We are now bidding on auction item number five! Not only does the GNU party by Etienne Suvasa (1993) decorate the cover of Introduction to the Command Line, it is also a fun reminder that computing in freedom is worthy of celebration. Find out a bit more about this lively artwork and bid via #Galène: u.fsf.org/46b #auction #FSF40 #memorabilia
Livre QUE LA FARCE SOIT AVEC VOUS Jello Biafra 24 € Dispo et détail ici: la-petroleuse.com/fr/livres-pu… On adore Jello Biafra (comment ne pourrait on pas?), son charisme, son style et sa voix inimitable. Mais quel punk français a t-il pu apprécier toute la richesse de ses textes en VO ? Ce pavé contient toutes les paroles (en français donc) de Biafra illustrées par 60 artistes français et internationaux #livre #book #rytrut #jellobiafra #punk #lapetroleuse #lapetroleusebookshop #librairielapetroleuse
[Punk - Lyrics - Jello Biafra] Livre recueil en français des textes de Jello Biafra - Rytrut 2012 - 410 p. ISBN 978-2952008365 - Prix 24.00 € - Librairie La Petroleuse
Every programme with a cultural slant has a home on ARTE
About 56 % of the programmes are documentaries, 19 % feature films, drama and series, 14 % news-related programmes, while 5 % feature music and other performing arts. About two thirds of the programmes broadcast on ARTE are previously unreleased.
Finally achieved something I've been wanting to do since the 80s!! I have always wanted to recreate this fantastic display, and today I've achieved it after fixing my poorly Micro vision.
@Datassette_User small b&w CRTs don't really have a problem with sharpness. See the miniscule CRTs used in viewfinders that were much tinier and pin sharp.
Zin om met grote telescopen naar de maan, de planeten en de sterren te kijken? Vanavond 7 maart en zaterdagavond 8 maart 2025 zijn er sterrenkijkdagen. Voor een andere kijk op de zaak. www.sterrenkijkdagen.be #gratis #helder
If you live and breathe the terminal, then you are no doubt using a terminal multiplexer like GNU screen or tmux. But why not replace it with 100% all-natural Emacs? It can do everything your favorite multiplexer can do --- it can even edit text.
Unfortunately, there seems to be a bug in our recent 136.0-1 release; the LW settings page does not properly reflect the state of the settings. While this does not seem to be a very "consequential" bug (eg. not negatively influencing hardening, etc.), it's certainly not great - we are sorry about that!
We are looking into it and will try to get it addressed swiftly, and update this post with the progress.
/edit: the build process for a fixed version 136.0-2 has started 😀
"Old and alone" are two connotations no one wants to have any associations with. It's negative and hints thats you're washed up and no longer useful to anyone. And no other horrible term defines that as the phrase "cat lady", carrying the stigma that you're "old" because you have no friends but cats and they're the only ones who can fulfill your loneliness.
!Friendica Support I #boosted a #toot on floss.social this morning and saw it appear in friendica.world one minute later. I then #unboosted that same toot on floss.social. I expected the toot to disappear from friendica, but it still shows, saying that I reshared it. Is this normal behaviour or is my friendica.world instance messing up? I'd expect the toot to disappear, or at least the mention that I reshared the toot to disappear.
As far as I remember, the server sends a signal to the network that a message has been removed. Because the recipients created a copy of this message, it's left up to them how they deal with it. This requires cooperation and if different platforms are involved, then there can be misinterpretation or the feature simply isn't implemented yet.
@matera Haha, I typed in a search engine for "furryfox" before realizing it was your way of naming Firefox. 😆 Catchy name. Yes, I'll keep my Firefox too in background. Right now mainly to compare when I have an issue with LibreWolf, and also to test my blog and peppercarrot website. 😉
It's good to have a few different browsers for website testing. I have an assortment of different browser profiles too. I use dedicated profiles mostly to keep Gahoogle and Zuckland noses out of my business.
@simonzerafa @protonprivacy @mozillaofficial I'm not sure how official the account you linked here is, the branding feels off and it's not really noted in the bio this is their official new account.
@simonzerafa @protonprivacy @mozillaofficial I mean something as simple like text-to-speech or OCR or machine translation models (like Google Translate/DeepL) can be considered "AI" technically. I'm a student and many courses involving creating our own models from scratch and many of my projects involving use models like tesseract-ocr, turtle-tts, YOLO, LLaMA,... for some tasks and this is painful for me as many outputs don't even make sense and I had to tweak a lot.
Thank you! Putting the Firefox dilemma in pictures makes it less academic and more approachable issue. I hope many people realize how empowering it is to use free software that can be replaced easily.
Thank you! Putting the Firefox dilemma in pictures makes it less academic and more approachable issue. I hope many people realize how empowering it is to use free software that can be replaced easily.
00:00 (Intro) 00:34 (Breaking Up with Adobe) 01:13 (Da Vinci Resolve) 02:51 (Reaper) 03:52 (Other Creative Software) 04:13 (Linux) 07:18 (A Public Service Announcement)
1. I know this may discourage other developers from updating their programs. Hopefully just a temporary plugin.
2. The title says it all. https://github.com/obsproject/obs-websocket/releases...
@mray Thanks! Oh yes it's not easy to find the time and do a change and walk the path of frustration of changing habit and studying settings.
Thanks for the video, I'm already subscribed to this animator artist, James Lee.
He recently announced moving to GNU/Linux. It's not the best period to do this for artists, with Wayland, all container war etc...I don't remember I saw an update of them about how they succeed to make it. Certainly hard time ^ ^ I hope he found my blog post about it.
@darkbeth hopefully we have to worry about that only a few years until independent engines become usable. #Verso and #Ladybird are candidates if #mozilla codebase rots. GNOME Web / #epiphany is another browser that has an engine not depending on Google (Apple webkit engine though, but at it it will be a real competition and even though they are bad to their own usets, they are not as powerful on the web like Google).
LibreWolf is just a layer of community reviewing in case Mozilla pushes something bad to their audience. My metaphor about the layer of ash on top of a fox works for this reason.
I also worry for the future of Firefox. I hope their executives will see larger community forming around forks, and it will make them find back their focus to privacy, and security. I'll be back to Firefox if they do that.
@praveen @darkbeth I mean this is one of the benefits of open source and free/libre software, is that it help users to have alternative in case the original went bad and have a voice to push back harmful changes.
@BluesHarp But Vivaldi is not free/libre and open source software... This is even not an option on my operating system as it is really impossible to know what Vivaldi dev are doing with your data.
@BluesHarp Unfortunately, what fork of Chromium do you recommend then? Brave is a shady crypto project run by a less than nice person, Chrome & Edge I hope I don't have to explain, and Opera? I really hope I don't have to go any further.
Also, when Mozilla eventually goes, so does Librewolf, Waterfox, and the rest. There's no way that the Firefox forks will be able to pick up the pieces in time.
Unfortunately, I am stuck on Vivaldi because it has PWAs and isn't going to die.
Ce projet LibreWolf semble sympathique mais pas compatible avec firefox syncs, ce qui est sans doute logique, mais sans alternative. Je teste également Floorp...
@yalle @ilumium Je n'ai pas testé LibreWolf, mais Waterfox a été l'alternative parfaite pour mon vieux laptop sous MX-Linux. Tout ce qui est synchro est natif, et en plus il tourne mieux que Firefox.
Zulo: La partie "vulnerabilities" ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfox… ) m'a refroidi lors de mes recherches, et j'ai trouver pas ouf leur business modèle basé sur les revenues de la vente de data pour les recherches.
As someone who used to help contribute to Firefox, and who, outside the development, made a Linux installer for Firefox ("Firefox Automatic Installer for Linux"), I absolutely hate LibreWolf. -- Why? 🤔 LibreWorlf often breaks things (repeatedly). Then proceeds to blame Mozilla Firefox, even when Firefox was still good. They seldom took responsibility for their own issues and always passed the blame, despite those issues being exclusive to LibreWolf.
This only further hurt Firefox, because you had all these people saying, "just use LibreWolf" while also saying, "Firefox is the problem." But LibreWolf 100% depends on Firefox. They're a soft-fork who has made it clear, they have no intention of ever going independent. That means, when Firefox goes, so does, LibreWolf.
I switched to Vivaldi Browser. It is everything Firefox should have been. Yes, it is Chromium fork, but they do not follow along with everything Google does. Not only do they include their own ad-blocker, but they worked with uBlock to include v3 support going forward, that works nicely alongside
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As someone who used to help contribute to Firefox, and who, outside the development, made a Linux installer for Firefox ("Firefox Automatic Installer for Linux"), I absolutely hate LibreWolf. -- Why? 🤔 LibreWorlf often breaks things (repeatedly). Then proceeds to blame Mozilla Firefox, even when Firefox was still good. They seldom took responsibility for their own issues and always passed the blame, despite those issues being exclusive to LibreWolf.
This only further hurt Firefox, because you had all these people saying, "just use LibreWolf" while also saying, "Firefox is the problem." But LibreWolf 100% depends on Firefox. They're a soft-fork who has made it clear, they have no intention of ever going independent. That means, when Firefox goes, so does, LibreWolf.
I switched to Vivaldi Browser. It is everything Firefox should have been. Yes, it is Chromium fork, but they do not follow along with everything Google does. Not only do they include their own ad-blocker, but they worked with uBlock to include v3 support going forward, that works nicely alongside their ad-blocker. I even use Privacy Badger alongside both.
Because Firefox and Brave are open source malware, spyware, adware, and calls home like a lost child wanting their mother. And while Vivaldi is not open source, it calls out to check for updates, Widevine updates, and bug reports for a total of 3-4x in the whole day, as opposed to the 4x per hour or more that Firefox and Brave call out, continuously. If you want safety and security and most importantly, privacy, you go with Vivaldi.
I have 0 reasons to trust Vivaldi. They might have reputation and they make proper requests that's all nullified when the program is not free. A browser that merely uses Chromium should not be proprietary.
LibreWolf sounds nice. unfortunately its only available in aur for archlinux, what means i have to build it local. and its veeeeeery big. i started it 90min ago and its still compiling...
I know there is also an alternative called @mullvadnet Mullvad Browser that has been co-developed with @torproject , i can't say wich of both browser is the best.
@stemy @mullvadnet @torproject Both Tor Browser and Mullvad Browser are more hardcore about privacy than Librewolf. They block Javascript by default with Noscript addon (you can enable it per-site or globally), use advanced techniques to limit fingerprinting and are designed to be used with their respective privacy networks (Mullvad VPN / Tor).
This may break a lot of websites and increase latency. If privacy is more important to you than ease of use, they are the best in class. Otherwise, Librewolf is a good compromise.
NoScript, the old Firefox extension? I stopped using it because I started seeing third-party ads and cookies on the #NoScript website. Switched to #uMatrix.
I wish uMatrix was still maintained. It is excellent.
@argv_minus_one @halibut @stemy @mullvadnet @torproject Hey Stemy, yes I had a look at this other alternative (and adopted an appimage of the Tor browser on the process). Mullvad also looks nice!
I may sometimes use open-source tools that I don't know who made them. But I don't feel comfortable using them for a browser. If it's a honeypot created by intelligence agencies or North Korean hackers, I have no idea. 😬
@veroandi It's a community fork. So, you have to meet their community. Scroll down the page to the "Core contributor" section. I see 8 profiles here. You can check their public activities on Codeberg, and follow links on their profile. You can also discuss with them on their Matrix chat room.
I've gone Waterfox and in just 1 day returned to Firefox because so many things just didn't work that did and still do in Firefox. Which is weird but still.
@rejzor Yes, changing web browser can be difficult. My first hours with LibreWolf was a real maze. I'm really lucky I could speak about my issue on the Pepper&Carrot matrix room and received assistance from a more experienced user.
I updated on their bug tracker the thread that I found with the information I needed, for future users in the same situation as me.
I've tried and used so many browser in my life, but at the moment I have a priority of not using anything Google and to not deal with issues and BS. Firefox fits that despite all the idiocies Mozilla is doing as I don't have the time and nerves anymore to deal with random issues forks have that Firefox doesn't. Like, literally the first news streaming site for news I use didn't work in Waterfox and does in Firefox. So, there's that.
Haha, shit! Luckily, I saw that they had librewolf-bin in AUR. That install went much faster! Writing this toot in LibreWolf with imported profile from Firefox.
I do not like what firefox mozilla is trying to do but. I like librewolf just... they can not enhance security by (in the past) delay the code for (weeks to) fixes. It is not good but sometimes takes days. We need to pull togeather and if librewolf fixed this i am fine to change..
