@matera Haha, I typed in a search engine for "furryfox" before realizing it was your way of naming Firefox. 😆 Catchy name. Yes, I'll keep my Firefox too in background. Right now mainly to compare when I have an issue with LibreWolf, and also to test my blog and peppercarrot website. 😉
It's good to have a few different browsers for website testing. I have an assortment of different browser profiles too. I use dedicated profiles mostly to keep Gahoogle and Zuckland noses out of my business.
@simonzerafa @protonprivacy @mozillaofficial I'm not sure how official the account you linked here is, the branding feels off and it's not really noted in the bio this is their official new account.
@simonzerafa @protonprivacy @mozillaofficial I mean something as simple like text-to-speech or OCR or machine translation models (like Google Translate/DeepL) can be considered "AI" technically. I'm a student and many courses involving creating our own models from scratch and many of my projects involving use models like tesseract-ocr, turtle-tts, YOLO, LLaMA,... for some tasks and this is painful for me as many outputs don't even make sense and I had to tweak a lot.
Thank you! Putting the Firefox dilemma in pictures makes it less academic and more approachable issue. I hope many people realize how empowering it is to use free software that can be replaced easily.
Thank you! Putting the Firefox dilemma in pictures makes it less academic and more approachable issue. I hope many people realize how empowering it is to use free software that can be replaced easily.
00:00 (Intro) 00:34 (Breaking Up with Adobe) 01:13 (Da Vinci Resolve) 02:51 (Reaper) 03:52 (Other Creative Software) 04:13 (Linux) 07:18 (A Public Service Announcement)
1. I know this may discourage other developers from updating their programs. Hopefully just a temporary plugin.
2. The title says it all. https://github.com/obsproject/obs-websocket/releases...
@mray Thanks! Oh yes it's not easy to find the time and do a change and walk the path of frustration of changing habit and studying settings.
Thanks for the video, I'm already subscribed to this animator artist, James Lee.
He recently announced moving to GNU/Linux. It's not the best period to do this for artists, with Wayland, all container war etc...I don't remember I saw an update of them about how they succeed to make it. Certainly hard time ^ ^ I hope he found my blog post about it.
@darkbeth hopefully we have to worry about that only a few years until independent engines become usable. #Verso and #Ladybird are candidates if #mozilla codebase rots. GNOME Web / #epiphany is another browser that has an engine not depending on Google (Apple webkit engine though, but at it it will be a real competition and even though they are bad to their own usets, they are not as powerful on the web like Google).
LibreWolf is just a layer of community reviewing in case Mozilla pushes something bad to their audience. My metaphor about the layer of ash on top of a fox works for this reason.
I also worry for the future of Firefox. I hope their executives will see larger community forming around forks, and it will make them find back their focus to privacy, and security. I'll be back to Firefox if they do that.
@praveen @darkbeth I mean this is one of the benefits of open source and free/libre software, is that it help users to have alternative in case the original went bad and have a voice to push back harmful changes.
@BluesHarp But Vivaldi is not free/libre and open source software... This is even not an option on my operating system as it is really impossible to know what Vivaldi dev are doing with your data.
@BluesHarp Unfortunately, what fork of Chromium do you recommend then? Brave is a shady crypto project run by a less than nice person, Chrome & Edge I hope I don't have to explain, and Opera? I really hope I don't have to go any further.
Also, when Mozilla eventually goes, so does Librewolf, Waterfox, and the rest. There's no way that the Firefox forks will be able to pick up the pieces in time.
Unfortunately, I am stuck on Vivaldi because it has PWAs and isn't going to die.
Ce projet LibreWolf semble sympathique mais pas compatible avec firefox syncs, ce qui est sans doute logique, mais sans alternative. Je teste également Floorp...
@yalle @ilumium Je n'ai pas testé LibreWolf, mais Waterfox a été l'alternative parfaite pour mon vieux laptop sous MX-Linux. Tout ce qui est synchro est natif, et en plus il tourne mieux que Firefox.
Zulo: La partie "vulnerabilities" ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfox… ) m'a refroidi lors de mes recherches, et j'ai trouver pas ouf leur business modèle basé sur les revenues de la vente de data pour les recherches.
LibreWolf sounds nice. unfortunately its only available in aur for archlinux, what means i have to build it local. and its veeeeeery big. i started it 90min ago and its still compiling...
I know there is also an alternative called @mullvadnet Mullvad Browser that has been co-developed with @torproject , i can't say wich of both browser is the best.
