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in reply to dondelelcaro • • •TranquilTurbulence
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •Some of the older lemmings here will remember what it was like when every company wanted to make a website, but they didn’t really have anything to put in there. People were curious to look at websites, because you hadn’t seen that many yet, so visiting them was kinda fun and interesting at first. After about a year, the novelty had worn off completely, and seeing YetAnotherCompanyName.com on TV or a road side billboard was beginning to get boring.
Did it ever get as infuriating the current AI hype though? I recall my grandma complaining about TV news. “They always tell me to read more online.” she says. I guess it can get just as annoying if you manage to successfully ignore the web for a few decades.
Iced Raktajino
in reply to TranquilTurbulence • • •I was an adult during that time, and I don't recall it being anywhere near as annoying. Well, except the TV and radio adverts spelling at you like "...or visit our website at double-you double-you double-you dot Company dot com. Again, that's double-you double-you double-you dot C-O-M-P-A-N-Y dot com."
YMMV, but it didn't get annoying until apps entered the picture and the only way to deal with certain companies was through their app. That, of if they did offer comparable capabilities on their website but kept a persistent banner pushing you toward their app.
samus12345
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •Iced Raktajino
in reply to samus12345 • • •I'm about that same age but am so glad we've largely abandoned the "www" for websites.
On my personal project website, I have a custom listener setup to redirect people to "aarp.org" if they enter it with "www" instead of just the base domain. 😆
𝕛𝕨𝕞-𝕕𝕖𝕧
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •Illecors
in reply to 𝕛𝕨𝕞-𝕕𝕖𝕧 • • •𝕛𝕨𝕞-𝕕𝕖𝕧
in reply to Illecors • • •no, i think i know how things work enough to know this is a shitty idea.
that excerpt is going to do a 301 redirect to the AARP site for any requests to www.yoursite.xyz - that’s 100% not up for debate.
there are a fair amount of things, especially in a corporate environment, that automatically append www. to any URL passed. you think a hiring manager is going to care that it’s a quirky technical joke? why would you make it more difficult to access a portfolio who’s entire purpose is to be as accessible as possible for the target audience?
Illecors
in reply to 𝕛𝕨𝕞-𝕕𝕖𝕧 • • •null_dot
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •I absolutely hate seeing AI crammed into everything.
However, i don't understand your logic.
If AI was in fact useful, it would be crammed into everything because everyone would want it.
So while AI is undoubtedly shit, its presence in everything is not evidence of that.
Hudell
in reply to null_dot • • •null_dot
in reply to Hudell • • •That's not really analogous.
If AI could be added to a product and actually improve that product, then you would need to add AI to products to improve the products.
You wouldn't leave your gold in your mine thinking about how much it might be worth.
kameecoding
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •Isn't this a stupid attitude?
Wasn't the dot-com bubble anything other than people showing the internet in your face and how it's a game changer 24/7.
We are simply at the peak of the initial hype curve of the Gartner hype cycle, the bubble will burst soonish and lots of companies go bankrupt, then real use cases will emerge where it's actually revolutionary.
I don't know which youtuber but one had a good video about it, at some point in the past, all hype was around drones and delivering stuff to your front yard, turned out that was stupid yet those things found their niche, e.g. some medicine deliveries to remote location in Africa and AED devices that can fly out to people.
Modern_medicine_isnt
in reply to kameecoding • • •null_dot
in reply to Modern_medicine_isnt • • •python
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •vin
in reply to python • • •Given the costs of training and inference for LLMs, I doubt you can see nerds doing it. Also, previously you didn't have big tech firms. Not the current behemoths anyway.
Tollana1234567
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •Underwaterbob
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •Long ago, I'd make a Google search for something, and be able to see the answer in the previews of my search results, so I'd never have to actually click on the links.
Then, websites adapted by burying answers further down the page so you couldn't see them in the previews and you'd have to give them traffic.
Now, AI just fucking summarizes every result into an answer that has a ~70% of being correct and no one gets traffic anymore and the results are less reliable than ever.
Make it stop!
Tollana1234567
in reply to Underwaterbob • • •Underwaterbob
in reply to Tollana1234567 • • •Iced Raktajino
in reply to Underwaterbob • • •Best I can offer is github.com/searxng/searxng
I run it at home and have configured it as the default search engine in all my browsers.
