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Jolla Phone deliveries have officially begun!
What started with a very ambitious goal in December has become a reality. It was an incredible milestone delivered by the Jolla Team with amazing support of our community ❤️ Last week, we handed over the first Jolla Phones to early backers at our launch event in Helsinki, and now we're moving into Batch #1 deliveries.
Here's what happens next:
Batch #1 (around 2,700 orders!) will start shipping in order of purchase. Please allow 2–3 weeks for all Batch #1 deliveries to get rolling.
Batch #2: we target to ship some early orders by the end of July but most shippings are expected in early to mid-August.
Batch #3 we target to start shipping by end of August.
For those who ordered the Snow White: due to a last-minute manufacturing issu
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Jolla Phone deliveries have officially begun!
What started with a very ambitious goal in December has become a reality. It was an incredible milestone delivered by the Jolla Team with amazing support of our community ❤️ Last week, we handed over the first Jolla Phones to early backers at our launch event in Helsinki, and now we're moving into Batch #1 deliveries.
Here's what happens next:
Batch #1 (around 2,700 orders!) will start shipping in order of purchase. Please allow 2–3 weeks for all Batch #1 deliveries to get rolling.
Batch #2: we target to ship some early orders by the end of July but most shippings are expected in early to mid-August.
Batch #3 we target to start shipping by end of August.
For those who ordered the Snow White: due to a last-minute manufacturing issue, the Snow White TOHs will be shipped in backorder at no extra cost. Meanwhile, Snow White phone customers will receive The Orange with their phone and the Snow White in a follow-up shipment.
Thank you to everyone who's backed the project and supported us along the way. We're really excited to get a Jolla Phone into your hands and appreciate your patience as we work through every order.
Hi there, On December 5, 2025 as we launched the Jolla Phone project and started to take pre-orders, we were somewhat nervous here at the Jolla Tampere office and uncertain what is ahead of us.
Researchers have reconstructed and transcribed a mathematical formula from the site of Xultun, Guatemala, revealing the name of a Maya astronomer for the first time.
New blog post featuring Plasma 6.7, the all-new usb-signaller for handling USB gadgets that works well with mainline by @dylanvanassche, two talks by @pabloyoyoista and @bart and more! 😃
Killed by Google is the open source list of dead Google products, services, and devices. It serves as a tribute and memorial of beloved services and products killed by Google.
I would be terrified to stand in þe middle of a road in þat costume. Even wiþ someone else þere to watch, even on a deserted, infrequently used road - it takes only one car barreling around þat corner at highway speeds, expecting noone to be in þe road, looking down at þeir phone... what's your reaction time in þat? How well can you hear, how fast can you run?
Some street art is not complete until a tree, weed, leaf, or fallen log joins the story! Nature is not just a boring backdrop here. It becomes wild hair, a funny face, a secret forest, or a brilliant joke.
These stunning photos show true street art magic. Watch what happens when artists stop fighting the environment and start playing with it.
🌱 Sibling Pep Talk — By David Zinn in Michigan, USA 🇺🇸
David Zinn turns a tiny crack in the pavement into an emotional masterpiece. The little green chalk character stands under a wild living hairstyle made from a real weed. It is sweet, funny, and very Zinn. This small street art surprise makes nature feel like a true friend.
💡 Nerd Fact: David Zinn has been making original artwork around Ann Arbor since 1987, and his artist bio says his temporary street drawings are improvised on location with chalk, charcoal, and found objects. That means the weed is not just decoration. It is part of the raw material that tells him what the creature should become.
🍂 “Colos Curva” — By Jon Foreman in Little Milford Woods, Wales 🇬🇧
Jon Foreman uses the forest floor like a giant paint palette. Fallen leaves become bright bands of color. The tree trunk turns into a stunning natural canvas. This woodland scene is a beautiful geometric painting. It feels ancient and futuristic at the very same time. This quiet design will eventually return to the earth.
💡 Land Art Fact: Foreman’s practice is rooted in Land Art, but the vanishing part is not a failure. Meditative Story notes that weather, tide, climate, and even human interference often make his works disappear, and that this has become part of his creative process.
🌊 Spirit in Driftwood — By Debra Bernier in Victoria, Canada 🇨🇦
Debra Bernier lets the beautiful wood speak for itself. The natural curve of the driftwood becomes a frame and a beautiful crown. A sleeping face rests peacefully inside. It looks exactly like a magical forest spirit that has lived there all along.
💡 Ocean Nerd Fact: Bernier does not see driftwood as a blank canvas. On her Shaping Spirit artist page, she describes each piece as already shaped by the earth, ocean, and the moon’s influence on the tides. Her job is closer to uncovering a story than forcing a shape.
🌳 Family Tree — By Falko One in Riebeek West, South Africa 🇿🇦
Falko One perfectly connects a living tree to a broken wall. He paints branches that brilliantly transform into reaching human arms. The real trunk anchors this stunning street art mural. The painted limbs stretch out to find contact. It is a powerful piece about finding connection through damage.
💡 Street Art Nerd Fact: Falko One is known for site-specific work that tries to add color without overpowering the place. In an interview with Colossal, he said he respects that he is “just a tourist” in a community while painting there. That idea makes this wall feel less like an invasion and more like a conversation with the site.
👀 Googly Eye Tree — By Vanyu Krastev in Sliven, Bulgaria 🇧🇬
Vanyu Krastev proves that street art does not need spray paint or a massive budget. He uses two simple googly eyes and perfect timing. This tree suddenly becomes a confused little character trapped in a fence. It is silly in the absolute best way. Once you see the funny face, you can never unsee it.
💡 Brain Nerd Fact: This is part of “eyebombing,” a form of urban art that uses googly eyes to turn public objects into living characters. Scientific American connects the effect to pareidolia: our brain’s powerful habit of finding faces in ordinary shapes. Krastev is even mentioned as someone who looks for broken, twisted, or crumbling things as perfect candidates.
This clever piece turns a small wall tree into something incredibly sweet. A painted child wraps both arms tightly around a fake pot. It looks exactly like they are carefully carrying the real tree down the street. It sends a beautiful message. Nature is something we must always protect and hold close.
💡 Urban Tree Fact: A little city tree is not just cute scenery. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency notes that urban trees cool streets through shade and evapotranspiration, filter air pollutants, absorb rainfall, and provide habitat. So the hug is emotional, but it is also good urban planning.
🌲 Make Earth Green Again — By HIJACK in Los Angeles, USA 🇺🇸
HIJACK turns a boring wooden fence into a magical street art portal. A painted figure peels the heavy boards wide open. This reveals a lush green world hiding right behind the surface. The environmental punchline is brilliant. It makes us wonder if the nature we miss is still waiting to be uncovered.
💡 Street Art Nerd Fact: HIJACK’s green message fits a wider practice of social commentary. Urban Nation Museum describes him as a Los Angeles-based contemporary artist whose work creates political, social, and cultural commentaries, ranging from one-color stencils to large-scale murals.
Sometimes nature creates the absolute best art all by itself. This broken trunk looks exactly like a wild forest face. The rough bark forms deep wrinkles. Dark holes become staring eyes. Green moss rests on top like a messy haircut. It is a beautiful reminder that the woods are fully alive.
💡 Brain Nerd Fact: The “I can never unsee that face” feeling has a scientific name: pareidolia. Johns Hopkins Magazine explains that our brains are so carefully wired for faces that even vague face-like patterns can trigger the “aha” moment of recognition.
🐗 The Old Sow — By Hannelie Coetzee in Knislinge, Sweden 🇸🇪
Hannelie Coetzee built this huge wild boar at the Wanås Konst sculpture park. She used stacked timber and rough branches. The giant animal hides beautifully among the trees. The sculpture keeps its rough natural texture perfectly. It feels like the boar was born directly from the forest itself. Photo by Mattias Givell.
💡 Wild Boar Fact: This is not only a forest monster. Wanås Konst says Coetzee chose the wild boar because it had returned to Sweden after several centuries away and sparked debate about fear, adaptability, and coexistence with other species. The animal is doing cultural work as well as visual work.
✋ The Giant Hand of Vyrnwy — By Simon O’Rourke in Wales, UK 🇬🇧
Simon O’Rourke transformed a ruined giant tree into a massive reaching hand. The storm-damaged trunk now points proudly toward the sky. The carving honors the memory of the original tree perfectly. It looks like the forest is still trying to grow upward. It is a brilliant tribute to what we can create from what remains.
💡 Tree Carving Fact: The story behind this sculpture is even better than the photo. On Simon O’Rourke’s project page, he explains that the tallest tree in Wales had been storm-damaged and was due to be felled. The surrounding woodland was known as the Giants of Vyrnwy, which inspired the hand as the tree’s “last attempt to reach for the sky.”
For decades, Falko One (previously) has been transforming blank staircases and piles of refuse around South Africa into homes for his technicolor elephants.
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We now pre-install postmarketOS Duranium (immutable version) on mobile devices in our shop!
Duranium's rollback feature make it stable, reliable, and an exciting part of the future of mobile Linux~
Congratulations to the entire postmarket team and #mobilelinux community on amazing efforts bringing linux to a whole new platform, and especially @craftyguy as the lead developer of the Duranium version of @postmarketOS
After three decades, KDE continues to deliver on its promise of a world in which everyone has control over their digital life and enjoys freedom and privacy. To continue to do that, we need your help…
WAIT THIS IS A THING??? I've been thinking about this for MONTHS and never actually searched for anything like this. I'm an idiot. I'll check it out 👍️
LINMOB.net is a blog about LINux on MOBile devices. With the PinePhone (Pro) and Librem 5 shipping it is back to report on GNU+Linux on mobile devices.