@ibrahim_cris For sure, yes, this is something I want to see in the long run: how quick LibreWolf get patched and released to security vulnerabilities.
But so far, this was really educative: I now better understand many Firefox privacy options not activated by default and that I never knew of existence. If I go back to Firefox, I'll be a more advanced user knowing the settings and the about:config options.
@nekohayo Yes, I really like Gnome Web/Epiphany. I had also a look at the Plasma side, the Falkon browser.
And the more I think about my web browsing usage, the more I wonder why I want to keep all my browsing inside a single web browser.
Probably a habit I developed with the early web.
I might start to install more browsers and split up my web browsing habit depending on activities and the level of privacy and security I need for certain website.
@elgregor That's a good solution! My initiation to LibreWolf made me aware of many settings I never thought existing in Firefox (because suddenly all were turned on by default). It was really educative, and I'll probably benefit a lot of it if I'm going back to Firefox.
For those coming here in search of Firefox alternatives, I just want to point out zen-browser.app/ that is also a fork of Firefox though perhaps a more customised fork... Check it out if you are in the mood for trying a different layout from the default Firefox experience...
Zen Browser is built for speed, security, and true privacy. Download now to enjoy a beautifully-designed, distraction-free web experience packed with features.
@technikhil I just gave #Librewolf and #Zenbrowser a try. Both seem to work perfectly fine, and reimporting my date from #Firefox was easy (which seems logical since they're both based on Firefox). I'm not switching now though. I took a minute to check my Firefox settings and opt out from everything that seemed not to be data privacy friendly.
I'm wondering if those forks are actually viable if Firefox dies one day... So for now I'd rather not cut the branch I've been sitting on for 2 decades, wait and see.
I like the look of Zen browser though, looks like arc!
@louischance Yep, perfectly rational... I too have not (yet) given up on Firefox, I have just started compartmentalizing what I use it for. The Firefox sync allows me to still keep parity between the 2 browsers, though given the direction Mozilla is going I am probably going to delete that account quite soon. The similarity with Arc is what drew me to the Zen browser initially. I also like the amount of space it provides for the content in it's "compact mode" layout.
@marnic Totalement! C'est même pour ça que dans ma métaphore, je voulais vraiment montrer que le petit renard reste un renard , tant bien même recouvert de cendre. Ca ressemble donc plutôt a une "community curated edition" de Firefox, mais je crois que c'est ce que je cherche là. Je commence à me méfier de Mozilla. Ils dérapent trop souvent ces derniers temps, et ça c'est que la partie publique...
@marnic Oui 😁 Mais faudrait commencer cette fondation avec un sacré budget pour avoir déjà une grosse poignée de dev à plein temps dessus.
Je verrai bien la Wikipedia fondation dessus. Il me semble que leur trésorerie et leur moyen technique et leur familiarité avec le publique ferait que si ils entraient dans ce game, ça ferait un acteur de poids très rapidement.
tiens ben justement, il s'était passé quoi pour openoffice à l'époque ? j'avais suivi que de loin mais il a bien fallu passer la main à libreoffice à ce moment là aussi ? @marnic
@couscous @marnic Les premiers paragraphes "Histoire" de fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOff… te donneront une version bien plus détaillé que ce que j'avais en tête pour te répondre. 😆 C'était un sacré truc !
Long time LibreWolf user. I have recently installed "Floorp" on one of my machine, also a fork of Firefox. It has the added advantage of being non-US based (Japan). Seems good, but too early to be definitive.
@Fat_Farang Nice, that the first web browser suggestion in all the comments I received that I didn't know of existence. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floorp , very interesting. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for this. I had forgotten about LibreWolf and now is a great time to remember it again. I appreciate your introduction as well. It helps to know what I'm getting into and what I should warn others about before sending them to it.
Got rid of Chrome for Chromium I guess Firefox will have to be replaced with an alternative as well since they decided to follow in Google's footsteps.
Thank you, but don't worry, I'm making many errors too, and I'll keep doing them as I often experiment with many new things. I just hope I'll get comments helping me if I go accidentally on questionable territories and I'll have the brightness of mind to study them and readjust.
@prakasc For Waterfox, I read their webpage, and the Wikipedia page only. The chapter about vulnerabilities was enough for me to not get motivated to explore more. Also a business model based on search result. Meh. But cool name.
@DBG3D @Gonzalo I use only three or four extension here, one to skip sponsoring segment on Youtube, another one to auto-complete cookie, a css div box outliner, an extension also to get more info on pictures and be able to search by image. They all look like they work fine.
somehow, my #librewolf makes weird alignment in some sites... is there a way to make the text align left? It's not a big deal but it can be annoying sometimes
Il y aussi floorp, un "fork" également du renard. Pas d'avis définitif (en phase test) mais je n'ai pas eu le besoin de me plonger dans la doc et de soulever le capot pour l'intant. @Khrys
« Installing #LibreWolf on my Debian was surprisingly simple » Coucou 👋 Tu aurais un conseil pour jouir de cette facilité ? Je suis sur Ubuntu et je galère comme pas possible pour l'installer 😭
J'éspère que l’installation sera facile sous Ubuntu. Ici aucune idée de comment ça se passe sous les système 'buntu-based. Pour moi sous Debian 12 KDE avec la doc c'était vraiment trois lignes de commandes à copier/coller et c'était fait.
Pour comparaison: déloger le Firefox-ESR de Debian stable et le remplacer par la repo officielle de Firefox au moment de mon install avait été un processus plus complex.
yes, LibreWolf is a great fork of Firefox. I also use it (and I haven't used the “main” version of Firefox in a long time now), and it took a little configuring before being usable the way I wanted.
Its strong privacy defaults remind me somewhat of Firefox Focus on mobile devices.
@confusomu If LibreWolf is stripped of Mozilla services like Firefox Sync how do you sync stuff between your different devices? Extensions, bookmarks etc.
@confusomu @saphkey Yes, it took me time configuring it too. And I wiped more than three time the ~/.librewolf pref directory to start anew and be sure to reactive things I need only. It's very educative to all the many comfort I need that can compromise privacy/security of browsing website these days. Very, very educative.
@rony4102 Well, I visited their webpage and read their Wikipedia. But only checking they are still active on X was a red flag to me so far to get interested in.
Note that Lunduke's a horrible person, so this article of his is from a heavily biased anti-trans perspective, plus the article and his journal as a whole is from Rumble.
@pre Right. I was badly surprised to see my Firefox homepage receiving an unsolicited "Temu" shortcut icon recently. Especially after that framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/1133… ... 😔
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Another bad derivative of my art:
- Reusing my Creative Commons artwork without attribution
- Putting it on top of AI gen
I wonder how they managed to sell 568 of them...
😤 Revolting.
Is it worth running LibreWolf without fingerprinting disabled? It's kind of a dealbreaker that it doesn't save zoom options on websites. At least I could handle having to run another browser to use Netflix...
@Yingwu That's exactly where I found it educative to have to be personally facing this dilemma and having to choose.
Here I decided to allow fingerprinting, because mainly I really like when a blog or website switch to dark mode automatically. Without that, all website were in light theme, and it felt very difficult to me to browse the web like that now...
Even though selecting the dark theme would give a whole 1 bit of fingerprinting, browsers that serve the users really allow optionally keeping dark themes even with fingerprinting resistance enabled.
Download Dark Background and Light Text for Firefox. Make every web page (or just the pages you want) display light text on dark backgrounds. All color variations are fully customizable.
@ferran4 @peterainbow Vivaldi is not free/libre and open source software and I would find that using a proprietary freeware as a web browser really dangerous nowadays for privacy and security. So, not sure any distribution will think it is a good idea (except a community edition of Manjaro who tried it but , well, it's Manjaro, not the distro most concerned about FLOSS, imo )
@fasnix Thank you! No idea for a Zen version, but it can be a good writing exercice if you want to spend time figuring out in a text pad. Feel free to share the result here if you have something fun!
je te suis et pas que pour la qualité de ton travail ! je vais l'installer de suite sur mon portable Frame.Work Fedora. Et pour ton mobile, tu as choisi quoi ?
@scaro Merci. Sur mobile jusque là c'était Firefox sur un Android dégooglisé... enfin au mieu possible car c'est quasi impossible de faire un 100%.
Mais là je teste la semaine prochaine iode.tech/ , c'est du lineageos.org/ mélangé avec de la revente de matos reconditionné. Je donnerai des news sur le blog si ça fait bien le taf, surtout si au niveau photo/video ça arrive à suivre. ☺️
alors je serai attentif à tes futures publications. Sur mon Fairphone avec Murena OS, je testerai le navigateur par défaut pour désinstaller dès que possible Firefox aussi. Iels verront vite la baisse de leur utilisation, sans doute lors des prochaines mises à jour...
ah mais c'est un OS complet... je cherchais juste un navigateur pour mon Fairphone qui tourne sous Murena OS... mais je suis curieux de lire ton retour d'expérience qd même. En commençant par le navigateur inclus 😉
You won't be pampered with a one-click installation for all. Instead, you'll need to take the time to review the documentation and set up the security and privacy features that you're willing to trade off for comfort and convenience.
Yeah, ouch, thats not going to sell with the Plebs, and limit buy-in from them, and market share.
They really should try to fix that, and not just hand wave it away as a problem.
Market share is the lifeblood of the browser wars.
@CosmicCleric "[...] not going to sell with the Plebs"
😆 I don't think LibreWolf has view for market share and plebs. As far as I know it's a community initiative, not a company. Yes, it require time to install and setup, and understand the implication of what security and privacy setting one decide to lower. But I'm happy I took this time, I feel I understand even more how the web of 2025 is broken and how web browser interacts with it to try to ease the experience.
@CosmicCleric I mean I don't hate for-profit companies that much unless they have done questionable/nefarious things repeatedly; but I really don't like for-profit companies hiding behind non-profits/benefit corporations/co-ops especially to do questionable things.
@pq1r oh oh, interesting for the symlink! Thank you for sharing. A dual workflow with keeping Firefox for my trusted websites and all search and random web browsing in Librewolf to not get tracked sounds like a possibility I haven't studied. I'll consider this, now.
@Heather That's a good recommendation, it was high on my list (and I love how fresh the vertical tab design is on it 😍 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_Brow… )
In a post-truth era, what companies state worth unfortunately nothing to me, personally. Only legal documents like a license can protect us as a end user.
At least they state: "We don't want your data and we don't care how you use our browser."
Mike Kuketz (Data Security Specialist) did an analysis of most browsers and Vivaldi opens nearly no connections to their servers (except e.g. to check for updates).
Still, it's based on Chromium ... so I guess we can only trust them.
I've been using LibreWolf for several years. I usually use different browsers for different tasks and for general privacy and security if I'm not using Tor it's my browser of choice.
Note that if you are concerning about security, you may want to enable Google Safe Browsing as well (I know this is from Google, but implementation from Mozilla is making sense and even Librewolf devs are considering enabling it if it wasn't for user self-compiling issues). I'm a CS student myself but I don't think I'm that savvy for checking every site I go though.
Right...so what are people using for a #browser ? I'm ready to dump Firefox, but having trouble find a good alternative. Founder of BRAVE sounds like he's a homophobic douchebag, Mullvad doesn't seem great on a phone, and Vivaldi has an issue with some of its links. All I'm hearing second hand, so take it with a grain of salt.
librewolf? I just exported my bookmarks and passwords in firefox, removed it, and installed librewolf. Just remember to go into settings and tell librewolf to not to delete cookies and site data when LibreWolf is closed.
Google installs a nude scanner on your cell phone – that is behind it | A system app called “Safetycore” appears on more and more Android mobile devices and unsettles users. There are striking parallels to Apple’s unsuccessful introduction of «on-Device scans». byteseu.com/785658/ #DE #Deutsch #Deutschsprechenden #Europe
In this week's Cybercultural post, I look back on Tumblr in 2012. In particular, I explore how the gifset — a collection of animated gifs — came to epitomize Tumblr's quirky appeal and helped redefine blogging. (note: I fired up my YouTube a/c for this post, recording 4 video screencasts to illustrate some beautiful 2012 gifsets) cybercultural.com/p/tumblr-201… #InternetHistory #Tumblr #gifsets
By 2012, Tumblr was one of the world's top websites — mostly thanks to pop culture fans posting animated gifs of their favorite music, tv and movie stars. Blogging would never be the same again.
I wanted to take a moment with this artwork to express my gratitude to everyone who commented and showed support after I reposted last week the email asking me to erase the relation between these two characters from my comic for homophobic reasons ( framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/1140… ).