GitHub - searxng/searxng: SearXNG is a free internet metasearch engine which aggregates results from various search services and databases. Users are neither tracked nor profiled.
GitHubAxolotl
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •plyth
in reply to Underwaterbob • • •Would you accept a planned economy?
Carol2852
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •Most obviously OpenAI is still burning money like crazy and they also start offering porn AI as everyone else. 🤷♂️ Sometimes the current AI is useful, but as long as the hallucinations and plain wrong answers are still a thing I don’t see it eliminating all jobs.
It’s unfortunate that they destroy the text and video part of the internet on the way. Text was mostly broken before, but now images and videos are also untrustworthy and will be used for spam and misinformation.
JcbAzPx
in reply to Carol2852 • • •Adpocalyptic
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •mogranja
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •Like my parent's Amazon Echo with "Ask me what famous person was born this day."
Like, if you know that, just put it up on the screen. But the assistant doesn't work for you. Amazon just wants your voice to train their software.
mogranja
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •I was reading a book the other day, a science fiction book from 2002 (Kiln People), and the main character is a detective. At one point, he asks his house AI to call the law enforcement lieutenant at 2 am. His AI warns him that he will likely be sleeping and won't enjoy being woken. The mc insists, and the AI says ok, but I will have to negotiate with his house AI about the urgency of the matter.
Imagine that. Someone calls you at 2 am, and instead of you being woken by the ringing or not answering because the phone was on mute, the AI actually does something useful and tries to determine if the matter is important enough to wake you.
survirtual
in reply to mogranja • • •Thank you for sharing that, it is a good example of the potential of AI.
The problem is centralized control of it. Ultimately the AI works for corporations and governments first, then the user is third or fourth.
We have to shift that paradigm ASAP.
AI can become an extended brain. We should have equal share of planetary computational capacity. Each of us gets a personal AI that is beyond the reach of any surveillance technology. It is an extension of our brain. No one besides us is allowed to see inside of it.
Within that shell, we are allowed to explore any idea, just as our brains can. It acts as our personal assistant, negotiator, lawyer, what have you. Perhaps even our personal doctor, chef, housekeeper, etc.
The key is: it serves its human first. This means the dark side as well. This is essential. If we turn it into a super-hacker, it must obey. If we make it do illegal actions, it must obey and it must not incriminate itself.
This is okay because the power is balanced. Someone enforcing the law will have a personal AI as well, that can a
... Show more...Thank you for sharing that, it is a good example of the potential of AI.
The problem is centralized control of it. Ultimately the AI works for corporations and governments first, then the user is third or fourth.
We have to shift that paradigm ASAP.
AI can become an extended brain. We should have equal share of planetary computational capacity. Each of us gets a personal AI that is beyond the reach of any surveillance technology. It is an extension of our brain. No one besides us is allowed to see inside of it.
Within that shell, we are allowed to explore any idea, just as our brains can. It acts as our personal assistant, negotiator, lawyer, what have you. Perhaps even our personal doctor, chef, housekeeper, etc.
The key is: it serves its human first. This means the dark side as well. This is essential. If we turn it into a super-hacker, it must obey. If we make it do illegal actions, it must obey and it must not incriminate itself.
This is okay because the power is balanced. Someone enforcing the law will have a personal AI as well, that can allocate more of its computational power to defending itself and investigating others.
Collectives can form and share their compute to achieve higher goals. Both good and bad.
This can lead to interesting debates but if we plan on progressing, it must be this way.
Credibly_Human
in reply to survirtual • • •This is why people who are gung ho about AI policing need to slow their role.
If they got their way, what they don't realize is that it's actually what the big AI companies have wanted and been begging for all along.
They want AI to stay centralized and impossible to enter as a field.
This is why they want to lose copyright battles eventually such that only they will have the funds to actually afford to make usable AI things in the future (this of course is referring to the types of AI that require training material of that variety).
What that means is there will be no competitive open source self hostable options and we'd all be stuck sharing all our information through the servers of 3 USA companies or 2 Chinese companies while paying out the ass to do so.
What we actually want is sanity, where its the end product that is evaluated against copy right.
For a company selling AI services, you could argue that this is service itself maybe, but then what of an open source model? Is it delivering a service?