So, a few questions: If we have any of these malicious packages installed, what should we do? Are they patched / downgraded with a quick update? Do we have to step through a list somewhere and manually remove them? If so, are there extra steps involved after that? Thanks.
This is probably not the place to offer help - but I haven't figured out how to reach the right people there yet. I believe my OSS project can help with AUR scanning in #archlinux: codeberg.org/atomdrift/scan - it'll take some work to drive the false-positives down, but I'm willing to put in the work.
For a while now the transition away from Manifest V2 (MV2) to MV3 has been on-going and it looks like it is entering its final phase of deprecation, at least, in the case of Google Chrome. A recent discussion thread in the w3c WebExtensions Community Group GitHub repo has highlighted how the latest and upcoming versions of the most popular browser are expected to be its final releases with support for MV2 extensions.
What this essentially means is that the tricks and bypasses that were used to keep MV2 extensions like uBlock Origin and others alive will not work any more on Chrome, or at least not for very long. For example the Windows Registry mod that could extend MV2 availability will cease to function after Chromium version 151.
The line has to go up. That is literally the law. The fact that Youtube has a larger income than Disney doesn't mean it will stop. They can never stop. They just can crash and burn down eventually but only after making a few people very very rich.
Honestly I don't think so, the average person won't bother with changing browser. So they might lose more users but they dont care about those users because they are were using adblock anyways
I worked in ads only a few months and learned how fucked that industry was. They're basically given license to just run scripts in your browser, sucking as much info as they can. The fact that it hasn't been regulated to hell is shocking, and truly a failure of all leaders.
They’re basically given license to just run scripts in your browser
That's the crazy thing.
You want to show me an image, maybe an animated gif, and link it to your website where you're selling shit? Fine. Annoying, but fine.
But I don't care how many crocodile tears they shed about 'but websites depend on ad income' -- I am not letting random, unvetted advertisers run arbitrary code on my computer. I don't care if it's in a sandbox inside a sandbox. Exploits may be found, sandboxes may be escaped. And there's plenty of trouble they can get into even within their little sandbox, like running a fucking crypto miner or something.
So, yeah. Adblock and noscript everywhere and always.
Yes, they can host a GIF on their server & show it to me with a non-personalized link, & promote it where they believe the average reader might be interested in it. Or some reader(s).
Just show me the ads you’re showing everybody else, and make money from sales of useful things & services.
It's not even that hard to have targeted ads while still respecting privacy -- just base the targeting on the other content on the page, rather than on the user.
not enough, what they want is personal data to mine. they cant do that in simple terms. meta, glassdoor, indeed , linkden,(plaid) tries to use convoluted mehtods to get you to give up more personal data than you normally would in order to access the rest of the site.(glassdoor and indeed has an additional reason to want you ridentiy)
The whole industry is bad actors. The quaint, pastoral idea of actually advertising things you genuinely might want to know about is utterly beyond dead, it died the moment they realized they could use the same pipeline to harvest data and manipulate and control people. Using it for mere advertising is a waste of everyone's time and resources when they have an option so much more lucrative on the table.
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Where do their messages still say private? I've not seen that in years. The initialism "PM" seemed to get replaced by "DM" overnight. Also though, many of them didn't lose privacy. Anyone, at the very least in USA, younger than the Patriot Act never had privacy to begin with.
Even many, many lemmy users believe there is a semblance of privacy on the internet today, or in national businesses with modern IP camera tech. It's all gone.
They have enough telemetry to know who you are between all the details the browser gives them. Hell, most people don't even know what a tracking pixel is or how it has been used for well over a decade.
We're at the point with machine learning that the resources required to process all of these datapoints is trivial even when done onboard fairly cheap devices.
I worked on ad stuff for a very short time where they could tell if they showed you an ad a year ago, and another one, and then if you went to a store, that it was all connected. They would know if you went into a store with presence detection that their ad was working.
Oh, not off the top of my head. I can recall at least twice when it worked for me but I can't remember what sites I was visiting. My sister tried to access ticketmaster I think which was blocking her for some reason (She doesn't use a VPN) so I told her to try a user agent switcher. It worked after switching her user agent to Chrome. I'm not saying they delibritly block Firefox but it worked in this instance.
affects mobile the most obviously... but google's playbook is to basically have forced telemetry always and enforce integrity of their telemetry, and by extension advertising etc.
piunikaweb.com/2026/05/07/goog… - this just seems like an ok article for it, I did a simple web search and it came up, but others certainly exist if you dislike the source.
Google’s new reCAPTCHA system quietly made Play Services mandatory for mobile verification, spelling trouble for de-Googled phones and custom Android ROMs.
QR codes are like the popups of days gone by. With incredibly few exceptions, I refuse to scan them. They are so easy to redirect for nefarious purposes, and you can’t easily inspect the url to know, assuming thats something you even do. Also my phone case covers the camera and it’s a bitch to get open so I’m very choosy with what gets camera time.
This entry was edited (Wednesday, June 10, 2026, 3:38 AM)
…just wait until all your favorite search engines integrate it.
At which point they cease to be your favourites, I hope. There are so many alternatives in that space that only inertia keeps people using the Empire of Evil.
On my phone I use URLCheck (available in f-droid). You set it as your default browser app, but instead of opening a browser, it opens a popup where you can see the URL, and use some useful tools like removing tracking parameters or automatically rewriting x.com to xcancel.com. The rewritten URL can then just be forwarded to your actual browser (or whatever app is set up to handle that particular URL).
I still won't actually open random qr code URLs though, especially not ones from google.
Fun fact: many sites that say that they don't support firefox lie, their sites usually support it but they never tested it or they deem firefox "less secure" or some bullshit, but with an useragent spoofer, they will work
Chrome is doing the same thing as Internet Explorer did by not following web standards. There are several websites I have used where the payment process or uploading process only worked in chrome.
Again, this is a problem with chrome doing things that breaks consistency between browsers that are supposed to be following the same web standards.
This entry was edited (Wednesday, June 10, 2026, 11:32 AM)
This should be seriously addressed tbh, someone should make an european initiative to sanction whoever don't follow web standards; I'd make it but i am not really the right person to do it, sadly
That isn't FF support. That is chrome doing the same thing as Internet Explorer did by implementing non-standard functionality to abuse their market dominance.
For people who want an opinionated browser... Yes. They have sponsored shortcuts which cannot be disabled and they ghost out the option to in the settings. If you want to dig around the about:config and tweak things, fine, but I'd rather use a browser I can make my own. Librewolf is excellently bare bones.
Never seen those, and did a fresh install recently too. And zen has a lot of customization options, it's also so damn well designed and is great to use.
I was debugging one of my favourite extensions this week to figure out why it didn't work on firefox. It hadn't been updated in years, so something changed in firefox in the last few months.
I assume the Chrome version still works. I'm not installing it.
I see a lot of comments (justifiably) touting firefox's superiority... but the performance difference is night and day.
My main pc has very weak hardware, and my browser is the most resource intensive application I run. In my environment, I can't leave firefox open with other heavy apps running simultaneously, but I can leave chrome open.
I've used firefox for decades in the past, but the gap is huge and it doesn't look like Mozilla will make the engine changes necessary to close it. Idk if things have changed, but I remember when they axed the Servo team.
I've been using Ungoogled Chromium and I'm hoping this doesn't affect me for a while... but if I have to choose between ads and closing my browser to run heavy apps, I guess I'll be reinstalling firefox.
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Mozilla thought it would be a great idea to install AI features in Firefox and that brilliant decision may be causing your issue. Those AI features use an absurd amount of resources on some websites and when they're enabled on my laptop, FF regularly shows ~50% CPU.
When all that BS is turned off CPU use drops to less than 2% most of the time. Search for "AI Controls" in settings and try shutting them all off.
I did my testing before the AI features were implemented, and I tested a variety of custom profile settings for firefox (and floorp and librefox) and custom chrome flags for ungoogled chromium (and brave)...
Granted, I was using benchmarks, but the differences are somewhere around 15-30% on my machine on Arch
This entry was edited (Tuesday, June 9, 2026, 11:14 PM)
Interesting running those... Haven't had to worry about benchmarks on my system, both Chrome and FF are plenty fast. I do wonder how the performance of Chrome with ads would compare to Firefox with the same ads blocked? Every once in a while I use some one else's computer and can't believe how many animated ads show up on pages I frequent.
Do you just put up with the ads or block them another way?
A custom Firefox `user.js` configuration file optimized for older laptops and low-spec systems. It reduces memory and CPU usage by disabling unnecessary animations, telemetry, and background task...
I don't trust at all that that setting stops AI features from using resources. They even go out of their way to say the features are 'blocked' instead of something more confidence-inducing like removed or uninstalled.
I don't feel bad for people who whine about "well, I have to go into the settings and change a thing". How much did you pay for that browser again? Complacency is what keeps people in abusive ecosystems. Don't be complacent or you're part of the problem.
I don’t feel bad for people who whine about “well, I have to go into the settings and change a thing”. How much did you pay for that browser again? Complacency is what keeps people in abusive ecosystems. Don’t be complacent or you’re part of the problem.
