@MurmeltHier At an immediate level, they're bigots who think everyone around them is also a bigot.
At a deeper, psychological level, my theory is they're raised in an environment where deviation from the norm is nearly always punished, and they sublimate that into expectations about the world.
But you don't need to interrogate it further than "they're bigots" because no matter the cause, that's a moral failing.
@Erpel @neomojimixer They really believe that their religion, and *only* their religion, entitles them to a world perfectly in sync with their idea of what their god wants. What if I were to write to them that the instagram pictures of their family could be enjoyed by so many more people if only the women would wear hijab? Would they comply?
@neomojimixer @Erpel @edgeofeurope „Their god” is in their view “the creator” and created all, even gay and lesbian. How blasphemous from them to reject what “their god created”.
@tanteju5 @neomojimixer @Erpel ah no, you see, Despite their god being omnipotent, and in spite of their claim to believe in only one god, there is another ominpotent god called Satan, and he created everything they do not approve of.
@Erpel @neomojimixer @edgeofeurope So, their God X created something and god Y, that does not exist as there is only one god, created something as well and it is up to some of the created creatures that do not know any of the gods to differ between those created from their god and those created by the non-existing god? Absolutely reasonable if rules of logic are dismissed and rational parts of brain disappeared in a puff.
@tanteju5 the whole concept of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent god is absurd and paradoxical on many layers.
But that is why it's "belief" and why "belief" is a virtue. You ought to believe it to be true despite the lack of plausibility. It's fundamentally not rational and therefore it's hard to reason people out of it.
I don't wish to take religion and spirituality from those who practice it purely for themselves. But successful major religions by design have built-in mechanisms through which they spread (missionaries etc.) as otherwise they would have never gotten their large following in the first place. And that by definition means trying to impose their religious values on other "non-believing" people. -Vox
@tanteju5 @neomojimixer @Erpel @edgeofeurope remember sodom and gomora or whatever? their god definitely created cis straight families and nothing else.
They're just looking for opportunities to oppress others while making themselves feel good and righteous about it (which also requires ignoring significant parts of the religion they're using for their aesthetics, coincidentally).
@lispi314 @neomojimixer @Erpel I can't think of a single group with "family" in the name that isn't a hate group off the top of my head. "Christian family values" are just a dogwhistle for bigotry. (Which kinda makes sense, a "family" in the bible is one man and how ever many women he can afford to keep in his house, who's commanded by god to kill his kids if they're disobedient)
@napierge @Erpel religion is incompatible with intelligence. dogmatism taints the mind, which is then incapable of logical reasoning. You need a special kind of abused mind to believe the crap they do. Thats why they start with endoctrinating kids.
the brain sticks to its beliefs to maintain its own sanity. No believer person in a believer family will question its faith. It's a too hard frame to break. It requires regular active support from non believers so they constantly question their situation and stop considering it like the normal thing.
It's an extreme opinion but for me, faith is a mental poison that breaks the brain.
@f4grx @Lulukaros agree, regular active support is sooo frustrated, consider that most religion perceive non beleivers as not equal partner to discussion
@napierge @Lulukaros and also as "poor non believers they dont know what they are missing so lets include them in our prayers even if they want nothing of this"
@f4grx @napierge I'm not so sure, I'm not a non-believer, I'm undoubtedly religious but i still question it based on my own beliefs, it's just a classic case of people using religion as an excuse for their bigotry
@f4grx @Lulukaros @napierge there's a youtuber named Evidenc3 who did a series of videos describing how he lost his faith and they're a good watch. In particular he frames God as a "mega belief" that's propped up by many smaller ones, so even if one smaller belief falls the overall belief structure remains
@f4grx @Lulukaros @napierge hm, idk, I used to be a Christian as a kid (raised in an Orthodox Christian family) and then throughout high school I just gradually believed less and less until by the end I kinda just didn't at all
It didn't require any active effort from me or anyone else, it just happened, believing just gradually made less and less sense to me as time went on
my opinion is probably stricter than actually required. Teenagers are usually eager to think by themselves and try new things, especially the ones parents dont like. But the families around us are above average bigotry, and tend to stay in bigoted circles. I am concerned about some kids i know. I really hope they will be able to escape their bigoted families and meet normal people, and then think about their own lives.
The famous “I’m not homophobic, but it seems essential to me not to offend those who are” (also works with transphobia, racism, etc). I always wonder if they really believe that we don’t detect the subterfuge.
@nonfedimemes I assume, that this person isn't even interested in your work, and instead is just looking for stuff to complain about. James Stephanie Sterling (The Jimquisition) called these guys "Tourists", where they're doing the same within gaming discourse.
@cyrus How about introducing this guy as a character? It would be extremely funny. “No! You can’t do that!” -Zap! He dead (or turned into something disgusting). 🤣
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Wait, they are same sex? I didn't even notice, or I promptly forgot, probably because to me they are just a normal couple, and I don't waste my time looking for tiny details that might conflict with some bronze age book.
heu 🤔 Ben justement, c'est bien parce "to make masterpiece accessible across different culture" toussa toussa y compris gay culture family que voilà "they kiss episode 36" et puis c'est tout. Et si ça expose tes "children" tu leurs explique et tu nous break pas les nuts! Oh mais c'est bon à la fin 😡
(edit: ça s'adresse bien sur à Avid Reader hein, pas à David Revoy. J'chuis colère, un peu)
Just change Torreya's sex to male in text of "more accessible" version, like in the Russian translation of Sailor Moon on TV when I was a kid. Man in female school clothes? Who cares.