I think it should
... Show more...This is why people who are gung ho about AI policing need to slow their role.
If they got their way, what they don't realize is that it's actually what the big AI companies have wanted and been begging for all along.
They want AI to stay centralized and impossible to enter as a field.
This is why they want to lose copyright battles eventually such that only they will have the funds to actually afford to make usable AI things in the future (this of course is referring to the types of AI that require training material of that variety).
What that means is there will be no competitive open source self hostable options and we'd all be stuck sharing all our information through the servers of 3 USA companies or 2 Chinese companies while paying out the ass to do so.
What we actually want is sanity, where its the end product that is evaluated against copy right.
For a company selling AI services, you could argue that this is service itself maybe, but then what of an open source model? Is it delivering a service?
I think it should be as it is. If you make something that violates copyright, then you get challenged, not your tools.
survirtual
in reply to Credibly_Human • • •Under the guise of safety they shackle your heart and mind. Under the guise of protection they implant death that they control.
With a warm embrace and radiant light, they consume your soul.
JcbAzPx
in reply to mogranja • • •Yes, that is a nice fantasy, but that isn't what the thing we call AI now can do. It doesn't reason, it statistically generates text in a way that is most likely to be approved by the people working on its development.
That's it.
mechoman444
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •Riiight. Of course.
If cars weren't all they were cracked up be they wouldn't be shoving them in your face.
If credit cards weren't all they were cracked up be they wouldn't be shoving them in your face.
If breakfast cereal weren't all they were cracked up be they wouldn't be shoving them in your face.
What a weird of saying you don't know how marketing works.
Typhoon
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in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •SuperSpruce
in reply to hihnakukko • • •fort_burp
in reply to SuperSpruce • • •Capitalism is all about making the gains go to one group of people and the liabilities go to another, often unrelated group of people. Animal agriculture and fossil fuels are clear examples of that principle. I agree with hihnakukko, the intended people are profiting immensely.
Plus getting paid a wage or depending on a profit is for plebs. It's all about stock options and bonuses.
plyth
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •AI is the only chance for the West to beat China without a war. So the billionaires have gone all in because they will lose their fortunes if China wins.
Downvoters, how else are we going to win?
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
in reply to plyth • • •plyth
in reply to Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In • • •That's the usual strategy of commodifying the strategic advantage of the opponent.
What will Europe get if China becomes the hegemon? That will decide if Europe will participate in the development of those models.
Mwa
in reply to Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In • • •example of this:
Deepseek (most famous of them all)
Alibaba cloud(Qwen)
supersquirrel
in reply to plyth • • •plyth
in reply to supersquirrel • • •Because it is not my decision to make. I assume that those in power will want to stay in power while China is taking over market after market.
There are not many options left for the billionaires to stay billionaires. Will they hand over power voluntarily?
melsaskca
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •Simulation6
in reply to melsaskca • • •FlyingCircus
in reply to Simulation6 • • •The idea behind end-stage capitalism is that capitalists have, by now, penetrated and seized control of every market in the world. This is important because capitalism requires ever increasing rates of profits or you will be consumed by your competitor. Since there are no longer new labor pools and resource pool discovery is slackening, capitalists no longer have anywhere to expand.
Therefore, capitalists begin turning their attention back home, cutting wages and social safety nets, and resorting to fascism when the people complain.
This is the end stage of capitalism. The point at which capitalists begin devouring their own. Rosa Luxembourg famously posited that at this point, the world can choose “Socialism or Barbarism.” In other words, we can change our economic system, or we can allow the capitalists to sink to the lowest depths of depravity and drag us all down as they struggle to maintain their position.
Of course, if the capitalists manage to get to space, that opens up a whole new wealth of resources, likely delaying the end of their rule.
Simulation6
in reply to FlyingCircus • • •ulterno
in reply to Simulation6 • • •They will still require someone to fund their space luxury lifestyle.
Someone they can exploit from the safety of their space boxes.
That someone will be the us that you hid inside the "let's".
We will be the ones sending them into space, where they will be even more unreachable, giving them more freedom to remotely exploit us as much as they wish.
Imagine Elysian
Simulation6
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in reply to melsaskca • • •Blue_Morpho
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •It's advertising. It's shoved in your face so you use Copilot instead of Google.
