There's a brewery I love that does a beer designed as a weed beer but no thc or even cbd. The hops they use are so skunky, you'd swear you were just drinking weed.
My wife buys me flowers and it makes me feel really special. She doesn't care for flowers at all, but she knows that I do, which makes me appreciate that much more that she'd pick out and pay for something that only I like.
Funny. But for real, phytoestrogens have really been slandered by masculine culture so afraid of anything femme.
Phytoestrogens, like those found in soy, actually make the body produce less estrogen and tend to help regulate estrogen hormonal production.
It does not just make you more feminine and make it harder to get strong unlike most manosphere peeps believe about "soyboys." I wonder if the phytoestrogens in beer are the same way.
The Effects of the Hops Phytoestrogen in Beer on Breast Cancer Risk nutritionfacts.org/blog/the-ef… tl/dr - beer because of the ethanol, and 8-PN from hops, which is a selective estrogen receptor alpha promoter is proliferative on breast cells thus increasing breast cancer risk. And at the same time lowers risk for osteoporosis.
Tho' some sources (greenskybio.com/hops_extract/3…) say 8-PN exists at extremely low concentrations in beer as it is served.
Hops have been used for centuries as a flavoring agent in beer, but “ver the years, a recurring suggestion has been that hops”—and therefore beer—may be
The second link says it affects estrogen levels though, which is why I'm confused.
Is this new research?
Edit: the corroborating link the article provides doesn't really show much about how the study was conducted
Editedit: found what they were citing, but it's from the 90s, so it's very much not new, and it doesn't actually support what the article is claiming.
The studies described in the previous sections strongly support the hypothesis that congeners present in alcoholic beverages can produce measurable estrogenic effects, even at moderate drinking levels. Specifically, those studies found the following:
Alcoholic beverage congeners exerted estrogenic effects both in an experimental animal model and in post-menopausal women.
The estrogenic effects of alcoholic beverage congeners were detectable using a variety of estrogenic markers, including the pituitary hormones LH (in OVEX rats and postmenopausal women), FSH, and prolact
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The second link says it affects estrogen levels though, which is why I'm confused.
Is this new research?
Edit: the corroborating link the article provides doesn't really show much about how the study was conducted
Editedit: found what they were citing, but it's from the 90s, so it's very much not new, and it doesn't actually support what the article is claiming.
The studies described in the previous sections strongly support the hypothesis that congeners present in alcoholic beverages can produce measurable estrogenic effects, even at moderate drinking levels. Specifically, those studies found the following:
Alcoholic beverage congeners exerted estrogenic effects both in an experimental animal model and in post-menopausal women.
The estrogenic effects of alcoholic beverage congeners were detectable using a variety of estrogenic markers, including the pituitary hormones LH (in OVEX rats and postmenopausal women), FSH, and prolactin (in postmenopausal women); uterus weight (in OVEX rats); and the estrogen-responsive liver proteins HDL cholesterol and SHBG (in postmenopausal women).
In both the experimental animals and the postmenopausal women, the changes in the levels of all estrogenic markers were consistent with the presence of biologically active phytoestrogens in the congeners.
Red wine congeners and bourbon congeners produced similar estrogenic effects in experimental animals and in postmenopausal women.
Alcoholic beverages contain not only alcohol but also numerous other substances (i.e., congeners) that may contribute to the beverages’ physiological effects. Plants used to produce alcoholic beverages contain estrogenlike substances (i.e., ...
Right, so all of this indicates that phytoestrogens indeed do have effects on mice and human estrogen related physiology. The effects can be a little puzzling, though. As I understand it, there are two types of estrogen receptors, Alpha and Beta. And there are many phytoestrogens as well as estrogenic chemicals that we are exposed to, with the one's in beer binding to Estrogen Receptor Alpha, which signals breast cells and breast cancer cells to proliferate. The binding affinity of the phytoestrogens is weaker than that of the endogenous estrogen. None the less when a given phytoestrogen is bound to a given receptor it gives a slightly weaker estrogen-like signal, and simultaneously prevents the binding of the endogenous estrogen (can't fit two keys into a single lock at the same time), which has a stronger affinty, and thus stronger effect when it is bound to the receptor. So in an individual with lots of estrogen, the phytoestrogen may lower the estrogenic signal, and in someone with less estrogen it may augment the estrogenic signal in the body. Does that make sense? Do you have q... Show more...
Right, so all of this indicates that phytoestrogens indeed do have effects on mice and human estrogen related physiology. The effects can be a little puzzling, though. As I understand it, there are two types of estrogen receptors, Alpha and Beta. And there are many phytoestrogens as well as estrogenic chemicals that we are exposed to, with the one's in beer binding to Estrogen Receptor Alpha, which signals breast cells and breast cancer cells to proliferate. The binding affinity of the phytoestrogens is weaker than that of the endogenous estrogen. None the less when a given phytoestrogen is bound to a given receptor it gives a slightly weaker estrogen-like signal, and simultaneously prevents the binding of the endogenous estrogen (can't fit two keys into a single lock at the same time), which has a stronger affinty, and thus stronger effect when it is bound to the receptor. So in an individual with lots of estrogen, the phytoestrogen may lower the estrogenic signal, and in someone with less estrogen it may augment the estrogenic signal in the body. Does that make sense? Do you have questions?
Why does beer keep getting singled out when red wine and bourbon produce similar effects?
