Is Ubuntu Treating Its Users as If They Can’t Be Trusted?
Ubuntu has taken another step that, honestly, leaves me scratching my head. While most distributions try to offer as many convenient GUI tools as possible to help users manage every part of their system, Ubuntu… apparently sees things a bit differently.I say this because Ubuntu 26.04 LTS (scheduled for release on April, 23) will no longer ship the long-standing “Software & Updates” graphical tool by default on fresh desktop installs, following a change proposed in Launchpad as bug 2140527.
The adjustment replaces the software-properties-gtk package in the desktop seed with software-properties-common, effectively removing the visible GUI while keeping the underlying repository management tools in place.
Is Ubuntu Treating Its Users as If They Can’t Be Trusted?
Canonical drops the Software & Updates tool from Ubuntu 26.04 LTS defaults, citing usability and maintenance concerns.Bobby Borisov (Linuxiac)
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jhulian sevsix
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in reply to cm0002 • • •What really bothers me is removing the current tool before you have a replacement ready. Worst tech trend ever!
RickyRigatoni
in reply to cm0002 • • •u/CaperGrrl79
in reply to RickyRigatoni • • •Does Timeshift work on Ubuntu? It works on Mint, which is based on Ubuntu.
But if this crap keeps up, I might go with LMDE7.
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Die4Ever
in reply to cm0002 • • •Mugita Sokio
in reply to cm0002 • • •Someone bought them outright. To be fair about this, what they're doing, at this entity's hands, is treating people like Microsoft and Apple treat their users: like criminals.
Corporations police harder than governments, though.
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in reply to cm0002 • • •lengau
in reply to PokerChips • • •Age Verification | United States Department of Justice
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in reply to cm0002 • • •First it was Mir, the alternative to X and Wayland. Then it was Unity (notice the name!), yet another desktop environment. Now it's snaps, as an alternative to flatpak.
Are you noticing the pattern? It's always Canonical trying to force some distro-agnostic tool into the Linux community, so other distros start depending on Canonical. Always doing this through unnecessary fragmentation.
To be clear, fragmentation is not always bad. Sometimes it enables people to appease different target demographics; specially in the context of Unity. However the way Canonical does this stinks "we want control!" from a distance.
With that in mind, look at the part I've emphasised. It shows the actual reason why Canonical is ditching software-properties from the defaults: because it
... Show more...First it was Mir, the alternative to X and Wayland. Then it was Unity (notice the name!), yet another desktop environment. Now it's snaps, as an alternative to flatpak.
Are you noticing the pattern? It's always Canonical trying to force some distro-agnostic tool into the Linux community, so other distros start depending on Canonical. Always doing this through unnecessary fragmentation.
To be clear, fragmentation is not always bad. Sometimes it enables people to appease different target demographics; specially in the context of Unity. However the way Canonical does this stinks "we want control!" from a distance.
With that in mind, look at the part I've emphasised. It shows the actual reason why Canonical is ditching software-properties from the defaults: because it wants to press further for snaps, in detriment of .deb packages.
What follows is basically an excuse. I don't think it's actually removing it because "it's too dangerous" or whatnot. However, if anything "this is an excuse, not the real reason" only adds injury, because it shows 1) that Canonical sees no problem misleading the users on why it does something; and 2) the people working there are so detached, but so detached from the userbase that they don't get why this would rub users the wrong way. (It's basically a "you're trash too stupid to not cause itself harm" dammit.)
Ah, by the way: Canonical was always some sort of Apple wannabe.
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lengau
in reply to Lvxferre [he/him] • • •Mir came about because the people behind Wayland were fucking around for years without making progress. Now that Wayland has actually matured, Mir is a Wayland compositor.
Snaps predate (and do a whole lot more than) flatpak.
1 out of 3 isn't great.
Lvxferre [he/him]
in reply to lengau • • •This implies the motivation was either one or another. It's both: Canonical saw there was room to push for Mir, because the Wayland project was stagnant.
They saw they lost the fight, and gave up.
This does not contradict what I said: even if snaps are older Canonical is still pushing them as much as it can, because it can't control the alternative other distros would rather use (flatpaks). Or the distribution of software using that package system.