I'm having trouble making any sense of your word salad. Are you triggered because someone dared criticize a bonehead move by Mozilla, or are you upset that anyone's using Firefox's "abusive ecosystem" in the first place? Neither? Both?
Firefox has lost nearly all of their users and now has less than 4% of the market. Adding a "feature" that makes computers virtually unusable without any indication as to why is yet another reason that's happened. Nevertheless, if poor implementation of a feature makes for an "abusive ecosystem" it means that by your definition all software is part of an abusive ecosystem.
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Not sure what your daily browsing is like but Firefox is notably slower across numerous sites than Chrome. And absolutely non-functional for some sites for me.
I mean don't get me wrong, I use Firefox as much as damn near possible. But that's maybe....50% of sites with parity and 25% more if I'm OK with a degraded experience.
I'm curious to know. I mean, I typically have dozens and dozens of tabs open and never shut my computer off. Curious what these numerous sites are, you're the only one that can attest to that.
Strange. No issue here in shitty windows 11 on a lenovo laptop or on my 2019 desktop running Linux. Similar site usage, and some sites I use are using 1GB of RAM each.
This entry was edited (Wednesday, June 10, 2026, 12:50 PM)
Yeah, of course ads aren't an option, but ungoogled chromium still supports mv2 for now and I can't watch a youtube video and play a video game at the same time with firefox on my machine...
Granted, I'm probably trying to make inadequate hardware do more than it should, but chromium works and I don't want to upgrade my hardware right now.
Youtube is especially egregious. I've tried various hardware acceleration settings and h264ify but it really brings my pc to its knees.
Im on linux, and when I run my windows vm (qemu kvm) with either Visual Studio, SQL Server Management Studio, or Fusion 360 in it, firefox on my host machine runnimg youtube just barely pushes it over the edge.
I absolutely recognize how wild what I'm asking this little computer to do is, but I can just get away with it in chromium but not firefox (since the last time I checked)
The day I can do it all with firefox I will be a happy camper
Edit: also, I specifically said games but didn't name one... FFXIV and Deadlock both crash if I'm running youtube in chrome (and Discord at the same time).
I'm using an AMD APU, so just the regular mesa drivers.
The last time I had issues was about a year and a half ago, and I switched to Brave, but a year later (5 months ago) I was convinced to give Ungoogled Chromium another chance by someone here on lemmy (because of all the controversy surrounding Brave).
In the past I always used firefox because its customization features are so much richer, settings werent intrinsically tied to google (or amputated like in ungoogled), and the source code is more comprehensible (firefox is so neatly organized and easy to build yourself, and chromium is a giant mess under the hood).
I really want to use firefox again... maybe I'll get a dell precision tower off ebay and shove a cheap old nvidia card in it with the proprietary drivers to solve my problems 😅
Performance like opening a link crashes another application like my vms or cad applications or VS or a game. The performance differences are relatively minor, but it really matters on crappy hardware
Remember back in the day when you'd see these little badges on websites saying Best viewed with Internet Explorer? And some sites just wouldn't work right on other browsers?
Soon you went be using any of those shitty sites, either
This doesn't work when I have memory issues. That tab is open as part of my external system of memory for myself so I know what I was trying to do before one of my several issues prevented me finishing.
Bookmarks in mobile Firefox is another issue. Bookmark management is a massive chore. I end up keeping tabs around a lot longer in mobile just to avoid messing with it.
On desktop Firefox with the Bookmark Tab Here extension (native functionality I missed from Chrome), bookmarking and organizing a new page is just two clicks. I use that workflow extensively. Apparently I have over 7000 bookmarks all organized that way.
It's basically everything of importance or interest to me accumulated over at least a couple decades originally bookmarked in Firefox, migrated to Chrome, then later migrated back to Firefox.
There's work stuff, recipes, tutorials, videos, music, game mods, character builds, resources saved for family and friends, recommendations, billing reminders, etc. I also use it as a more organized YouTube watchlist.
I'm sure I could knock out 75% of my bookmarks without it being a problem, but they're organized well enough that there's little benefit to pruning it all.
I've started using Karakeep for this. If I haven't used a tab in a while but want it to stick around, throw it to Karakeep, let ai tag it, then close that tab.
I've been using Firefox for decades without issues. Yes, Chrome was a better browser for a long time but Firefox wasn't that far behind and was absolutely fine browser to use.
Do you really think Mozilla could win browser race with Google, the fucking second biggest company in the world? Of course Chrome had more features, it had basically unlimited resources at it disposal. But yeah, let's blame Mozilla for not winning with them decisively.
YOU are shooting yourself in the foot. You abandoned Firefox for couple of features and soon you will be browsing the web with ads. Come back and tell me how extremely useful Chrome's features are when can you no longer skip Youtube ads.
People entirely blind to the idea that they can just choose something else instead of 2 piles of shit, one of which has a cherry on top and was sprayed with perfume recently.
I think this is when @AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com will discreetly not answer or otherwise avoid mentioning the exact websites... (Because there are none)
Yup mostly because I don't care anymore. You're all stating the, "it works on my machine" mantra and I don't care. See my other comments for some examples.
This entry was edited (Wednesday, June 10, 2026, 5:25 AM)
Websites that are actively malicious against firefox, that miraculously work when you have a useragent plugin that makes firefox report that its chrome proving that the site works fine, if the asshole code is removed?
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Firefox for my parents would result in calls every 3 days for sites that aren't working right.
Very difficult to believe. I have had issues with Firefox over the years but in every single instance it was a result of my custom setup. The browser has no major compatibility issues out of the box. I think it's way more likely your parents are technologically illiterate and confuse other problems or gaps in their knowledge as issues with the "new" thing (in this case, the browser).
This entry was edited (Thursday, June 11, 2026, 4:24 AM)
Firefox for my parents would result in calls every 3 days for sites that aren’t working right.
Sorry, what? If they are so tech-illiterate that they have to call you and ask why the website is not working, then what kind of web sites are they visiting?
Been using FF since 2022 and the only sites that wont work are the ones that utilizes HID. Are your parents trying to flash custom firmware for their phones though browser every third day?
Wait, really? The access cripplers are crazily powerful add-ons for the paranoid, like NoScript, not the browser itself. Like what example websites, specifically?
Bare MVP is ublock+ stock FF. Even allowing 3rd party cookies and...
~25% of local news sites don't work right (Portland metro)
All internal work websites across all jobs don't work right for the past ~6 years (not counting Gusto, ADP was hit or miss depending on the function, Paylocity was OK)
Multiple places I've lived rental payment sites don't work
Portland metro utility payment sites don't load right and to fill out proper fields required weird tabbing to off-page fields and guessing what is being entered
One city site for payments or reports would straight up not load in FF
Y'all can burn me at the stake all you want, I don't fucking care. I use FF daily and champion it, but to say it works 100% all the time for every site is just disingenuous.
Just wanna say I've had similar experiences. I don't think I'd put the number as high as 25% for myself, but my workplace's internal sites and some local/utility sites are also broken on non-Chromium browsers.
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I get it that tech people stumble upon these sites much more often than non-techies. My point was that if your parents are having website issues every other day (which implies they are not tech-savvy), then why would they even visit sites that are not FF-compatible. How many sites out of all the web do you think are not compatible with FF? Give an example of a normie site that wont work well with FF.
On the other hand, if your parents are tech-savvy then why would they ask you why a website wont load properly? Do you get it that your statement counters itself?
I have not been able to get proper payment processing to work with Portland area PGE in FF, ever. Across Windows, Linux, or Android (can't speak for MacOS or iOS).
Bare MVP is ublock+ stock FF. Even allowing 3rd party cookies and...
~25% of local news sites don't work right (Portland metro)
All internal work websites across all jobs don't work right for the past ~6 years (not counting Gusto, ADP was hit or miss depending on the function, Paylocity was OK)
Multiple places I've lived rental payment sites don't work
Portland metro utility payment sites don't load right and to fill out proper fields required weird tabbing to off-page fields and guessing what is being entered
One city site for payments or reports would straight up not load in FF
Y'all can burn me at the stake all you want, I don't fucking care. I use FF daily and champion it, but to say it works 100% all the time for every site is just disingenuous.
After seeing all the people talking about Vivaldi in this thread I figured I'd try it out...got to the "Panel" setup page, saw there's one for reddit, maybe I'll try adding lemmy.zip...
Failed Cloudflare check in panel, but it worked in a tab...okay, weird.
Thought about checking out Kagi since now privacy is on my mind...the front page would reload every 5 seconds so I couldn't read about it. It'd say "Verification failed please try again" and refresh.
Apparently this has been an issue with Vivaldi for some time? I guess this is the future of the web? You try to escape the claws of these giant internet powerhouses and they just...don't let you?
Well I did, the Amazon Prime Video has many weird behaviors on Firefox compared to the Chromium engine, even YouTube used to have before.
Any web developer knows it isn’t as simple as “code once, work everywhere”. If companies don’t test on Firefox (which is a reality nowadays given its small market share) bugs happen in very weird and unusual ways.
My real issue is as a dev of a web application, using Firefox makes things occasionally render differently. It's only once in a blue moon but enough to make me just accept using Vivaldi to be closer to the defacto user experience. And then I can't be bothered to switch between FF (I use Zen) and Vivaldi and split my bookmarks, extensions, logins etc. it just doesn't make sense.
