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How my Firefox became a LibreWolf
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How my Firefox became a LibreWolf
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Erik Uden 🍑
in reply to David Revoy • • •ElectroFetish
in reply to David Revoy • • •🤯Matera the Mad🤯
in reply to David Revoy • • •I'm hooked on the Wolf, been using it for over a year.
Once in a while I use furryfox for some fussy-ass site that I have to do one thing on once in a blueish moon.
David Revoy
in reply to 🤯Matera the Mad🤯 • • •Catchy name.
Yes, I'll keep my Firefox too in background. Right now mainly to compare when I have an issue with LibreWolf, and also to test my blog and peppercarrot website. 😉
🤯Matera the Mad🤯
in reply to David Revoy • • •LOL Yeah, I get too cute sometimes.
It's good to have a few different browsers for website testing. I have an assortment of different browser profiles too. I use dedicated profiles mostly to keep Gahoogle and Zuckland noses out of my business.
Simon Zerafa (Status: 😊)
in reply to David Revoy • • •@protonprivacy also flounced off Mastodon after they received well deserved criticism.
Is @mozillaofficial doing the same? 🫤🤷♂️
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David Revoy
in reply to Simon Zerafa (Status: 😊) • • •@simonzerafa @protonprivacy @mozillaofficial I'm not sure how official the account you linked here is, the branding feels off and it's not really noted in the bio this is their official new account.
Before December, Mozilla had their instance, and decided to remove it ( src. techcrunch.com/2024/09/17/mozi… )
Proton also really manage their PR like rotten potatoes imo ( theintercept.com/2025/01/28/pr… )
... both company also abuse marketing bs wording and praise AI. Not surprising they are criticized here.
Proton Mail Says It’s “Politically Neutral” While Praising Republican Party
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JesseTong
in reply to David Revoy • • •mray
in reply to David Revoy • • •Thank you! Putting the Firefox dilemma in pictures makes it less academic and more approachable issue. I hope many people realize how empowering it is to use free software that can be replaced easily.
It is not always so easy:
video.1146.nohost.me/w/ij3qHTr…
macOS theme on Linux Mint Cinnamon or Xfce - Tutorial for beginners
Linux Ort (YouTube)lps
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Thank you! Putting the Firefox dilemma in pictures makes it less academic and more approachable issue. I hope many people realize how empowering it is to use free software that can be replaced easily.
It is not always so easy:
video.1146.nohost.me/w/ij3qHTr…
lps
2025-02-12 04:09:50
David Revoy
in reply to mray • • •@mray Thanks! Oh yes it's not easy to find the time and do a change and walk the path of frustration of changing habit and studying settings.
Thanks for the video, I'm already subscribed to this animator artist, James Lee.
He recently announced moving to GNU/Linux. It's not the best period to do this for artists, with Wayland, all container war etc...I don't remember I saw an update of them about how they succeed to make it. Certainly hard time ^ ^ I hope he found my blog post about it.
gargle
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Mad Dog Ace Run
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Mad Dog Ace Run • • •clacke: exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 likes this.
cameronbosch
in reply to David Revoy • • •@BluesHarp Unfortunately, what fork of Chromium do you recommend then? Brave is a shady crypto project run by a less than nice person, Chrome & Edge I hope I don't have to explain, and Opera? I really hope I don't have to go any further.
Also, when Mozilla eventually goes, so does Librewolf, Waterfox, and the rest. There's no way that the Firefox forks will be able to pick up the pieces in time.
Unfortunately, I am stuck on Vivaldi because it has PWAs and isn't going to die.
Unix Cæsar
in reply to David Revoy • • •jailandrade
in reply to David Revoy • • •categulario 🐍 🦀 🦎 🇵🇸
in reply to jailandrade • • •Daniel Casanueva
in reply to David Revoy • • •Jan Penfrat
Unknown parent • • •RejZoR
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to RejZoR • • •@rejzor Yes, changing web browser can be difficult. My first hours with LibreWolf was a real maze.
I'm really lucky I could speak about my issue on the Pepper&Carrot matrix room and received assistance from a more experienced user.
I updated on their bug tracker the thread that I found with the information I needed, for future users in the same situation as me.
RejZoR
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to RejZoR • • •Airikr
in reply to David Revoy • • •Christian
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Christian • • •@ibrahim_cris For sure, yes, this is something I want to see in the long run: how quick LibreWolf get patched and released to security vulnerabilities.