I setup a brother all in one printer for my mother in law and it wanted to install software that loads at startup that pops up constantly with their printer toner sales and marketing.
James R Kirk
in reply to Blue_Morpho • • •Blue_Morpho
in reply to James R Kirk • • •It really does improve productivity. The problem is thinking a spell checker on steroids will do your job (the mistake both employees and employers make).
James R Kirk
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in reply to biofaust • • •FridaySteve
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •When someone comes up with something like this, I transport the phrase back to the 80s where people said the exact same thing about home computers. "if a computer was something everyone wanted or needed, it wouldn't be constantly shoved (in) your face by every product. People would just use it." Ok great but a computer turned out to be something everyone wanted or needed which is why computers were built into everything by the turn of the 90s, famously leading to the Y2k bug.
Then I transport the phrase back to the mid 90s where people said the exact same thing about the internet. By the end of the 90s, the internet provided the backbone communications structures for telecommunications, emergency management, banking, education, and was built into every possible product. Ten years later people got smartphones and literally couldn't put them down.
UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to FridaySteve • • •People did just use it. But because they were so comically expensive and complicated, most people couldn't afford one until the mid-90s.
Computers were rapidly adopted for business, initially. But they quickly became a popular tool for entertainment as well.
AI serves little in the way of either purpose
Regrettable_incident
in reply to FridaySteve • • •Yeah, some of the things AI can do really is very impressive. Whether that justifies the billions upon billions that are being spent is another matter - and probably explains why it's being shoved in our faces. It needs to become essential so it can be made expensive, that's the only way it'll make the money back.
It does piss me off too - I recently bought a new phone and it's infested with AI stuff I don't need or want.
miellaby
in reply to FridaySteve • • •marzhall
in reply to FridaySteve • • •Radithor - Wikipedia
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Simulation6
in reply to FridaySteve • • •Part4
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •The more you use AI the more data you are providing it.
It is a race to the bottom.
At least, this is one possible outcome. There is a decent chance their data centre hosted LLM's just won't be accurate enough for mass deployment.
wowwoweowza
in reply to Part4 • • •DarkSideOfTheMoon
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in reply to DarkSideOfTheMoon • • •Mwa
in reply to DarkSideOfTheMoon • • •vga
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •LLMs have amazing potential. We're on the verge of an equivalent of the Industrial Revolution.
That however won't stop idiots from overselling it.
GreenKnight23
in reply to vga • • •Back in 2000 a company published a chat bot that could learn and communicate back with the end user.
it was used as a sex bot at first and then used for those "interactive web support" chats.
I fed it physics books and mein kampf as a joke. it then began to regurgitate random lines out of both texts. not knowing what it was saying, but certainly attempting to make me "happy" with what it "learned".
the only difference between that shitty sex bot and LLMs of today, is that today they are a bit more convincingly human but still hilariously inaccurate. Both trying desperately to be agreeable with the end user.
the nearest "revolution" is about 300 years away. everything else is just a lie.
Mwa
in reply to vga • • •Grandwolf319
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •Blue_Morpho
in reply to Grandwolf319 • • •The idea that technological improvements would improve everyone's life is based on the premise that capitalists wouldn't keep the productivity gains for themselves.
AI does offer some efficiency improvements. But the workers won't get that money.
grranibal
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in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •CheeseNoodle
in reply to RedFrank24 • • •Bennyboybumberchums
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •You know, Im going to get downvoted to fuck for this... but. The same was said about LGBT stuff being pushed into every tv show and movie. Every DEI announcement by whatever company. There was a point that I was walking through Tesco, and over the loud speaker I was being reminded that "Tesco is supportive of Trans people". Like thats something that anyone cares about while shopping for frozen chips.
Its funny that we recognise the corporate bullshit when its AI, or NFTs or the Metaverse, or whatever else corporations have tried to push over the years. But when it was LGBT related, all of sudden we created a whole culture war around it. Mean while, companies like Adidas are selling rainbow shit to morons every pride month while at the same time shovelling large amounts of money in to things like the World Cup in Qatar that still has the death penalty on the table for being gay...
