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You know why we Germans are so pedantic about data protection? Someone around 90 years ago went through all records available, selected people with certain criteria, with the help of IBM, and then killed them all.

We don't want to be on any list.

And now the US Gov and Musk are trying to get access to all data they have about every person and put them into a big fat DB and run AI over it.

I am afraid what they will do with that.

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@SaanichGuy @fenkt @MrLaCave I will never be thankful enough to US for helping my country (Italy) to get rid of fascists. Yet I have to say that the fight against racism was all but the target of USA in the '40s. The Republican Constitution of 1948 swept away all form of racism from Italy's law. Other European countries did the same. USA had to wait the '60s for declaring racial segregation a crime.
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If you read the black American writers (and musicians) - Wright, Baldwin, etc - that washed up in Paris after the war, the experience they describe is escape from the burden of US systemic prejudice and discrimination. Baldwin was also gay. They spent a lot of time with Sartre and DeBeauvoir - and at the First International Congress of Negro Writers & Artists in Paris in 1956 Wright was the only speaker to complain about the near absence of black women writers. There were very direct, personal lines from the post-war experience of liberation in Europe to the black civil rights, 'women's lib' and gay liberation movements in the US in the 60s.

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And they provided the tech support for those machines, so when the nazis wanted to know stuff like: can we create a category for say; religion

They where the ones that explained how.

Also they continued to supply parts for those machines even after the US entered the war via a subsidiary company in switzerland.

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@MrLaCave For an overview, see here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM#1910โ€ฆ

Also some more details: theguardian.com/world/2002/marโ€ฆ

IBM 'dealt directly with Holocaust organisers'

Newly discovered documents from Hitler's Germany prove that IBM directly supplied the Nazis with technology which was used to help transport millions of people to their deaths in the concentration camps.
Oliver Burkeman (The Guardian)
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Actually; Even more so in the Netherlands. The Dutch had migrated to a fully IBM/Hollerith Machine backed public administration ('digital' first, bedenken second oder so) before the invasion. After the invasion, the German's were just like "uuuuh, we know these machines! Got a query to run, let's call our IBM consultant!";

This is why (by %/population) so many more were murdered in NL; And why the Dutch resistance burned archives:

annefrank.org/en/timeline/128/โ€ฆ
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1943_Amsโ€ฆ

1943 Amsterdam civil registry office bombing - Wikipedia

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@burningTyger Well, the underlying truth is that the holocaust was fundamentally enabled by what we call "IT people" today.

And for some reason, nobody in IT got that memo and happily collects (meta) data without thinking about the possible dire consequences.

You can't lose data you don't have.

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@tfiebig @burningTyger
35 years ago, when I finished high school I drifted apart from my friends/classmates who were into tech and science as they had 0 problems with bootlicking Thatcho and working for big USA tech companies, including the military-industrial/surveillance complex (which was a major employer in UK even decades ago, our tech industry is built on it). I see some of them on LinkedIn, they are still working for those corporates and are unrepentant..
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Since this gets tons of boosts:

Trans rights are human rights. Asylum is a human right.

Go vote whenever you can. Vote for parties who support migrants, protect climate and help people of all genders.

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Exactly! Most people can't fathom the Holocaust, because of it's cruelty (which is completely fair!). But what is IMHO even worse, is the organized efficiency with which that cruelty has been perpetrated. This is why fighting for civil liberties, including data protection, is IMHO the most basic form of anti-fascism.

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I've been thinking of exactly this since the first reports emerged about Musk's group accessing all of these repositories of population data.

I have a slide when I deliver data protection training to colleagues, about the 1930s census data being used by the Reich with the help of IBM's punch card system and tabulated data, allowing everything that followed to take place with such efficiency - then I mention 'big data' and digital processing and automation.

It's chilling.

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It's sadly not gonna help if there's no community building/cooperative where people protect each other. If you have the best homestead but bad relationship with neighbours they will rat you out whenever the military comes and then you don't have the homestead anymore. And even then it's hard without actual organised resistance. Source - am originally from Poland, with my family being "moved" by military multiple times because Churchill and Stalin redrew a map
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This problem is not new. This is why crypto-anarchist situationists advocate for a radical revolutionary change of cyberspace core concepts and architecture, getting rid of the current server notion, ensuring that all data for all public services are common goods owned and managed democratically by all of us, collectively, provenly.

Such political goal requires a radical paradigm shift. A new cyberspace concept and architecture.

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@benny No this is not what I said. I'm talking about distributed mesh networks, where every citizen has a same node, having a little piece of everything. Don't ask me to describe you in the 512 chars of a toot some work we are doing since almost 5 years now on such alternative architectures and concept, it's simply impossible.

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- Have you ever considered that almost all government institutions in Europe have contracts with Microsoft to manage their government administration? They almost all use Zoom, Office products, cloud storage, etc. Belgium concluded a Copilot contract with Microsoft a few weeks ago in Davos to simplify the administration, but... there is 1 big but...
In the United States, there is a law called CLOUD ACT (last update in 2022) which states that the US government has the right to view ALL cloud services of US Tech companies in certain circumstances for "national security reasons", even if the servers are located in other countries.
That is, for example, what European law prescribes, that all servers are located on European territory.
Imagine if the Americans, in order to put pressure on their Tariff plans, threatened to unleash Adolph Musk on those servers?
FYI: justice.gov/criminal/cloud-actโ€ฆ

CLOUD Act Resources

www.justice.gov
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#ITpol
๐Ÿ‘‰From Mussolini to MeloniHas fascism survived in Italy?๐Ÿ‘ˆ

(2/n)

...manages to survive the rapids of #Italian #Politics.

Doing a quick research of German-language press (SZ, NZZ, DW,) I'd say I've done too much marketing to accept a real difference b/w #NeoFascist and "#PostFascist."

Picking the #DW for lack of paywalls:

"From #Mussolini to #Meloni
Has #fascism survived in #Italy?"

deutschlandfunk.de/italien-fasโ€ฆ

"#Italy...

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Von Mussolini bis Meloni: Hat der Faschismus in Italien รผberlebt?

Italien wird von der ultrarechten Giorgia Meloni regiert. Vom historischen Mussolini-Faschismus distanziert sie sich, doch ihre Kritiker glauben ihr nicht.
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#politics #italy #dw #fascism #italian #meloni #mussolini #neofascist #itpol #postfascist @SaanichGuy ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ @Felix ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿšดโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ @Alberto Scaroni๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ @Frank Nord @Bodo Tasche @MrLaCave ย ย 
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#ITpol
๐Ÿ‘‰From #Mussolini to #Meloni
Has fascism survived in #Italy?๐Ÿ‘ˆ

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I understand your point of view.

I've see alcoholics doing succesful rehabs. I've never seen a really reformed fascist.
A leopard cannot change its spots.
#Meloni is just a lot more intelligent than, say #Trump.
Her spots will become a lot more evident, as she and her party consolidate power, just like Trump in his 2nd term.
This is my forecast, *if* Meloni...

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@HistoPol @leobm @SaanichGuy @fenkt @MrLaCave
When she was in her teen, she followed neo fascists organizations but now no. She simply can't. She avoided 'fascism' carefully since a long time. She even addressed fascism as 'evil'.
The fascist party is banned from italian politics and it's a formal crime as casted in the 1948 constitution.
She's far right. Ultra conservative. But in the very moment she would say the words 'I'm fascist' or pay homage to Mussolini, she would be charged.
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