@dannotdaniel with respect, maybe Kamala and most Dem by the way should first apologize for alienating so many people so they didn't vote. That, and the broken political system in the USA. I believe all decent people should have voted for keeping Trump away, but I understand why so many people didn't vote.
@dannotdaniel I have not seen any apologies from the Democrats for their complicit incompetence, no sign that they have learned anything, or that they plant to do anything other than the same things that put Trump in the White House TWICE! That was the last vote they got from me, not that it matters.
those'll be the ones who say shit like "oh, im not into politics" but complain when their iphones spy on them, when alexa turns voice recordings over to the cops, when a carton of eggs is 24 dollars, or when their german tourist friends get detained by cbp on the way into the US and then deported
@Viss my mom and the rest of this shitty family want me to just accept people despite their political beliefs and just not talk about politics cuz it makes people mad. Fuck no. I'm not going to pretend everything is dandy.
I feel like everyday is another set of people reenacting that scene from American Psycho where the secretary finds Bateman's planner and sees all the drawings on it. But the planner is Project 2025.
@mastodonmigration I’m not sure because I blocked all of my friends who said they wouldn't vote for Kamala Harris because she's "just as bad as Trump."
I know a number of people who justify it because they don't live in swing states so their vote didn't matter (some were furious over the genocide in Gaza even though Trump wants a much more thorough eradication of Gaza residents so he can build a resort). There were quite a few of these in California. Had those folks voted for Harris, she still would have lost the electoral college but might well have won the popular vote.
@not2b those people are victims of propaganda though, and I’m not saying that to excuse them. I’m just saying that they’ve been fed that line forever.
My brother was very republican and I remember 20 years ago him trying to convince me that there’s no point in me voting because we didn’t live in a swing state. So I asked him why he would be voting then, he just changed the subject. Of course I went to vote, Then some stupid hanging Chad gave it to Bush. That was made me mad enough that I continued to vote from then on.
Please note that I didn't say "who voted for Trump" and specifically said "who didn't vote for Kamala Harris" because I am referring to a much larger group of people who all fucked up.
In such cases it is generally the candidates who fucked up. This is no exception. (Mitigating circumstances as she picked up the pieces from an imploded campaign, but she made her own mistakes.)
When your strategy fails on that many million people, your strategy has failed.
Campaigning would be much easier if the candidates could choose the electorate. To some extent, that works for the Republicans, but it's not an ideal strategy.
@annaymone It doesn't matter. At least represent and vote for the only valid choice that had the potential to beat Trump. Maybe next time. If we get a next time.
@annaymone Your vote mattered. Many are claiming Trump's winning the popular vote as proof of his mandate for radical change. You helped make that happen. @Alice
I know at least one person who, "I dunno, I can't tell them apart," who isn't showing any signs of regret at all. This person has doubled down in fact. Says Trump is a pig and they hate them...but policy wise they're fine.
Other than that I don't really know. I don't want to either.
I personally know one guy who didn't vote because both parties supported israel's genocide so to him it was all the same. He's a muslim so I understand why he saw it that way, but he has since acknowledged that he fucked up.
@nazokiyoubinbou Indeed. Been thinking about this and feel like we need a better word for these insidious and effective tactics. Historically such things have been termed "psy-ops" warfare campaigns, and think that captures what is going on and the seriousness of the threat.
Even among never-Trumpers we have a disturbing number of people in this country that can’t fathom a woman being in charge. Well look what the old white asshole guy is giving us…
@nazokiyoubinbou Yes, history is replete with influence operations targeted at getting people to act in ways contrary to their best interest. But also in examples of people seeing through the manipulations and pushing back, sometimes very hard. Hopefully, things like yesterday will contribute to the growing awareness that we have been victims of a sophisticated psy-ops campaign.
the bubble is big. Musk owns twitter & has his thumb on that algorithm. Zuck & the bad faith GOP meta employs have their thumbs on the scale for GOP. Bezos & Patrick MD are moving their papers into the right wing sphere. The NYT is mostly made for people that might helicopter into the city from the hamptons. Cable news is bent GOP. Most AM talk is GOP. USA Today owns most local papers & plays "nonpartisan" / plays nice with GOP. If you're a low info voter, you're not hearing a boo.