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Brave has a certain distasteful reputation earned by repeated unethical fuckery. If you are fine with what brave does, you have no reason to avoid chrome in the first place.
Brave is by a company who’s in the business of serving ads.
Much like google was back in the day, they’re trying to obtain market share with a product that they can easily manipulate after the fact and rely on people not jumping ship as things get progressively worse and worse bit by bit
Think of the “approved ads” era followed by the “enhanced security features” which made it so your block list couldn’t be updated at a moments notice and now it’s being stripped entirely.
Better to avoid it entirely and just use Firefox or a derivative thereof
Government becomes more fascist, tech companies become more fascist.
People don’t like surveillance advertising, and most reject it when given the choice. Unpopular policies are squashed when the people are represented, and the Republican policies and interests of forced and extreme deregulation are being represented here, not the people’s.
That, and I believe advertising is inherently fascistic in the way that it distorts realty, and intrusively attempts to modify thinking with punitive, insulting, and psychologically coercive methods - it is corporate propaganda, and when it is combined with surveillance and purchased by the State, it becomes fascism.
I can’t wait for them to try and make ad-blocking illegal. We’re seeing a similar trend with the age verification firm Yoti “reporting” GrapheneOS users to “the authorities”, whatever the hell that Gestapo bullshit scare-tactic means. If FOSS software and ad-blocking are tools of privacy and freedom from thought manipulation, and those concepts are being attacked by
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Government becomes more fascist, tech companies become more fascist.
People don’t like surveillance advertising, and most reject it when given the choice. Unpopular policies are squashed when the people are represented, and the Republican policies and interests of forced and extreme deregulation are being represented here, not the people’s.
That, and I believe advertising is inherently fascistic in the way that it distorts realty, and intrusively attempts to modify thinking with punitive, insulting, and psychologically coercive methods - it is corporate propaganda, and when it is combined with surveillance and purchased by the State, it becomes fascism.
I can’t wait for them to try and make ad-blocking illegal. We’re seeing a similar trend with the age verification firm Yoti “reporting” GrapheneOS users to “the authorities”, whatever the hell that Gestapo bullshit scare-tactic means. If FOSS software and ad-blocking are tools of privacy and freedom from thought manipulation, and those concepts are being attacked by a State-backed corporate entity, then the State no longer represents those values. Chrome, like so much other corporate software that has sunk to surveillance advertising with a healthy side of selling data to the government, is now just another fascist tool to punish democratic resistance.
The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...
I am posting this again in such a short time, but The Century of Self is required viewing in my opinion. That asshole you mentioned, Bernays, is one of the prime perpetrators for the state of advertising.
— Anyway, I do highly recommend (for those that haven't) investing the time and watching The Century of the Self by Adam Curtis. It is very illuminating as to how we've arrived where we are now with regards to propaganda and advertising which are rooted in the same psychological underpinnings.
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.
If you rely on the extensions API you have no choice. If those browsers want they can just add ad blocking somehow, the code is open source. In fact Brave has its Shields applied directly in the source code without relying on the extensions API.
Brave is committed to maintaining Manifest V2 support, allowing users to keep their favorite extensions functioning beyond the industry-wide deprecation.
Oh look all the "chrome but in a different outfit" browsers are doing the same terrible shit? What a shocker, no one could have predicted that the many many things all on the same base where actuality just fake competition.
That's just not true. You can always murder a bunch of innocent people or make it more racist. Try understanding a culture before you talk shit next time.
The winning move is not to do business with them, don't compete just exist and pretend they don't exist. Microslop played the game and lost, but it is a stupid silly game.
kinda hard to do when google holds the internet by the balls. and can twist at any moment to get what they want.
Microsoft and Mozilla employees have both accused them of doing this in the past, to sabotage non-chrome browsers on google services, to make chrome look better and drive users to chrome.
Where did I say they should? (I do think it, but didn't say it).
The only person here that spoke supposed 'facts' was you, saying that Google holds the internet by the balls. Which is true only in your corner of the world. Google definitely has a majority control, but we already have a big (and growing) movement with European Digital Sovereignity, De-Googling and loads of others.
Up to you if you want to let Google hold the internet that you use 'by the balls'.
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Communicating with external devices via USB or the old D-Sub connectors.
Printers, microcontrollers, instruments, etc... Directly instead of through the OS.
Notably, ESPHome Programmer uses it for flashing ESP32s wired. Other companies like Solo Motor Controllers use it for delivering a user GUI to customers that is always updated but that can switch between versions instantly for production without having to having to deal with window's broken method of having to manually search and download .exes for every program.
Why the downvotes? I have 4 machines at work, and none of them can send code to a LEGO Spike Hub over bluetooth in Firefox but works perfectly fine in Chrome.
It's a damn shame, I've always liked Vivaldi otherwise. I've been dual running Vivaldi and Firefox for years now, Vivaldi for casual browsing and Firefox for more serious stuff + YouTube.
Oh well, it's time to do a full switch, I guess.
Kinda funny, I've been doing the exact same thing with Win/Linux for approximately the same length of time. Needed Win because of dome software that just doesn't work linux, and sadly, I still do.
Google and Microsoft can go fuck each other with a frozen cactus for all I care.
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The folks at Vivaldi have been doing some work on their internal ad blocker, I think with the intention to bring most of the functionality of uBo internally so that it doesn't have to be an extension. Not sure how far along they are, but maybe they're intentionally keeping it quiet.
I'm wondering what the decision making was when they were starting (which is now 10 years ago already, time flies, yo).
From today's perspective, a Firefox fork sounds way more logical. Back then maybe things with Blink/Chromium weren't looking so grim, maybe they were relying on the experience of that part of the team that moved over from Opera...
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10 years ago Google was trusted and liked. The cracks were starting to show, but we're talking about the Google that was still open sourcing a lot of their products and loudly opposing government censorship of the internet.
Same here. I'm an Opera refugee so to say (and I had high hopes for Opera actually). I've been using Vivaldi since its first public alpha/preview/whatever they were calling it.
I like Vivaldi except for two things: it uses the same engine as Chrome so facilitates Google's stranglehold on web standards, and it is closed-source. For functionality and design it's one of the best, but those are important downsides.
I mean, on a technical level chromium isn't a terrible browser engine. Building your own engine from scratch is Extremely Hard™ and it's entirely possible to build a decent browser on top of it, so I can understand why most alternative projects have done just that.
It's just... google's control over chromium is concerning.
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It's not an ecosystem of one, though one is very dominant.
You can compare it to Linux. It's not the only Unix-like kernel, but it's similarly dominant. If you want to create a new distribution, it doesn't make any sense to spend a decade trying to write your own kernel rather than just using the Linux kernel (insert GNU Hurd jokes here).
Is that an unhealthy ecosystem then? I don't think it is.
What makes the chromium situation unhealthy is Google's ownership and control, not that it's the preferred engine for other browsers. I mean, even a company as large as Microsoft gave up trying to create their own engine.
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Your example is a poor choice, Linux overall is one example of an OS for users. There are more OS choices then Linux, that is good. Nothing like web browsers where people where actively trying to make everything chromium based. The ecosystem is unhealthy when there is one choice for an entire type of software (so for OS you have Linux, Windows, and Mac as big players) and outside of Firefox and its forks all web browsers are Chromium based. Oh and although there are other fringe options they don't matter much, much like in the OS world Temple OS is not a real choice.
My point was that it would be very very bad if Firefox was not there (or turned into chromium) as an ecosystem of one is a massive risk regardless of who controls it.
Fine. I propose we create a proxy for hostile web browsers. Install the proxy on your device to run locally. Browser tells proxy to fetch the page. Proxy unfucks it before handing it over to the browser. Someone likely already has something like this out there somewhere.
If they want to turn this into an arms race they absolutely will lose.
I actually believe this is an unwinnable scenario for clients. Just whenever the block app/db updates, automatically check if ads are blocked. If they are, have an engineer or AI iterate until it no longer is the case.
And the reason why blocking solutions can't do the same is that there's cery kittle money in it and not enough people working for free on it. Or that's atleast my hypothesis..
Oh I'm not saying it's an unsolved problem. It's absolutely been done, both by antivirus programs and commercial firewalls (although the merits of the ladder are open to some debate).
I am just saying it adds a potential complication.
Why not? It's what the rest of the browser world is doing... 😛
'Google's dumping MV3 support, guess we have to dump it also, too bad so sad guess there's nothing at all to be done here'.
Jokes aside- I agree giving up (in any regard, including proxy-side filtering) is the wrong answer. But the more I'm thinking about this, the more I'm convinced that the current essentially Internet-wide reliance on Chromium (with a small carve-out for WebKit) is a real problem that needs urgent attention.
Mozilla's the obvious choice but they seem determined to piss off their users with UI rewrites and blow all their cash on literally everything other than browser development.
Sad thing is there's a real opening here. I was a mainly Mozilla user years ago. I switched to Chrome because it was fast- there was a youtube ad (which actually aired on TV for a while) showing Chrome rendering a webpage in 100ms. Those days are of course long gone. Partly because Chrome is now bloated with a ton of Google shit, partly because with fast javascript rendering, web developers s
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Why not? It's what the rest of the browser world is doing... 😛
'Google's dumping MV3 support, guess we have to dump it also, too bad so sad guess there's nothing at all to be done here'.