Nah, 3 out of 3. False dichotomy and red herring aren't enough to discard either example.
But for the sake of argument let us pretend this was a 0 out
... Show more...This implies the motivation was either one or another. It's both: Canonical saw there was room to push for Mir, because the Wayland project was stagnant.
They saw they lost the fight, and gave up.
This does not contradict what I said: even if snaps are older Canonical is still pushing them as much as it can, because it can't control the alternative other distros would rather use (flatpaks). Or the distribution of software using that package system.
Nah, 3 out of 3. False dichotomy and red herring aren't enough to discard either example.
But for the sake of argument let us pretend this was a 0 out of 3 instead. The point would still stand, given those are solely examples highlighting Canonical's modus operandi.
Speaking about the third example (Unity) you didn't mention: the situation was rather similar to Wayland: Canonical was displeased with GNOME 2.X, likely predicted 3.0 was going to be a trainwreck (it was), and then did its own thing instead of contributing with another project it wouldn't be able to control.
I think the general Linux userbase is so used to non-profit projects that it forgets Canonical is a corporation, and corporations always seek control.
lengau
in reply to Lvxferre [he/him] • • •Canonical employees have been part of making Wayland since before Mir existed. Mir came about because Canonical wanted to have something that actually worked within a reasonable amount of time. The result? A bunch of places where groups with lots of resources will contribute to Linux (such as automotive systems) use Mir because it was actually practical to use within a reasonable timeframe. A lot of the recent progress in Wayland has come because the people who were holding it up for years finally gave up and listened to the practical concerns from experts who work at places like Canonical and Nvidia.
And snaps still do things that Flatpaks don't, such as being able to package a kernel and system services. So even if Canonical wanted to switch to flatpak, they couldn't. Not without making changes that are fundamentally contrary to the design of flatpak.
I didn't mention the Unity thing because while I don't agree with your assertions, I do think it's an example of how someone at Canonical's hate for KDE has prevented them from making the same good decision at least 3 t
... Show more...Canonical employees have been part of making Wayland since before Mir existed. Mir came about because Canonical wanted to have something that actually worked within a reasonable amount of time. The result? A bunch of places where groups with lots of resources will contribute to Linux (such as automotive systems) use Mir because it was actually practical to use within a reasonable timeframe. A lot of the recent progress in Wayland has come because the people who were holding it up for years finally gave up and listened to the practical concerns from experts who work at places like Canonical and Nvidia.
And snaps still do things that Flatpaks don't, such as being able to package a kernel and system services. So even if Canonical wanted to switch to flatpak, they couldn't. Not without making changes that are fundamentally contrary to the design of flatpak.
I didn't mention the Unity thing because while I don't agree with your assertions, I do think it's an example of how someone at Canonical's hate for KDE has prevented them from making the same good decision at least 3 times.
If you want to pretend it's Canonical vs. nonprofits, you're going to have an ugly surprise when you find out which corporation hired most of the people who held up Wayland for so long and has its tentacles so deeply in Flatpaks. (HINT: it's not SuSE)
Chakravanti
in reply to Lvxferre [he/him] • • •It's corporate parasite for corporate parasites.
In and of itself as such, it's not a bad thing but if you're a person, don't touch it. You should easily see why.
Lvxferre [he/him]
in reply to Chakravanti • • •I like how you phrased it. And it explains well why Canonical is so detached from the userbase, or doesn't care about fragmentation — it's simply that its ~~host~~ target audience is ~~other parasites~~ also corporate.
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Taleya
in reply to ExLisper • • •This is not true in any way shape or form.
User roles and controls are baked into linux and have been since its inception
Also RHEL has been The Corporate Linux for decades
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in reply to cm0002 • • •They are not entirely wrong for not trusting them though. I have broken more than one Ubuntu installs... and I consider myself a semi-advanced user.
If more windows people join and Ubuntu wants to keep them, they need protection from doing stupid things like uninstalling all display and graphics drivers or system critical packages...
Don't underestimate people's stupidity, at least that something that Microsoft and apple get right.