No, almost none. They will all have convinced themselves that the black woman couldn’t be trusted, or that there was no way to know things would be this bad. Or more common, they don’t even know how bad things are and will go to great effort to remain ignorant.
I know someone still slobbering for the Greens and how it's everyone else's fault for not voting for them. Because they studied political theory blah blah blah their job sucks and has for decades blah blah blah Democrats and Republicans are the same blah blah blah
Most who withheld their vote are more proud of themselves for having resisted the demand that they vote for a woman than they are upset that fascists are dismantling the nation. They don't like what is happening, but at least a smart woman in a pantsuit didn't win.
In 2 years, they will look you in the eye & claim they voted Harris.
Yeah, I have relatives whom I want to reach out to me and say, "I'm so fucking sorry, you were right, I was a fascist but I don't want to be one any longer, please help me be better."
Surprisingly, not one has so far.
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Some may. Most don't. Many never will. Do the democratic strategists realize how badly they fucked letting 2 wedge driving campaigns remain active & uncontested in their ranks? Or switching up candidates weeks before the most important election in living memory? Just to appease party whiners? There's plenty of guilt to go round. Enough for everyone to get a heaping helping. Lets focus on the problem at hand. Everyone can argue over who owes what on the tab after the danger has passed.
does the Democratic party realize how awful they must be to lose to Trump *twice*? Nah, must be the voters' fault (Trump didn't gain a lot of votes this time round, but Dems *hemorrhaged*)
Does the Democratic party realise how badly they fucked up by refusing to follow the wishes of their nembers for the last 12 years at least? Bernie Sanders was what the rank and file wanted!
@msbellows @dannotdaniel @shaknais when the war started in 2014, we waited for such voices from Russia. Out of 100+ millions, only a handful, and some of them are dead.
Many people who don't vote also aren't up with what's going on in the world - theirs, or the wider world. They don't watch news, read newspapers, or use social media. They don't know and they don't care because they don't care about anything. Except themselves.
If you don't vote for lesser evil, you'll get bigger evil. Telling this from my own (country) experience. Exactly the same mistake made, min. 50 years of misery and struggling guaranteed (35y so far, no light in sight). Not so happy to see other countries following the same pattern.
We all need to take responsibility. Those of us who are American citizens and voted for #47 first and foremost, of course. Those who could have voted but didn't, next. Those who live in the USA but failed to show others why voting against 47 would actually have been in their interest, next. Finally, the rest of us, we, outside the USA, who failed to show you guys that that man and his entourage would irreparably damage your country's relationship with us.
Nope. The same sentient cesspool of disinformation that led them to their inaction (or to actually vote for the jackasses) is still in Panglossian overdrive convincing them that they wanted this and it's all for the best.
I don't think so, tradwives, macho rapist asshole men, fascists, forget it, the US is "partly" and i mean partly, (and i love a lot of the people there), totally fucked up
@McWabbit I think the excuse here is less “we didn’t know how bad Trump would be” and more “it’s the Dems’ fault for running [any given candidate]” or “I can’t vote for genocide! = I don’t want to FEEL responsible for genocide, even if the actions I fail to take contribute to that”.
@WhiteCatTamer @McWabbit A lot of people seem to think voting is an endorsement. It's not, or at least it shouldn't be if you're even remotely progressive. You're voting to slow the horrors, to stop the bleeding. To create a less dangerous environment for the next four years.
Voting is not the real work. But it makes the real work possible.
@nazokiyoubinbou @janvenetor @noondlyt It’s this childish stance that your vote should express your exact political beliefs. That somehow by not voting you are not culpable for the repercussions.
sadly i wasnt able to vote because im very poor and at the time i didnt have enough money to afford an uber to go vote sadly. i would have voted for harris if i could tho.
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Exactly. Most are white men (and to a bit lesser white women) who believe they have nothing to worry about and aren't familiar with how dictatorships inevitably turn on their own supporters. Their days are numbered. A bit longer than a lot of us but they're still numbered and they don't even realize that.
@ErickaSimone @dannotdaniel I didn't mean apologies to me personally, I meant to apologize to the American people for enabling a NAZI like Trump to seize the White House TWICE. But I guess to you the Dems can do no wrong.
Yea... in the end you're right. I've had some very dumb conversations with both white people and Mexicans where I'm like you do realize you're going to end up like the Samozas when the dictatorship started killing even you right? And they just stare at me like, "OK? When can I shop on Temu and buy my party dress."