But so far, this was really educative: I now better understand many Firefox privacy options not activated by default and that I never knew of existence. If I go back to Firefox, I'll be a more advanced user knowing the settings and the about:config options.
Petunientopf
in reply to David Revoy • • •Jeff Fortin T. (風の庭園のNekohayo)
in reply to David Revoy • • •Might we worth mentioning Epiphany (WebKitGTK) in the article for those who may be satisfied with a simpler browser that is still not based on Blink
Playing DRMed content with it isn't really an option, though.
David Revoy
in reply to Jeff Fortin T. (風の庭園のNekohayo) • • •@nekohayo Yes, I really like Gnome Web/Epiphany. I had also a look at the Plasma side, the Falkon browser.
And the more I think about my web browsing usage, the more I wonder why I want to keep all my browsing inside a single web browser.
Probably a habit I developed with the early web.
I might start to install more browsers and split up my web browsing habit depending on activities and the level of privacy and security I need for certain website.
elgregor
in reply to David Revoy • • •I still use Firefox, but I disabled sending any data to Mozilla.
Thanks for not contributing to Chromium monopoly. 😀
David Revoy
in reply to elgregor • • •technikhil
in reply to David Revoy • • •Zen Browser
Zen BrowserLouis
in reply to technikhil • • •@technikhil I just gave #Librewolf and #Zenbrowser a try. Both seem to work perfectly fine, and reimporting my date from #Firefox was easy (which seems logical since they're both based on Firefox).
I'm not switching now though. I took a minute to check my Firefox settings and opt out from everything that seemed not to be data privacy friendly.
I'm wondering if those forks are actually viable if Firefox dies one day... So for now I'd rather not cut the branch I've been sitting on for 2 decades, wait and see.
I like the look of Zen browser though, looks like arc!
technikhil
in reply to Louis • • •The similarity with Arc is what drew me to the Zen browser initially. I also like the amount of space it provides for the content in it's "compact mode" layout.
David Revoy
in reply to technikhil • • •@technikhil @louischance Yes, Zen Browser was on my list when I tested, beautiful interface and screenshot on their website.
> I'm wondering if those forks are actually viable if Firefox dies one day...
Louis: yes, this THE central real question about all these forks. I personally don't think any forks around could survive that.
Sayed | সাঈদ 🇧🇩
in reply to David Revoy • • •@technikhil @louischance
forks can survive if the maintainer team is 'for the people'. Look at "Jellyfin", a fork of " emby". Still surviving.
Greg
in reply to David Revoy • • •For me, it is, honestly, sad. I've been using Firefox since... it was Firebird. Twenty+ years.
Great art, as always!
Marnic
in reply to David Revoy • • •Mais le souci sera le même que Chrome au final, dépendre de l'évolution de FF pour le code principal.
David Revoy
in reply to Marnic • • •Marnic
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Marnic • • •@marnic Oui 😁 Mais faudrait commencer cette fondation avec un sacré budget pour avoir déjà une grosse poignée de dev à plein temps dessus.
Je verrai bien la Wikipedia fondation dessus. Il me semble que leur trésorerie et leur moyen technique et leur familiarité avec le publique ferait que si ils entraient dans ce game, ça ferait un acteur de poids très rapidement.
Couscous
in reply to David Revoy • • •@marnic
David Revoy
in reply to Couscous • • •C'était un sacré truc !
suite bureautique soutenue par la communauté du logiciel libre
Contributeurs aux projets Wikimedia (Fondation Wikimedia, Inc.)Couscous
in reply to David Revoy • • •@marnic
Adam Honse
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Jennifer Em likes this.
Doubledado
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Doubledado • • •I just hope I'll get comments helping me if I go accidentally on questionable territories and I'll have the brightness of mind to study them and readjust.
vampirdaddy
in reply to David Revoy • • •🤭
Prakash C
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Prakash C • • •Kagan MacTane (he/him)
in reply to David Revoy • • •The artwork and the alt text describing it are both poignant and touching.
I'm about to migrate from Firefox (which I've been using since it was Netscape 3.04) to Librewolf as well. It's nice to feel welcomed.
notable person
in reply to David Revoy • • •its working great!
CyborgNekoSica || Comms Open
in reply to David Revoy • • •somehow, my #librewolf makes weird alignment in some sites... is there a way to make the text align left?