@stemy @mullvadnet @torproject Both Tor Browser and Mullvad Browser are more hardcore about privacy than Librewolf. They block Javascript by default with Noscript addon (you can enable it per-site or globally), use advanced techniques to limit fingerprinting and are designed to be used with their respective privacy networks (Mullvad VPN / Tor).
This may break a lot of websites and increase latency. If privacy is more important to you than ease of use, they are the best in class. Otherwise, Librewolf is a good compromise.
NoScript, the old Firefox extension? I stopped using it because I started seeing third-party ads and cookies on the #NoScript website. Switched to #uMatrix.
I wish uMatrix was still maintained. It is excellent.
@argv_minus_one @halibut @stemy @mullvadnet @torproject Hey Stemy, yes I had a look at this other alternative (and adopted an appimage of the Tor browser on the process). Mullvad also looks nice!
I may sometimes use open-source tools that I don't know who made them. But I don't feel comfortable using them for a browser. If it's a honeypot created by intelligence agencies or North Korean hackers, I have no idea. 😬
@veroandi It's a community fork. So, you have to meet their community. Scroll down the page to the "Core contributor" section. I see 8 profiles here. You can check their public activities on Codeberg, and follow links on their profile. You can also discuss with them on their Matrix chat room.
I've gone Waterfox and in just 1 day returned to Firefox because so many things just didn't work that did and still do in Firefox. Which is weird but still.
@rejzor Yes, changing web browser can be difficult. My first hours with LibreWolf was a real maze. I'm really lucky I could speak about my issue on the Pepper&Carrot matrix room and received assistance from a more experienced user.
I updated on their bug tracker the thread that I found with the information I needed, for future users in the same situation as me.
I've tried and used so many browser in my life, but at the moment I have a priority of not using anything Google and to not deal with issues and BS. Firefox fits that despite all the idiocies Mozilla is doing as I don't have the time and nerves anymore to deal with random issues forks have that Firefox doesn't. Like, literally the first news streaming site for news I use didn't work in Waterfox and does in Firefox. So, there's that.
Haha, shit! Luckily, I saw that they had librewolf-bin in AUR. That install went much faster! Writing this toot in LibreWolf with imported profile from Firefox.
I do not like what firefox mozilla is trying to do but. I like librewolf just... they can not enhance security by (in the past) delay the code for (weeks to) fixes. It is not good but sometimes takes days. We need to pull togeather and if librewolf fixed this i am fine to change..
@ibrahim_cris For sure, yes, this is something I want to see in the long run: how quick LibreWolf get patched and released to security vulnerabilities.
But so far, this was really educative: I now better understand many Firefox privacy options not activated by default and that I never knew of existence. If I go back to Firefox, I'll be a more advanced user knowing the settings and the about:config options.
@nekohayo Yes, I really like Gnome Web/Epiphany. I had also a look at the Plasma side, the Falkon browser.
And the more I think about my web browsing usage, the more I wonder why I want to keep all my browsing inside a single web browser.
Probably a habit I developed with the early web.
I might start to install more browsers and split up my web browsing habit depending on activities and the level of privacy and security I need for certain website.
@elgregor That's a good solution! My initiation to LibreWolf made me aware of many settings I never thought existing in Firefox (because suddenly all were turned on by default). It was really educative, and I'll probably benefit a lot of it if I'm going back to Firefox.
For those coming here in search of Firefox alternatives, I just want to point out zen-browser.app/ that is also a fork of Firefox though perhaps a more customised fork... Check it out if you are in the mood for trying a different layout from the default Firefox experience...
Zen Browser is built for speed, security, and true privacy. Download now to enjoy a beautifully-designed, distraction-free web experience packed with features.
@technikhil I just gave #Librewolf and #Zenbrowser a try. Both seem to work perfectly fine, and reimporting my date from #Firefox was easy (which seems logical since they're both based on Firefox). I'm not switching now though. I took a minute to check my Firefox settings and opt out from everything that seemed not to be data privacy friendly.
I'm wondering if those forks are actually viable if Firefox dies one day... So for now I'd rather not cut the branch I've been sitting on for 2 decades, wait and see.
I like the look of Zen browser though, looks like arc!
@louischance Yep, perfectly rational... I too have not (yet) given up on Firefox, I have just started compartmentalizing what I use it for. The Firefox sync allows me to still keep parity between the 2 browsers, though given the direction Mozilla is going I am probably going to delete that account quite soon. The similarity with Arc is what drew me to the Zen browser initially. I also like the amount of space it provides for the content in it's "compact mode" layout.