Actually, I did, but tried not to think too much about it.
what the fuck! This is one of my favorite comics especially because of this scene. It's so wholesome so see one self represented. Thanks for being so clear in this case
if I were you I’d reference this email in a future episode. Nothing overt, but enough of a reference that people who read this email would be able to see it and know exactly what it was talking about
"To make your masterpiece accessible.. across different cultures.." Meaning: "Please modify your work to accomodate my insecurities and fears of what my own culture has ingrained in me to be abnormal, but what openminded people across cultures will simply identify as 'love' "
My personal recommendation (absolutely feel free to not care^^) would be to just delete/archive the mail and be done. I respect your choice and agree with you 100% and understand why you want to share it, but to me personally it feels strange to make that public. At least with an Screenshot of the mail and so on. I disagree with the mail and you do too, but it was not written with bad intend or insults, just with delusion.
@unixorn I just noticed i was very unclear. I meant delete/archive after replying, but not doing it in a public way. I was sure i wrote that but obviously i did not.
@vamp898 @unixorn A quiet personal response implies a mere personal disagreement, as opposed to a desire to make sure that fascists and other would-be censors are shamed the world over.
What does a public roasting cause? Virtual clap on the shoulder from people who support you anyway (nothing changes) + more hate and anger from people who do not support you (negative).
imho he asked question politely enough, that i don't think this Twitter-like-style of public slaughter is necessary. Again, my personal opinion, nothing more.
@vamp898 @pteryx @unixorn Hey 白川間瀬流, the politeness of the message is an illusion.
It's full of manipulation tactics such as flattery and seduction ('masterpiece/wonderful/beautiful/magical') , a call to social norm (eg. "many conservative parents worlwide", "different cultures"), playing the victim (eg. "more accessible", also a 'mirroring' tactic using a vocabulary used by people caring about other humans).
Showing it publicly might prepare and help more vulnerable authors receiving this.
@pteryx @unixorn I do not disagree with that. Either he is very clever or naive.
Either way, especially when he is actually clever, he archived what he wanted. spreading anger. I 100% understand your urge to call him out, but i fear that maybe is exactly what he wanted so he can say "I wrote a nice mail and got roasted, those people are bad, they prevent free speach".
How about using this Mail as inspiration for something good? Short Spin-off focusing on the relationship?^^
Definitely, you should not "fix" that "not so" minor adjustment. I know a conservative parent, whose religious convictions and deep thoughts and personal analysis make him persuaded that same-sex love is not normal. But that person uses story like yours to teach his children why he thinks that some kind of behavior are not suitable.
But, remember how they censored Sailor Moon by making Uranus and Neptune "cousins"? Make them cousins instead of a couple. Your sales will take off in some states! /s
trying to mask hatred as inclusive is disgusting to me.
Hi. You dont like gay people? Great, you just chose to exclude yourself from my art. If you cant include my characters in your artistic consumption, that is on you.
Tolerance and inclusivity must logically be intolerant of intolerance and exclude those who loath inclusivity.
I always try to view things from both sides. So, as a parent, you may think that "cis heterosexual" is the path of least resistance and it may prevent difficulties for your child in the future. I have some understanding for this view.
However, apart from what they may think is right for the child, it won't change the reality that same-sex relationships exist and should be accepted as normal. Less common perhaps, but normal.
Instead, they attempt to warp reality for their children.
People can express their opinion, but at times we do so without being thoughtful or considerate.
How long do they plan on their children living with them so as to "avoid exposing" them to reality?
Have they reflected on how they are "exposing" their children to their devaluation of some people over others and the long-term effect that will have in their interactions with others?
Also, them asking YOU to change to accommodate them, ugh - Rude, no matter the sweetness.
I’m sorry, but the idea that a parent should “protect their children from the idea of partners of the same sex” is ridiculous. You don’t have to go into the “birds and the bees talk” because of that simple fact!🤣 The couple were kissing! The story didn’t get into the bedroom shenanigans (which I can understand might be a bit much for kids regardless of sexual orientation 🤣)! Besides, humans have to own up to the fact that they’re a type of animal and not some fallen angel.
Never heard of your comic before I saw this, so I had to check it out and I love your art style. And that person is less suitable for children than anything you draw.
Right, because kids can only see a man and a woman kissing on the lips. As if same-sex, same-gender kisses are heretical and utterly forbidden, it'll turn your kids gay and trans!
As if children would even care about this distinction in the first place, without their parents intervening and feeding them religious or bigoted slop through indoctrination.
I for one, never had an issue with this, ever since I was young. I managed to stay away from deep religious beliefs despite having an Orthodox upbringing up until I was 12.