It's not a big deal but it can be annoying sometimes
Jan Penfrat
Unknown parent • • •LibreWolf Browser
librewolf.netbatiste carpinetty 🏳️⚧️ 🍉
in reply to David Revoy • • •NicoLagaffe
in reply to batiste carpinetty 🏳️⚧️ 🍉 • • •Je te conseillerais de passer par flatpak/Flathub.
flathub.org/setup/Ubuntu
flathub.org/apps/io.gitlab.lib…
Install LibreWolf on Linux | Flathub
Flathubbatiste carpinetty 🏳️⚧️ 🍉
in reply to NicoLagaffe • • •@nicolagaffe Merci, je vais essayer par là : celui que j'ai téléchargéi via le site de #librewolf ne voulait pas s'installer 😶
@davidrevoy
David Revoy
in reply to batiste carpinetty 🏳️⚧️ 🍉 • • •J'éspère que l’installation sera facile sous Ubuntu. Ici aucune idée de comment ça se passe sous les système 'buntu-based. Pour moi sous Debian 12 KDE avec la doc c'était vraiment trois lignes de commandes à copier/coller et c'était fait.
Pour comparaison: déloger le Firefox-ESR de Debian stable et le remplacer par la repo officielle de Firefox au moment de mon install avait été un processus plus complex.
gargle
in reply to batiste carpinetty 🏳️⚧️ 🍉 • • •@batistecarpinetty librewolf.net/installation/deb… a marché pour moi, mais je suis debian, pas ubuntu:
sudo apt update && sudo apt install extrepo -y
sudo extrepo enable librewolf
sudo apt update && sudo apt install librewolf -y
LibreWolf Browser
librewolf.nettwilight
in reply to David Revoy • • •yes, LibreWolf is a great fork of Firefox. I also use it (and I haven't used the “main” version of Firefox in a long time now), and it took a little configuring before being usable the way I wanted.
Its strong privacy defaults remind me somewhat of Firefox Focus on mobile devices.
Saphkey 🕊️
in reply to twilight • • •how do you sync stuff between your different devices? Extensions, bookmarks etc.
twilight
in reply to Saphkey 🕊️ • • •David Revoy
in reply to twilight • • •David Revoy
Unknown parent • • •Pointlessgiraffe
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Pointlessgiraffe • • •sarah tonin
in reply to David Revoy • • •@rony4102 isn't ladybird's main dev crazy about pronouns and wokism or smth?
tbh im more interested in servo
AlexTECPlayz
in reply to sarah tonin • • •@SRAZKVT @rony4102 And of course, Lunduke made a post about it, Ladybird getting attacked by "unhinged, dishonest activists"
lunduke.locals.com/post/582366…
Note that Lunduke's a horrible person, so this article of his is from a heavily biased anti-trans perspective, plus the article and his journal as a whole is from Rumble.
David Revoy
in reply to AlexTECPlayz • • •David Revoy
Unknown parent • • •@praveen @darkbeth Thank you Elizabeth.
LibreWolf is just a layer of community reviewing in case Mozilla pushes something bad to their audience. My metaphor about the layer of ash on top of a fox works for this reason.
I also worry for the future of Firefox. I hope their executives will see larger community forming around forks, and it will make them find back their focus to privacy, and security. I'll be back to Firefox if they do that.
Pirate Praveen
Unknown parent • • •David Revoy
Unknown parent • • •@zulo @yalle @ilumium Yalle: librewolf.net/docs/settings/#e… pour l'avoir en permanent (ou dans about:config , identity.fxaccounts.enabled to true )
Zulo: La partie "vulnerabilities" ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfox… ) m'a refroidi lors de mes recherches, et j'ai trouver pas ouf leur business modèle basé sur les revenues de la vente de data pour les recherches.
LibreWolf Browser
librewolf.netZulo
Unknown parent • • •Adam Dalliance
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Adam Dalliance • • •David Revoy (@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org)
FramapiafYingwu
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Yingwu • • •@Yingwu That's exactly where I found it educative to have to be personally facing this dilemma and having to choose.
Here I decided to allow fingerprinting, because mainly I really like when a blog or website switch to dark mode automatically. Without that, all website were in light theme, and it felt very difficult to me to browse the web like that now...