@arisummerland @glitzersachen @Flisty @dannotdaniel Agreed! I have my own theories about voter fraud meaning that not as many people voted for Trump as there were votes counted for him, but I don't have any facts so I’m not commenting on it and I'm intentionally leaving it out of the discussion.
Even so, assuming all Trump votes were legitimate, a lot of idiots voted for him and a lot of other jerks didn't use their own votes in a useful way to effectively count against him.
@glitzersachen @Flisty @dannotdaniel I don't really want to go down the tinfoil hat road, but I would not put it past someone having rigged something this time around, with the weird comments about Pennsylvania, especially, and the fact that a lot of ballots were undervoted. It's all blood under the bridge at this point, though.
@arisummerland @dannotdaniel if it's like the UK and Brexit then a lot of people will simply stay very quiet and then in a few years you'll be hard pressed to find anyone (except the very loudest who can't backtrack) who didn't vote for her
Trump lost. That is, if all legal voters were allowed to vote, if all legal ballots were counted, Trump would have lost the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia.
@ErickaSimone @ClintonAnderson @dannotdaniel @shaknais And no, of course I'm not surprised. I don't even know if it's limited to white people, though I'm certainly not pushing back on that either. Conservatives in general do not revise their positions readily; if they could do so, they wouldn't remain conservatives.
I have heard a few claiming various “reasons” to justify their choice of voting for Trump, (none of which spoke to the real reason which was racism & misogyny) and absolute silence from those who abstained or voted third party or they are doubling down still thinking they were right.
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And conversely, by voting you are not culpable for the repercussions, because your vote cannot express your exact political beliefs. Nobody voted to ruin themselves, or remove their health care, or wreck their climate, or murder their grandmother. They were voting for someone else entirely, a heroic figure crafted by the expert manipulation all around them. And he didn't get elected, because he doesn't exist.
The fact is we all have to deal with terrible candidates, the destruction of democracy, and wealthy bastards enslaving us all, no matter who we voted for, whether or not we voted. We're under attack, and it's either defend against the media moguls, or die. It's either come together, and stop getting mad at people for voting wrong in a broken election, or divided, we fall.
When will they realise that the 20% tariff increases will simply push the price of imported goods by 20% and they are the ones who will have to pay? This amuses me quite a lot.
@peachfront @dannotdaniel Yes, people raising chickens in backyards is a great risk. Yesterday I paid € 2.99 for 6 (‘biological’-= more expensive) eggs. I hope for America they can soon say goodbye to this very ugly bunch of gov. morons and be saved by the bell
Experts whom they'd already been poisoned against by FUD, who they didn't know, who didn't know them. Experts who have lied about important things in the past. Some people even think destroying democracy is a good idea, because they don't know what that means for them. They don't know what they're voting for. They're not rational robots who always make sensible choices. They're human beings fallen prey to a cult, because cults have been calculated to have the maximum chance of controlling them by the few among us who believe themselves to be rational robots.
we need to try and realise your question has an answer: it is no. and they will die not realising it.
there is a recurrence scenario up in here:
1. they are incapable of realizing what they did wrong.
2. we are incapable of realising they are incapable of realising what they did wrong.
the buck doesnt stop with them. never can, never will. it stops with us. we must abandon the mission of "make them realise" because it is impossible. we must instead try other solution paths.
Idk, I only know one person who admits they don’t vote, and she is mad enough about trump she immediately shuns anyone who tells her they voted for him, but for some reason she doesn’t think her vote would have helped.
@ricardoharvin @ErickaSimone I LOVE the anarchists, but this is the second agressively awful c.im account I have seen in 2 days, and only the 2nd c.im account I have seen, so you’re not wrong about that one.
A lot of us white Americans are doing the difficult work of examining ourselves and challenging our brothers. You might want to try doing the same instead of being a schmuck online.
@maggiejk I've yet to encounter an anarchist whose ideas can actually work in the world in which I've lived for 66 years.
I love the idealism, but in my experience people are not naturally so ready and willing to share with everyone, everywhere, all the time, rather than to hoard and grab, as the underlying philosophy seems to require.