Jokes aside- I agree giving up (in any regard, including proxy-side filtering) is the wrong answer. But the more I'm thinking about this, the more I'm convinced that the current essentially Internet-wide reliance on Chromium (with a small carve-out for WebKit) is a real problem that needs urgent attention.
Mozilla's the obvious choice but they seem determined to piss off their users with UI rewrites and blow all their cash on literally everything other than browser development.
Sad thing is there's a real opening here. I was a mainly Mozilla user years ago. I switched to Chrome because it was fast- there was a youtube ad (which actually aired on TV for a while) showing Chrome rendering a webpage in 100ms. Those days are of course long gone. Partly because Chrome is now bloated with a ton of Google shit, partly because with fast javascript rendering, web developers started treating javascript as 'free' so now a news article comes with 10+mb of tracking code that literally runs an auction client side for advertisers to bid on the opportunity to bother you and many of the most basic websites are rendered client-side because why not. Point is though- come up with a FAST, standards compliant rendering engine that can compete with Chrome, with no bloat, and push it as 'we are what Chrome was- fast, effective, clean'.
When will marketing people figure out our generation views ads as hostile, non-consensual, and unwanted? They are a negative way to introduce us to your product/service. I actively avoid things with obnoxious ads. Native, old spice, liberty mutual, all of those brands the first thing that comes to mind is the negative experience of an invasive advertisement I never fucking asked for.
Except we are not customers, and it's the customers that are important. I's like cows asking between themselves when will the butcher realize that they do not like being killed for meat.
Butcher knows, but butcher doesn't sell comfort to cows, he sells meat to customers.
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Ads aren't always there to get you to buy something specific. In fact, an ad you don't interact with is a better ad because they don't have to pay for click-through.
You don't want to buy brand A because they have ads, so you buy brand B instead, but both widgets are owned by the same holding company. Or they're made in the same factory. Or they use the same components. Or they have the same shareholders. Any way you slice it, the same rich assholes are getting your money.
The goal of the Ads is to put a bug in your head and get you to buy something.
And that's just the Ads. The tracking is also (increasingly primarily) about political manipulation and surveillance.
Because it works and makes them money, and people end up buying the products.
What they really need is an option to leave ads or remove them. The ones that want ads gone aren't buying your product, and the ones that like ads like to see new products. Just give us options. The options are usually to pay for the service and get no ads, or get the service for free and you get ads.
Where people get mad is when you have to pay for an ad supported plan.
All this doesn't really work in the real world anyways, because YouTube offers both an ad free plan, and a free supported plan, and yet everyone still complains about having to pay for ad free. So the war continues.
Btw i pay for YouTube premium, and every ad free streaming service because i support the ad free plans and hope they continue to exist.
I hate to sound so cynical, but many folks are gullible. They’ll trust a flashy ad because it looks nice to them, and gives them a positive emotional response, and then internalize that judgement as their own decision (so when someone comes to challenge it, they take it personally).
It’s not just old people living in another time, either. I’ve watched teenagers and young adults trust obviously-sponsored influencers like they’re friends. Or wear brands as status symbols.
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The amount of people I see use spotify and youtube with ads and just don't feel or see anything wrong with this really disturbs me. People don't realise the psychic damage they inflict upon themselves, they don't see the issue.
uBlock created an entirely different implementation of their extension to work around as much of the bullshit lockdown that MV3 implements.
Adguard (and ublock origin "lite") work exactly as much(or little) as google thinks it can get away with right now.
MV2 VS MV3 is much more of a change than just the stuff relating to ad blockers, but that doesn't detract from the fact that a company that makes a large proportion of their revenue through advertising was in full control of the specifications for the "new" MV.
I know how MV3 works, thanks. The point remains that from the moment it was announced people have been claiming, usually with much hyperbole, that Chrome was trying to kill adblockers, and yet here we are with adblockers still blocking ads. In terms of software engineering, I actually find it interesting that they managed to achieve the stated goal of preventing a certain class of malware extensions while letting adblockers still work (though I know it's not a widely shared sentiment).
Mind you, I still preferred living in an MV2 world, and I still encourage people to switch to Firefox. It's better for everyone if the ecosystem is more diverse.
That's my bad, i genuinely didn't consider that someone who knew what happened would frame it as ublock dragging their heels and not mention the context at all.
The point remains that from the moment it was announced people have been claiming, usually with much hyperbole, that Chrome was trying to kill adblockers,
Along with a lot of people who rightly pointed out that a largely ad based company being in charge of the specification of a system that can limit the ability for their ads to be blocked is a massive conflict of interest.
Luckily for all of us, google is known for it's history of forgoing ad revenue and corporate interests in favour of end-user happiness...so we shouldn't worry about it.
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I actually find it interesting that they managed to achieve the stated goal of preventing a certain class of malware extensions while letting adblockers still work (though I know it’s not a widely shared sentiment).
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I know how MV3 works, thanks.
That's my bad, i genuinely didn't consider that someone who knew what happened would frame it as ublock dragging their heels and not mention the context at all.
The point remains that from the moment it was announced people have been claiming, usually with much hyperbole, that Chrome was trying to kill adblockers,
Along with a lot of people who rightly pointed out that a largely ad based company being in charge of the specification of a system that can limit the ability for their ads to be blocked is a massive conflict of interest.
Luckily for all of us, google is known for it's history of forgoing ad revenue and corporate interests in favour of end-user happiness...so we shouldn't worry about it.
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I actually find it interesting that they managed to achieve the stated goal of preventing a certain class of malware extensions while letting adblockers still work (though I know it’s not a widely shared sentiment).
It's not a widely shared sentiment for a reason.
Mind you, I still preferred living in an MV2 world, and I still encourage people to switch to Firefox.
fair enough.
It’s better for everyone if the ecosystem is more diverse.
Agreed as a general principle, especially in the mid to long term.
But if the diversity aspect introduced to 70% of a population is actively hostile (with historical indications that future aspects will also be hostile) then dismissing concerns about it as hyperbole is face-eating leopard territory.
Yet another reason to switch to brave..oh wait...brave is built on chromium so...will adblocker of brave also cease to exist? Will it get blocked too? Vivaldi ad blockers may stop too as afaik its based on opera engine
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There is no good reasons to use brave. It's based on chromium, propped up by suspicious individuals, uses predatory marketing tactics and have an history of not caring very much for privacy in favor of hijacking and inserting referrals. And that's only the most prominent issues. Their last stunt of willingly adding annoying features and offering people to pay to remove them should tell you all you need to know.
Bruh when I first got my computer the first thing I did after getting a browser was install AdBlock except it was a virus site posing as adblock. I feel so dumb right now. I think I need to just pay someone to sit with me for an hour and teach me computer basics. It feels like I missed a step and everyone knows what's going on but me
If Chromium becomes incompatible with privacy, the only real and broadly accepted alternative is FireFox. Which implementation, and as always in these kinds of discussions, that depends on your threat model: On desktop, I am very happy with LibreWolf. Mullvad Browser is also great, especially with Mullvad VPN, though it breaks pages a little more often than LibreWolf. On Android, I am quite happy with IronFox.
The browser wars have been kind of strange from the perspective of someone who's been using Firefox for well over a decade. It's a bit like hearing about the Civil War while living in Oregon.
i used opera for around 13 years. i knew about the flaws but i was simply used to it, and as long as adblock worked i couldn't be bothered to switch to anything else
then my laptop broke and only that happening gave me the incentive to install something else, i was starting from (close to) scratch anyway
it'll take a lot of effort for people to abandon what they know, even if they'll be moving towards something better
The problem is the core of how Origin works. Right now, Origin sits in the stream of data that comes in from a website, and uses its own filtering to block or change things that are unwanted. That mechanism was removed in Manifest V3. Now it has to supply to the browser a list of things to block or change, and there's a limit to how many things can be on that list. There's a new version of uBlock that works with Manifest V3 but it doesn't work as well as the V2 version.
Is Ironfox capable of interfacing with Librewolf? As in sharing bookmarks and credentials? Because to tell you the truth that is the one thing that is holding me to Firefox.
How so? I've been using Firefox for years. Started trying Brave the other day and it's extremely resource heavy. With a few background tabs it runs like shit on a Pixel 10 Pro XL and i7-10510 running EndeavourOS with 32GB. I also have a Pixel 8 Pro running Graphene and it also runs like shit there. I haven't been impressed with legit Brave, now hearing a malware claim is kinda funny.
They have pulled quite a few shenannigans. Vivaldi is clean as a whistle so far. Also, based in Europe, and developed by the original Opera (Chinese owned now) developers, which have a great record.
I dont use or like Brave that much but its definitely not Malware. This is how we lose normies. They use google chrome or whatever and infighting tells them "look this significantly more private product is awful". We kinda gotta stop doing that. That had some scretchy incidents with referral links but their BAT thing is like whatever. You dont have to use it. Their defaults are much more private then all the other mainstream chromium browsers. And it Open Source. I also think their development for their search engine has been interesting.
Vivaldi if you want chromium based. Very good privacy and ad blocking out of the box Also, based in Norway, so your privacy is preserved a lot better than Brave which is based in the US, so your data is compromised by default
I mean, he is the main person working on the project, yeah. But someone has to take the lead. When I followed the project at the start, there were many people involved with new features and I also don't have much negative to say about Zen, for me it works fine.