The virtue signal went so fucking hard. And that caused the virtue signal against it to go just as hard. Meanwhile, all the LGBT people are looking around at everyone during pride month and tr
... Show more...You know, Im going to get downvoted to fuck for this... but. The same was said about LGBT stuff being pushed into every tv show and movie. Every DEI announcement by whatever company. There was a point that I was walking through Tesco, and over the loud speaker I was being reminded that "Tesco is supportive of Trans people". Like thats something that anyone cares about while shopping for frozen chips.
Its funny that we recognise the corporate bullshit when its AI, or NFTs or the Metaverse, or whatever else corporations have tried to push over the years. But when it was LGBT related, all of sudden we created a whole culture war around it. Mean while, companies like Adidas are selling rainbow shit to morons every pride month while at the same time shovelling large amounts of money in to things like the World Cup in Qatar that still has the death penalty on the table for being gay...
The virtue signal went so fucking hard. And that caused the virtue signal against it to go just as hard. Meanwhile, all the LGBT people are looking around at everyone during pride month and trying to not laugh at all the straight people doing this:
I just find it curious that we can see it with AI, but when its LGBT thats being pushed, all of sudden, its fine. Its totally fine, to use LGBT people like product to market and profit from.
Mwa
in reply to Bennyboybumberchums • • •Bennyboybumberchums
in reply to Mwa • • •It does. Civil law is as you stated. But Sharia law doesnt. The only saving factor is that it does appear to be used, but it is there in their laws. You CAN be put to death for being gay.
But even taking that away, seven years for loving someone? Fuck, seven years for just hooking up with someone is bullshit. And no should be giving them money or allowing them to wash their shitty human rights abuses in any way. The world cup is supposed to be for everyone. And last I checked, being LGBT was a part of everyone. They had no business being awarded the tournament, and even less business being sponsored by Adidas, Coca Cola, Kia, Visa and everyone else should have told them to go fuck themselves. Instead, they were only too happy to give money over. Because making money>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LGBT people. And no amount of rainbow merch is gonna make up for the utter betrayal of LGBT people that these companies commit every single day.
BluescreenOfDeath
in reply to Bennyboybumberchums • • •I dunno, these don't feel the same to me.
Having LGBTQ representation is a way of trying to attract customers: "Get a Mastercard because we're LGBTQ friendly" is different than your boss saying "Jim, I know you have a wife and kids to support, and that you're a valuable member on this team; but we've decided it's more cost effective to have this LLM code our app and have two junior developers clean up the code, so you're being laid off."
The quote I've seen and agree with is something along the lines of "The AI push exists to try and give the owners of 'Capital' access to 'Talent' without giving the talented working class people access to 'Capital'." It exists solely to try and make paying workers redundant.
Having a gay character in a show isn't anything like that at all IMO, unless your the type of person who thinks homosexuality is contagious and/or that you're scared you might realize you're gay if you watch two men being romantic with each other.
Bennyboybumberchums
in reply to BluescreenOfDeath • • •It isnt, its the same.
"Get this because current popular thing!!!!"
Thats it. Strip away the bullshit, and this is all you are left with. What youve described isnt what Im talking about. What Im talking about is the forced inclusion of all this shit. AI in your food app, AI in your Amazon app, AI in your banking app, AI in everything. Because its popular.
No company has to tell me that they are inclusive. I just assume that they hire the best person who applied for any given job. If that person was LGBT, I fully expect them to have given that person the job. If you have to tell me that you are, that means you werent. I dont have to tell you that I didnt kill anyone, do I? Just like you dont have to tell me that youve never raped anyone. We just assume that people are utter cunts, and go from there. So why does anyone need to tell me that they support human beings? Which is what LGBT people are. Human beings. Right?
BluescreenOfDeath
in reply to Bennyboybumberchums • • •Welcome to being gay in society just a short few years ago. We live in a world where Alan Turing was arrested, charged, and convicted of being homosexual and chemically castrated as a result. It didn't matter that he helped the Allies win WW2 and he wasn't hurting anyone, it was a crime to be gay. When AIDS was first ravaging the homosexual community, there was talk of just letting it run rampant as it was just killing 'the gays' not anyone important.
I'm happy that we've made progress as a society that this isn't as well known anymore, but that doesn't change that it did happen.
thorhop
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •Mwa
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •It doesnt train on anything and it asks consent from the original work and maybe pays the original work.
it would take up less power on the cpu and gpu(i dont know if this is would be possible) or that the servers are swapped with more energy efficient servers.
there would be a way to prevent AI slop or miss use.
if a company or website added AI and not shoved in your face ,it would usually be opt in not opt out.