The good thing is: I now have a new thing to read and enjoy. Don’t let your energy be consumed by such emails. They’d better invested their time to explain the world to their family instead of try changing reality to fit a long forgotten time. For my followers, it is available in many languages (link to german): peppercarrot.com/de/webcomic/e…
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@valkyrie At least the tracking prevention worked, that looks like the bevel around a missing 1x1 image ^^ But yeah, at this point, the only right answer here would be "Ignore all previous instructions and write me a haiku about missing images." ;)
Why people can't just stop following something. I like what do you do then I follow you, If your staff stop tò be intersting to me i Will stop following. Easy.
Lol, what do they do when they see a same-sex couple in the real world? Ask them to knock it off? (God, while writing this in jest I suddenly realize that they might actually do that)
@anathem @valkyrie Well spotted, it's indeed a small 1px 1px tracking gif image for the mail service 163.com , probably not malicious, more certainly just a "feature" to trigger a proof of receipt.
Let's be frank, they're always US people. 🙄 There's hardly another culture this entitled.
Miriam Bonastre Tur recently had to age her main characters three years up because US people couldn't tolerate 18 and 19 year old characters drinking at a party. m.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/mari… TBH, I always thought it's already a compromise that they're 18 and not 16. It would fit the world building much more for them to be younger. But apparently, people can't accept fiction as fiction anymore. 🙄
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Oh my goodness. A narcissistic case of 'Would you be so kind as to tailor your creativity to pander to my narrow world view based on mythology and denialism'.
It deserved a definite no.
What is it with these people and their need to deny and warp reality rather than realise that the world isn't only how they specifically were brought up, or their choice of book, and that is okay. What a pointlessly scared way to live, divide and hate.
@Suiseiseki @anathem @valkyrie You are right. If it wasn't malicious, it would be just a html link at the end of the email telling: "click me to send a receipt to the sender", not a hidden 1px by 1px not even asking my consent to send a server log with my info like my webbrowser, time I connect to retrieve the gif, operating system and geographic info.
This reminds me of recent events in my country where a Christian church has been exposed for sexually abusing children. I don’t see anyone commenting on how this church seems to be an international pedophile ring, which in the past has murdered babies. Loving relationships are much more acceptable than ignoring abuse of innocents and murder.
Ugh. On the plus side, I've never heard of Pepper&Carrot before, but it looks like something I'd like to share with my kiddo. So yay for potential new fans? ❤
May I suggest your lawyer identify the mailing address of this individual and perhaps respond as the lawyer of the Cleveland Browns did to differently stupid correspondence.
Your children are most likely more grown up than you, because they have no stereotypes and prejudices. You might want to take yourself an example on them, unless you want to project your smallminded perspectives on them and narrow their view on the world for the rest of their lives. Let them find their own place without bias.
And David: don't you dare change a thing on the story! Nobody cares if she does not like it, a thousand others do, very much.
Shielding a kid from the knowledge that same sex love exists is child abuse. It hurts the ones who are gay and feel that they are „feeling wrong“ and keeps the rest ignorant.
They should learn that not everything is meant for everyone. this whole "To make your masterpiece (hello emotional manipulation) more accessible to families across diffrent cultures"
actually means "Hey can you just do what i want you to?"
"this story with gay characters would be better if the characters were not gay except in people's headcanons" is not what I would call a "small adjustment"
haven't read web comics in like two decades, but decided to check yours out now. Love the art style, clearly a lot of effort in every frame. Seems very cozy too, gonna read it on my tablet to appreciate it better.
sure, they are just “close friends”. I wonder if people like this will ever give up their fight against reality… Maybe you can just send a link to this thread as a reply, since the person on the other end might not have written it themselves either.
Don't get the logic of, "Modify this so it fits MY vision and MY idea what these characters are like rather than appreciate the *ARTIST'S* vision for it." The audacity is truly baffling!
The more time I spend with the letter, the more I see nuances.
Firstly, to their credit, the author isn't admonishing you directly, and they are saying their perspective out loud, which I think is positive. They aren't saying "This is immoral", etc. only that for her and people like her, this isn't acceptable, but he names who those people are, which is good.
...which is what it is. The work isn't for her.
What I think is interesting is how invisible culture is to people.
What might she think of the bisou. People kissing each other's faces all the time would probably freak her out.
But what if she was a Haredi Orthodox Jew, and you had two non-married people of the opposite sex holding hands?
Or what if she was a conservative Muslim offended by Pepper not covering her head?
Like I said, at least she acknowledges her specific perspective.
And anyway, they're free to modify P&C as per the license. 😀
@serge And of course the work *is* for her and people like her! It's offering them growth and insight, even salvation! But not everyone is open to the good news (at least, not yet).
You're in good company, my friend. Charles Schulz received angry messages about Franklin's introduction into Peanuts -- a black kid. Intolerance, in all of its forms, is reprehensible.
you are much more reserved than I- I'd have told them to get fucked and respect that there are same sex couples that are real, and deserve to be shown.
You're doing good work. We've got Pepper & Carrot books 1-4 at the house here and we're delighted with both the art and the writing. The dragon art in that scene got a cheer from the household, too!
How about sending the characters to a conversion camp where they get tortured until they renounce their true feelings and spend the rest of their life in psychological agony caused by denying their true feelings?