Edit: Also a bit peeved, because I've got hashimotos and talked to a dietician about diet affecting my hormone troubles, and they assured me plant hormones didn't have an effect on humans.
No clue, not really sure it's the case that beer is being singled out. The original post was about beer. We could talk about the other phytoestrogens, and/or other estrogenic chemicals.
Rye kernels and rye bread, sure, but not rye spirit. Bitter aromas generally don't make it through the distillation process. Rye whiskey does have a lot of oak tannins, but it shares that property with bourbon. I would agree that bourbon tastes somewhat "sweeter" than rye, but it's a subtle difference.
(hopped) Beer tastes like utter shit and I don't understand how anyone can stomach the equivalent of watering down unsweetened cacao with a worse aftertaste and the lack of alcohol content to actually make you drunk, with the additional negative that you're basically drinking bad tasting bread so you're gonna become fat
Liking beer or not is a matter of personal tastes. However, if the beer tastes like "watered down unsweetened cocoa", then it's probably poor quality beer. Good beer should taste different from everything, even other beers.
Dreadbeef recommended IPA; if you're into bitter flavours, I also recommend it. There's also sweet stouts if you like sweeter ones. (Juuust in case you're here from LatAm, note mass produced pilsener are typically really bland and meh. A lot of people like it this way, that's fine, but it would explain why you think it's watered down cocoa.)
Beer is basically flower juice. Also, I'm still non-binary, I prefer gender-neutral and feminine terms, and I will transition in the future. Seriously!
The present data on men and children indicate that estrogens in milk were absorbed, and gonadotropin secretion was suppressed, followed by a decrease in testosterone secretion.
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terpene profiles are very similar so you get those "skunky" and "diesel" hoppy beers
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Flowers are for men
Or for everyone if you're a woke lib who thinks women can appreciate flowers.
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in reply to sik0fewl • • •Funny. But for real, phytoestrogens have really been slandered by masculine culture so afraid of anything femme.
Phytoestrogens, like those found in soy, actually make the body produce less estrogen and tend to help regulate estrogen hormonal production.
It does not just make you more feminine and make it harder to get strong unlike most manosphere peeps believe about "soyboys." I wonder if the phytoestrogens in beer are the same way.
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The Effects of the Hops Phytoestrogen in Beer on Breast Cancer Risk
nutritionfacts.org/blog/the-ef…
tl/dr - beer because of the ethanol, and 8-PN from hops, which is a selective estrogen receptor alpha promoter is proliferative on breast cells thus increasing breast cancer risk. And at the same time lowers risk for osteoporosis.
Tho' some sources (greenskybio.com/hops_extract/3…) say 8-PN exists at extremely low concentrations in beer as it is served.
The Effects of the Hops Phytoestrogen in Beer on Breast Cancer Risk ?>
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in reply to rainwall • • •The second link says it affects estrogen levels though, which is why I'm confused.
Is this new research?
Edit: the corroborating link the article provides doesn't really show much about how the study was conducted
Editedit: found what they were citing, but it's from the 90s, so it's very much not new, and it doesn't actually support what the article is claiming.
The studies described in the previous sections strongly support the hypothesis that congeners present in alcoholic beverages can produce measurable estrogenic effects, even at moderate drinking levels. Specifically, those studies found the following:
- Alcoholic beverage congeners exerted estrogenic effects both in an experimental animal model and in post-menopausal women.
- The estrogenic effects of alcoholic beverage congeners were detectable using a variety of estrogenic markers, including the pituitary hormones LH (in OVEX rats and postmenopausal women), FSH, and prolact
... Show more...The second link says it affects estrogen levels though, which is why I'm confused.
Is this new research?
Edit: the corroborating link the article provides doesn't really show much about how the study was conducted
Editedit: found what they were citing, but it's from the 90s, so it's very much not new, and it doesn't actually support what the article is claiming.
The studies described in the previous sections strongly support the hypothesis that congeners present in alcoholic beverages can produce measurable estrogenic effects, even at moderate drinking levels. Specifically, those studies found the following:
Alcoholic Beverages as a Source of Estrogens - PMC
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in reply to Atelopus-zeteki • • •Why does beer keep getting singled out when red wine and bourbon produce similar effects?
Edit: Also a bit peeved, because I've got hashimotos and talked to a dietician about diet affecting my hormone troubles, and they assured me plant hormones didn't have an effect on humans.
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in reply to fossilesque • • •beer tastes like SHIT tastes like gross ass BREAD water where as BREAD tastes like GOOD as bread BREAD
we only drink spirits in this mfer
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in reply to BeeegScaaawyCripple • • •Rye kernels and rye bread, sure, but not rye spirit. Bitter aromas generally don't make it through the distillation process. Rye whiskey does have a lot of oak tannins, but it shares that property with bourbon. I would agree that bourbon tastes somewhat "sweeter" than rye, but it's a subtle difference.
Also, rye is a grain, not a herb.
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in reply to Moidialectica [he/him, comrade/them] • • •Liking beer or not is a matter of personal tastes. However, if the beer tastes like "watered down unsweetened cocoa", then it's probably poor quality beer. Good beer should taste different from everything, even other beers.
Dreadbeef recommended IPA; if you're into bitter flavours, I also recommend it. There's also sweet stouts if you like sweeter ones. (Juuust in case you're here from LatAm, note mass produced pilsener are typically really bland and meh. A lot of people like it this way, that's fine, but it would explain why you think it's watered down cocoa.)
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