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in reply to Joe ❌👑 • • •@not2b those people are victims of propaganda though, and I’m not saying that to excuse them. I’m just saying that they’ve been fed that line forever.
My brother was very republican and I remember 20 years ago him trying to convince me that there’s no point in me voting because we didn’t live in a swing state. So I asked him why he would be voting then, he just changed the subject. Of course I went to vote, Then some stupid hanging Chad gave it to Bush. That was made me mad enough that I continued to vote from then on.
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in reply to Alice McFlurry • • •In such cases it is generally the candidates who fucked up. This is no exception. (Mitigating circumstances as she picked up the pieces from an imploded campaign, but she made her own mistakes.)
When your strategy fails on that many million people, your strategy has failed.
Campaigning would be much easier if the candidates could choose the electorate. To some extent, that works for the Republicans, but it's not an ideal strategy.
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in reply to Alice McFlurry • • •I did note that as I did the deliberate choice of not using "registered"
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in reply to Alice McFlurry • • •I know at least one person who, "I dunno, I can't tell them apart," who isn't showing any signs of regret at all. This person has doubled down in fact. Says Trump is a pig and they hate them...but policy wise they're fine.
Other than that I don't really know. I don't want to either.
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in reply to Alice McFlurry • • •not yet...when you stop getting replies and pushback because"no genocide" THEN, you will know that they know they fucked up
the silence will be your answer
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in reply to LAUREN • • •@noondlyt I still see people blaming this on genocide Joe or flailing democrats in general.
No, genocide don and world war vance is somewhat on you, voters, and a lot on them republicans.
#pol #politics #uspol
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Unknown parent • • •@nazokiyoubinbou @janvenetor @noondlyt This is a great summary:
"The broken logic of refusing to vote against the person who was *publicly* pro-genocide because the other candidate wasn't anti enough"
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Unknown parent • • •Indeed. Been thinking about this and feel like we need a better word for these insidious and effective tactics. Historically such things have been termed "psy-ops" warfare campaigns, and think that captures what is going on and the seriousness of the threat.
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Unknown parent • • •Most expensive and effective psy-ops campaign in history.
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Unknown parent • • •Yes, history is replete with influence operations targeted at getting people to act in ways contrary to their best interest. But also in examples of people seeing through the manipulations and pushing back, sometimes very hard. Hopefully, things like yesterday will contribute to the growing awareness that we have been victims of a sophisticated psy-ops campaign.
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in reply to Alice McFlurry • • •no those people never admit they are wrong about anything!
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in reply to Alice McFlurry • • •Yes & no.
Most who withheld their vote are more proud of themselves for having resisted the demand that they vote for a woman than they are upset that fascists are dismantling the nation. They don't like what is happening, but at least a smart woman in a pantsuit didn't win.
In 2 years, they will look you in the eye & claim they voted Harris.
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Unknown parent • • •Yeah, I have relatives whom I want to reach out to me and say, "I'm so fucking sorry, you were right, I was a fascist but I don't want to be one any longer, please help me be better."
Surprisingly, not one has so far.
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Unknown parent • • •@shaknais that's good to hear
not sure how it really helps but somehow it does
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in reply to Alice McFlurry • • •There's plenty of guilt to go round. Enough for everyone to get a heaping helping. Lets focus on the problem at hand. Everyone can argue over who owes what on the tab after the danger has passed.
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in reply to Alice McFlurry • •Does the Democratic party realise how badly they fucked up by refusing to follow the wishes of their nembers for the last 12 years at least? Bernie Sanders was what the rank and file wanted!
#BernieSanders #democrats
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in reply to Alice McFlurry • • •Many people who don't vote also aren't up with what's going on in the world - theirs, or the wider world. They don't watch news, read newspapers, or use social media. They don't know and they don't care because they don't care about anything. Except themselves.
One day, very soon, they'll find out though.
#TrumpDictatorship
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in reply to Alice McFlurry • • •It's crazy to me how much people are surprised.
This was an obvious outcome to anyone paying the slightest attention.
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in reply to Alice McFlurry • • •We all need to take responsibility. Those of us who are American citizens and voted for #47 first and foremost, of course. Those who could have voted but didn't, next. Those who live in the USA but failed to show others why voting against 47 would actually have been in their interest, next. Finally, the rest of us, we, outside the USA, who failed to show you guys that that man and his entourage would irreparably damage your country's relationship with us.