@marnic Totalement! C'est même pour ça que dans ma métaphore, je voulais vraiment montrer que le petit renard reste un renard , tant bien même recouvert de cendre. Ca ressemble donc plutôt a une "community curated edition" de Firefox, mais je crois que c'est ce que je cherche là. Je commence à me méfier de Mozilla. Ils dérapent trop souvent ces derniers temps, et ça c'est que la partie publique...
@marnic Oui 😁 Mais faudrait commencer cette fondation avec un sacré budget pour avoir déjà une grosse poignée de dev à plein temps dessus.
Je verrai bien la Wikipedia fondation dessus. Il me semble que leur trésorerie et leur moyen technique et leur familiarité avec le publique ferait que si ils entraient dans ce game, ça ferait un acteur de poids très rapidement.
tiens ben justement, il s'était passé quoi pour openoffice à l'époque ? j'avais suivi que de loin mais il a bien fallu passer la main à libreoffice à ce moment là aussi ? @marnic
@couscous @marnic Les premiers paragraphes "Histoire" de fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOff… te donneront une version bien plus détaillé que ce que j'avais en tête pour te répondre. 😆 C'était un sacré truc !
Long time LibreWolf user. I have recently installed "Floorp" on one of my machine, also a fork of Firefox. It has the added advantage of being non-US based (Japan). Seems good, but too early to be definitive.
@Fat_Farang Nice, that the first web browser suggestion in all the comments I received that I didn't know of existence. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floorp , very interesting. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for this. I had forgotten about LibreWolf and now is a great time to remember it again. I appreciate your introduction as well. It helps to know what I'm getting into and what I should warn others about before sending them to it.
Got rid of Chrome for Chromium I guess Firefox will have to be replaced with an alternative as well since they decided to follow in Google's footsteps.
Thank you, but don't worry, I'm making many errors too, and I'll keep doing them as I often experiment with many new things. I just hope I'll get comments helping me if I go accidentally on questionable territories and I'll have the brightness of mind to study them and readjust.
@prakasc For Waterfox, I read their webpage, and the Wikipedia page only. The chapter about vulnerabilities was enough for me to not get motivated to explore more. Also a business model based on search result. Meh. But cool name.
@DBG3D @Gonzalo I use only three or four extension here, one to skip sponsoring segment on Youtube, another one to auto-complete cookie, a css div box outliner, an extension also to get more info on pictures and be able to search by image. They all look like they work fine.
somehow, my #librewolf makes weird alignment in some sites... is there a way to make the text align left? It's not a big deal but it can be annoying sometimes
Il y aussi floorp, un "fork" également du renard. Pas d'avis définitif (en phase test) mais je n'ai pas eu le besoin de me plonger dans la doc et de soulever le capot pour l'intant. @Khrys
« Installing #LibreWolf on my Debian was surprisingly simple » Coucou 👋 Tu aurais un conseil pour jouir de cette facilité ? Je suis sur Ubuntu et je galère comme pas possible pour l'installer 😭
J'éspère que l’installation sera facile sous Ubuntu. Ici aucune idée de comment ça se passe sous les système 'buntu-based. Pour moi sous Debian 12 KDE avec la doc c'était vraiment trois lignes de commandes à copier/coller et c'était fait.
Pour comparaison: déloger le Firefox-ESR de Debian stable et le remplacer par la repo officielle de Firefox au moment de mon install avait été un processus plus complex.
yes, LibreWolf is a great fork of Firefox. I also use it (and I haven't used the “main” version of Firefox in a long time now), and it took a little configuring before being usable the way I wanted.
Its strong privacy defaults remind me somewhat of Firefox Focus on mobile devices.
@confusomu If LibreWolf is stripped of Mozilla services like Firefox Sync how do you sync stuff between your different devices? Extensions, bookmarks etc.
@confusomu @saphkey Yes, it took me time configuring it too. And I wiped more than three time the ~/.librewolf pref directory to start anew and be sure to reactive things I need only. It's very educative to all the many comfort I need that can compromise privacy/security of browsing website these days. Very, very educative.
@rony4102 Well, I visited their webpage and read their Wikipedia. But only checking they are still active on X was a red flag to me so far to get interested in.
Note that Lunduke's a horrible person, so this article of his is from a heavily biased anti-trans perspective, plus the article and his journal as a whole is from Rumble.
@pre Right. I was badly surprised to see my Firefox homepage receiving an unsolicited "Temu" shortcut icon recently. Especially after that framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/1133… ... 😔
Attaché : 1 image
Another bad derivative of my art:
- Reusing my Creative Commons artwork without attribution
- Putting it on top of AI gen
I wonder how they managed to sell 568 of them...
