want to, don't just flash them to a social media angry crowd that has a good amount of toxic individual in any side of the molitical spectrum, focus on the ones enabling the actions, rather than the ones doing the "diry work" because without being enabled it wouldn't have happend and also strongly focus on the action itself and why it is the wrong choice not in a "us vs them" manner but in a more open conversation manner so it could actually get to much more people and not just the once who already know it's wrong and a problem. That's my 2 cents, that's how I would try tackling a similar situation. It's not perfect but I believe it's at least a tiny bit more effective than mockery and silent intimidation to a handful of collage kids.
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I don't see how these are the same things. The teachers in your example were signing a petition protesting a law and were singled out for that.
These guys are *committing crimes* against the government and people.ot.the US. They may even be stealing from us. So they need to be identified publicly to make sure that that can be held accountable for any and all crimes they commit or abet.
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in reply to Ehay2k • • •Ok, I might misunderstand the situation 'cause I'm not following closely at all but isn't it basically Trump creating a new government agency with Musky who is given the power to bring whoever he find fitting? (I'm not saying any involvement in Musk or another billionaire with no political experience is ever a right option but if that's the case, it's not a crime, it's dumb governance, or if it's a crime /I don't know the US legal system/ it is a crime from Trump, not from random tech guys brought for the job)
Btw, the far right said also they are outing the teachers because "those teachers are threatening to break the law and families should protect their children from them and ask the schools from explanation". I'm not saying they are right in the slightest but using this argument enables the far right of saying it through their prism and using it to promote hate and alienation so I feel it's just a shaky ground to step onto. Information has to be public but listing individuals on social media is a different step. Information could be public without this too.
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You are close but not quite there yet. There is no official government agency. Musk has been given carte blanche control over federal information technology systems, even though he is not a federal employee, has not been approved by any government entity, and does not hold the requisite security clearances for 99% of what he's doing.
They just show up and say give us the keys.
There is no audit. This is 100% criminal.
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in reply to Molly White • • •can't wait for all the top secret military stuff to be released.
That's what he means, right?
... Right?
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in reply to Molly White • • •See also the comment by @tante in this thread: tldr.nettime.org/@tante/113939…
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in reply to Molly White • • •he forgot to put the asterisk (*)
(*) except my data of course
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in reply to Molly White • • •I tend to favor radical transparency myself but we can't trust *this* regime to do it honestly.
They'll release my tax and other info for public scrutiny while hiding Trump's.
It's all or nothing, they get to release *everything* or they get to STFU and follow the law.
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in reply to Molly White • • •Nine Oh Real
in reply to Molly White • • •lonE just wants to be the only one painting targets...
Btw, good screenshots which, in my oppinion, would be even better with the original timestamp. The fifth one just hasn´t one.
RRB
in reply to Molly White • • •The fact that he is financially dependent on china and has un-monitored phone calls with Putin obviously should have no bearing on this. I am certain that any US government employee applying for a security clearance while receiving massive payments from China would be cleared without any problems.
On the other hand, Musk and Thiel do make Trump's statements that emigrants are destroying our country more plausible.
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in reply to Molly White • • •Richard W. Woodley ELBOWS UP 🇨🇦🌹🚴♂️📷 🗺️
in reply to Molly White • • •Great so when is Elon releasing his tax records and that of all of his companies to the public as a gesture of good faith and all his companies government contracts.
##GooseGander
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in reply to Molly White • • •yeah sure
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in reply to Molly White • • •I don't know why they let them in. If they don't have valid building passes they should not got past the security area. Next time when they show up detain them and have the police escort them out in handcuffs.
If they are to be allowed access then the type of passes that is for visitors is issued and they are escorted 100% of the time, no exceptions.
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in reply to Molly White • • •I was reminded recently of this video essay by Skip Intro
Hypocrisy doesn’t matter, because they don’t see it as hypocrisy. While the video is primarily about Jon Stewart, it applies to pretty much every attempt to try and lay “hypocrisy traps” for the right. They don’t care because the point isn’t that _no one_ should do those things, it’s that they believe in a hierarchy and only those at the top of the hierarchy should do those things.
youtu.be/WVrbVYnUYmY?si=V8nGIw…
- YouTube
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in reply to Molly White • • •vruz
in reply to Molly White • • •It seems that the FBI didn't get the memo when he announced it.