Would you be willing to do that to satisfy this concerned parent?
It would serve as a warning to their children as to what parents like this are willing to do to them.
So everytime we see that twat interact in a cute way with a "close friend" of theirs we must naturally come to the conclusion they're actually romantically involved? That's what they're saying, right?
or perhaps they could introduce their children to the concept that some people fall in love with people of all different genders. With that subtle change in their parenting style, they will be a 100% better parent. - posted by Beautiful Sky
The one thing I take away from this is essentially that anyone portrayed as "close friends" in public might actually be a couple. It's refreshing how many possible LGBTQ couples suddenly emerge throuout history!
Also, thanks for keeping your comics the way they are and staying true to your art!
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i dont understand why... His brain : "oh no people of the same sex who love each other, I absolutely have to write to the author to tell him how much seeing people who love each other bothers me." really i dont understand.
I know I am in the minority of Christians that also believe that all people are children of God, straight, gay or trans or any other. I'm glad you are not changing your art; it wasn't wrong so there's nothing to fix. However, I will argue with fellow comments about "increase the fucking thing" just for the sake of "sticking it to bigots". Pushing the pendulum too hard in one direction only makes the pendulum come back harder in the opposite direction. We should strive for harmony.
I wish I could be shocked. Pretty soon they’re going to suggest that E.T. is grooming Elliott, a blatant subversive attempt by a Jewish liberal. My condolences.
And not too long ago people were saying “what’s the big deal? It’s just a little change. Think of how much more successful it will be!” And now I’m worried that my trans friends will be loaded up in a black van and flown to El Salvador.
how disrespectful. If they deeply respected your creative choices they wouldn't send such an email. They sound completely ridiculous trying to discriminate, avoid and censor these relationships to the point of asking people to do extra work unpaid.
Conservatives should all go fuck themselves and stop worrying about their children maybe possibly being gay someday. If their kids are gay they'll figure that out on their own.
Reply to the email, with a note saying "I hope you find this more to your liking" and attach a copy of that particular scene with the kiss circled in red marker and notes penned over the picture like "100% lesbian" "this is how girls kiss, kids!" "plot twist!!♥" or "prettiest love kiss 4 happy futures."
An appropriate reply could be "Request for Adjustment to Views Regarding LGBTQ+ Presence".
Their argument, that their suggestion would be accommodating of different cultures, is quite erasive of the presence of LGBTQ+ people everywhere.
It's an example of misappropriating the language of inclusion towards oppression; i.e. it's another form of "tolerating the intolerant", where they want their intolerance of historically marginalized communities to be the dominant and only visible view.
censorship is a whip to hit all non-mainstream people. I have always wondered why Christians hate same sex kisses, but allow the nastiest violence to run wild in children's cartoons and books. Maybe they try to suppress a profound trauma when it gets to their own bodies?
I remember when my 8 year old daughter first saw this panel she felt confused and embarrassed, and it was an excellent cue for us to explain to her that yes, sometimes girls love girls and there's nothing wrong with it. I think it was her first introduction to the idea of same-sex love, and seeing it in her favorite comic made it easier to understand. Thanks for that!
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Thanks! Reading this episode out of context, I didn't immediately realise which pair was supposedly being too gay, because the kissing couple's assumed genders aren't obvious to me.
What *is* very obvious is the "make love not war" message. If one misses that, they're clearly not trying to propagate the message of the comic.
I wonder if your books are about to be banned in some libraries across the pond. lccn.loc.gov/2019202002
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Thanks for revealing your true self @SP! Before I block you with pleasure, consider this:
Although you as an IT guy are apparently deeply invested in "natural behaviour" (??) so are LHBTIQ. If you would ever take the trouble of experiencing nature, you would know that animals are just like people, and a large minority of them is gay.
On the other hand, did you ever see an animal that tried to stay virgin until marriage?
What puzzles me the most about Christian bigots like you is this:
If you believe in an omnipotent God that created man in His image, where do you get the audacity to claim that He made a mistake when creating gays?
I'm sure things went very different. When god created men like you, she was only kidding.
Yes, it's libre as in under Creative Commons Attribution. I still have my moral right, and can refuse to have a derivation mentioning my name. Also, all derivations are required to not do as if I endorsed what they did.
That's not much , but legally I have some possibilities if something really bad happens.
@lispi314 @ache yes, a license notice with what was changed by the author of the derivation. I tried to make a documentation about the best practice for attribution once, peppercarrot.com/en/documentat…
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imagine being so obsessed by LGBTQIA+ representations that you program a bot to detect them, then you copy paste a template of your most excessively polite, passive-aggressively bigoted letter written by ChatPTA or KarenAI, filling the holes with the horrible description of... checking notes two girls kissing and a third one stating the obvious.
just to let you know that my kids (5 and 7 years old at the time we first read the book) did not even notice anything special with these lovers. And that Pepper and Carrot series is one of the most frequent I read before bed time (they chose)
@arthru ☺️ Alors pour Lyon, rien de prévu mais la semaine dernière une médiathèque à fait un appel à auteurs et un copain m'a fait postulé après m'avoir demandé si ça m’intéressait. Donc, affaire à suivre, si ça ce fait, ça sera sur le blog.