What's to stop the developers of a Chromium fork like Cromite from mainting MV2 compatibility themselves?
Cromite's only flaw (IMO) is that it based it's built in adblocker on AdBlock instead of Ublock.
I've tried moving to Firefox and I don't know, it just feels ugh to me. (scientific critique, I know...). It's just something I can't put my finger on; Firefox just doesn't feel performative. whether that's a frame-buffer animation thing, or icon shadows, or something else entirely, it just feels off to me in some uncally valley sort of way.
See: Helium Browser. Which is already doing this, and shipping full UBO, yet most aren’t aware of it.
Also see: this comment is minimized by default, and most of Lemmy will never know the answer to OP's question already exists. There are probably other forks that do this, too.
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Yeah. I don't know how to describe it. It's ineffable in that respect. Things like scrolling, etc... just feel a touch off in ways that are difficult to put words to. Not enough to be consciously noticeable; just enough to creep out the lizard-part of your brain that just knows when something doesn't feel right.
It’s probably just scrolling speed or debounce or something silly like that lol. Like moving from Android to iOS. I’d bet if you used FF for a couple days you wouldn’t even notice it anymore without something to compare it to.
"Performant" means it performs well. Performative means they're doing something as a performance rather than for substance, doing something just as a show, like Trump reading Bible quotes
Work, once Google completely removes it are they really going to keep backporting it to current releases? I do not see that happening. And for ones doing it now as far as I know Google hasn't removed the code yet.
Great.. I work in IT so this means MORE "virus" calls because you 100000000% need an adblocker on the web to stop those fake "your computer is being hacked" malicious advertisements from websites.
Time to polish those presentation skills and deliver a memo to your company, extolling the virtues of Firefox as a company-wide browser instead of the now malware inducing Chrome, Opera, and Edge.
Wont happen. Security teams will block it still. Firefox blocks deep packet inspection which corporate security suites use for monitoring. Its the reason chrome is the default now in almost all companies.
what if you just don't update? Also librewolf is a fork of firefox not chromium. (I know firefox is finantied or whatever by google. (idk how to spell))
People keep mentioning Firefox but fail to realize that Google, as the sole sponsor of Mozilla Corporation (not to be confused with Mozilla Foundation), can just kindly ask for Firefox to follow suit and gimp itself, just like it did before with a move to webextensions. Gotta admit it, Google has won the web, what they say (eventually) goes.
then we'll move again, like we did with chrome. this game of cat and mouse is easy to keep up and really only serves to harm these companys in the long run.
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Move to what and where? Browsers are basically OS's at this point, even MS stopped developing its own. Ladybird is going to be a joke and don't think any other company or community is coming to write a new one.
Google doesn't even need to get their hands dirty like that. IMO all they need to do is continue making it difficult for companies to support Firefox when designing their websites. That, in addition to making sure companies know that Google is tirelessly working to make sure Chrome won't work with ad blockers is going to eventually kill Firefox completely.
Making adblockers available to only people on the far fringe that are going to go through the extraordinary hoops to get it to work makes it less important to them to stymie the act of adblocking, because far fewer people are doing it. Businesses half-ass everything and do the lowest cost thing like always, so they will not bother to ever commit the token effort to stop the few remaining adblockers, making it trivially easy to perform the adblocking by comparison to today. The pendulum always swings, in everything, and one of the big factors that cause it to swing back even when all seems lost is that the current group or way of thinking that is at the forefront today has its group members get lazy and complacent in their superior position, creating opportunities for the opposition.
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Considering the fact that they can't help but deliver short-term profit over all else, set the bar so low that the term "minimum viable product" is an everyday saying, and security is regarded as an inconvenient nuisance with no penalty for slacking on, I still like our chances even if they pull that off.
Consider these facts: - Implementing the features you're describing is draconian and widely disliked, even by many of those that tolerate it and comply. - Many nations are legally challenging the use of cryptography, a critical pillar of the way the Internet works. Removing it would require sweeping changes to how it could be used and render many everyday tasks like shopping and banking very problematic or even impossible, which would be globally unpopular, disruptive, and economically damaging primarily to the ones doing it. - We live in a time of unprecedented global stability that has persisted since before the Internet existed and the Information Age began, which appears to be unraveling before our eyes. This stability facilitated the Internet being one global
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Considering the fact that they can't help but deliver short-term profit over all else, set the bar so low that the term "minimum viable product" is an everyday saying, and security is regarded as an inconvenient nuisance with no penalty for slacking on, I still like our chances even if they pull that off.
Consider these facts: - Implementing the features you're describing is draconian and widely disliked, even by many of those that tolerate it and comply. - Many nations are legally challenging the use of cryptography, a critical pillar of the way the Internet works. Removing it would require sweeping changes to how it could be used and render many everyday tasks like shopping and banking very problematic or even impossible, which would be globally unpopular, disruptive, and economically damaging primarily to the ones doing it. - We live in a time of unprecedented global stability that has persisted since before the Internet existed and the Information Age began, which appears to be unraveling before our eyes. This stability facilitated the Internet being one global thing everyone built and used together. Only international agreements make this situation possible and ongoing.
I think everything seems so inevitable to most people because of mental and ideological inertia combined with the fact that nobody can predict when and how major societal changes will occur. If nothing surprising that nobody predicted or thought of before happened then our future is inevitable and the current winners and losers will remain so. Fortunately for us, though, our whole history is one long string of surprising things that nobody predicted or thought of before happening.
i like our chances of thriving in an alternative internet like in here, or building our own stuff that could be used for good. it's is an immensely important resource some people take for granted and we should fight for it. however:
1 - the great majority of people accept it and the fringes are discarded as not profitable. the definitive wall where people draw the line goes further the more it's normalized and the breaking point isn't near. it's already coming to your android phone.
2 - remember elected representatives don't represent the people. they will go back at the slightest hint of disrupting business especially for banking and shopping. exemptions for the powerful aren't out of the question on anything, plenty of that already.
3 - we are living through a global oil crisis that is starving people worldwide, many wars, genocide, nuclear tension and the rise of fascism. the splinternet is often talked about as being in the horizon. we are lucky to be in relative isolation so far.
things often seem inevitable because they are in bad shape. we are still
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i like our chances of thriving in an alternative internet like in here, or building our own stuff that could be used for good. it's is an immensely important resource some people take for granted and we should fight for it. however:
1 - the great majority of people accept it and the fringes are discarded as not profitable. the definitive wall where people draw the line goes further the more it's normalized and the breaking point isn't near. it's already coming to your android phone.
2 - remember elected representatives don't represent the people. they will go back at the slightest hint of disrupting business especially for banking and shopping. exemptions for the powerful aren't out of the question on anything, plenty of that already.
3 - we are living through a global oil crisis that is starving people worldwide, many wars, genocide, nuclear tension and the rise of fascism. the splinternet is often talked about as being in the horizon. we are lucky to be in relative isolation so far.
things often seem inevitable because they are in bad shape. we are still scrambling over the ongoing fascism and we've been compounding the climate crisis without a care in the world.
i'm not saying it's impossible or that we should quit. just that we need a realistic view of what we are up against, and who calls the shots right now.
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Firefox is partially in this position because the community really does not support Firefox. Every decision Firefox makes or Mozilla makes in an attempt to try and claw back their financial freedom away from Google, the community dumpsters them on. Then, on posts like this, the community turns around and dumpsters Firefox for being so financially dependent on Google.
FireFox was and is an awesome project, but unfortunately, without the financial backing of a large for-profit business, they cannot keep up with Chrome. Even then, FireFox, with an engineering team a quarter the size of Chrome's, still manages to keep up, which is a god damn miracle.
Developing a browser that is fast, actually works with new web standards, stays up to date, and is adding features is incredibly difficult. It is a stupidly expensive endeavor, similar to the level of effort necessary for operating systems.
And unfortunately, there is no Linux equivalent for web browsers, at least not right now. There are some up-and-coming projects, but it's going to be decades before they reach the lev
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Firefox is partially in this position because the community really does not support Firefox. Every decision Firefox makes or Mozilla makes in an attempt to try and claw back their financial freedom away from Google, the community dumpsters them on. Then, on posts like this, the community turns around and dumpsters Firefox for being so financially dependent on Google.
FireFox was and is an awesome project, but unfortunately, without the financial backing of a large for-profit business, they cannot keep up with Chrome. Even then, FireFox, with an engineering team a quarter the size of Chrome's, still manages to keep up, which is a god damn miracle.
Developing a browser that is fast, actually works with new web standards, stays up to date, and is adding features is incredibly difficult. It is a stupidly expensive endeavor, similar to the level of effort necessary for operating systems.
And unfortunately, there is no Linux equivalent for web browsers, at least not right now. There are some up-and-coming projects, but it's going to be decades before they reach the level of maturity necessary to start competing against Chrome. At which point there may be so much standards capture that some of these browsers may find it impossible to actually catch up.
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From my memory of their financials, they actually get enough donations for the browser. The issue is the for profit companies fetish for a million different side quests.
I mean I just used a sideloaded yt mod but then i kinda got too excited with exploits and broke the phone and had to update it and now I'm on grapheneOS lol. Oh besides, I just used it mostly for downloading videos cuz I don't really like google. (Ironic to buy a google phone to degoogle it.)