You and I can think many things of this guy, but that he didn't give a warning isn't one of them.
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in reply to Molly White • • •I'm seriously scared of what will come out of this.
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Reposting from another comment of mine:
In Bulgaria we had a very nasty anty LGBTQ law managed to pass in schools and there are a list of teachers signing a petition against it. The petition and the names are technically public. The farthest right wing party posted a "black-list" of those teachers to their far right audience and excused themselves saying it's public information. It was a mess. Do you see now why technicality means nothing in these situations? Wrong is wrong, morally wrong. Is it technically a crime as per Musky suggestion - probably not but still not a move I can support.
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in reply to Molly White • • •Ehay2k
in reply to Molly White • • •And is there any kind of audit to the changes #Musk and his team are making?
For example, do we know if he has just moved 50 billion into his private account? Or to Trump's? Or to Putin's? There are no controls on this anymore. The fox is in the hen house, and he has a gun.
LaemenPang
in reply to Molly White • • •Thats why when I was a DoD subcontractor doing PenTests, I always laughed at shit like #EthicalHacking, #Sans and #Cissp. #BangingUsAllInTheFuckingFace.
Security is not compatible with #Fascism , #Capitalism or #Oligarcy
Good thing we have that #CyberSecurity #Industry
Put a fucking quarter in my ass and yours, because we played ourselves.
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in reply to Molly White • • •Thats low dick energy. The front face of the ruling class in USA is so pathetic. They look like a bunch of losers that got rejected and try vengeance at all costs.
Just look at zuck, altman and elon. They are so pathetic.
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#RepublicansOwnThis
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in reply to Molly White • • •Joe Hill 🇵🇸🇺🇦
in reply to Molly White • • •IMPEACH TRUMP NOW. TODAY. AND EVERYDAY UNTIL THE MIDTERMS.
podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/…
MUSK AND TRUMP ARE STAGING A COUP (AND HOW TO STOP IT) - 2.3.25
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in reply to Molly White • • •Is this discussion below this post for real?
Those individuals are braking into the "Fort Knox of data" of american citizens and ya all discuss if it's a "wrong move" to call out their names and show their pictures? Seriously?
Am don't care who is their boss. It doesn't matter.
They have NO right to be in there.
They are not authorized whatsoever to access all those datas afaik. And for sure NOT to download them.
But may be i am just stupid and "don't understand" anything.🙄
CheriSwears
in reply to Molly White • • •also - Musk has a huge CONFLICT OF INTEREST, Starlink has contracts with the federal government.
He's a fraud, not an auditor.
#Musk #ConflictOfInterest
krolden
in reply to Molly White • • •I really wish he actually killed twitter
Also got link to the tweet?
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in reply to Molly White • • •LOL! Enemy of regulations Musk like:
"You have committed a crime."
Yeah, must be being guilty of still being in Elon's Xhitpool.
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in reply to Molly White • • •there is a protest AT the treasury tomorrow at 5PM, organized by @indivisibleteam
I encourage anyone who can attend (peacefully of course) to do so, and to check their TL and consider boosting if you haven't
here's the actual link
mobilize.us/moveon/event/75271…
We Choose to Fight: Nobody Elected Elon!
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in reply to Molly White • • •Mᴀʏᴀ
Unknown parent • • •Mᴀʏᴀ
Unknown parent • • •Because the conversation is kept to a very closed liberal crowd who already knew it's a problem and are using the time to mock a bunch of college students and silently intimidate them instead of making an open conversation about why the action is problematic and getting more people on their side. The same crowd who hasn't been enough to prevent it in November and wouldn't be enough by doing the same thing that was done then - laughing among themselves how stupid the republicans are and alienating instead of educating anyone who dares to get to the liberal part of the internet with not "liberal enough" opinion. Great PR, guys.
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Unknown parent • • •It's pretty relevant if it's shown as ineffective and it's shown as ineffective because good part of the compain against Trump was repeating his charges and crimes and that didn't do shit.
Mᴀʏᴀ
Unknown parent • • •The point of my comment clearly is "change the strategy to something more useful" not "scrap laws". But I guess it's easier to do the same thing over again and afterwords cry about it leading to no better result.
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in reply to Anko Brand Ambassador 🎇 • • •@jimbob @solitha @mwguy
I mean they might be handpicked because of their knowledge or because of their ignorance. The second is also a possible strategy. I don't like assumptions.