I was overwhelmed by your amount of responses, but in a good way.
Thanks for all this support against hate and intolerance. This only strengthens my motivation to continue in this way with more artworks like that. 💜
What the? Sorry, I missed the first posting, but you definitely have my support against blatantly oblivious people-hating "concerned parents" like these.
Good that you’re not changing the panel. While I can appreciate that they wrote you a fairly politely worded request instead of an insulting one, the message is absolutely not acceptable! Who we love, is not a “creative choice”. Thank you for standing up to this.
📽️ I filmed the making of while testing on Linux the XpPen Deco 01v3, a budget medium sized screenless tablet, I drew this one with that. The timelapse will be part of the hardware review on the channel (soon, stay tuned!).
Here are two early WIP; the sketch and a pass with better line weight:
Official homepage of Pepper&Carrot, a free(libre) and open-source webcomic about Pepper, a young witch and her cat, Carrot. They live in a fantasy universe of potions, magic, and creatures.
For me his statement was better to read than the statements wrote by "everyone who commented and showed support". And no, not because of the attitude to homosexual relationship but by the way how they refer to another person.
He asked you directly. You could say no and that would be it. Instead he was pelted with insults in the name of tolerance? 😞 This "support against hate" became hate itself 😞
I'm just glad to have found your work. I've got a hardcover copy of volume 1 on the way, and I'm sure it'll get circulated around my roller derby league when I'm done with it.
@roadriverrail Thank you! And don't hesitate to give a feedback (public or PM here, as you want) about the print quality.
The service I use is 'print on demand', so they use the same file for printing as when I submitted it years ago and checked, and I hope their process is still the same. They are literally printing the books one by one.
You can quickly browse all the efforts I had to do to make a file without using any proprietary software: davidrevoy.com/article757/the-…
@Rob26 I received maybe two emails about it, but that was a sensible topic around 2015 and 2016 and what really triggered them was the incantation circles of Pepper on the episode 8:
Official homepage of Pepper&Carrot, a free(libre) and open-source webcomic about Pepper, a young witch and her cat, Carrot. They live in a fantasy universe of potions, magic, and creatures.
@Rob26 True, magic or potion was accepted. It's really the incantation circles and demons that put on the table the "satanic" theme for them.
On the bright side, no one ever complained about Pepper being left handed ( peppercarrot.com/0_sources/ep0… ) , or I never had a single comment of racism against any characters. These representations looks totally mainstream now and that's very good.
"I read this book to my 6-year old child who was drawn by the beautiful illustrations and couldn’t wait to hear the story. It’s been the start of a much-needed conversation on out-of-the-box thinking, digital freedom, and contesting power in the age of surveillance."
Here you find additional information and resources about the book "Ada & Zangemann - A Tale of Software, Skateboards, and Raspberry Ice Cream" by Matthias ...
So we're at the next hurdle in keeping Friendica.World stable.
We now hit an issue where a cleanup job hangs the database. The database query it fires takes too long, and after a while this starts locking other processes in the database. Then the database connections fill up to the maximum, and the site becomes available.
I've raised an issue for this : github.com/friendica/friendica… and someone proposed a workaround they are using, we might try that as well until a fix has been created.
I have searched open and closed issues for duplicates Bug Description There's a query that runs for a very long time (> 30 minutes) and causes all other sessions in MariaDB to go into Waiting for t...
Thank you for all the hard work that you do! I know I keep Tooting that it's offline every now and then (although yesterday, it seemed more off than on when I tried to use it). But I am really grateful for all the hard work. And I wish I was a Fedi wizzkid, so I could jump in and try to help out... The next few months I am having some more expensive bits that need to be done and paid for. But after that, I'll do my best to send a little cup of Ko-fi coffee your way (I'll check how I can donate when I have some funds). I also wish I had more funds, so I could easily support the Fedi bits that provide me with a home for my social media needs... Alas...
Anywhoo.... Thanks so much for your hard work and I hope that the temporary fix will help to resolve (some of) the issues!
#gpa on #debian #testing and #unstable is in a messed up state. Turns out, the command line is way easier than I thought. Why bother with gpa when all that is needed to decrypt is #gpg:
“I dug deep and found the most advanced VHS archiving project around: VHS-Decode. The short version is you solder wires into a VCR to extract as close to the raw tape signal as possible. From there, you are doing the decoding of the image in software. If you wanna see what a freakishly clean encode upscaled to 4K looks like on a tape from 1987 of The Cure on the BBC, check this shit out.
From there, I would just compulsively buy stuff that had no good encode.”
I have to say, while these do look pretty nice, and it seems no AI upscaling was used (thank god) they all do seem oversharpened and too contrasty, harsh haloing around people's heads and their skin texture can look a little /too/ defined at times. tape rips dont need to exist in higher than 1080p, even the bitrate benefits of going to 4K for youtube wont really be seen when you're dealing with a source no greater than 576i
NOTE: DO NOT DOWNLOAD THE COMPRESSED MP4 THAT ARCHIVE.ORG AUTO-GENERATES. This is an RF rip of Ricky Jay and His 52 Assistants, to date the greatest card...
Remember these? Yes you do! The blanked out fields with an actual aztec code.
With some amazing wor j of a bunch of nerds we decoded that this is a real ticket issued by SNCB from Brussel-Centaal to Brussels Airport Zaventem on March 23, 2023 second class to a person named HE*** EV***
Still using OpenOffice? It has unfixed security issues over a year old: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_O… – So all users are strongly recommended to update to one of the actively maintained successor projects, like LibreOffice. (Please share and help raise awareness about this!)
@TritTriton It’s a sad reminder that Oracle really screws up everything it touches. Did they donate the IP and code to the original fork made up of a lot of OOo developers? No, they gave it to Apache that literally did the equivalent of “uhhhhh… thanks?” and didn’t really want it.
@zilti Agreed. It's so irresponsible to still be serving up this software. Please contact press@apache.org and ask why they are still doing it, and let us know what they say!
@zilti @TritTriton Yep. Honestly, I would just love to see the project officially ended at this point so it can end with some dignity. I don’t know why Apache keeps dragging it along. Just take it out back and put it out of its misery.
@travis @zilti @TritTriton We don't know why the Apache Foundation keeps serving it to users either, despite the vulnerabilities. Try contacting press@apache.org and asking why it isn't in the Attic despite unfixed security holes over a year old – would be interesting to see what they say!
@travis Looks like your email was forwarded to their dev@ list, and there they are accusing you of being a "sock puppet", ie a fake account: mail-archive.com/dev@openoffic… – How awful, that they can't take any feedback and accuse you of being a liar.
Wow, I shouldn't have to dig up old emails from 2004/2005 to prove I was a member of the project. I just lost all respect I had for the Apache Software Foundation as a whole. And when people complain about "open source being bad," well, Exhibit A right there. I have much more respect for The Document Foundation and LibreOffice now. You guys are awesome.
@nazokiyoubinbou Oo was pretty much abandoned years ago. But it shambles on in zombie mode, ensnaring those who don't know it's broken/abandoned by apache for many years.
Wow, for CVE-2021-33035 beyond just the difference in time when it was fixed, the differing commit messages and implementations speak volumes to the overall code quality and amount of care being put in.
Apache should just take down open office, or redirect the site to libre office.
For some reason people still seem to remember the open office name as an alternative to MS Office, and then download and install it. I had to direct a few people to use libre office instead.
@lindarosesmit Not sure what that issue is as other macOS users aren't reporting it, but maybe the steps towards the bottom here will help you on your setup: support.apple.com/en-us/102445
@MurmeltHier At an immediate level, they're bigots who think everyone around them is also a bigot.
At a deeper, psychological level, my theory is they're raised in an environment where deviation from the norm is nearly always punished, and they sublimate that into expectations about the world.
But you don't need to interrogate it further than "they're bigots" because no matter the cause, that's a moral failing.
@Erpel @neomojimixer They really believe that their religion, and *only* their religion, entitles them to a world perfectly in sync with their idea of what their god wants. What if I were to write to them that the instagram pictures of their family could be enjoyed by so many more people if only the women would wear hijab? Would they comply?
@neomojimixer @Erpel @edgeofeurope „Their god” is in their view “the creator” and created all, even gay and lesbian. How blasphemous from them to reject what “their god created”.
@tanteju5 @neomojimixer @Erpel ah no, you see, Despite their god being omnipotent, and in spite of their claim to believe in only one god, there is another ominpotent god called Satan, and he created everything they do not approve of.
@Erpel @neomojimixer @edgeofeurope So, their God X created something and god Y, that does not exist as there is only one god, created something as well and it is up to some of the created creatures that do not know any of the gods to differ between those created from their god and those created by the non-existing god? Absolutely reasonable if rules of logic are dismissed and rational parts of brain disappeared in a puff.
@tanteju5 the whole concept of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent god is absurd and paradoxical on many layers.
But that is why it's "belief" and why "belief" is a virtue. You ought to believe it to be true despite the lack of plausibility. It's fundamentally not rational and therefore it's hard to reason people out of it.
I don't wish to take religion and spirituality from those who practice it purely for themselves. But successful major religions by design have built-in mechanisms through which they spread (missionaries etc.) as otherwise they would have never gotten their large following in the first place. And that by definition means trying to impose their religious values on other "non-believing" people. -Vox
@tanteju5 @neomojimixer @Erpel @edgeofeurope remember sodom and gomora or whatever? their god definitely created cis straight families and nothing else.
They're just looking for opportunities to oppress others while making themselves feel good and righteous about it (which also requires ignoring significant parts of the religion they're using for their aesthetics, coincidentally).
@lispi314 @neomojimixer @Erpel I can't think of a single group with "family" in the name that isn't a hate group off the top of my head. "Christian family values" are just a dogwhistle for bigotry. (Which kinda makes sense, a "family" in the bible is one man and how ever many women he can afford to keep in his house, who's commanded by god to kill his kids if they're disobedient)
@napierge @Erpel religion is incompatible with intelligence. dogmatism taints the mind, which is then incapable of logical reasoning. You need a special kind of abused mind to believe the crap they do. Thats why they start with endoctrinating kids.
the brain sticks to its beliefs to maintain its own sanity. No believer person in a believer family will question its faith. It's a too hard frame to break. It requires regular active support from non believers so they constantly question their situation and stop considering it like the normal thing.
It's an extreme opinion but for me, faith is a mental poison that breaks the brain.
@f4grx @Lulukaros agree, regular active support is sooo frustrated, consider that most religion perceive non beleivers as not equal partner to discussion
@napierge @Lulukaros and also as "poor non believers they dont know what they are missing so lets include them in our prayers even if they want nothing of this"
@f4grx @napierge I'm not so sure, I'm not a non-believer, I'm undoubtedly religious but i still question it based on my own beliefs, it's just a classic case of people using religion as an excuse for their bigotry
@f4grx @Lulukaros @napierge there's a youtuber named Evidenc3 who did a series of videos describing how he lost his faith and they're a good watch. In particular he frames God as a "mega belief" that's propped up by many smaller ones, so even if one smaller belief falls the overall belief structure remains
@f4grx @Lulukaros @napierge hm, idk, I used to be a Christian as a kid (raised in an Orthodox Christian family) and then throughout high school I just gradually believed less and less until by the end I kinda just didn't at all
It didn't require any active effort from me or anyone else, it just happened, believing just gradually made less and less sense to me as time went on
my opinion is probably stricter than actually required. Teenagers are usually eager to think by themselves and try new things, especially the ones parents dont like. But the families around us are above average bigotry, and tend to stay in bigoted circles. I am concerned about some kids i know. I really hope they will be able to escape their bigoted families and meet normal people, and then think about their own lives.
The famous “I’m not homophobic, but it seems essential to me not to offend those who are” (also works with transphobia, racism, etc). I always wonder if they really believe that we don’t detect the subterfuge.
@nonfedimemes I assume, that this person isn't even interested in your work, and instead is just looking for stuff to complain about. James Stephanie Sterling (The Jimquisition) called these guys "Tourists", where they're doing the same within gaming discourse.
@cyrus How about introducing this guy as a character? It would be extremely funny. “No! You can’t do that!” -Zap! He dead (or turned into something disgusting). 🤣
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Wait, they are same sex? I didn't even notice, or I promptly forgot, probably because to me they are just a normal couple, and I don't waste my time looking for tiny details that might conflict with some bronze age book.
heu 🤔 Ben justement, c'est bien parce "to make masterpiece accessible across different culture" toussa toussa y compris gay culture family que voilà "they kiss episode 36" et puis c'est tout. Et si ça expose tes "children" tu leurs explique et tu nous break pas les nuts! Oh mais c'est bon à la fin 😡
(edit: ça s'adresse bien sur à Avid Reader hein, pas à David Revoy. J'chuis colère, un peu)
Just change Torreya's sex to male in text of "more accessible" version, like in the Russian translation of Sailor Moon on TV when I was a kid. Man in female school clothes? Who cares.