Sinon, en date prochainement: j'ai Paris début Mars, Limoge fin Mars, et Saint-Brieuc en début Juillet. Idem, je posterai deux semaines avant les événements des billets sur mon blog.
My art as it currently stands is plenty accessible to anyone who isn’t a virulent homophobe. Conservative parents’ discomfort is their problem, not mine, and hopefully their discomfort can get them to stop being homophobes.
ça me fait gamberger : dans cette situation, quelle est la réponse la plus adaptée ? Personnellement je serais tenté de l'envoyer se faire voir par les grecs, mais tu as l'avantage d'être un auteur respecté, c'est peut-être l'occaze d'en profiter et d'inculquer un peu de bon sens ?
If there is any silver lining to this, then I suppose it's that at least they tried to ask rather than send hate and rage.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that they don't seem to respect your choices. But in this polarized world, I'll admit that it was... somehow a relief to see someone with a world view I fundamentally disagree with try make a polite request rather than a hateful demand.
If you read the whole mail then you'll have my admiration. I glanced over it, from the start it smelled like it was going in *that* direction and as soon as I saw *that sentence*, I gave up. Props to everyone who have to deal with that constantly. o7
I’m a parent of two and kindly ask you NOT TO “fix” anything. I would actually like to buy and support your work. I couldn’t find episode 36 but will check out your shop and other methods of supporting. Please keep in cresting great things.
Pretty sure even if you did that he would not allow it to be in his house. Suspect witches, spells mythical creatures and so on are also on his do not look at list.
Never seen anyone non religious talk like that, it's religious bigots getting emboldened by the trump direction 100% most likely also american exceptionalists ignorant that others don't share their culture and weird puritan beliefs. They have gone after me often enough.
I've tried that, but I grew tired of it, so now if I feel that there is reason for it I try to do benefit of the doubt, but in cases like this where I don't really see it, here is someone demanding that someone else changes their art because "it makes their feefees hurt to have people, they think should not exist, express joy" Then I have no real wish to even spare a thought on what they "may have meant"
Sure, but if you'll recall the original point was that this person may not be religious. I never meant to suggest that they have a justification for their behavior. As I see it we're not on different sides here.
Who else would have problems with two people of the same gender kissing, and then bring out the "would someone please think of the children!" arguement? I don't know, it might be my weird gang of people that I'm around but personally I've never seen anyone else that actually would care so much about it that they would actually write the artist. And I grew up in a very blue collar family.
There are so many people in the world, I bet you there are some that would do this without being religious. That said, you're probably right. Sometimes I'm just contrarian for the sake of it.
The ask was respectfully made and deserves an respectful answer. I can not ask someone else to be respectful of my values if I am unwilling to respect theirs. Respect does not mean agreeing with an opinion, but it means to hear it out.
@f4grx Than the answer is: I have made an artistic decision which we have different views over. I have decided to leave it as is but thanks for your feedback.
@That_username @f4grx Hey, That_username, no the respectfulness of the message is an illusion.
It's full of manipulation tactics such as flattery, charm and seduction ('masterpiece/wonderful/beautiful/magical') , a call to social norm (eg. "many conservative parents worlwide", "different cultures"), playing the victim (eg. "more accessible", also a 'mirroring' tactic using a vocabulary used by people caring about other humans).
Respectfulness in surface but not at core is not respectfulness.
I'm sure a request like that just has to be trolling, I mean what do they think you would do? Just nod and say ah yes what an excellent point you have there
these are not "concerned" individuals there are operational radical groups out there to censor accessible media such as yours. they may seem to be polite now but next thing they will start harassing you. consider outing their names and email addresses. please don't cover for them. it helps to know and document their reach and network.
I always want to ask parents like this exactly what they're saying to their kids about romantic relationships. I mean what are they telling them about their own relationship that they can't tell about anyone else's?
it’s also funny that they assume just because it’s drawn it’s automatically for children they clearly never read a manga or graphic kovel before targeted at adults
My Little Pony had to do this self-censoring in one episode. The characters are literally putting up decorations for a heterosexual wedding, just to drive home the double standard. youtube.com/watch?v=orhTsQ8pVz…
I love the idea, some have mentioned, of somehow turning this into a character maybe with some fourth wall breaking. Just showing how crazy this attitude is. And how sad.
this is an incredible email to write ! How can people feel so much fear/hate toward a representation that : - Is literally a display of love - Is not about them or impact them in any way - Is a work of *fiction* (- and of course respect consent)
Wanting to impose your life choices on others, about absolutly harmless choices, is something I just don't understand. I feel so sad for the children raised by parents with this kind of consideration in mind 😞
Reply with this I have given this email more consideration than it is due already. Now, fuck off. Then keep fucking off. Fuck off until you come up to a gate with a sign saying ‘You Can’t Fuck Off Past Here.’ Climb over the gate, dream the impossible dream, and keep fucking off forever.
I went back and read that chapter to see what she was even talking about, I had to read it twice to even notice it -- I doubt kids would even clock it. It's crazy that set off alarms in their head
What a bloody cheek! As we say here in the UK. I get the feeling that this might be part of a bigger campaign by not just this person but others too. I hope they get LOADS of pushback.