😤 Revolting.
Is it worth running LibreWolf without fingerprinting disabled? It's kind of a dealbreaker that it doesn't save zoom options on websites. At least I could handle having to run another browser to use Netflix...
@Yingwu That's exactly where I found it educative to have to be personally facing this dilemma and having to choose.
Here I decided to allow fingerprinting, because mainly I really like when a blog or website switch to dark mode automatically. Without that, all website were in light theme, and it felt very difficult to me to browse the web like that now...
Even though selecting the dark theme would give a whole 1 bit of fingerprinting, browsers that serve the users really allow optionally keeping dark themes even with fingerprinting resistance enabled.
Download Dark Background and Light Text for Firefox. Make every web page (or just the pages you want) display light text on dark backgrounds. All color variations are fully customizable.
@ferran4 @peterainbow Vivaldi is not free/libre and open source software and I would find that using a proprietary freeware as a web browser really dangerous nowadays for privacy and security. So, not sure any distribution will think it is a good idea (except a community edition of Manjaro who tried it but , well, it's Manjaro, not the distro most concerned about FLOSS, imo )
@fasnix Thank you! No idea for a Zen version, but it can be a good writing exercice if you want to spend time figuring out in a text pad. Feel free to share the result here if you have something fun!
je te suis et pas que pour la qualité de ton travail ! je vais l'installer de suite sur mon portable Frame.Work Fedora. Et pour ton mobile, tu as choisi quoi ?
@scaro Merci. Sur mobile jusque là c'était Firefox sur un Android dégooglisé... enfin au mieu possible car c'est quasi impossible de faire un 100%.
Mais là je teste la semaine prochaine iode.tech/ , c'est du lineageos.org/ mélangé avec de la revente de matos reconditionné. Je donnerai des news sur le blog si ça fait bien le taf, surtout si au niveau photo/video ça arrive à suivre. ☺️
alors je serai attentif à tes futures publications. Sur mon Fairphone avec Murena OS, je testerai le navigateur par défaut pour désinstaller dès que possible Firefox aussi. Iels verront vite la baisse de leur utilisation, sans doute lors des prochaines mises à jour...
ah mais c'est un OS complet... je cherchais juste un navigateur pour mon Fairphone qui tourne sous Murena OS... mais je suis curieux de lire ton retour d'expérience qd même. En commençant par le navigateur inclus 😉
You won't be pampered with a one-click installation for all. Instead, you'll need to take the time to review the documentation and set up the security and privacy features that you're willing to trade off for comfort and convenience.
Yeah, ouch, thats not going to sell with the Plebs, and limit buy-in from them, and market share.
They really should try to fix that, and not just hand wave it away as a problem.
Market share is the lifeblood of the browser wars.
@CosmicCleric "[...] not going to sell with the Plebs"
😆 I don't think LibreWolf has view for market share and plebs. As far as I know it's a community initiative, not a company. Yes, it require time to install and setup, and understand the implication of what security and privacy setting one decide to lower. But I'm happy I took this time, I feel I understand even more how the web of 2025 is broken and how web browser interacts with it to try to ease the experience.
@CosmicCleric I mean I don't hate for-profit companies that much unless they have done questionable/nefarious things repeatedly; but I really don't like for-profit companies hiding behind non-profits/benefit corporations/co-ops especially to do questionable things.
@pq1r oh oh, interesting for the symlink! Thank you for sharing. A dual workflow with keeping Firefox for my trusted websites and all search and random web browsing in Librewolf to not get tracked sounds like a possibility I haven't studied. I'll consider this, now.
@Heather That's a good recommendation, it was high on my list (and I love how fresh the vertical tab design is on it 😍 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_Brow… )
In a post-truth era, what companies state worth unfortunately nothing to me, personally. Only legal documents like a license can protect us as a end user.
At least they state: "We don't want your data and we don't care how you use our browser."
Mike Kuketz (Data Security Specialist) did an analysis of most browsers and Vivaldi opens nearly no connections to their servers (except e.g. to check for updates).
Still, it's based on Chromium ... so I guess we can only trust them.
I've been using LibreWolf for several years. I usually use different browsers for different tasks and for general privacy and security if I'm not using Tor it's my browser of choice.
Note that if you are concerning about security, you may want to enable Google Safe Browsing as well (I know this is from Google, but implementation from Mozilla is making sense and even Librewolf devs are considering enabling it if it wasn't for user self-compiling issues). I'm a CS student myself but I don't think I'm that savvy for checking every site I go though.