I’d love to try graphene. Unfortunately, I bought an iPhone this year, so now I feel obligated to use it until it breaks. Thanks for being the guinea pig for me to start with a better experience when my time comes o7
a DNS AdBlocker just stop a request to a specific domain. If youtube serves video and ads from the same server you do not know which one is an ads and which one is a video on the DNS level. Furthermore you have some devices hardcoding DNS server (google homes are common for calling google DNS directly instead of getting the DNS from the Router) which makes it very hard to use DNS level AdBlockers.
Google spends a lot of money mixing ads and legit content to make it impossible to block, it is not safari "letting ads through" is more like safari cannot identify ads anymore.
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Ohh, cool that makes more sense. Thanks for the info. Eventually I'm gonna get PiHole set up, but I guess that would face the same issue... yt-dlp might be the best way
Correct, pihole alone cannot fix it. You can fix the issue of hardcoded DNS with a firewall translating requests to DNS into another DNS, but that also has issue with DNS over https. The only reliable way I saw for YouTube Ad block is either custom apps or browser level Adblock like Brave Shield (which Firefox is also integrating as it is open source)
Just so you know, AdGuard Home exists, that is more or less the same as PiHole but uses less resources. I run it on my router (and I use the router firewall directly to force the DNS to AdGuard) with SSL certificates automatic renewal with certbot so that encryption is supported. I think you can ask an AI for help on your specific setup.
For real though. I had the thought earlier today of how I could reduce my internet usage to text only and try and skip all the bullshit. Might be tough but I'm not seeing another way. At least I'd still be able to access things like Wikipedia.
Between AI killing the idea of "believe what you can see" and ads/tracking being forced on every part of the internet, the end is very, very near.
And it should upset everyone, because the internet was not designed for this. We (the people) ultimately paid to develop what is being taken over by corpos for profit.
Links2 is not as funny to use, but it is easier to understand. It supports a graphical interface and images. I use it from time to time and it's nice when you know what you are looking for...
I used them cause my PC had 384 MB of RAM in 2012. It was ok for everything but surfing the web and lynx solved the issue.
If you are looking for something for the phone, i once used Vivaldi.
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In that time i had to experiment with different GUIs to reduce RAM usage. Xfce4 and i3 saved my day honestly.
For gaming i had to go back for the roots, dosbox was neat: Alone in the dark, dune 2000 (was it dos?), conquest of the new world and the old XCOM. Also, some old games that probably dont have support anymore that had linux support: ASCIIsector and star commander.
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Lynx? Hah, I must chortle in your general direction.
Elinks is the powerful, featureful and versatile, yet light, CLI browser of today. If you haven't tried it, or if it's been years since you've tried it, then I can only recommend taking it for a spin.
It even has a minimal, partial ECMAScript/JavaScipt implementation that's optionally available, meaning that it can browse and navigate the modern web to a much greater degree than other CLI browsers, but of course with the trade-off that you're now executing some amount of JavaScript code again, which is probably what you're trying to escape in the first place when you're firing up a CLI browser instead of a conventional browser.
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Firefox and its derivatives (and Safari - sorry Apple users) are the only browsers not using Google's Blink web engine these days - at least until Ladybird is released.
Despite the Mozilla Foundation's many stupid decisions, Firefox (and Safari) is starting to look like the only thing stopping Google from completely controlling the internet.
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Not true — Safari is still based on WebKit. And Safari is still the default browser on over two and a half billion mobile devices currently in use. And say what you might about Apple, but at least they aren’t in the business of selling ads, and thus don’t have any business interest in allowing you to block them effectively, unlike Google.
Sure but that alternative doesn't work for anyone who already doesn't own an Apple device. Also those two and a half billion devices you mentioned can't run alt browsers due to Apple policy so you're basically just picking another company to hand complete control to.
Huh? It may not be built—in, but Safari has a variety of ad block plugins available - on all platforms (macOS, iOS, iPadOS).
On top of that they do have built in tracker avoidance — something Google is even less likely to ever implement into Chrome (especially considering they’re not pretty much the top tracking company out there).
I’m blocking ads on iOS with Safari. Granted it’s not baked in to the browser but I have AdGuard installed and that does a good job of suppressing YouTube ads.
I also connect back to my server at home via VPN no matter where I am and run PiHole for DNS resolution on that
Say what you will about Apple, but they are the major hedge against Google controlling much of the world, at the moment.
That sounds hyperbolic and conspiratorial. But, sadly, it really isn’t. Without them, there would effectively be one web browser, one mobile operating system, one search engine, with basically no way out of whatever Google dictates for 97% of the population.
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They don’t sell as many ads, but they do sell ads. It was only a few months ago they announced that ads would be coming to their maps app. There’s ads in news, the App Store, music, and settings on iOS. Maybe more than aren’t coming to mind immediately
God I hope Ladybird will work. I'm so done with Google. And the fact that Firefox is dependant on their money leaves a bad aftertaste, everytime I open a browser. Even though I use Zen.
Fingers crossed for Ladybird and a stable Alpha release in 2026 🤞
I am certainly a lot less enthusiastic about tech than I was even 5 years ago. In terms of benefit to the average person, tech has peaked. There's a few outliers (e.g. medical tech), but most new "advancements" represent a downgrade.
Definitely, and it's mostly due to the need to extract every penny form the user, we can't make something perfect because it would mean we can't sell and upgrade every year, hence why we've also moved to subs for everything, once you hit a peak how can you keep revenue flowing when the device lasts longer and longer.
its been removed since like past 10 years, dont know why people is still using it. i moved to firefox immediately just to keep the ublock origins, and theres other extensions.
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In all sadness, folks on Lemi and other more technically inclined forums infight even more than leftists infight, and all they do is sabotage themselves.
Projects like Firefox are mountains above Chrome when it comes to privacy and not ceding web control over to Google. Yet any thread about anything Firefox is doing is just filled with FUD from people complaining about small individual changes or Firefox not being perfect enough, so on and so forth.
It's self-sabotage. If you didn't think Firefox is good enough, congratulations. Now you've got Chrome, and pretty soon you won't have Firefox.
Google realized how much money they were losing by supporting adblock in the first place. They also had way too many extensions with MV2 that requested full site access...
At the end of the day, they want to force feed everyone advertisements. Often meant to make people angry or buy shit they don't need.
It's also why apps like NewPipe are in an arms race with the recent sideloading app changes for Android.
You know, I seem to see this rhetoric a lot, and it seems to be getting upvoted more now, which isn't a good sign for Lemmy, but are you really surprised by this? Is this really a question? Are you really that under a rock?
If it's rhetorical, then what's the point? Is this just a petulant way to try and dumpster something without going through the effort of actually picking out a real problem with it, of which there are countless?
Is this starting an interesting discussion? Is this voicing an interesting opinion? What is the point of this exact kind of comment?
Maybe I'm just too autistic and I'm going off the rails here, but these are starting to itch like a form of "internet forum hives".
Maybe it is because people shame others into using "the most popular" browser, by asking stuff like "who uses X?" or "I use Y, lke a normal person" and so on and so forth. However, spend any time in the privacy-oriented community, and you will find that there is a significant disdain for Chrome, and Edge is never truly accepted as a viable option, and well; Opera, by Chinese scare is also shunned; but more often than not, Privacy-oriented browsers, (to my disappointment, a Chromium-based browser,) Brave is often recommended for most who don't want to tinker, and that's understandable.
But, when you look at things like the LinkedIn spyware, the aggressive anti-ad and also anti-privacy practices of these "popular" browsers, you really start to question, is it worth it? So tell me, IS IT worth it? My bare minimum is Containers, Chromium has to use an extension that kinda works, but for everyone else, why keep using something that constantly tries to invade your privacy? -- The "Everything spies on you" or "I have nothing to hide" mentalities that try to normalize this are, in m
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Maybe it is because people shame others into using "the most popular" browser, by asking stuff like "who uses X?" or "I use Y, lke a normal person" and so on and so forth. However, spend any time in the privacy-oriented community, and you will find that there is a significant disdain for Chrome, and Edge is never truly accepted as a viable option, and well; Opera, by Chinese scare is also shunned; but more often than not, Privacy-oriented browsers, (to my disappointment, a Chromium-based browser,) Brave is often recommended for most who don't want to tinker, and that's understandable.
But, when you look at things like the LinkedIn spyware, the aggressive anti-ad and also anti-privacy practices of these "popular" browsers, you really start to question, is it worth it? So tell me, IS IT worth it? My bare minimum is Containers, Chromium has to use an extension that kinda works, but for everyone else, why keep using something that constantly tries to invade your privacy? -- The "Everything spies on you" or "I have nothing to hide" mentalities that try to normalize this are, in my eyes, outright defeatists.
The question once again, becomes; Why are we allowing this? If we don't get a say; then the trusty old "Vote with your Money" comes into play; cause you always have a choice to switch browsers. We will always have that choice, and yet, I keep seeing the perpetuation of Chrome, and less Brave, and to my personal disdain, even less Firefox-based options, which are objectively better, and have built-in containers (kinda wish you didn't need the extension to unlock it on the toolbar)
Nothing against you, you provided me with a peak at a concerning common perspective; "Why are you hating?" "If you dislike it so much why don't you suggest something better?" and the far too common, "I dismiss everything you say, because you dislike/hate X" and truth be told, between that, and the in-person shaming and questioning, we ignore everything that is factually wrong, until something like the LinkedIn spyware or an AI Forcefully-yet-Repeatedly being downloaded without your consent, only then do they THINK, but not necessarily commit to switching to something else, the companies know this, and they just keep doing their... questionable practices.