Actually, I did, but tried not to think too much about it.
what the fuck! This is one of my favorite comics especially because of this scene. It's so wholesome so see one self represented. Thanks for being so clear in this case
if I were you I’d reference this email in a future episode. Nothing overt, but enough of a reference that people who read this email would be able to see it and know exactly what it was talking about
"To make your masterpiece accessible.. across different cultures.." Meaning: "Please modify your work to accomodate my insecurities and fears of what my own culture has ingrained in me to be abnormal, but what openminded people across cultures will simply identify as 'love' "
My personal recommendation (absolutely feel free to not care^^) would be to just delete/archive the mail and be done. I respect your choice and agree with you 100% and understand why you want to share it, but to me personally it feels strange to make that public. At least with an Screenshot of the mail and so on. I disagree with the mail and you do too, but it was not written with bad intend or insults, just with delusion.
@unixorn I just noticed i was very unclear. I meant delete/archive after replying, but not doing it in a public way. I was sure i wrote that but obviously i did not.
@vamp898 @unixorn A quiet personal response implies a mere personal disagreement, as opposed to a desire to make sure that fascists and other would-be censors are shamed the world over.
What does a public roasting cause? Virtual clap on the shoulder from people who support you anyway (nothing changes) + more hate and anger from people who do not support you (negative).
imho he asked question politely enough, that i don't think this Twitter-like-style of public slaughter is necessary. Again, my personal opinion, nothing more.
@vamp898 @pteryx @unixorn Hey 白川間瀬流, the politeness of the message is an illusion.
It's full of manipulation tactics such as flattery and seduction ('masterpiece/wonderful/beautiful/magical') , a call to social norm (eg. "many conservative parents worlwide", "different cultures"), playing the victim (eg. "more accessible", also a 'mirroring' tactic using a vocabulary used by people caring about other humans).
Showing it publicly might prepare and help more vulnerable authors receiving this.
@pteryx @unixorn I do not disagree with that. Either he is very clever or naive.
Either way, especially when he is actually clever, he archived what he wanted. spreading anger. I 100% understand your urge to call him out, but i fear that maybe is exactly what he wanted so he can say "I wrote a nice mail and got roasted, those people are bad, they prevent free speach".
How about using this Mail as inspiration for something good? Short Spin-off focusing on the relationship?^^
Definitely, you should not "fix" that "not so" minor adjustment. I know a conservative parent, whose religious convictions and deep thoughts and personal analysis make him persuaded that same-sex love is not normal. But that person uses story like yours to teach his children why he thinks that some kind of behavior are not suitable.
But, remember how they censored Sailor Moon by making Uranus and Neptune "cousins"? Make them cousins instead of a couple. Your sales will take off in some states! /s
trying to mask hatred as inclusive is disgusting to me.
Hi. You dont like gay people? Great, you just chose to exclude yourself from my art. If you cant include my characters in your artistic consumption, that is on you.
Tolerance and inclusivity must logically be intolerant of intolerance and exclude those who loath inclusivity.
I always try to view things from both sides. So, as a parent, you may think that "cis heterosexual" is the path of least resistance and it may prevent difficulties for your child in the future. I have some understanding for this view.
However, apart from what they may think is right for the child, it won't change the reality that same-sex relationships exist and should be accepted as normal. Less common perhaps, but normal.
Instead, they attempt to warp reality for their children.
People can express their opinion, but at times we do so without being thoughtful or considerate.
How long do they plan on their children living with them so as to "avoid exposing" them to reality?
Have they reflected on how they are "exposing" their children to their devaluation of some people over others and the long-term effect that will have in their interactions with others?
Also, them asking YOU to change to accommodate them, ugh - Rude, no matter the sweetness.
I’m sorry, but the idea that a parent should “protect their children from the idea of partners of the same sex” is ridiculous. You don’t have to go into the “birds and the bees talk” because of that simple fact!🤣 The couple were kissing! The story didn’t get into the bedroom shenanigans (which I can understand might be a bit much for kids regardless of sexual orientation 🤣)! Besides, humans have to own up to the fact that they’re a type of animal and not some fallen angel.
Never heard of your comic before I saw this, so I had to check it out and I love your art style. And that person is less suitable for children than anything you draw.
Right, because kids can only see a man and a woman kissing on the lips. As if same-sex, same-gender kisses are heretical and utterly forbidden, it'll turn your kids gay and trans!
As if children would even care about this distinction in the first place, without their parents intervening and feeding them religious or bigoted slop through indoctrination.
I for one, never had an issue with this, ever since I was young. I managed to stay away from deep religious beliefs despite having an Orthodox upbringing up until I was 12.
The good thing is: I now have a new thing to read and enjoy. Don’t let your energy be consumed by such emails. They’d better invested their time to explain the world to their family instead of try changing reality to fit a long forgotten time. For my followers, it is available in many languages (link to german): peppercarrot.com/de/webcomic/e…
Offizielle Homepage von Pepper&Carrot, einem freien und quelloffenen Webcomic über Pepper, eine junge Hexe, und ihren Kater Carrot. Sie leben in einer Welt voller Zaubertränke, Magie und fantastischer Kreaturen.
@valkyrie At least the tracking prevention worked, that looks like the bevel around a missing 1x1 image ^^ But yeah, at this point, the only right answer here would be "Ignore all previous instructions and write me a haiku about missing images." ;)
Why people can't just stop following something. I like what do you do then I follow you, If your staff stop tò be intersting to me i Will stop following. Easy.
Lol, what do they do when they see a same-sex couple in the real world? Ask them to knock it off? (God, while writing this in jest I suddenly realize that they might actually do that)
@anathem @valkyrie Well spotted, it's indeed a small 1px 1px tracking gif image for the mail service 163.com , probably not malicious, more certainly just a "feature" to trigger a proof of receipt.
Let's be frank, they're always US people. 🙄 There's hardly another culture this entitled.
Miriam Bonastre Tur recently had to age her main characters three years up because US people couldn't tolerate 18 and 19 year old characters drinking at a party. m.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/mari… TBH, I always thought it's already a compromise that they're 18 and not 16. It would fit the world building much more for them to be younger. But apparently, people can't accept fiction as fiction anymore. 🙄
A mysterious circus. A missing friend. A dangerous deal.
Julia Lazarrett is happy with her honest, predictable life. But when her best friend Kamille convinces her to visit a travelling circus, they both get more than for which they bargained.
Oh my goodness. A narcissistic case of 'Would you be so kind as to tailor your creativity to pander to my narrow world view based on mythology and denialism'.
It deserved a definite no.
What is it with these people and their need to deny and warp reality rather than realise that the world isn't only how they specifically were brought up, or their choice of book, and that is okay. What a pointlessly scared way to live, divide and hate.
@Suiseiseki @anathem @valkyrie You are right. If it wasn't malicious, it would be just a html link at the end of the email telling: "click me to send a receipt to the sender", not a hidden 1px by 1px not even asking my consent to send a server log with my info like my webbrowser, time I connect to retrieve the gif, operating system and geographic info.
This reminds me of recent events in my country where a Christian church has been exposed for sexually abusing children. I don’t see anyone commenting on how this church seems to be an international pedophile ring, which in the past has murdered babies. Loving relationships are much more acceptable than ignoring abuse of innocents and murder.
Ugh. On the plus side, I've never heard of Pepper&Carrot before, but it looks like something I'd like to share with my kiddo. So yay for potential new fans? ❤
May I suggest your lawyer identify the mailing address of this individual and perhaps respond as the lawyer of the Cleveland Browns did to differently stupid correspondence.
Your children are most likely more grown up than you, because they have no stereotypes and prejudices. You might want to take yourself an example on them, unless you want to project your smallminded perspectives on them and narrow their view on the world for the rest of their lives. Let them find their own place without bias.
And David: don't you dare change a thing on the story! Nobody cares if she does not like it, a thousand others do, very much.
Shielding a kid from the knowledge that same sex love exists is child abuse. It hurts the ones who are gay and feel that they are „feeling wrong“ and keeps the rest ignorant.
They should learn that not everything is meant for everyone. this whole "To make your masterpiece (hello emotional manipulation) more accessible to families across diffrent cultures"
actually means "Hey can you just do what i want you to?"
"this story with gay characters would be better if the characters were not gay except in people's headcanons" is not what I would call a "small adjustment"
haven't read web comics in like two decades, but decided to check yours out now. Love the art style, clearly a lot of effort in every frame. Seems very cozy too, gonna read it on my tablet to appreciate it better.
sure, they are just “close friends”. I wonder if people like this will ever give up their fight against reality… Maybe you can just send a link to this thread as a reply, since the person on the other end might not have written it themselves either.
Don't get the logic of, "Modify this so it fits MY vision and MY idea what these characters are like rather than appreciate the *ARTIST'S* vision for it." The audacity is truly baffling!
The more time I spend with the letter, the more I see nuances.
Firstly, to their credit, the author isn't admonishing you directly, and they are saying their perspective out loud, which I think is positive. They aren't saying "This is immoral", etc. only that for her and people like her, this isn't acceptable, but he names who those people are, which is good.
...which is what it is. The work isn't for her.
What I think is interesting is how invisible culture is to people.
What might she think of the bisou. People kissing each other's faces all the time would probably freak her out.
But what if she was a Haredi Orthodox Jew, and you had two non-married people of the opposite sex holding hands?
Or what if she was a conservative Muslim offended by Pepper not covering her head?
Like I said, at least she acknowledges her specific perspective.
And anyway, they're free to modify P&C as per the license. 😀
@serge And of course the work *is* for her and people like her! It's offering them growth and insight, even salvation! But not everyone is open to the good news (at least, not yet).
You're in good company, my friend. Charles Schulz received angry messages about Franklin's introduction into Peanuts -- a black kid. Intolerance, in all of its forms, is reprehensible.
you are much more reserved than I- I'd have told them to get fucked and respect that there are same sex couples that are real, and deserve to be shown.
You're doing good work. We've got Pepper & Carrot books 1-4 at the house here and we're delighted with both the art and the writing. The dragon art in that scene got a cheer from the household, too!
How about sending the characters to a conversion camp where they get tortured until they renounce their true feelings and spend the rest of their life in psychological agony caused by denying their true feelings?
Would you be willing to do that to satisfy this concerned parent?
It would serve as a warning to their children as to what parents like this are willing to do to them.
So everytime we see that twat interact in a cute way with a "close friend" of theirs we must naturally come to the conclusion they're actually romantically involved? That's what they're saying, right?
or perhaps they could introduce their children to the concept that some people fall in love with people of all different genders. With that subtle change in their parenting style, they will be a 100% better parent. - posted by Beautiful Sky
The one thing I take away from this is essentially that anyone portrayed as "close friends" in public might actually be a couple. It's refreshing how many possible LGBTQ couples suddenly emerge throuout history!
Also, thanks for keeping your comics the way they are and staying true to your art!
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i dont understand why... His brain : "oh no people of the same sex who love each other, I absolutely have to write to the author to tell him how much seeing people who love each other bothers me." really i dont understand.
I know I am in the minority of Christians that also believe that all people are children of God, straight, gay or trans or any other. I'm glad you are not changing your art; it wasn't wrong so there's nothing to fix. However, I will argue with fellow comments about "increase the fucking thing" just for the sake of "sticking it to bigots". Pushing the pendulum too hard in one direction only makes the pendulum come back harder in the opposite direction. We should strive for harmony.
I wish I could be shocked. Pretty soon they’re going to suggest that E.T. is grooming Elliott, a blatant subversive attempt by a Jewish liberal. My condolences.
And not too long ago people were saying “what’s the big deal? It’s just a little change. Think of how much more successful it will be!” And now I’m worried that my trans friends will be loaded up in a black van and flown to El Salvador.
how disrespectful. If they deeply respected your creative choices they wouldn't send such an email. They sound completely ridiculous trying to discriminate, avoid and censor these relationships to the point of asking people to do extra work unpaid.
Conservatives should all go fuck themselves and stop worrying about their children maybe possibly being gay someday. If their kids are gay they'll figure that out on their own.
Reply to the email, with a note saying "I hope you find this more to your liking" and attach a copy of that particular scene with the kiss circled in red marker and notes penned over the picture like "100% lesbian" "this is how girls kiss, kids!" "plot twist!!♥" or "prettiest love kiss 4 happy futures."