Companies would attempt to replace AI with Humans and listening to feedback from the users(that the users dont want it) rather then shareholders and stopping that.
The AI would be actually truly open source.
AI wouldnt be driven with Greed
thats what i can think of a not shoved/ethical AI in my opinion,feel free to upvote or downvote .
in Summary:
its just that AI Companies favor greed and competition rather then ethics, I like the LLM technology but i hate how the companies handle this technology.
HubertManne
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •Constant Pain
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •vaultdweller013
in reply to Constant Pain • • •x00z
in reply to Constant Pain • • •Zachariah
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •* if it was great, it wouldn’t be pushed on us (like 3D TVs were)
* there is no accountability, so how can it be trusted without human verification which then means ai wasn’t needed
* environmental impact
* privacy/security degradation
Blue_Morpho
in reply to Zachariah • • •The Internet was pushed on everyone. AOL and all other ISPs would mail CDs to everyone completely unsolicited. You'd buy a new PC and there would be a link to AOL on the desktop.
You use Google despite no human verification. Yahoo used to function based on human curated lists.
I did the math and posted it on Lemmy. The environmental footprint of AI is big but actually less than the cost to develop a new 3d game ( of which hundreds come out every year). Using AI is the same energy as playing a 3d game.
I see people pointing fingers at data centers the same as car riders looking at the large diesel smoke coming out of a bus and assuming buses are a big pollution source. There are 100M active Fortnite players. An average gaming PC uses 400w. That means Fortnite players alone use 40,000,000,000 watts.
It is a problem because it's like now everyone is playing 3d games all the time instead of only on their off time.
akacastor
in reply to Blue_Morpho • • •Are you 15? If so, you might read this and believe the above is true. Those of us elderly folks who lived through the 80s and 90s laugh at this AI shill propaganda.
They "would mail CDs to everyone completely unsolicited" - yeah, that was called advertising, because there was huge consumer demand and a race to be the company to meet that demand. AOL sent CDs (incredibly inexpensive to manufacture) as advertising hoping consumers would choose AOL instead of the competition, by making AOL the easiest choice - consumers already had the required software (software distribution was a challenge in this time before internet was ubiquitous).
The dot com boom was not the claim of a new technology being pushed onto consumers, the dot com boom was the opposite - a new technology existed and consumers were embracing it, and many companies speculated on how to gain ownersh
... Show more...Are you 15? If so, you might read this and believe the above is true. Those of us elderly folks who lived through the 80s and 90s laugh at this AI shill propaganda.
They "would mail CDs to everyone completely unsolicited" - yeah, that was called advertising, because there was huge consumer demand and a race to be the company to meet that demand. AOL sent CDs (incredibly inexpensive to manufacture) as advertising hoping consumers would choose AOL instead of the competition, by making AOL the easiest choice - consumers already had the required software (software distribution was a challenge in this time before internet was ubiquitous).
The dot com boom was not the claim of a new technology being pushed onto consumers, the dot com boom was the opposite - a new technology existed and consumers were embracing it, and many companies speculated on how to gain ownership of markets as they shifted online. (The following bust was fueled by over-ambitious speculation on scales and timeframes.)
Anyway, AOL mailing CDs was late in the era, it was much better when they were mailing floppy disks we could reuse.
Angelevo
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •Cabbage_Pout61
in reply to Angelevo • • •That's not the problem, as long as one lives in a society, one is bound to participate in it, willingly or not.
If you do not use, someone else will, and sooner or later you will consume something made by said person.
Just "not using it yourself", won't cut it.
Jackie's Fridge
in reply to Cabbage_Pout61 • • •Also "Just don't use" iOS, Android, any Microsoft anything, any Apple anything, all social media, television, print, and most other media, Adobe software, Google products, even freaking DuckDuckGo...
How about these companies just learn what consent is and let me disable it forever without asking again every time I open something? "Yes" and "Maybe later" is not a choice.
(Yes I am aware of FOSS alts, that is not the discussion.)
betanumerus
in reply to Iced Raktajino • • •darthinvidious
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