in reply to Simon Zerafa (Status: 😷🧑‍⚕️🌈)

@simonzerafa @protonprivacy @mozillaofficial I'm not sure how official the account you linked here is, the branding feels off and it's not really noted in the bio this is their official new account.

Before December, Mozilla had their instance, and decided to remove it ( src. techcrunch.com/2024/09/17/mozi… )

Proton also really manage their PR like rotten potatoes imo ( theintercept.com/2025/01/28/pr… )

... both company also abuse marketing bs wording and praise AI. Not surprising they are criticized here.

in reply to David Revoy

@simonzerafa @protonprivacy @mozillaofficial I mean something as simple like text-to-speech or OCR or machine translation models (like Google Translate/DeepL) can be considered "AI" technically. I'm a student and many courses involving creating our own models from scratch and many of my projects involving use models like tesseract-ocr, turtle-tts, YOLO, LLaMA,... for some tasks and this is painful for me as many outputs don't even make sense and I had to tweak a lot.
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in reply to mray

@mray Thanks! Oh yes it's not easy to find the time and do a change and walk the path of frustration of changing habit and studying settings.

Thanks for the video, I'm already subscribed to this animator artist, James Lee.

He recently announced moving to GNU/Linux. It's not the best period to do this for artists, with Wayland, all container war etc...I don't remember I saw an update of them about how they succeed to make it. Certainly hard time ^ ^ I hope he found my blog post about it.

@mray
in reply to David Revoy

@BluesHarp Unfortunately, what fork of Chromium do you recommend then? Brave is a shady crypto project run by a less than nice person, Chrome & Edge I hope I don't have to explain, and Opera? I really hope I don't have to go any further.

Also, when Mozilla eventually goes, so does Librewolf, Waterfox, and the rest. There's no way that the Firefox forks will be able to pick up the pieces in time.

Unfortunately, I am stuck on Vivaldi because it has PWAs and isn't going to die.

in reply to RejZoR

@rejzor Yes, changing web browser can be difficult. My first hours with LibreWolf was a real maze. :blob_sweat: I'm really lucky I could speak about my issue on the Pepper&Carrot matrix room and received assistance from a more experienced user.

I updated on their bug tracker the thread that I found with the information I needed, for future users in the same situation as me.

in reply to David Revoy

I've tried and used so many browser in my life, but at the moment I have a priority of not using anything Google and to not deal with issues and BS. Firefox fits that despite all the idiocies Mozilla is doing as I don't have the time and nerves anymore to deal with random issues forks have that Firefox doesn't. Like, literally the first news streaming site for news I use didn't work in Waterfox and does in Firefox. So, there's that.
in reply to Christian

@ibrahim_cris For sure, yes, this is something I want to see in the long run: how quick LibreWolf get patched and released to security vulnerabilities.

But so far, this was really educative: I now better understand many Firefox privacy options not activated by default and that I never knew of existence. If I go back to Firefox, I'll be a more advanced user knowing the settings and the about:config options.

in reply to Jeff Fortin T. (風の庭園のNekohayo)

@nekohayo Yes, I really like Gnome Web/Epiphany. I had also a look at the Plasma side, the Falkon browser.

And the more I think about my web browsing usage, the more I wonder why I want to keep all my browsing inside a single web browser.

Probably a habit I developed with the early web.

I might start to install more browsers and split up my web browsing habit depending on activities and the level of privacy and security I need for certain website.

in reply to David Revoy

For those coming here in search of Firefox alternatives, I just want to point out zen-browser.app/ that is also a fork of Firefox though perhaps a more customised fork... Check it out if you are in the mood for trying a different layout from the default Firefox experience...
in reply to technikhil

@technikhil I just gave #Librewolf and #Zenbrowser a try. Both seem to work perfectly fine, and reimporting my date from #Firefox was easy (which seems logical since they're both based on Firefox).
I'm not switching now though. I took a minute to check my Firefox settings and opt out from everything that seemed not to be data privacy friendly.

I'm wondering if those forks are actually viable if Firefox dies one day... So for now I'd rather not cut the branch I've been sitting on for 2 decades, wait and see.

I like the look of Zen browser though, looks like arc!

in reply to Louis

@louischance Yep, perfectly rational... I too have not (yet) given up on Firefox, I have just started compartmentalizing what I use it for. The Firefox sync allows me to still keep parity between the 2 browsers, though given the direction Mozilla is going I am probably going to delete that account quite soon.
The similarity with Arc is what drew me to the Zen browser initially. I also like the amount of space it provides for the content in it's "compact mode" layout.
in reply to Marnic

@marnic Totalement! C'est même pour ça que dans ma métaphore, je voulais vraiment montrer que le petit renard reste un renard , tant bien même recouvert de cendre. Ca ressemble donc plutôt a une "community curated edition" de Firefox, mais je crois que c'est ce que je cherche là. Je commence à me méfier de Mozilla. Ils dérapent trop souvent ces derniers temps, et ça c'est que la partie publique...
in reply to Marnic

@marnic Oui 😁 Mais faudrait commencer cette fondation avec un sacré budget pour avoir déjà une grosse poignée de dev à plein temps dessus.