Erik Uden 🍑
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in reply to David Revoy • • •🤯Matera the Mad🤯
in reply to David Revoy • • •I'm hooked on the Wolf, been using it for over a year.
Once in a while I use furryfox for some fussy-ass site that I have to do one thing on once in a blueish moon.
David Revoy
in reply to 🤯Matera the Mad🤯 • • •Catchy name.
Yes, I'll keep my Firefox too in background. Right now mainly to compare when I have an issue with LibreWolf, and also to test my blog and peppercarrot website. 😉
🤯Matera the Mad🤯
in reply to David Revoy • • •LOL Yeah, I get too cute sometimes.
It's good to have a few different browsers for website testing. I have an assortment of different browser profiles too. I use dedicated profiles mostly to keep Gahoogle and Zuckland noses out of my business.
ohfp
in reply to David Revoy • • •🤯Matera the Mad🤯
in reply to ohfp • • •@ohfp
Reminds me of:
What is a werewolf's favorite salad herb?
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Aroooo-gula
Simon Zerafa
in reply to David Revoy • • •@protonprivacy also flounced off Mastodon after they received well deserved criticism.
Is @mozillaofficial doing the same? 🫤🤷♂️
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David Revoy
in reply to Simon Zerafa • • •@simonzerafa @protonprivacy @mozillaofficial I'm not sure how official the account you linked here is, the branding feels off and it's not really noted in the bio this is their official new account.
Before December, Mozilla had their instance, and decided to remove it ( src. techcrunch.com/2024/09/17/mozi… )
Proton also really manage their PR like rotten potatoes imo ( theintercept.com/2025/01/28/pr… )
... both company also abuse marketing bs wording and praise AI. Not surprising they are criticized here.
Proton Mail Says It’s “Politically Neutral” While Praising Republican Party
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JesseTong
in reply to David Revoy • • •mray
in reply to David Revoy • • •Thank you! Putting the Firefox dilemma in pictures makes it less academic and more approachable issue. I hope many people realize how empowering it is to use free software that can be replaced easily.
It is not always so easy:
video.1146.nohost.me/w/ij3qHTr…
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Thank you! Putting the Firefox dilemma in pictures makes it less academic and more approachable issue. I hope many people realize how empowering it is to use free software that can be replaced easily.
It is not always so easy:
video.1146.nohost.me/w/ij3qHTr…
lps
2025-02-12 04:09:50
David Revoy
in reply to mray • • •@mray Thanks! Oh yes it's not easy to find the time and do a change and walk the path of frustration of changing habit and studying settings.
Thanks for the video, I'm already subscribed to this animator artist, James Lee.
He recently announced moving to GNU/Linux. It's not the best period to do this for artists, with Wayland, all container war etc...I don't remember I saw an update of them about how they succeed to make it. Certainly hard time ^ ^ I hope he found my blog post about it.
Elizabeth
in reply to David Revoy • • •Excellent art, as always.
I switched this week too. It was very simple on Linux Mint, but I worry about the future of the Firefox code base.
Pirate Praveen
in reply to Elizabeth • • •David Revoy
in reply to Pirate Praveen • • •@praveen @darkbeth Thank you Elizabeth.
LibreWolf is just a layer of community reviewing in case Mozilla pushes something bad to their audience. My metaphor about the layer of ash on top of a fox works for this reason.
I also worry for the future of Firefox. I hope their executives will see larger community forming around forks, and it will make them find back their focus to privacy, and security. I'll be back to Firefox if they do that.
JesseTong
in reply to David Revoy • • •gargle
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Mad Dog Ace Run
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Mad Dog Ace Run • • •clacke: exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 likes this.
cameronbosch
in reply to David Revoy • • •@BluesHarp Unfortunately, what fork of Chromium do you recommend then? Brave is a shady crypto project run by a less than nice person, Chrome & Edge I hope I don't have to explain, and Opera? I really hope I don't have to go any further.
Also, when Mozilla eventually goes, so does Librewolf, Waterfox, and the rest. There's no way that the Firefox forks will be able to pick up the pieces in time.
Unfortunately, I am stuck on Vivaldi because it has PWAs and isn't going to die.
yalle
in reply to David Revoy • • •Je teste également Floorp...
Jan Penfrat
in reply to yalle • • •yalle
in reply to Jan Penfrat • • •J'trouve pas !