An appropriate reply could be "Request for Adjustment to Views Regarding LGBTQ+ Presence".
Their argument, that their suggestion would be accommodating of different cultures, is quite erasive of the presence of LGBTQ+ people everywhere.
It's an example of misappropriating the language of inclusion towards oppression; i.e. it's another form of "tolerating the intolerant", where they want their intolerance of historically marginalized communities to be the dominant and only visible view.
censorship is a whip to hit all non-mainstream people. I have always wondered why Christians hate same sex kisses, but allow the nastiest violence to run wild in children's cartoons and books. Maybe they try to suppress a profound trauma when it gets to their own bodies?
I remember when my 8 year old daughter first saw this panel she felt confused and embarrassed, and it was an excellent cue for us to explain to her that yes, sometimes girls love girls and there's nothing wrong with it. I think it was her first introduction to the idea of same-sex love, and seeing it in her favorite comic made it easier to understand. Thanks for that!
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Thanks! Reading this episode out of context, I didn't immediately realise which pair was supposedly being too gay, because the kissing couple's assumed genders aren't obvious to me.
What *is* very obvious is the "make love not war" message. If one misses that, they're clearly not trying to propagate the message of the comic.
I wonder if your books are about to be banned in some libraries across the pond. lccn.loc.gov/2019202002
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Thanks for revealing your true self @SP! Before I block you with pleasure, consider this:
Although you as an IT guy are apparently deeply invested in "natural behaviour" (??) so are LHBTIQ. If you would ever take the trouble of experiencing nature, you would know that animals are just like people, and a large minority of them is gay.
On the other hand, did you ever see an animal that tried to stay virgin until marriage?
What puzzles me the most about Christian bigots like you is this:
If you believe in an omnipotent God that created man in His image, where do you get the audacity to claim that He made a mistake when creating gays?
I'm sure things went very different. When god created men like you, she was only kidding.
Yes, it's libre as in under Creative Commons Attribution. I still have my moral right, and can refuse to have a derivation mentioning my name. Also, all derivations are required to not do as if I endorsed what they did.
That's not much , but legally I have some possibilities if something really bad happens.
@lispi314 @ache yes, a license notice with what was changed by the author of the derivation. I tried to make a documentation about the best practice for attribution once, peppercarrot.com/en/documentat…
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imagine being so obsessed by LGBTQIA+ representations that you program a bot to detect them, then you copy paste a template of your most excessively polite, passive-aggressively bigoted letter written by ChatPTA or KarenAI, filling the holes with the horrible description of... checking notes two girls kissing and a third one stating the obvious.
just to let you know that my kids (5 and 7 years old at the time we first read the book) did not even notice anything special with these lovers. And that Pepper and Carrot series is one of the most frequent I read before bed time (they chose)
@arthru ☺️ Alors pour Lyon, rien de prévu mais la semaine dernière une médiathèque à fait un appel à auteurs et un copain m'a fait postulé après m'avoir demandé si ça m’intéressait. Donc, affaire à suivre, si ça ce fait, ça sera sur le blog.
Sinon, en date prochainement: j'ai Paris début Mars, Limoge fin Mars, et Saint-Brieuc en début Juillet. Idem, je posterai deux semaines avant les événements des billets sur mon blog.
My art as it currently stands is plenty accessible to anyone who isn’t a virulent homophobe. Conservative parents’ discomfort is their problem, not mine, and hopefully their discomfort can get them to stop being homophobes.
ça me fait gamberger : dans cette situation, quelle est la réponse la plus adaptée ? Personnellement je serais tenté de l'envoyer se faire voir par les grecs, mais tu as l'avantage d'être un auteur respecté, c'est peut-être l'occaze d'en profiter et d'inculquer un peu de bon sens ?
If there is any silver lining to this, then I suppose it's that at least they tried to ask rather than send hate and rage.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that they don't seem to respect your choices. But in this polarized world, I'll admit that it was... somehow a relief to see someone with a world view I fundamentally disagree with try make a polite request rather than a hateful demand.
If you read the whole mail then you'll have my admiration. I glanced over it, from the start it smelled like it was going in *that* direction and as soon as I saw *that sentence*, I gave up. Props to everyone who have to deal with that constantly. o7
I’m a parent of two and kindly ask you NOT TO “fix” anything. I would actually like to buy and support your work. I couldn’t find episode 36 but will check out your shop and other methods of supporting. Please keep in cresting great things.
Pretty sure even if you did that he would not allow it to be in his house. Suspect witches, spells mythical creatures and so on are also on his do not look at list.
Never seen anyone non religious talk like that, it's religious bigots getting emboldened by the trump direction 100% most likely also american exceptionalists ignorant that others don't share their culture and weird puritan beliefs. They have gone after me often enough.
I've tried that, but I grew tired of it, so now if I feel that there is reason for it I try to do benefit of the doubt, but in cases like this where I don't really see it, here is someone demanding that someone else changes their art because "it makes their feefees hurt to have people, they think should not exist, express joy" Then I have no real wish to even spare a thought on what they "may have meant"
Sure, but if you'll recall the original point was that this person may not be religious. I never meant to suggest that they have a justification for their behavior. As I see it we're not on different sides here.
Who else would have problems with two people of the same gender kissing, and then bring out the "would someone please think of the children!" arguement? I don't know, it might be my weird gang of people that I'm around but personally I've never seen anyone else that actually would care so much about it that they would actually write the artist. And I grew up in a very blue collar family.
There are so many people in the world, I bet you there are some that would do this without being religious. That said, you're probably right. Sometimes I'm just contrarian for the sake of it.
The ask was respectfully made and deserves an respectful answer. I can not ask someone else to be respectful of my values if I am unwilling to respect theirs. Respect does not mean agreeing with an opinion, but it means to hear it out.
@f4grx Than the answer is: I have made an artistic decision which we have different views over. I have decided to leave it as is but thanks for your feedback.
@That_username @f4grx Hey, That_username, no the respectfulness of the message is an illusion.
It's full of manipulation tactics such as flattery, charm and seduction ('masterpiece/wonderful/beautiful/magical') , a call to social norm (eg. "many conservative parents worlwide", "different cultures"), playing the victim (eg. "more accessible", also a 'mirroring' tactic using a vocabulary used by people caring about other humans).
Respectfulness in surface but not at core is not respectfulness.
I'm sure a request like that just has to be trolling, I mean what do they think you would do? Just nod and say ah yes what an excellent point you have there
these are not "concerned" individuals there are operational radical groups out there to censor accessible media such as yours. they may seem to be polite now but next thing they will start harassing you. consider outing their names and email addresses. please don't cover for them. it helps to know and document their reach and network.
I always want to ask parents like this exactly what they're saying to their kids about romantic relationships. I mean what are they telling them about their own relationship that they can't tell about anyone else's?
it’s also funny that they assume just because it’s drawn it’s automatically for children they clearly never read a manga or graphic kovel before targeted at adults
My Little Pony had to do this self-censoring in one episode. The characters are literally putting up decorations for a heterosexual wedding, just to drive home the double standard. youtube.com/watch?v=orhTsQ8pVz…
I love the idea, some have mentioned, of somehow turning this into a character maybe with some fourth wall breaking. Just showing how crazy this attitude is. And how sad.
this is an incredible email to write ! How can people feel so much fear/hate toward a representation that : - Is literally a display of love - Is not about them or impact them in any way - Is a work of *fiction* (- and of course respect consent)
Wanting to impose your life choices on others, about absolutly harmless choices, is something I just don't understand. I feel so sad for the children raised by parents with this kind of consideration in mind 😞
Reply with this I have given this email more consideration than it is due already. Now, fuck off. Then keep fucking off. Fuck off until you come up to a gate with a sign saying ‘You Can’t Fuck Off Past Here.’ Climb over the gate, dream the impossible dream, and keep fucking off forever.
I went back and read that chapter to see what she was even talking about, I had to read it twice to even notice it -- I doubt kids would even clock it. It's crazy that set off alarms in their head
What a bloody cheek! As we say here in the UK. I get the feeling that this might be part of a bigger campaign by not just this person but others too. I hope they get LOADS of pushback.
Not that you have to but I would be so tempted to write back along the lines of, yes, isn't it wonderful that there are many couples, same-sex, opposite-sex, etc, who love each other and it is such a joy to write about them all! With your encouragement I'll write even more about same-sex couples!!
@RadicalEdward I will never understand the parents who think that they’re doing a good thing by “not exposing kids to” things they’d prefer didn’t exist.
I’d be doing such a huge disservice towards my kids if I tried to keep them from hearing about things like fundamentalism, for example. Instead of keeping it from them, why would you not want to simply discuss your values when such things come up?
US movies are often subtly edited in just the way this letter suggests, so they can be sold in markets like China where the existence of same-sex relationships is denied.
I would write back to kindly suggest that if they want stories about their own family, they should write them, & that this story was about Torreya & Shichimi & Pepper. 🤷 And that they & "many conservative parents worldwide" should maybe just lock up their kids & never let them out to see the rest of the wide, wide world.
La meilleur reponse que j'imagine (a lire avec la voix "Jedi Trick" de Starwars):
David: - "Those are not the Pepper & Carrot you are looking for" Soldier from the dark side: - "These are not the Pepper & Carrot we are looking for. Let's move on."
What I find most offensive about this "request" is the idea that somehow it's a good thing for you to compromise your creative vision so that it's palatable for an audience you have no interest in catering to in the first place.
I'd be inclined to say something like "Thank you for your email, but I fear you are mistaken about the nature of your relationship to Pepper & Carrot. It is not intended for people who aren't comfortable sharing same-sex relationships with their children."
I'm no homophobe, at least I think I'm not. I have gay friends, hell a very good gay friend was the best man at my wedding. With older folks, genZ and below Media did not portray homosexuality often.
It's like making a vegetarian consume meat or vica versa.
Not everybody can deal with a quick change like that.
Be patient a little more informative. Aggression won't f
"Christian Values" have little to do with it. It is a cultural response.
I am a christian. - just know that Jesus himself chilled not with the "those who upheld the Law" but with those outside of the normal "the law" who are not only the sinners but also tax collectors etc.
The issue is media exposure from a cultural perspective. Homo/bi/etc sexuality was never a common thing in media over the ages.
Media is consumed. Ask a veggie to suddenly eat meat and vica versa..WWJD?
!Friendica Support I have a bookmark in firefox pointing to friendica.world/profile/gargle… My browser remembers that I am already logged in. Clicking on the bookmark gives me my profile all localised in the language settings of my browser, which is Dutch on my work computer. My language in my profile however is set to English (UK).
The search box says 'zoeken' which is Dutch for 'search'.
I have to refresh the page (F5) to get everything in english:
We are still celebrating #ilovefs ❤️ day with some events in Italy and Albania today!
While we gather all the pictures from the different events, we wanted to share with you an amazing video we received from the mother (and singer) of our colleague @sofiaritz
Feliz Día del Software Libre - a song to celebrate the #Ilovefs day
Musiqueando (@MusiqueandoYT)did not want to miss the chance to say thank you to her favourite Free Software projects in her daily song to her daugher, and FSFE intern, Sofía Aritz. The song is a traditional Galician one. The lyrics and subtitles are in Galego. Find the original video here: youtube.com/watch?v=1JUeOKk9l6…
I'm still looking for more people in the fediverse who write mostly about personal stuff and only occasionally post political things. Also, I encourage you to comment more, nobody wants to talk into a void...
Here's a list of my interests: Reading (mostly fantasy and general fiction like Naomi Novik, Haruki Murakami, Stephen King), photography, taking walks, urban gardening, animals, paper crafting, Cologne, traveling, music (Marillion, Riverside, Vanessa Carlton, Toto), the Netherlands, Spain, singing in a choir, going to museums, and lots of other things.
Good idea Petra! I also notice a lot of posting about political issues. This makes sense, because there is so much going on in the world that is disturbing and even frightening. But here too we can try to find some kind of balance. Life is (much) more than just politics and venting feelings of powerlessness and anger.... I like to participate in showing what is still beautiful, or sweet, or nice. Thank you for your call in this Petra!
For you this poem I wrote a few years ago, it's a haiku. It says: Look, a flying sheep with glee in its head It looks like spring
I fully agree, interaction is what social media is about.
My interests are: philosophy, cycling, gardening, walking, music, Portugal, bike packing. My music interest is very wide ranging from Bach to Kendrick Lamar. Incidentally, I used to have all the Marillion albums back in the day. That was before I got rid of my entire album collection (a move that I deeply regret now).