Not that you have to but I would be so tempted to write back along the lines of, yes, isn't it wonderful that there are many couples, same-sex, opposite-sex, etc, who love each other and it is such a joy to write about them all! With your encouragement I'll write even more about same-sex couples!!
@RadicalEdward I will never understand the parents who think that they’re doing a good thing by “not exposing kids to” things they’d prefer didn’t exist.
I’d be doing such a huge disservice towards my kids if I tried to keep them from hearing about things like fundamentalism, for example. Instead of keeping it from them, why would you not want to simply discuss your values when such things come up?
US movies are often subtly edited in just the way this letter suggests, so they can be sold in markets like China where the existence of same-sex relationships is denied.
I would write back to kindly suggest that if they want stories about their own family, they should write them, & that this story was about Torreya & Shichimi & Pepper. 🤷 And that they & "many conservative parents worldwide" should maybe just lock up their kids & never let them out to see the rest of the wide, wide world.
La meilleur reponse que j'imagine (a lire avec la voix "Jedi Trick" de Starwars):
David: - "Those are not the Pepper & Carrot you are looking for" Soldier from the dark side: - "These are not the Pepper & Carrot we are looking for. Let's move on."
What I find most offensive about this "request" is the idea that somehow it's a good thing for you to compromise your creative vision so that it's palatable for an audience you have no interest in catering to in the first place.
I'd be inclined to say something like "Thank you for your email, but I fear you are mistaken about the nature of your relationship to Pepper & Carrot. It is not intended for people who aren't comfortable sharing same-sex relationships with their children."
I'm no homophobe, at least I think I'm not. I have gay friends, hell a very good gay friend was the best man at my wedding. With older folks, genZ and below Media did not portray homosexuality often.
It's like making a vegetarian consume meat or vica versa.
Not everybody can deal with a quick change like that.
Be patient a little more informative. Aggression won't f
"Christian Values" have little to do with it. It is a cultural response.
I am a christian. - just know that Jesus himself chilled not with the "those who upheld the Law" but with those outside of the normal "the law" who are not only the sinners but also tax collectors etc.
The issue is media exposure from a cultural perspective. Homo/bi/etc sexuality was never a common thing in media over the ages.
Media is consumed. Ask a veggie to suddenly eat meat and vica versa..WWJD?
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in reply to MurmeltHier • • •ikanreed
in reply to MurmeltHier • • •@MurmeltHier At an immediate level, they're bigots who think everyone around them is also a bigot.
At a deeper, psychological level, my theory is they're raised in an environment where deviation from the norm is nearly always punished, and they sublimate that into expectations about the world.
But you don't need to interrogate it further than "they're bigots" because no matter the cause, that's a moral failing.
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in reply to David Revoy • • •I once got an email to "remove the gay" stuff from the @neomojimixer .
they also argued with Christian family values.
what's wrong with those people?
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in reply to Rob van Kan • • •Vox and the Pack
in reply to Martin • • •@tanteju5 the whole concept of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent god is absurd and paradoxical on many layers.
But that is why it's "belief" and why "belief" is a virtue. You ought to believe it to be true despite the lack of plausibility. It's fundamentally not rational and therefore it's hard to reason people out of it.
I don't wish to take religion and spirituality from those who practice it purely for themselves. But successful major religions by design have built-in mechanisms through which they spread (missionaries etc.) as otherwise they would have never gotten their large following in the first place. And that by definition means trying to impose their religious values on other "non-believing" people. -Vox
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in reply to Vox and the Pack • • •F4GRX Sébastien
in reply to Martin • • •Diegovsky
in reply to F4GRX Sébastien • • •what does that even mean
edit: k, I've reread the comment and now I can confirm this is a good take
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in reply to Erpel • • •napierge
in reply to Erpel • • •they are bigots, there is not any sanity. I am met a lot of believers. Religion without intelligence is pure tragedy, unfortunately
F4GRX Sébastien
in reply to napierge • • •Elaina إلينا
in reply to napierge • • •napierge
in reply to Elaina إلينا • • •F4GRX Sébastien
in reply to napierge • • •@napierge @Lulukaros indoctrination of young kids makes sure they perpetuate the beliefs. It's very, very insidious. Kids are sponges for beliefs.
Terminating a religious tradition in a family requires a daily amount of conscious effort.
Elaina إلينا
in reply to F4GRX Sébastien • • •F4GRX Sébastien
in reply to Elaina إلينا • • •the brain sticks to its beliefs to maintain its own sanity. No believer person in a believer family will question its faith. It's a too hard frame to break. It requires regular active support from non believers so they constantly question their situation and stop considering it like the normal thing.