Jan Penfrat
in reply to yalle • • •LibreWolf Browser
librewolf.netZulo
in reply to yalle • • •David Revoy
in reply to Zulo • • •@zulo @yalle @ilumium Yalle: librewolf.net/docs/settings/#e… pour l'avoir en permanent (ou dans about:config , identity.fxaccounts.enabled to true )
Zulo: La partie "vulnerabilities" ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfox… ) m'a refroidi lors de mes recherches, et j'ai trouver pas ouf leur business modèle basé sur les revenues de la vente de data pour les recherches.
LibreWolf Browser
librewolf.netZulo
in reply to David Revoy • • •Unix Cæsar
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in reply to David Revoy • • •categulario 🐍 🦀 🦎 🇵🇸
in reply to jailandrade • • •Mr. Vonstauf
in reply to David Revoy • • •Daniel Casanueva
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Joe
in reply to David Revoy • • •unfortunately its only available in aur for archlinux, what means i have to build it local. and its veeeeeery big. i started it 90min ago and its still compiling...
Adam Honse
in reply to Joe • • •Stemy
in reply to David Revoy • • •Halibut 🐟
in reply to Stemy • • •@stemy @mullvadnet @torproject Both Tor Browser and Mullvad Browser are more hardcore about privacy than Librewolf. They block Javascript by default with Noscript addon (you can enable it per-site or globally), use advanced techniques to limit fingerprinting and are designed to be used with their respective privacy networks (Mullvad VPN / Tor).
This may break a lot of websites and increase latency. If privacy is more important to you than ease of use, they are the best in class. Otherwise, Librewolf is a good compromise.
argv minus one
in reply to Halibut 🐟 • • •NoScript, the old Firefox extension? I stopped using it because I started seeing third-party ads and cookies on the #NoScript website. Switched to #uMatrix.
I wish uMatrix was still maintained. It is excellent.
@stemy @davidrevoy @mullvadnet @torproject
David Revoy
in reply to argv minus one • • •Ondine
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Ondine • • •LibreWolf Browser
librewolf.netOndine
in reply to David Revoy • • •I did but there are no names there. 🙁
I may sometimes use open-source tools that I don't know who made them. But I don't feel comfortable using them for a browser. If it's a honeypot created by intelligence agencies or North Korean hackers, I have no idea. 😬
David Revoy
in reply to Ondine • • •You can check their public activities on Codeberg, and follow links on their profile. You can also discuss with them on their Matrix chat room.
RejZoR
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to RejZoR • • •@rejzor Yes, changing web browser can be difficult. My first hours with LibreWolf was a real maze.
I'm really lucky I could speak about my issue on the Pepper&Carrot matrix room and received assistance from a more experienced user.
I updated on their bug tracker the thread that I found with the information I needed, for future users in the same situation as me.
RejZoR
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to RejZoR • • •Airikr
in reply to David Revoy • • •Bob
in reply to Airikr • • •Could be worse: could be gentoo and you'd be recompiling from source 😅
Airikr
in reply to Bob • • •librewolf-bin
in AUR. That install went much faster! Writing this toot in LibreWolf with imported profile from Firefox.nickelson
in reply to Airikr • • •David Revoy
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in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Christian • • •@ibrahim_cris For sure, yes, this is something I want to see in the long run: how quick LibreWolf get patched and released to security vulnerabilities.
But so far, this was really educative: I now better understand many Firefox privacy options not activated by default and that I never knew of existence. If I go back to Firefox, I'll be a more advanced user knowing the settings and the about:config options.
Petunientopf
in reply to David Revoy • • •Jeff Fortin T.
in reply to David Revoy • • •Might we worth mentioning Epiphany (WebKitGTK) in the article for those who may be satisfied with a simpler browser that is still not based on Blink
Playing DRMed content with it isn't really an option, though.
David Revoy
in reply to Jeff Fortin T. • • •@nekohayo Yes, I really like Gnome Web/Epiphany. I had also a look at the Plasma side, the Falkon browser.
And the more I think about my web browsing usage, the more I wonder why I want to keep all my browsing inside a single web browser.
Probably a habit I developed with the early web.
I might start to install more browsers and split up my web browsing habit depending on activities and the level of privacy and security I need for certain website.
elgregor
in reply to David Revoy • • •I still use Firefox, but I disabled sending any data to Mozilla.
Thanks for not contributing to Chromium monopoly. 😀
David Revoy
in reply to elgregor • • •technikhil
in reply to David Revoy • • •Zen Browser
Zen BrowserLouis
in reply to technikhil • • •@technikhil I just gave #Librewolf and #Zenbrowser a try. Both seem to work perfectly fine, and reimporting my date from #Firefox was easy (which seems logical since they're both based on Firefox).