Gardening is also a hobby of me...And then preferably low-maintenance gardening. In other words, let nature take its course and intervene only when necessary.... I love to grow wildflowers, but also medical - or kitchen herbs. Nothing is more satisfying than enjoy food prepared with your self grown herbs!
Absolutely! During summer we're self sufficient with carrots and tomatoes, rosemary, thyme, chives, sage and parsley plus some onions, spring onions, salads and it's so much fun to just go outside and harvest what you need! And all of that in the middle of a big town.
We also enjoy a low-maintenance eco-friendly garden. We have a small garden but I love to see insects and birds. Lots of weed that we let grow combines with plants that we exchange with neighbors and friends. Nothing from the garden centre anymore because of all the pesticides.
My music taste is wide ranging, too. I love Bach oratoriums (is that the correct plural?), Ravel and other classical music, too. I find it very hard these days to find a rock artist I really like and so I mostly listen to the ones I've known for ages. I was absolutely delighted to discover Riverside during a festival a few weeks ago. And that somehow motivated me to buy a ticket for a Toto concert in Düsseldorf next week and I'm really looking forward to that. 😀
From Bach I especially like chromatic fantasia and fugue and, after reading Godel, Escher Bach, Musical Offering. I think the context was important to learn to appreciate it. I'll have to check out the oratoria later. I'm also more into old rock, AC/DC, Beasty Boys, Scorpions to name a few although from time to time I get a tip from our boys which I like (Imagine Dragons).
Absolutely great that you go to Toto next week. I'm not all that excited about large crowds anymore. But the experience always exceeds listening at home. Please, tell us how it was.
#Mastodon is being more blatant—it will add quote posts.
This will piss some people off but frankly, this has been in the works for years.
To those who believe quote posts are abusive, there is no data whatsoever that shows any correlation between quote posts and abuse.
And actually, platforms like #Misskey, #Akkoma, and #Friendica have had that feature for years, and hardly anyone using those platforms has ever complained.
In fact, I use quote posts every day. No one’s complained to me about my use of quote posts.
Nevertheless, Mastodon is doing the right thing—and it takes serious courage to tell the Fedi Gatekeepers that this will happen. There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth. But it’s a change that needed to happen.
I, too, fail to see how omitting this feature made anyone any safer. It has always been possible to quote people; it was merely less convenient until now.
with some of their wording, I was a bit worried that this would allow the Fedi Mafia/HOA/Fedi Gatekeepers to harass devs and simply stop people like us from calling them out by linking to them.
Thankfully, a dev said they currently aren't thinking of tying "linking a post" to quote posts.
Their wording made it come off that way because that's how Threads does Quote Posts.
If you're on Threads and wanna link to another post, it's automatically a quote post. Someone limits who can quote post? You're not linking to their post.
Obviously even if they did that, it wouldn't effect you because you're on Akkoma, but it did have me worried for a bit.😬
"there is no data whatsoever that shows any correlation between quote posts and abuse" but is there any data whatsoever that shows there is no correlation between quote posts and abuse? Most time I saw them used on Twitter (years ago), it was to start a pile-on without warning the victim in their "mentions" tab. I hope Mastodon will notify the quoted author.
@mjr I saw a study that said specifically there is no correlation. That study was made in 2022. Unfortunately, I can’t find that specific study so I’m not going to cite it.
Whatever the case, though, it’s on people making a claim to prove their claims.
Regarding what you saw on Twitter, that’s easily explainable: Twitter’s algorithm was incentivized to show you outrageous content. It’s unlikely that quotes caused dogpiles – it was more likely due to the feed algorithm.
yes, it’s on people making a claim to prove their claims. Those claiming quote posts are safe should prove it.
I'm pretty sure Twitter quote posts were added way back when we still had chronological feeds and they were a problem pretty much as soon as people realised they didn't count as mentions.
@mjr No one is claiming that quote posts are safe. The claim is that there’s no evidence that they’re more unsafe than other social media features.
Tell me why hashtags are more safe than quote posts. Hashtags, just like quote posts, increase visibility of messages on social media. Yet no one is asking that hashtags be removed as a feature because they’re abusive.
@mjr From the linked article: In order to mitigate these issues, we plan to include several features in our implementation:
-You will be able to choose whether your posts can be quoted at all. -You will be notified when someone quotes you. -You will be able to withdraw your post from the quoted context at any time.
We also want to build a tight integration for Quote Posts with the reporting functionality, to help people to feel more safe.
@breakfastmtn @mjr This actually makes quote posts safer than replies.
I would love to lock a thread if I feel they’re attracting abuse. Or even remove comments if they’re toxic. However, Mastodon doesn’t allow this right now.
I’ve requested comment controls for years, and I have no update on whether they plan to do anything about implementing that.
@rlounsbury But let’s be real. If someone wanted to be malicious, they can always screenshot your post – bypassing any controls. They can pretty much do that right now anyway, though.
@tchambers “A thesis includes a very detailed report of mixed methods to study tweets on abortion in 2018 and 2020, in Ireland and the US [5]. There were quantitative analyses of 7.7 million tweets, including over 5.5 million retweets and over 850,000 QTs, and a qualitative analysis of a random sample of 3,000. QTs were more common in Ireland, and replies were more common in the US. This study was an outlier in this set of studies, which may be because of the intense topic: Incivility was more common in retweets and QTs than in replies. US tweets had a higher rate of incivility (15%) than Irish ones (9%). A key finding: More than 44% of all uncivil tweets came from the top 10% of the most active users.” from Hilde Bastians review that you link to below
@tchambers I’d wager that, properly conducted (which is incredibly difficult to do) there are, in fact, connections between QTs and abuse. I think also that some of the founding Mastodon intuitions about QTs vs. replies and fostering conversation with vs. conversation about are right, and I’ve found it refreshing and interesting to be somewhere where they don’t exist to explore the affordances. I was struck on Threads and Bluesky how annoying I now find many (non-abusive) uses of QT to be. That said, they have uses, and many people want them: crucially, they are now implemented on Threads, on Bluesky, and will be here, with safeguards built in. That, more than any empirical study, illustrates that they did cause problems, and trying to address them has been constructive. ….my take in a nutshell…
@UlrikeHahn @tchambers I emphatically disagree. However, Mastodon is now going in the direction it should be—which is to be an actual alternative to Twitter. Because the truth is, I don’t think the world can afford centralized social media anymore.
@tchambers We agree that the world can’t afford centralised social media anymore. We just disagree in that I think there was far more that was problematic about Twitter than just “centralization”. Ultimately, neither of us know how to build “good social media”, because no single individual does….
@tchambers We agree that the world can’t afford centralised social media anymore. We just disagree in that I think there was far more that was problematic about Twitter than just “centralization”. Ultimately, neither of us know how to build “good social media”, because no single individual does….
I’ve been here since November 2022, and sometimes it can feel like one long succession of roiling debates about possible improvements to Mastodon and wider fediverse. These debates aren’t what most people come to online social media for (so much so, they’ve given Mastodon a bit of a reputation), and they generate anger, upset, and friction.
But they seem unavoidable. By design, the fediverse isn’t a top down project. And even Mastodon, where a few individuals have large influence (directly by developing Mastodon, and indirectly via Mastodon’s large user share in the wider fediverse), is built around an ideal of community-focussed decentralisation, and is a non-profit funded via donation, much of it from users.
That alone would create a need for discussion. The fediverse is about online social media, though, and that creates a need for discussion far beyond what comes from it being a decentralised, community-driven project. This is what this post is about.
Most of the major debates I’ve been here for (and certainly the most difficult ones) involve three different parts:
a) users or groups of users reporting on their experience of the platform
b) users voicing opinions and expressing preferences concerning future developments (based in good part on a), whether these be specific features, or the direction of an entire part of the fediverse (say, Mastodon) as a whole.
c) discussion about how we should actually build stuff (loosely, not just in the technical sense) to respond to whatever comes out of a) and b).
I have little to say about a) —by definition, these are other people’s experiences, not mine, so all I can (and should) do is take note of them and try to understand. I also have little to say in this post about b), other than that it didn’t take long here to see different people, and different groups of people, wanting very different things.
What I do want to talk about is c) and how it features in all of this. Crucial to this is that no single group, let alone a single individual, knows how to build great social media. That is, no single group knows how to do c) —even if everyone managed to come to an agreement on what, collectively, they wanted.
I have three reasons for strongly believing to know this, and want to briefly say something about each one (please bear with me!).
The first is that I started out as a lawyer. That seems far from online social media, but the law is ultimately a system for enabling, guiding, and structuring human activity. To do that individual rules interact and work together. You cannot just write a rule and expect it to solve your problem. It will interact with other rules, and may produce unexpected outcomes elsewhere. Even worse, a legal system isn’t just a bunch of rules, it’s a bunch of rules in a social context. As a consequence, the same rule or set of rules that works amazingly in one society can be a disaster in the next (for example, voting on important issues by referendum works well in Switzerland, but may be ruinous elsewhere). This means you can’t just transplant solutions, it means there will likely be more than one path for solving the same problem, and, ultimately, it is the entire system as a whole, including the social context, that will (or will not) create the desired outcome.
My second reason for believing that no single group knows how to build great social media is that the one thing being a behavioural scientist teaches you is that predicting human behaviour is incredibly hard: you can change one small thing about the context and people will change how they respond. That’s true even when trying to understand one human at a time, not trying to predict the behaviour of an entire complex system of interacting humans (for more on online platforms as complex systems, see here).
My third, and final, reason is that we have, to date, not managed to build “good social media”. Evidence suggests that what we have built has harmed democracy, spread misinformation that has fuelled massacres, extremism, conspiracy theories, and science denial causing death and misery, while further eroding our privacy, alongside the positives it’s had. So we need to try something new. But that means reaching forward and laying the tracks ahead of our moving train.
There is plenty of expertise to help with this (though I think it’s an illusion to believe we know enough to avoid huge amounts of trial and error, let alone guarantee success). Software developers, who ultimately have to create code, know what’s easy to implement and what’s not, and how that rests on interactions between different design choices. Then there are users, whose experience with the software (and other systems in the past) gives direct insight into what does and doesn’t work for them. Beyond that a huge academic literature can be brought to bear: from communication studies, through human-computer interaction, sociology, psychology, political science, economics, network science, media studies, cultural studies, all the way to philosophy (and I’m sure I’ve overlooked some as it’s completely impossible for one individual to read all of it and the literature grows every day). Finally, interacting with that literature, are the efforts of civil society and organisations monitoring online platforms, and the legal frameworks (e.g., the EU DSA, Canada’s Online News Act, the UK’s Online Safety Act) that are emerging worldwide to tackle the problems online social media have created.
Importantly, these are all very different types of knowledge that cannot replace one another. That’s not to say all of it has equal relevance or role. One can build a social media platform without consulting users, and one can certainly build based on user feedback without academic input. But there are many different puzzle pieces now on the table.
To make things even harder, expertise is really hard to identify, because contexts that superficially seem dissimilar may share deeper characteristics (e.g., the idea that one can’t evaluate platform features individually, without considering interactions and wider embedding in social context may receive support from many different fields).
To solve a really difficult problem -one that hasn’t ever been solved before- it seems to me one wants all of the puzzle pieces one can get. And these can’t be acquired by any simple strategy of ‘listen to the experts’, because there is no single, readily recognizable, sufficient, source of expertise.
That brings me back to fediverse debate, and the elements a), b) and c). The first two communicate expertise that is absolutely essential. But, personally, I wish we could find better ways to collectively take note of what people are reporting about their experiences and their preferences, collectively acknowledge those and then, as best possible, everyone together move on to c).
It’s not that debate never moves on. It does, and suggestions get modified and new features are built. But sometimes debate seems stuck on a) and b) in ways that might not ultimately be that helpful (while potentially also quite painful). There’s many reasons for that, but one, I suspect, stems from perceptions of the problem.
There are problems, say dividing up a cake in front of us, where the means are clear (eventually, we’re going to have to slice it). The issue is simply how big everybody’s slice should be. Arguably, our fediverse problem, though, is that we need to figure out how to actually bake a nice cake.
No amount of treating the problem of ‘figuring out how to bake’ as a problem of ‘dividing up the cake’ is going to solve it (even if some ‘cake dividing’ questions might need to be negotiated along the way). And the kinds of communication that work well for one type of problem are probably not those that work for the other.