But the point is, if they just disappear into thin air tomorrow, half an hour later there would be a new team assembled. Nothing would change. But if Trump or Musk disappear, everything would change. So any strategy against the tech guys is basically fruitless at this stage in particular and not worth moving the focuse from the core issue. On top of the lack of morals I see behind black lists.
Mᴀʏᴀ
Unknown parent • • •I literally listed a paragraph of more useful strategy to a comment of yours. And you chose to address none of it. And now you act dumbfounded as if I just said nothing works and suggested no alternative. Nah, I didn't suggest a detailed (for a social media comment) alternatives I believe to be much more fruitful.
Also, I don't know what "complaining to multiple people" suppose to mean. I came into the thread, I presented a different viewpoint, which apparently doesn't happen much on social media echo chambers unfortunately. Than I proceeded to answer the comments that popped under my original comment. I'm not like picking people from the thread who didn't interacted to me..?
Lastly, naming them didn't "offend my sensibility", it reminded me of this approach being used to scare and silence people into obedience to a very discriminatory law. Which is apparently the second thing you have failed to read before making the points in your comment.
Mᴀʏᴀ
Unknown parent • • •Being a Musk fanboy is not a crime in itself, believe it or not. And yes, the intimidating strategy is exactly what I have problem with.
Mᴀʏᴀ
Unknown parent • • •Do you not understand the concept of open discussion and that doesn't alienate people outside your immediate political view, so you have any chance of moving their views in your direction? 🤔
Mᴀʏᴀ
Unknown parent • • •Sorry, didn't know charecters limit is an issue. I'm not that concerned about them in particular, more about normalizing this approach makes it into a good weapon towards other people (for example the ones protesting the law) and being justified by "well, you did it first".
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Unknown parent • • •How, with a minority in numbers?
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Unknown parent • • •@solitha @jimbob @mwguy
If it goes down, it's kinda too late, don't you think?
Yeah, of course, our far right were so pround of themselves they are using this intimidation strategy to "protect our children". Such pure intentions, such a nobel use!
0xdeadbeef90
in reply to Molly White • • •Actually he and his team are legitimate government personnel (Musk is a Special Government employee). Doge is a legal dept. within the OMB. It's a reorganization and rename of the United States Digital Service (which was also created by an EO under Obama).
Also, every federal agency is staffed with unelected people, none of the employees in these agencies are elected and many of them have access to your information every day. So this is nothing novel.
I understand partisan/ideological biases are at play but I would actually have thought everyone would be in favor of uncovering waste and fraud in the government, regardless of which side is in power. We are already seeing tons of waste being uncovered, much you can't possibly debate as not being ridiculous.
The real problem though, is government itself. Both parties are corrupt in their own way (though both love wars). Government always increases in size and becomes more corrupt since government attracts the sociopaths in society. I challenge people to open their minds, think outside the box, step outside of tribal
... Show more...Actually he and his team are legitimate government personnel (Musk is a Special Government employee). Doge is a legal dept. within the OMB. It's a reorganization and rename of the United States Digital Service (which was also created by an EO under Obama).
Also, every federal agency is staffed with unelected people, none of the employees in these agencies are elected and many of them have access to your information every day. So this is nothing novel.
I understand partisan/ideological biases are at play but I would actually have thought everyone would be in favor of uncovering waste and fraud in the government, regardless of which side is in power. We are already seeing tons of waste being uncovered, much you can't possibly debate as not being ridiculous.
The real problem though, is government itself. Both parties are corrupt in their own way (though both love wars). Government always increases in size and becomes more corrupt since government attracts the sociopaths in society. I challenge people to open their minds, think outside the box, step outside of tribal politics and read books such as "Democracy, The God That Failed" by Hoppe, "Anatomy of the State" by Rothbard, "Road to Serfdom" by Hayek, "Chaos Theory" by Murphy. A big part of the problem is education (because of our horrible education system). Most people don't even know what federalism is or how the US was structured (tldr; it's a union of states not a single nation state).
Also, and not quite related to this post but realize everything goes in cycles, everything. From milankovitch and lunar cycles, climate, financial markets, and even generational cycles. These days are playing out similarily to past war/generational cycles and so these last couple decades promised to be turbulent based on the timing of where we are in these cycles. (Highly recommend reading both The Fourth Turning and The Fourth Turning is Here to understand this).