We ALL failed to prevent this.
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in reply to Jay • • •@WhiteCatTamer @McWabbit A lot of people seem to think voting is an endorsement. It's not, or at least it shouldn't be if you're even remotely progressive. You're voting to slow the horrors, to stop the bleeding. To create a less dangerous environment for the next four years.
Voting is not the real work. But it makes the real work possible.
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It’s this childish stance that your vote should express your exact political beliefs. That somehow by not voting you are not culpable for the repercussions.
But you are. You absolutely are.
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Unknown parent • • •Yea... in the end you're right. I've had some very dumb conversations with both white people and Mexicans where I'm like you do realize you're going to end up like the Samozas when the dictatorship started killing even you right? And they just stare at me like, "OK? When can I shop on Temu and buy my party dress."
Sigh.
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Unknown parent • • •@arisummerland @glitzersachen @Flisty @dannotdaniel Agreed! I have my own theories about voter fraud meaning that not as many people voted for Trump as there were votes counted for him, but I don't have any facts so I’m not commenting on it and I'm intentionally leaving it out of the discussion.
Even so, assuming all Trump votes were legitimate, a lot of idiots voted for him and a lot of other jerks didn't use their own votes in a useful way to effectively count against him.
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in reply to Flic • • •AFAIR nobody voted for Hitler either. Those 33%? A counting error. Or reptile people. We did never find out ...
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in reply to Three plus or minus five • • •And conversely, by voting you are not culpable for the repercussions, because your vote cannot express your exact political beliefs. Nobody voted to ruin themselves, or remove their health care, or wreck their climate, or murder their grandmother. They were voting for someone else entirely, a heroic figure crafted by the expert manipulation all around them. And he didn't get elected, because he doesn't exist.
The fact is we all have to deal with terrible candidates, the destruction of democracy, and wealthy bastards enslaving us all, no matter who we voted for, whether or not we voted. We're under attack, and it's either defend against the media moguls, or die. It's either come together, and stop getting mad at people for voting wrong in a broken election, or divided, we fall.
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Unknown parent • •When will they realise that the 20% tariff increases will simply push the price of imported goods by 20% and they are the ones who will have to pay? This amuses me quite a lot.
#tariffs2025
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in reply to Alice McFlurry • • •we need to try and realise your question has an answer: it is no. and they will die not realising it.
there is a recurrence scenario up in here:
1. they are incapable of realizing what they did wrong.
2. we are incapable of realising they are incapable of realising what they did wrong.
the buck doesnt stop with them. never can, never will. it stops with us. we must abandon the mission of "make them realise" because it is impossible. we must instead try other solution paths.
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Unknown parent • • •@renardboy @ErickaSimone @msbellows @dannotdaniel @shaknais
Watch me.
Americans wounds are self inflicted.
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in reply to Clinton Anderson SwordForHire • • •@ClintonAnderson @renardboy @ErickaSimone @dannotdaniel @shaknais No one's denying that.
Now: what have you done personally to remedy the harms Canadians like you have done to First Peoples?
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I don't respond to Whataboutery....
See ya
M.S. Bellows, Jr.
in reply to Clinton Anderson SwordForHire • • •@ClintonAnderson @renardboy @ErickaSimone @dannotdaniel @shaknais Yeah, I hear you. You won't take responsibility for the harms other Canadians have done, but you'll judge others harshly for the harms their peers have done.
A lot of us white Americans are doing the difficult work of examining ourselves and challenging our brothers. You might want to try doing the same instead of being a schmuck online.
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Clinton Anderson SwordForHire
in reply to M.S. Bellows, Jr. • • •@msbellows @renardboy @ErickaSimone @dannotdaniel @shaknais
Says a literal schmuck online....
And blocked
Alice McFlurry
in reply to Clinton Anderson SwordForHire • • •ɹ uɐp
in reply to Alice McFlurry • • •Ricardo Antifa Harvin
in reply to Maggie Maybe • • •@maggiejk I've yet to encounter an anarchist whose ideas can actually work in the world in which I've lived for 66 years.
I love the idealism, but in my experience people are not naturally so ready and willing to share with everyone, everywhere, all the time, rather than to hoard and grab, as the underlying philosophy seems to require.
Good luck to them though 👍🏿🤷🏿♂️