So, I'm sorry, but yes. Chrome, is a trash browser, one that will continue to invade your privacy. De-googled Chromium would be better than Chrome. Brave is still far better, but it's still Chromium based, that matters because if something affects a Chromium-based browser, there's an exceedingly high chance it'll work on all Chromium-based browsers (again, look at the LinkedIn spyware). I would personally suggest a Firefox-based alternative, simply because a lot of these exploits, which again, are a (Non-Google) Search away (just look at the efforts to remove malware from the chrome store), would simply not affect the browser. Easy suggestions are LibreWolf, WaterFox and the Mullvad Browser.
Tech isn't meant to be complicated, it's meant to facilitate things, but convenience should never have to come at the cost of bundled consent nor privacy.
Wouldn't say "crazy", but definitely not credible without any actual support. You need to source if you want people to take you seriously. If not, we should rightly ignore whatever you have to say.
Even though that ellipsis you used is VERY mysterious...
clearly the tech industry needs a reminder. Don't ever piss off Nerds and Hackers. there are many public records clearly showing why it's not a good idea to piss off anyone who can and will fuck you over.
If you don’t care abt browser philosophy or whatever, Brave Browser. The search engine and ad blocking is one of the best things out there rn. Yes it’s a chromium based browser, but it is way better than using chrome or edge.
MV2 has been disabled for quite some time now, and anybody left using Chrome has either installed uBlock Origin Lite or at this point just likes the adverts.
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I would not accuse the legislators of any decency of thought only that open source would be far harder to police due to its more nebulous and intermingled path to the client with far less money at the end of it.
There may have also been some big money lobbyists from companies like Google, Amazon, etc, that pointed out how much money it would have cost their poor shareholders to implement.
The fun part of open source is that someone smarter than me will inevitably just update the existing spoofing tools to include whatever checks those platforms are using.
A number of VPNs have tools to let you spoof browser IDs. It's useful if you want to access YouTube and pretend you're on Chrome to get better performance.
That surely is not a valid solution for everyone 😁 i have accounts e.g. at a swiss and france bank. Can't just go there 😁 And from the other banks, only one would be reachable by foot.
Modern banks don't even have offices you can visit.
Not so simple, I need more than one bank. Also I'm a cheapskate. These with offices usually cost 10-30 bucks a month. Just for that. If only using those that'd be around 50-200 moneyz a month for...nothing but being able to walk there, stand in line, then use a damn nasty machine made for dwarfs or talk to a stupid human. For every silly transaction?
Yes. Fuck them. But also...I need them. My solution was to just cave in and use one dedicated bank-phone. With fake google-acc, and firewalled to the roof.
Better than this walking solution? Like it was before. Web banking. On the web. With tan-generators or SMS. That was secure enough.
A reasonable solution if it comes to it would be to get a cheap android phone only for banking and whatever else doesn't work on non digital ID platforms.
As said in the other reply, that's what I did. A phone with just the banking apps on a highly firewalled phone and with a fake google account. Now I use three phones (one for android auto) which should be one. This is no help anymore but additional Chores. Thanks enshittification!
So what's the point in the bill then? They're prepared to accept that open source solutions don't have to implement it then they have to accept that the whole idea is daft anyway.
Not exactly. They can always take this one step further and make it more difficult to use anything but closed OSs for fundamental applications, like banking. It could come via an ID requirement where authentication goes through some complicated process with proprietary hardware and drivers. That could also come in phases, such as mandating all desktop/laptop distributors require it prior to distribution. Then the tech giants can market it like, “never require a password again, if you have…” effectively marketing back the convenience they helped take. Sooner or later, it’s a piece of shit system that banks and jobs rely on, everybody ends up accepting it while complaining that it makes a terrible password for obvious reasons (ref: your Social Security card).
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These laws should hopefully be struck down as unconstitutional because of their invasion of privacy(a violation of the 3rd and 4th amendments) and a general violation of the first amendment.
My inbox is flooded with doomsayers and fear mongering about how they're going to kill Linux because of this and no matter how hard I tried to convince them that it would be physically impossible to enforce such a law/rule on open source software they just wouldn't listen.
Looks like the blokes in calif had to eat a lot of truth to come to this decision.
O, before you comment I am fully expecting more doomsayers. So please enlighten me.
I imagine that, while good on the surface, the apps that will then require the age information called from the OS will just reject any platform that doesn't provide it, essentially segregating the internet.
Which, adding more and more friction makes it more likely that users will just give up and submit to giving up their privacy.
But it doesn't need to be once the data exists, corporations can build their websites however they like once the data is mandated to exist. Think about how your browser, if not chrome, will often break/slow down on YouTube because google wants you to use chrome/have ads play on YouTube. Or how captcha will just sometimes break and force you to use a chrome browser (which exposes a bunch of data)...cause google again. None of that is mandated by law.
Don't forget the legislation is funded by Meta. They want that delicious, scrumptious data that will help them legally avoid COPPA and target/collect data on child accounts and get them addicted while young.
And I know we will. We're cool like that.
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I have that sometimes while watching something and then my brain just switches off for a few minutes and then i'd be like fuck... time to rewind.
Happens more often with my girlfriend but that's because she has a tendency to start vomiting words that are in no way related to what we were talking about and i also stopped watching movies and shows with her because she can't watch a movie she needs it narrated, she would ask something and then the thing she asked about would happen or be explained 5 seconds later and i'd of course be pissed off "just watch the damn thing and all will become clear" hour and a half movie has 50 questions.
people recommend i listen to audiobooks to avoid that but it takes way longer to find the place i started drifting off on an audio file than in a book, plus i catch myself quicker for some reason
I agree, and I desperately want a Linux phone, but the really problem with Linux phones gaining traction is that is the developers are DEVELOPERS.
"I make $200,000 a year... how much should a good smartphone cost... how about $700? It's a bargain!"
I get that making hardware is expensive, but asking people to jump into something with a learning curve and real sacrifices at a premium price is just guaranteeing it stays niche - especially when asking an audience that by and large has to have an Android as a backup for some apps anyway.
And this is coming from someone with no fewer than 16 machines running various Linux distros in his house. You can't ask someone to spend that much on a secondary phone to play with until they get comfortable enough with it to switch completely. You just can't. It's barely working for the Linux OS, and that's free.
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I'm sure it's very difficult to compete with the established duopoly of Apple and Google.
How are you supposed to make a product cheap against those enormous economies of scale, all while knowing very few people will want it or buy it when it doesn't have any apps for reasons of that same duopoly?
Linux phones absolutely are a niche project with sacrifices, as you said, and the only people who can bear the cost of entry at the moment will be a niche market of engineers and tinkerers.
It would be nice to get the price down to that of the consumer market, but the whole experience is still not even ready for consumers.
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On PC, most of what people want to do happens inside a web browser, which means as soon as you have a browser your alternative operating system - like Linux - is very functional already.
Of the remaining functionality, a lot of it are apps that work offline; CAD/CAM apps, video production, office and business. Any devs who are willing can build similar equivalents to these apps, and they can even make them interoperable with the big players like Microsoft Office.
Compare to phones, where 90% of what people do is apps, and those apps are not made by random people, but by the company who provides the service. Which means if you aren't on iOS or Android then you probably can't book a taxi, can't access your banking app, can't message your family on the platform they all use, can't access your national government healthcare app, and the list goes on - you need support from service providers.
Microsoft tried to launch an alternative operating system with Windows Phone. They made a great device with an OS that was nice to use, and although they threw
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No I don't.
On PC, most of what people want to do happens inside a web browser, which means as soon as you have a browser your alternative operating system - like Linux - is very functional already.
Of the remaining functionality, a lot of it are apps that work offline; CAD/CAM apps, video production, office and business. Any devs who are willing can build similar equivalents to these apps, and they can even make them interoperable with the big players like Microsoft Office.
Compare to phones, where 90% of what people do is apps, and those apps are not made by random people, but by the company who provides the service. Which means if you aren't on iOS or Android then you probably can't book a taxi, can't access your banking app, can't message your family on the platform they all use, can't access your national government healthcare app, and the list goes on - you need support from service providers.
Microsoft tried to launch an alternative operating system with Windows Phone. They made a great device with an OS that was nice to use, and although they threw absolutely millions of dollars at other companies to make apps for their platform it still wasn't enough. And this was over 10 years ago when people were far less dependant on apps than they are now.
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The hardware isn't expensive (I run Linux on a phone that cost me 80 euros), the software development is.
Also, SailfishOS runs on some Xperia phones that cost around a hundred euros. The main issue with SailfishOS is that the OS isn't free software as parts are proprietary and they don't use a mainline kernel, so that you will probably bot be able to run an up to date kernel after a while.
I'm a developer and i won't buy a 700€ phone lol!!
I know the specs I need/want and go hunting, which excludes all apple and so on.
My sweet spot is Xiaomi, stellar performance (it's like a developer phone but cheap IMO) and cheap. Loads of variants and price ranges, and lots of second hand where I live, got my latest for 300€ and it's a "flagship killer" with specs like a modern PC (almost) and LEICA cameras.
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