GNU/翠星石
in reply to David Revoy • • •Even though selecting the dark theme would give a whole 1 bit of fingerprinting, browsers that serve the users really allow optionally keeping dark themes even with fingerprinting resistance enabled.
There is one extension that will set a dark theme regardless min you; addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firef…
Dark Background and Light Text – Get this Extension for 🦊 Firefox (en-US)
addons.mozilla.orgDavid Revoy
in reply to GNU/翠星石 • • •JesseTong
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
Unknown parent • • •David Revoy
Unknown parent • • •nickelson
Unknown parent • • •@edgren @positivedinosaur That's why I love #MXLinux - everything is just a click away 🤓
David Revoy
Unknown parent • • •So, not sure any distribution will think it is a good idea (except a community edition of Manjaro who tried it but ,
Ferran
Unknown parent • • •I think I'm gonna give Vivaldi a chance. Looks good and I guess that we could see it soon as the default browsers in some distros.
flo
in reply to David Revoy • • •Would also like to see one cartoon with Firefox becoming Zen(fox), how that would work out? 😀
David Revoy
in reply to flo • • •No idea for a Zen version, but it can be a good writing exercice if you want to spend time figuring out in a text pad. Feel free to share the result here if you have something fun!
Ludovic :Firefox: :FreeBSD:
in reply to David Revoy • • •Zulo
in reply to David Revoy • • •scaro
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to scaro • • •@scaro Merci. Sur mobile jusque là c'était Firefox sur un Android dégooglisé... enfin au mieu possible car c'est quasi impossible de faire un 100%.
Mais là je teste la semaine prochaine iode.tech/ , c'est du lineageos.org/ mélangé avec de la revente de matos reconditionné. Je donnerai des news sur le blog si ça fait bien le taf, surtout si au niveau photo/video ça arrive à suivre. ☺️
Take back control of your data. - iodé
iodéscaro
in reply to David Revoy • • •scaro
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
Unknown parent • • •LibreWolf Browser
librewolf.netCosmic Cleric
in reply to David Revoy • • •From the blog post...
Yeah, ouch, thats not going to sell with the Plebs, and limit buy-in from them, and market share.
They really should try to fix that, and not just hand wave it away as a problem.
Market share is the lifeblood of the browser wars.
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in reply to Cosmic Cleric • • •@CosmicCleric "[...] not going to sell with the Plebs"
😆 I don't think LibreWolf has view for market share and plebs. As far as I know it's a community initiative, not a company. Yes, it require time to install and setup, and understand the implication of what security and privacy setting one decide to lower. But I'm happy I took this time, I feel I understand even more how the web of 2025 is broken and how web browser interacts with it to try to ease the experience.
JesseTong
in reply to David Revoy • • •SuperDicq
in reply to David Revoy • • •GNU/翠星石
in reply to SuperDicq • • •@davidrevoy
David Revoy
in reply to GNU/翠星石 • • •Arik
in reply to David Revoy • • •I've gone through this process myself today. I have some comments not found in your blog post:
~/.mozilla/firefoxto~/.librewolfworks.David Revoy
in reply to Arik • • •David Revoy
Unknown parent • • •web browser based on Firefox
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)James Heather
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to James Heather • • •web browser based on Mozilla Firefox
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)David Revoy
Unknown parent • • •David
Unknown parent • • •David Revoy
Unknown parent • • •@fasnix @peterainbow @ferran4 I'm glad they state that, and yes, you have to "trust" them.
In a post-truth era, what companies state worth unfortunately nothing to me, personally. Only legal documents like a license can protect us as a end user.
flo
in reply to David Revoy • • •At least they state:
"We don't want your data and we don't care how you use our browser."
Mike Kuketz (Data Security Specialist) did an analysis of most browsers and Vivaldi opens nearly no connections to their servers (except e.g. to check for updates).
Still, it's based on Chromium ... so I guess we can only trust them.
@ferran4@peterainbow
David Revoy
Unknown parent • • •You can check their public activities on Codeberg, and follow links on their profile. You can also discuss with them on their Matrix chat room.
JesseTong
in reply to David Revoy • • •JesseTong
in reply to David Revoy • • •JesseTong
in reply to David Revoy • • •🤯Matera the Mad🤯
Unknown parent • • •@ohfp
Reminds me of:
What is a werewolf's favorite salad herb?
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Aroooo-gula