I'm not switching now though. I took a minute to check my Firefox settings and opt out from everything that seemed not to be data privacy friendly.
I'm wondering if those forks are actually viable if Firefox dies one day... So for now I'd rather not cut the branch I've been sitting on for 2 decades, wait and see.
I like the look of Zen browser though, looks like arc!
technikhil
in reply to Louis • • •The similarity with Arc is what drew me to the Zen browser initially. I also like the amount of space it provides for the content in it's "compact mode" layout.
David Revoy
in reply to technikhil • • •@technikhil @louischance Yes, Zen Browser was on my list when I tested, beautiful interface and screenshot on their website.
> I'm wondering if those forks are actually viable if Firefox dies one day...
Louis: yes, this THE central real question about all these forks. I personally don't think any forks around could survive that.
Sayed | সাঈদ 🇧🇩
in reply to David Revoy • • •@technikhil @louischance
forks can survive if the maintainer team is 'for the people'. Look at "Jellyfin", a fork of " emby". Still surviving.
Vincent graphic
in reply to David Revoy • • •Greg
in reply to David Revoy • • •For me, it is, honestly, sad. I've been using Firefox since... it was Firebird. Twenty+ years.
Great art, as always!
Marnic
in reply to David Revoy • • •Mais le souci sera le même que Chrome au final, dépendre de l'évolution de FF pour le code principal.
David Revoy
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in reply to Marnic • • •@marnic Oui 😁 Mais faudrait commencer cette fondation avec un sacré budget pour avoir déjà une grosse poignée de dev à plein temps dessus.
Je verrai bien la Wikipedia fondation dessus. Il me semble que leur trésorerie et leur moyen technique et leur familiarité avec le publique ferait que si ils entraient dans ce game, ça ferait un acteur de poids très rapidement.
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David Revoy
in reply to Couscous • • •C'était un sacré truc !
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Contributeurs aux projets Wikimedia (Fondation Wikimedia, Inc.)Couscous
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Fat_Farang
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in reply to Fat_Farang • • •web browser based on Firefox
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in reply to Doubledado • • •I just hope I'll get comments helping me if I go accidentally on questionable territories and I'll have the brightness of mind to study them and readjust.
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in reply to David Revoy • • •The artwork and the alt text describing it are both poignant and touching.
I'm about to migrate from Firefox (which I've been using since it was Netscape 3.04) to Librewolf as well. It's nice to feel welcomed.
Gonzalo
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in reply to David • • •notable person
in reply to David Revoy • • •its working great!
CyborgNekoSica || Comms Open
in reply to David Revoy • • •It's not a big deal but it can be annoying sometimes
Domi
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batiste carpinetty 🏳️⚧️ 🍉
in reply to David Revoy • • •Nico 📡🐧🕹️
in reply to batiste carpinetty 🏳️⚧️ 🍉 • • •Je te conseillerais de passer par flatpak/Flathub.
flathub.org/setup/Ubuntu
flathub.org/apps/io.gitlab.lib…
Install LibreWolf on Linux | Flathub
Flathubbatiste carpinetty 🏳️⚧️ 🍉
in reply to Nico 📡🐧🕹️ • • •@nicolagaffe Merci, je vais essayer par là : celui que j'ai téléchargéi via le site de #librewolf ne voulait pas s'installer 😶
@davidrevoy
David Revoy
in reply to batiste carpinetty 🏳️⚧️ 🍉 • • •J'éspère que l’installation sera facile sous Ubuntu. Ici aucune idée de comment ça se passe sous les système 'buntu-based. Pour moi sous Debian 12 KDE avec la doc c'était vraiment trois lignes de commandes à copier/coller et c'était fait.
Pour comparaison: déloger le Firefox-ESR de Debian stable et le remplacer par la repo officielle de Firefox au moment de mon install avait été un processus plus complex.
gargle
in reply to batiste carpinetty 🏳️⚧️ 🍉 • • •@batistecarpinetty librewolf.net/installation/deb… a marché pour moi, mais je suis debian, pas ubuntu:
sudo apt update && sudo apt install extrepo -y
sudo extrepo enable librewolf
sudo apt update && sudo apt install librewolf -y
LibreWolf Browser
librewolf.nettwilight sparkle (manièra ivernala)
in reply to David Revoy • • •yes, LibreWolf is a great fork of Firefox. I also use it (and I haven't used the “main” version of Firefox in a long time now), and it took a little configuring before being usable the way I wanted.