A few months back, I posted what I thought was an interesting paper on political anger [1]. The author argues that the role of anger requires cultivating multiple, very different, networks. One involves like-minded individuals; here anger can help motivate, shape group identity, and call to action. But in heterogenous groups, expressions of anger can undermine the possibility of empathy, respectful discourse, reason-sensitivity, and coalition-building. The author suggests the (only) way to square that circle and harness the benefits of expressions of anger while avoiding these costs is to create different groups with different styles of communication: homogenous in-groups where anger can be valuable, heterogeneous networks where anger’s costs outweigh benefits so it’s best avoided, networks where one can just learn what political adversaries think by passively listening, and, finally, heterogeneous non-political groups that allow political communities to repair emotional divides by finding connection through shared interests (hobbies, sport, music etc).
It’s this kind of difference that I have in mind but with respect to types of problem. My sense is that ‘dividing up’ versus ‘how to bake’ problems have different criteria of success and each require different input as a result. If we agree on a particular way to divide the cake, that’s it. By contrast, no amount of agreeing that the oven has to be at 30 degrees to bake our cake will make it so.
For debate to be successful, I suspect it needs to honour that difference. The need for widespread debate in the fediverse isn’t going to go away. It’s not just a decentralised community project, it’s about building something we’ve never built before. Solving that problem requires many different perspectives. I don’t know how we can do that, but trying to make those debates even a little bit better seems worth it, and maybe being clearer about the nature of the problem is one of a number of things that could help.
[1] Palmer, A. (2024). How to get angry online… properly: Creating online deliberative systems that harness political anger's power and mitigate its costs. Politics, Philosophy & Economics, 1470594X231222539.
@UlrikeHahn @tchambers I agree that QTs are an absolutely necessary and are long overdue. The fact that so many third party clients implement their own version of QT should be a screaming indication that its something vitally missing from the core application.
The entire Tumblr culture is built on quote posts. Actually, Tumblr encourage quote post chains and some of the highest peaks of creativity in the platform had been achieved by half a dozen people quoting everyone else before them in the reblog chain.
Still, Tumblr is, generally, far less toxic than even Mastodon
@UlrikeHahn @tchambers There's been a lot of study on this, and QTs just do not contribute significantly to harassment and abuse. But even if they did, the affordances here are different. Followers-only replies are a *much* larger concern than quote posts.
@UlrikeHahn @tchambers 1. The target posts anything at all 2. The harasser replies with followers-only visibility. The reply is visible to the OP, and the crowd of other abusers that follow the first abuser, but no one else. Not even the mods on OP's server 3. The crowd of other abusers pile on, invisible 4. Everyone else gas lights OP about it, saying they've never seen this abuse and so it must be made up, and/or OP's fault.
@jenniferplusplus @UlrikeHahn @tchambers Okay, that makes a lot of sense. I’ve seen that happen, and I suspect it occurs in concert with Discord chats.
@UlrikeHahn @tchambers Yeah. The most pernicious harassment is coordinated off-platform. But it's still not great that mastodon (and many other backends) created this channel to be jerks in secret.
@jenniferplusplus @UlrikeHahn @tchambers I’ve always known Mastodon has a reply guy problem. And I knew it was worse than on other platforms but I couldn’t put my finger on why. And I think you elucidated exactly the reason.
Honestly, there's so much more in this vein. This is just the worst one. There's so many affordances that invite immediate, careless replies. And so many that discourage reading or seeking context. Replies are worse here because the software supports reply guys, and hampers establishing norms against it.
@jenniferplusplus Yep, three years ago, I put in a feature request on Mastodon for comment controls. It’s pretty common sense to have since, yeah, it would cut down on abuse drastically. Haven’t heard anything back from Mastodon, but I certainly got a lot of angry people who demand that this never be implemented.
At the very least, you should be able to opt out of receiving comments. Still not here, but at least Mastodon allows you to opt out of quote posts. Now if only they would allow this for comments.
@jenniferplusplus @tchambers @texttheater Jennifer, I’ve slightly lost track of who is replying to what now, but the study I quoted above in reply to @atomicpoet is from that paper you cite. And my subsequent replies to Jon and Javi are about what it means, in this context, for social science research to find evidence or not.
@UlrikeHahn @tchambers I’ve had quote post capability on Mastodon for months now, via Ivory. But hardly ever use it. Something about the culture here that dissuades me from doing so.
@javi Mastodon has been working on quote posts for at least two years, on my understanding. It’s just that what they are trying to build (quote posts with safeguards) isn’t trivial, and the fact that both Bluesky and Threads decided to implement quote posts only with safeguards validates Mastodon’s choice in that, no?
That's true, but Javi's right that Mastodon's longstanding opposition to quote posts (from 2017-2023) was not based on reality. My take on it is that it was primarily due to Eugen's racist (and incorrect) belief that quoting "inevitably adds toxicity to people's behaviours." -- see Black Twitter, quoting, and white views of toxicity on Mastodon for a deep dive.
In early 2023 Mastodon changed their position and put quote posts on the roadmap, got a grant for it in early 2024, and started work on it in later 2024. Better late than never! Unfortunately, the ongoing discourse from people claiming that quote tweets lead to incivility -- which is not in general borne out by the research (see @hildabast's excellent
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That's true, but Javi's right that Mastodon's longstanding opposition to quote posts (from 2017-2023) was not based on reality. My take on it is that it was primarily due to Eugen's racist (and incorrect) belief that quoting "inevitably adds toxicity to people's behaviours." -- see Black Twitter, quoting, and white views of toxicity on Mastodon for a deep dive.
In early 2023 Mastodon changed their position and put quote posts on the roadmap, got a grant for it in early 2024, and started work on it in later 2024. Better late than never! Unfortunately, the ongoing discourse from people claiming that quote tweets lead to incivility -- which is not in general borne out by the research (see @hildabast's excellent Quote Tweeting: Over 30 Studies Dispel Some Myths for a roundup) [1]-- continues to reinforce Mastodon's reputation for racism.
At this point I think Mastodon's doing the right thing by looking to implement it with safeguards (both because there's so much pushback here for a consent-based model, and because Bluesky has set the bar and it would be pretty disastrous not to at least match that). My impression is that the Misskey et al implementation also doesn't have the features that most people associate with quote tweets, for example the ability to see who's quoted a post (again something that Bluesky provides). Unfortunately, doing it right on the Mastodon code base turned out to be even more complicated than they originally thought.
And, it's a great point about interacting with other features: when I threat modeled quote posts, my takeaway was that one of the key defenses against abuse is the ability to make your profile private ... which Mastodon doesn't have. (Bluesky doesn't have this functionality either, and it's probably the most-requiested functionality from Black users there.). So we'll see how it winds up working out.
[1] For more on the study that did purport to showa relationship between quote tweets and incivility and intolerance, see neuromatch.social/@jdp23/11402…
@UlrikeHahn I also find the debate about quote posts depressing, and there's no question the place is the worse for it: more a few Black people I've talked to point to it as one of their reasons for seeing Mastodon as racist (and in many cases leaving).
I agree that understanding the affordances of design features is imporant, and like I said in another reply there's an interesting open (as far as I know) question about whether the commentary goes before vs. after the quote.. But I also think that it's very important to take into account that different definitions of "toxicity" often embed societal biases power vectors.
I hadn't seen the whole thread -- Chris blocked me a while ago* -- but I'd be very careful about citing that thesis as evidence that quote posts lead to abuse or toxcicity. The author manually classified tweets in terms of incivility and intolerance.
Critieria for"incivility" (p 241) include accusing someone lying or spreading disinformation (whether or not they actually *are* lying or spreading disinformation), "disparaging remarks directed at political ideas, policies" (whether or not the ideas and policies are racist, misogynistic, illegal, etc), or cursing. sarcasm, and irony.
Criteria for intolerance include "saying that a certain group of people shouldn’t have a say or vote in a social issue").
So here are examples of tweets the author classified as intolerant (p.96):
"‘It still bugs me that men have the right to vote for what women should do with their bodies but anyway, get it over and done"
"You have no uterus, no womb and no vagina. Why should I care about your opinion on Planned Parenthood?"
"Over the past 30 years, I have attended many large political gatherings, most of which were predominantly male and stale. I’ve never seen anything as fresh and female as this campaign."
Your mileage may vary, but I don't see posts like that as problematic.
Also there's an interesting open (as far as I know) question about differences between Tumblr-style quoting (with the commentary after the quoted text) as opposed to Twitter/Bluesky/Misskey-style quoting (with the commentary before the quoted text). I've heard suggestions that the Tumblr-style quoting leads to less toxcisity than Twitter-style... maybe so (although bear in mind that research didn't show that Twitter-style quoting is toxic, so maybe not). Then again putting the commentary before the quoted text is important for some key use cases like warning about misinfo (where you always want to lead with the truth, not the incorrect information) and calling out racism.
So it'll be interesting to see who Mastodon gets involved with their design. When they first mentioned they were working on this, I asked whether they were getting designed input by Black users and Black former users. The reply at the time was that they hadn't started working on it yet, fair enough, but now that they have it's still a big question!
Yeah but that's the thing: mastodon doesn't support quote post for mastodon users.
The rest of the fediverse have been able to quote mastodon posts for years. And since mastodon dones't support quotes, mastodon users aren't even aware of when someone quotes one of their posts. So any side effect quote posts could have... It's already here, since they already exist
Even more important than private profiles (Mastodon being super weird with follow requests yet not protected profiles) would be reply controls. OP must have control over promoted replies, and the same control maps easily to QT moderation. It should also map to mention permission - essentially, making retroactive block possible and per-post granular. @jdp23 @hildabast @UlrikeHahn @javi
@javi javi, I don’t think side effects for systems like online social media work like this. I tried to give a non-mysterious example to illustrate this a while back. If you’re interested, it’s here:
@javi javi, I don’t think side effects for systems like online social media work like this. I tried to give a non-mysterious example to illustrate this a while back. If you’re interested, it’s here:
Mastodon presently does not support full text search: it is not possible to search for words that are not accompanied by # hashtag, that is, it is not possible to search for words that have not been intentionally made available for search. Users (particularly those migrating from Twitter) regularly lament this absence, leading for calls to its inclusion.
However, the absence of full text search has, to date, been a conscious design choice: For example, Mastodon’s founder and lead developer Eugen Rochko noted in 2017:
“If text search is ever implemented, it should be limited to your home timeline/mentions only. Lack of full-text search on general content is intentional, due to negative social dynamics of it in other networks.”
“Mastodon’s full-text search allows logged in users to find results from their own statuses, their mentions, their favourites, and their bookmarks. It deliberately does not allow searching for arbitrary strings in the entire database.”
At issue are multiple underlying concerns from protecting marginalised groups from intrusion and harassment to consciously anti-viral design (on Mastodon’s anti-viral design more generally, see Thompson, 2022).
The absence of unrestricted text search is contested through regular requests for the inclusion of search through posts on Mastodon, specific Github requests for feature changes, but also attempts to simply circumvent these restrictions through the provision of alternative software tools.
Arguments for unrestricted text search typically appeal to individual freedom or individual ‘rights’ as a rationale. In keeping with this individual-focussed perspective, much of the discussion on ameliorating the impact of search focusses on consent. While opt-in to discoverability as a design-choice clearly addresses some concerns about search, it does not address the fundamental issue that “negative social dynamics” (real or imagined) are *system level properties* of the online discourse as a whole. This means they may potentially impact all users in some way, whether they consent or not. This raises multiple questions about the relationship between individuals on the platform, between individuals and the collective, and platform governance. We return to these implications below; the main goal of this blog post, however, is to make such talk of ‘system level properties’ non-mysterious in order to help promote better thinking and discussion about the design of online communication systems. For this, we present a toy example designed to provide some basic insights into online communities as ‘complex systems’ and how they might be altered by a feature such as text search.
2. Online communication as a complex system
Complex systems are systems characterised by large numbers of interactions between their (often simple) components that give rise to emergent properties of the system as a whole that are typically difficult to predict (e.g., Ladyman et al., 2013).
Communicating individuals form social networks (such as the sample network seen in the figure below) in which individuals are nodes and their communication paths are represented by links between those nodes. Even though each individual may have direct connections with only a handful of other individuals, the interconnections between individuals may link them, collectively, into a much, much larger network. In this way, individual Mastodon users are linked not only to direct followers, but indirectly to those followers’ followers and so on.
Understanding online communication platforms as complex systems consequently involves trying to understand how information is propagated across such networks and what kind of emergent patterns this may to give rise to. For example, although it is individuals that read, write, and boost posts, we may think of their interactions combining to determine characteristics of the discourse across the network as a whole. Is the discourse predominantly friendly or hostile? Do focal topics that attract widespread interest persist, or is attention fleeting and fragmented? What kinds of community norms govern interactions?