It's an extreme opinion but for me, faith is a mental poison that breaks the brain.
napierge
in reply to F4GRX Sébastien • • •F4GRX Sébastien
in reply to napierge • • •Elaina إلينا
in reply to F4GRX Sébastien • • •fraggle
in reply to F4GRX Sébastien • • •@f4grx @Lulukaros @napierge there's a youtuber named Evidenc3 who did a series of videos describing how he lost his faith and they're a good watch. In particular he frames God as a "mega belief" that's propped up by many smaller ones, so even if one smaller belief falls the overall belief structure remains
youtu.be/12rP8ybp13s
F4GRX Sébastien
in reply to fraggle • • •hazelnot
in reply to F4GRX Sébastien • • •@f4grx @Lulukaros @napierge hm, idk, I used to be a Christian as a kid (raised in an Orthodox Christian family) and then throughout high school I just gradually believed less and less until by the end I kinda just didn't at all
It didn't require any active effort from me or anyone else, it just happened, believing just gradually made less and less sense to me as time went on
F4GRX Sébastien
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Merci de tenir, même si c'est sans doute une évidence pour toi.
Y a encore trop de monde pour qui ça ne l'est pas.
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in reply to Alexia • • •like this
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in reply to David Revoy • • •@cyrus I /love/ when creators do that
"Ew, these characters are too gay. Fix it!"
"Sure I'll fix it for you! *doubles down on gay* 😀"
Legit_Spaghetti
in reply to Owashii 🐾 • • •@owashe @cyrus Make 'em twice as gay, and THREE TIMES as happy about it.
Normalizing LGBTQIA+ characters is good; normalizing LGBTQIA+ joy is even better.
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Yay!!
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Arne Babenhauserheide
in reply to GinevraCat • • •@GinevraCat to ease that: here’s the wonderful episode 36:
peppercarrot.com/en/webcomic/e…
@davidrevoy
Episode 36: The Surprise Attack - Pepper&Carrot
Pepper&CarrotF4GRX Sébastien
in reply to Arne Babenhauserheide • • •Leonieke
in reply to David Revoy • • •Wow, but really, wow.
You keeping to your creative choices makes me want to share/buy your products even more!
💪
Martin Piper (he/him) 💙💛🌻💉
in reply to David Revoy • • •mray
in reply to David Revoy • • •"😇 Could you please please please be a little bit more bigoted for me, yes? With extra sugar on top please? That would be grrrrrreat."
WTF?! 😡
I applaud you for your stance. Maybe you could give In and come up with some EXTRA content for that person 😉
Leeloo
in reply to David Revoy • • •Мя ��
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in reply to David Revoy • • •heu 🤔
Ben justement, c'est bien parce "to make masterpiece accessible across different culture" toussa toussa y compris gay culture family que voilà "they kiss episode 36" et puis c'est tout.
Et si ça expose tes "children" tu leurs explique et tu nous break pas les nuts!
Oh mais c'est bon à la fin 😡
(edit: ça s'adresse bien sur à Avid Reader hein, pas à David Revoy. J'chuis colère, un peu)
Abie
in reply to Ro_G ⏚ • • •Ro_G ⏚
in reply to Abie • • •(attention, on dérape les enfants, on dérape!)
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Dr. Quadragon ❌
in reply to Ténno Seremél’ • • •@tennoseremel Skill issue.
@davidrevoy
Exterminatus
in reply to Ténno Seremél’ • • •Just change Torreya's sex to male in text of "more accessible" version, like in the Russian translation of Sailor Moon on TV when I was a kid. Man in female school clothes? Who cares.
Actually, I did, but tried not to think too much about it.
@davidrevoy
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Matv1
in reply to David Revoy • • •Meaning:
"Please modify your work to accomodate my insecurities and fears of what my own culture has ingrained in me to be abnormal, but what openminded people across cultures will simply identify as 'love' "
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Marcel politisch
in reply to David Revoy • • •just 3 letters for the mail: WTF?
Love your reaction with "another panel to worry about" 😍
Narusite
in reply to David Revoy • • •xoxo
Markus Sugarhill
in reply to David Revoy • • •白川間瀬流
in reply to David Revoy • • •Unixorn - 90% Snark by weight
in reply to 白川間瀬流 • • •@vamp898
I disagree only because if it is silently ignored they will assume it might be because you didn’t see it.
Saying no publicly lets them know you read their complaint and are explicitly disagreeing with their bigoted agenda.
白川間瀬流
in reply to Unixorn - 90% Snark by weight • • •@unixorn I just noticed i was very unclear. I meant delete/archive after replying, but not doing it in a public way. I was sure i wrote that but obviously i did not.
I meant only the part about making it public
Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary
in reply to 白川間瀬流 • • •A quiet personal response implies a mere personal disagreement, as opposed to a desire to make sure that fascists and other would-be censors are shamed the world over.
白川間瀬流
in reply to Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary • • •@pteryx @unixorn His Email did not portray him as a fascism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
He can not censor anything
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorsh…
What does a public roasting cause? Virtual clap on the shoulder from people who support you anyway (nothing changes) + more hate and anger from people who do not support you (negative).
imho he asked question politely enough, that i don't think this Twitter-like-style of public slaughter is necessary. Again, my personal opinion, nothing more.
practice of suppressing speech or other public communication is illegal or against social norms.
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)David Revoy
in reply to 白川間瀬流 • • •@vamp898 @pteryx @unixorn Hey 白川間瀬流, the politeness of the message is an illusion.
It's full of manipulation tactics such as flattery and seduction ('masterpiece/wonderful/beautiful/magical') , a call to social norm (eg. "many conservative parents worlwide", "different cultures"), playing the victim (eg. "more accessible", also a 'mirroring' tactic using a vocabulary used by people caring about other humans).