Its strong privacy defaults remind me somewhat of Firefox Focus on mobile devices.
Saphkey 🕊️
in reply to twilight sparkle (manièra ivernala) • • •how do you sync stuff between your different devices? Extensions, bookmarks etc.
twilight sparkle (manièra ivernala)
in reply to Saphkey 🕊️ • • •David Revoy
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in reply to David Revoy • • •@rony4102 isn't ladybird's main dev crazy about pronouns and wokism or smth?
tbh im more interested in servo
AlexTECPlayz
in reply to sarah tonin • • •@SRAZKVT @rony4102 And of course, Lunduke made a post about it, Ladybird getting attacked by "unhinged, dishonest activists"
lunduke.locals.com/post/582366…
Note that Lunduke's a horrible person, so this article of his is from a heavily biased anti-trans perspective, plus the article and his journal as a whole is from Rumble.
David Revoy
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FramapiafYingwu
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Yingwu • • •@Yingwu That's exactly where I found it educative to have to be personally facing this dilemma and having to choose.
Here I decided to allow fingerprinting, because mainly I really like when a blog or website switch to dark mode automatically. Without that, all website were in light theme, and it felt very difficult to me to browse the web like that now...
翠星石
in reply to David Revoy • • •Even though selecting the dark theme would give a whole 1 bit of fingerprinting, browsers that serve the users really allow optionally keeping dark themes even with fingerprinting resistance enabled.
There is one extension that will set a dark theme regardless min you; addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firef…
Dark Background and Light Text – Get this Extension for 🦊 Firefox (en-US)
addons.mozilla.orgDavid Revoy
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Unknown parent • • •David Revoy
Unknown parent • • •So, not sure any distribution will think it is a good idea (except a community edition of Manjaro who tried it but ,
Ferran
Unknown parent • • •I think I'm gonna give Vivaldi a chance. Looks good and I guess that we could see it soon as the default browsers in some distros.
flo
in reply to David Revoy • • •Would also like to see one cartoon with Firefox becoming Zen(fox), how that would work out? 😀
David Revoy
in reply to flo • • •No idea for a Zen version, but it can be a good writing exercice if you want to spend time figuring out in a text pad. Feel free to share the result here if you have something fun!
Ludovic :Firefox: :FreeBSD:
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in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to scaro • • •@scaro Merci. Sur mobile jusque là c'était Firefox sur un Android dégooglisé... enfin au mieu possible car c'est quasi impossible de faire un 100%.
Mais là je teste la semaine prochaine iode.tech/ , c'est du lineageos.org/ mélangé avec de la revente de matos reconditionné. Je donnerai des news sur le blog si ça fait bien le taf, surtout si au niveau photo/video ça arrive à suivre. ☺️
Take back control of your data. - iodé
iodéscaro
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Cosmic Cleric
in reply to David Revoy • • •From the blog post...
Yeah, ouch, thats not going to sell with the Plebs, and limit buy-in from them, and market share.
They really should try to fix that, and not just hand wave it away as a problem.
Market share is the lifeblood of the browser wars.
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in reply to Cosmic Cleric • • •@CosmicCleric "[...] not going to sell with the Plebs"
😆 I don't think LibreWolf has view for market share and plebs. As far as I know it's a community initiative, not a company. Yes, it require time to install and setup, and understand the implication of what security and privacy setting one decide to lower. But I'm happy I took this time, I feel I understand even more how the web of 2025 is broken and how web browser interacts with it to try to ease the experience.
JesseTong
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in reply to 翠星石 • • •Arik
in reply to David Revoy • • •I've gone through this process myself today. I have some comments not found in your blog post:
~/.mozilla/firefox
to~/.librewolf
works.David Revoy
in reply to Arik • • •James Heather
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in reply to James Heather • • •web browser based on Mozilla Firefox
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)David Revoy
Unknown parent • • •@fasnix @peterainbow @ferran4 I'm glad they state that, and yes, you have to "trust" them.
In a post-truth era, what companies state worth unfortunately nothing to me, personally. Only legal documents like a license can protect us as a end user.
flo
in reply to David Revoy • • •At least they state:
"We don't want your data and we don't care how you use our browser."
Mike Kuketz (Data Security Specialist) did an analysis of most browsers and Vivaldi opens nearly no connections to their servers (except e.g. to check for updates).
Still, it's based on Chromium ... so I guess we can only trust them.
@ferran4@peterainbow
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