Je verrai bien la Wikipedia fondation dessus. Il me semble que leur trésorerie et leur moyen technique et leur familiarité avec le publique ferait que si ils entraient dans ce game, ça ferait un acteur de poids très rapidement.

in reply to batiste carpinetty 🏳️‍⚧️ 🍉

J'éspère que l’installation sera facile sous Ubuntu. Ici aucune idée de comment ça se passe sous les système 'buntu-based. Pour moi sous Debian 12 KDE avec la doc c'était vraiment trois lignes de commandes à copier/coller et c'était fait.

Pour comparaison: déloger le Firefox-ESR de Debian stable et le remplacer par la repo officielle de Firefox au moment de mon install avait été un processus plus complex.

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in reply to batiste carpinetty 🏳️‍⚧️ 🍉

@batistecarpinetty librewolf.net/installation/deb… a marché pour moi, mais je suis debian, pas ubuntu:

sudo apt update && sudo apt install extrepo -y
sudo extrepo enable librewolf
sudo apt update && sudo apt install librewolf -y

in reply to sarah tonin

@SRAZKVT @rony4102 And of course, Lunduke made a post about it, Ladybird getting attacked by "unhinged, dishonest activists"

lunduke.locals.com/post/582366…

Note that Lunduke's a horrible person, so this article of his is from a heavily biased anti-trans perspective, plus the article and his journal as a whole is from Rumble.

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David Revoy

@praveen @darkbeth Thank you Elizabeth.

LibreWolf is just a layer of community reviewing in case Mozilla pushes something bad to their audience. My metaphor about the layer of ash on top of a fox works for this reason.

I also worry for the future of Firefox. I hope their executives will see larger community forming around forks, and it will make them find back their focus to privacy, and security. I'll be back to Firefox if they do that.

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@darkbeth hopefully we have to worry about that only a few years until independent engines become usable. #Verso and #Ladybird are candidates if #mozilla codebase rots. GNOME Web / #epiphany is another browser that has an engine not depending on Google (Apple webkit engine though, but at it it will be a real competition and even though they are bad to their own usets, they are not as powerful on the web like Google).
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David Revoy

@zulo @yalle @ilumium Yalle: librewolf.net/docs/settings/#e… pour l'avoir en permanent (ou dans about:config , identity.fxaccounts.enabled to true )

Zulo: La partie "vulnerabilities" ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfox… ) m'a refroidi lors de mes recherches, et j'ai trouver pas ouf leur business modèle basé sur les revenues de la vente de data pour les recherches.

in reply to Adam Dalliance

@pre Right. I was badly surprised to see my Firefox homepage receiving an unsolicited "Temu" shortcut icon recently. Especially after that framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/1133… ... 😔
in reply to David Revoy

Even though selecting the dark theme would give a whole 1 bit of fingerprinting, browsers that serve the users really allow optionally keeping dark themes even with fingerprinting resistance enabled.

There is one extension that will set a dark theme regardless min you; addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firef…

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David Revoy

@ferran4 @peterainbow Vivaldi is not free/libre and open source software and I would find that using a proprietary freeware as a web browser really dangerous nowadays for privacy and security.
So, not sure any distribution will think it is a good idea (except a community edition of Manjaro who tried it but , :yay: well, it's Manjaro, not the distro most concerned about FLOSS, imo )
in reply to scaro

@scaro Merci. Sur mobile jusque là c'était Firefox sur un Android dégooglisé... enfin au mieu possible car c'est quasi impossible de faire un 100%.

Mais là je teste la semaine prochaine iode.tech/ , c'est du lineageos.org/ mélangé avec de la revente de matos reconditionné. Je donnerai des news sur le blog si ça fait bien le taf, surtout si au niveau photo/video ça arrive à suivre. ☺️

in reply to David Revoy

From the blog post...

You won't be pampered with a one-click installation for all. Instead, you'll need to take the time to review the documentation and set up the security and privacy features that you're willing to trade off for comfort and convenience.


Yeah, ouch, thats not going to sell with the Plebs, and limit buy-in from them, and market share.

They really should try to fix that, and not just hand wave it away as a problem.

Market share is the lifeblood of the browser wars.

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in reply to Cosmic Cleric

@CosmicCleric "[...] not going to sell with the Plebs"

😆 I don't think LibreWolf has view for market share and plebs. As far as I know it's a community initiative, not a company. Yes, it require time to install and setup, and understand the implication of what security and privacy setting one decide to lower. But I'm happy I took this time, I feel I understand even more how the web of 2025 is broken and how web browser interacts with it to try to ease the experience.

in reply to David Revoy

I've gone through this process myself today. I have some comments not found in your blog post:

  • Symlinking ~/.mozilla/firefox to ~/.librewolf works.
  • Synchronisation is turned off by default. Turning it on makes it work, but it also erases all the cookies. Okay, no biggie.
  • No dark mode by default, you have to set this manually. Unless you disable Resist Fingerprinting, which I kinda want to keep.
  • The built in password manager is disabled by default.
in reply to David Revoy

Note that if you are concerning about security, you may want to enable Google Safe Browsing as well (I know this is from Google, but implementation from Mozilla is making sense and even Librewolf devs are considering enabling it if it wasn't for user self-compiling issues). I'm a CS student myself but I don't think I'm that savvy for checking every site I go though.