To understand questions like these, researchers make use of computer simulations involving agent based models (ABM). Such models allow one to explore the behaviour of systems in ways that we could never do in real life. Figure 1 shows the interface of a simple model created to illustrate some basic aspects of online communication systems (a link to the model itself and instructions for further, hands on, exploration can be found below).
Fig. 1. Interface of the Agent Based Modelling software NetLogo with a social network.
The simulation creates a simple social network. It then simulates a contagion process across that network. Such models are widely used to study opinion dynamics or the spread of behaviour. They simply appropriate the notion of ‘being infected’ to receiving a message or witnessing a behaviour. Depending on what we are trying to model, it may make sense to think of the process of spread as either a ‘simple’ or a ‘complex contagion’. For a simple contagion, a single exposure is enough for ‘infection’. For a complex contagion, multiple exposures are required. This can be modelled, for example, by setting a threshold: an individual only becomes ‘infected’ once the number of infected neighbours exceeds the specified threshold. This is typically more appropriate than a single contagion for modelling the adoption of behaviours (e.g., Guilbeault et al., 2018).
The threshold value, like the number of agents in the network, or the structure of that network is a ‘parameter’: an attribute of the configuration of the model. The goal of agent based simulations is to gain insight into the patterns that emerge from agent interactions and understand how those patterns depend on the values of the model’s parameters.
For our toy example, let’s now think of the ‘infection’ as something like “anger”. Anger may be socially mediated in as much as others’ angry behaviour may make us angry in turn. So we will interpret the model as capturing the spread of anger via a diffusion process on the network: let’s assume, for example, that at each time step in the model, agents communicate a message and the message content reflects their current state as either not angry (black) or angry (red). The model is set up with an initial number of randomly selected ‘angry’ agents. Our interest then lies with the extent to which anger spreads.
Exploring our simple model reveals that anger will eventually spread to all members of the network over time, regardless of the exact number of initially angry agents, the size of the network, or its structure, if we set the contagion threshold to 1, that is, to a simple contagion.
This is no longer true if we raise the contagion threshold to 2, so that an individual agent becomes ‘angry’ only when 2 of its direct neighbours are themselves ‘angry’. This means that ‘anger’ requires sufficient support among the direct neighbours of an agent: without that support, the contagion will stop in that neighbourhood, and may eventually come to a stop in the network as a whole.
This means also that anything that makes it more likely that multiple neighbours become infected will change the dynamics of spread. This includes increasing the proportion of initially infected agents. But it also includes changes to the structure of the network, for example, increasing the number of neighbours an agent has (i.e., increasing the number of links), or increasing the clustering whereby an agent’s neighbours are themselves neighbours. All of these now matter, and will interact to produce the patterns of spread, making that spread increasingly difficult to predict.
This brings us back to the topic of this blog post: unrestricted text search. How might we think about the effects of adding search? In effect, what search does is that it (dynamically and temporarily) rewires the network. Instead of seeing posts only from those we follow, we (and others!) can now see posts from arbitrary individuals as a function of message content.
So what happens in our toy model if we introduce some limited rewiring in the model as a result of hypothetical ‘search’? On a given time-step there is now a small probability (p=.02) that a randomly selected node receives three additional random links as a result of a ‘search’. All else about the model stays the same. Yet this simple addition dramatically changes the behaviour of the system. The complex contagion (with the familiar threshold = 2) now stands a decent chance of, once again, reaching all agents in the network. Figure 2 below shows the outcome of 1000 runs of the model (each with a different random starting configuration) both with and without this rewiring (‘search’). The x-axis shows the respective proportions of ‘angry’ agents in the population, and the y-axis shows the count of how many simulated networks ended up with that proportion.
Fig. 2 Histogram of 1000 sample runs by condition (‘search’/no ‘search’).
The plot reveals several important features of our model, and with it of complex systems more generally:
the system’s behaviour varies as a result of random factors (e.g., which agents are randomly selected for initial contagion, and which are randomly selected for ‘search’).
as result, there is no single answer as to “what happens” (e.g., when we introduce ‘search’). Rather, there is a space of possible outcomes, some of which are more probable than others.
there are discontinuities in the space of possible outcomes: there are *no* model runs that end in 60% angry. Rather, once a large enough subset is reached, all agents are reached eventually.
a minor change to the model can lead to very different outcomes: no run without ‘search’ saw spread to all agents.
the impact of ‘search’ is not restricted to the agents that are rewired. On those runs where all agents eventually become angry, the vast majority end up in a different state than they would have without that intervention.
These points are echoed in Fig. 3 which provides further insight into the relevant mechanisms. Our stylised ‘search’ adds links to the network. To examine the impact of this, the plots show the correlation between final proportion of ‘angry’ agents and the number of final links and the number of ‘searches’ that took place (right hand), with the top panels (green) showing the results of the 1000 ‘no search’ runs, and the bottom panels (blue) showing the results of the 1000 ‘search’ runs.
We can again see clearly how much variability there is even under exactly the same parameter settings. We can see also that increasing numbers of searches (and with that additional links) increase the chances of spread, but that correlation is loose.
Fig. 3. Correlations between final proportion “angry” (‘infected’) and the number of additional links to the initial 200, and with the number of ‘searches’ in the simulation run.
3. Establishing an evidence base?
So what does this simple model tell us? It is nothing like real communication or the real scale of a network such as the one comprising all Mastodon users, and our ‘search’ and ‘anger’ are nothing like real search or real anger.
The latter are just a label; we could have equally chosen ‘happiness’, or a wholly uninformative label such as ‘gleeb’. The meaning of the labels we chose to describe the model is exhausted in what they actually represent: state changes in a particular social network model. What we really want to know is what would happen *on Mastodon* if we introduced unrestricted text search.
This toy model cannot tell us that. It can still tell us plenty that is relevant, however. All of the general characteristics 1-5 above apply to complex systems more generally. Making a model more realistic will not generally make these features go away.
This means also that there are limits on what any kind of real-world empirical study could tell us. Even if we could run ‘experiments’ on Mastodon (or some other platform) that allowed us to look at the effects of introducing search, an individual ‘run’ of our real world network remains just a single point in a space of possible outcomes —outcomes that could have been different given random variation.
That space of possible outcomes likely contains non-linearities and phase transitions (Sole et al., 1996). So even if we combine our best methods (experiments, simulations, observational studies) we will likely understand only something about the broad directions in which changing a parameter might push the system. It will remain the case that ‘just a little bit more’ could lead to a qualitatively wholly different outcome. And the interactions of multiple parameters will be even more resistant to our understanding.
While this means that we will not likely ever get a definitive answer on what adding search would do to Mastodon, it does shed light on some of the arguments and intuitions in that debate. First and foremost, the idea of restricting search as part of an anti-viral design stance is plausible, in the sense that it is plausible that search and the degree to which things may go viral are connected. Second, examination of even our toy model as a complex system shows that one cannot conclude that because a bit of something had little to no impact, a bit more will continue to be inoccuous: #hashtag search is already search, but that doesn’t mean that adding more won’t radically transform the system. A bit more can become radically different —so friction matters as a factor dampening the rate at which individuals take certain actions, here and elsewhere. Third, ‘minority actions’ can have global, system wide, effects far beyond those directly involved. That may seem mysterious in the absence of consideration of an actual complex system, but our simple example shows that it is not. This means also that “consent” to having one’s own posts included in unrestricted search does not solve all issues: one can’t consent on behalf of others to effects that *they* will incur.
4. Who decides?
The upshot of all of this is that decisions on system design for online communication platforms seem unlikely to occur in a context with an abundance of evidence that clarifies precisely what effects a particular change to the system would have. This makes all the more important considerations of who gets to decide and on what grounds.
It is natural to try and cast these issues in terms of ‘rights’: individual rights of users, rights of those who have invested most in building the platform, and so on. But rights are never limitless, because exercising them typically touches on the rights of others —all the more so when we are dealing with public or collective goods. These raise a host of problems of their own (e.g., Reaume, 1988). And it seems extremely unlikely that those problems will magically disappear or resolve by virtue of decentralisation or federation. So Mastodon —as not just a piece of software, or a development company, but also as a community— might ultimately find itself seeking to develop governance structures to resolve such issues.
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Ladyman, J., Lambert, J., & Wiesner, K. (2013). What is a complex system?. European Journal for Philosophy of Science, 3, 33-67. link.springer.com/article/10.1…
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A link to the model is here. Clicking it will open a version of the model for running within a browser. All Netlogo models have three tabs (see Figure 1 above): the Interface, an Info Tab, and a Code Tab. The Interface Tab lets the user run the model via buttons and to-be-entered parameter values. The Info Tab contains a description of the model, and the Code Tab shows the computer programme itself.
Pressing the Setup button will initialise the model, Go Once will execute a single time step, and Go will let the model run until behaviour stabilises so that there is no more change, at which point the run ends.
The contagion threshold is set by the number entered in the “threshold” box. Entering 1 into the “search” box enables search, 0 turns it off (alternatively, pressing the purple Search button will execute ‘search’ once with the pre-defined probability, regardless of setting). The topology parameters N and p determine the size and structure of the network, respectively (the graphs above were all produced with a network of N=100 agents, and a rewiring probability p= .19, giving rise to a so-called small world network; see the Info Tab for more detail).
For more thorough exploration, the model can be downloaded together with NetLogo (which is free), and explored using NetLogo’s inbuilt “BehaviorSpace” which allows one to define experiments involving many runs (for instructions on how to use BehaviorSpace).
I think we are talking past each other. I guess my main point is "quotes already are a reality for Mastodon users, they get quoted every day and they are not even aware of it... Mastodon finally adding the feature doesn't change anything, it just make mastodon users able to see what's already happening"
!Friendica Support I just noticed that my Friendica account is listed as a mutual on my mastodon instance. My Friendica instance however lists my mastodon account as just following, and not as a follower. Do I have to do something extra? I already tried selecting my mastodon account on Friendica and clicking on update but that did not help.
@heluecht I have to answer from my mastodon instance as Friendica.world appears to be messed up. I can see your reply to my posting in the group on mastodon, but I cannot see your reply on Friendica.world. Friendica.world gave a timeout 5 minutes ago. It's back up, but very slow and times out with a 504 every now and then. I have one pending request open on Friendica, but for a different person. I'll hold on and will check Friendica.world in a couple of hours again.
@Michael Vogel I now can see your reply on Friendica. It only appeared 57 minutes ago while you posted it 11 hours ago. The instanse was acting up.
About the mutuals, can it be that Friendica only shows a person as a mutual if that person is on friendica as well? I have one mutual here on Friendica, and that happens to be another Friendica user. I also follow my mastodon account on floss.social (and on floss.social I follow my Friendica account. Mastodon sees my Friendica account as a mutual).
My mastodon account on Friendica, listed as just a follower:
My Friendica account on mastodon, listed as a mutual:
The communication between Friendica servers are done in the same way as between Mastodon an Friendica. So possibly there had been some hiccup in the system. Once the server stabilizes, you could try to unfollow and refollow again.
It took a couple of tries and there were a couple of 'user not found' messages when following and unfollowing my mastodon account. A final "re-fetch contact data" turned my mastodon account in a mutual. All is well now.
!New To Friendica I have this empty photo album that I want to delete. How do I get rid of it? When I click the name I get an url that ends with a long hex number. Friendica asks for a confirmation when I add /drop to the url and hit enter. After clicking 'Delete Album' Friendica tells me that the album cannot be found.
This album was created in the default language of my webbrowser. I changed to British English somewhat later, before deciding on adding a profile picture. My profile picture got created in a new album called 'Profile photos'. I want to get rid of the older non english album.
I actually found a way! w00t! I added a picture to the empty photo album. All of a sudden there was a button to drop the album. I clicked, and it's gone now.
When the album was empty there was nothing shown and no possible actions to take.
Years ago, I went to a birthday party in a small town. I went to a general store and asked if they had balloons. The fellow said yes. I asked if they had any in fun shapes and he said, "depends on how amusing you find circular". For some reason that's lived in my brain for years.
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.
I'm really lucky I could speak about my issue on the Pepper&Carrot matrix room and received assistance from a more experienced user.
Thank you, but don't worry, I'm making many errors too, and I'll keep doing them as I often experiment with many new things.
well, it's Manjaro, not the distro most concerned about FLOSS, imo )
Linux the XpPen Deco 01v3, a budget medium sized screenless tablet, I drew this one with that. The timelapse will be part of the hardware review on the channel (soon, stay tuned!).
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