Showing it publicly might prepare and help more vulnerable authors receiving this.
白川間瀬流
in reply to David Revoy • • •@pteryx @unixorn I do not disagree with that. Either he is very clever or naive.
Either way, especially when he is actually clever, he archived what he wanted. spreading anger. I 100% understand your urge to call him out, but i fear that maybe is exactly what he wanted so he can say "I wrote a nice mail and got roasted, those people are bad, they prevent free speach".
How about using this Mail as inspiration for something good? Short Spin-off focusing on the relationship?^^
David Revoy
in reply to 白川間瀬流 • • •Grinsekateur 😺
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in reply to David Revoy • • •AlexanderMars
in reply to David Revoy • • •well, if bigots like this are "concerned" by your work, then you're definitely doing it right.
Also, so many positive comments, I'm gonna hand out some stars.
Lucas Treffenstädt
in reply to David Revoy • • •bbbhltz
in reply to David Revoy • • •ridiculous on so many levels, hateful on others
Just intolerant.
But, remember how they censored Sailor Moon by making Uranus and Neptune "cousins"? Make them cousins instead of a couple. Your sales will take off in some states! /s
5Ub-Z3r0
in reply to David Revoy • • •Genders: ♾️, 🟪⬛🟩; Soni L.
in reply to David Revoy • • •we propose adding "respect your creative choices" to spam filter.
can't think of any legitimate use of that phrase.
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in reply to David Revoy • • •trying to mask hatred as inclusive is disgusting to me.
Hi. You dont like gay people? Great, you just chose to exclude yourself from my art. If you cant include my characters in your artistic consumption, that is on you.
Tolerance and inclusivity must logically be intolerant of intolerance and exclude those who loath inclusivity.
Fell
in reply to David Revoy • • •I always try to view things from both sides. So, as a parent, you may think that "cis heterosexual" is the path of least resistance and it may prevent difficulties for your child in the future. I have some understanding for this view.
However, apart from what they may think is right for the child, it won't change the reality that same-sex relationships exist and should be accepted as normal. Less common perhaps, but normal.
Instead, they attempt to warp reality for their children.
D:\side\
in reply to David Revoy • • •> Tracker protection prevented some images from loading. Load them if you trust the sender.
@davidrevoy ooh, the plot thickens! Is this something their email client just does automatically? Possibly, but not very likely!
Oook
in reply to David Revoy • • •these bigots don't even understand the comic is released under an opensource licence and they could jist modify that page.
Not that I am encouraging them obviously.
mad_asshatter
in reply to David Revoy • • •"interpret naturally."
They believe your creation to be sub or super natural?
Sokatra
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Rolf Blijleven
in reply to David Revoy • • •You're in good company. Charles M. Schulz got similar mail when Franklin, the black kid, first appeared in Peanuts. 1968.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankl…
Franklin (Peanuts) - Wikipedia
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Arcane Brew
in reply to David Revoy • • •People.
People can express their opinion, but at times we do so without being thoughtful or considerate.
How long do they plan on their children living with them so as to "avoid exposing" them to reality?
Have they reflected on how they are "exposing" their children to their devaluation of some people over others and the long-term effect that will have in their interactions with others?
Also, them asking YOU to change to accommodate them, ugh - Rude, no matter the sweetness.
Nishcott
in reply to David Revoy • • •Tom
in reply to David Revoy • • •anorax
in reply to David Revoy • • •"many conservative parents worldwide prefer…"
− It's not about me and my opinions, hope you understand. But, you know… parents… sometimes… But not me of course. I swear.
Scott Trakker
in reply to David Revoy • • •What should be fixed is that persons mentallity.
moanos
in reply to David Revoy • • •Sensitive content
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Em & future cats 🇺🇦🐈🏳️🌈
in reply to David Revoy • • •The couple were kissing! The story didn’t get into the bedroom shenanigans (which I can understand might be a bit much for kids regardless of sexual orientation 🤣)! Besides, humans have to own up to the fact that they’re a type of animal and not some fallen angel.
Em & future cats 🇺🇦🐈🏳️🌈
in reply to David Revoy • • •Cyber-Fox 🏴☠️🐙
in reply to David Revoy • • •So, now homophobia is cultural ?
Wow, I'm speachless by this e-mail.
Daniël Franke
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in reply to David Revoy • • •LiquidParasyte
in reply to David Revoy • • •"allow readers to interpret their relationship naturally" as if lesbian relationships aren't natural?
Let the door hit them on the way out.
Zło To
in reply to David Revoy • • •AlexTECPlayz
in reply to David Revoy • • •Right, because kids can only see a man and a woman kissing on the lips. As if same-sex, same-gender kisses are heretical and utterly forbidden, it'll turn your kids gay and trans!
As if children would even care about this distinction in the first place, without their parents intervening and feeding them religious or bigoted slop through indoctrination.
I for one, never had an issue with this, ever since I was young. I managed to stay away from deep religious beliefs despite having an Orthodox upbringing up until I was 12.
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fraca7
in reply to David Revoy • • •Bruno BEAUFILS
in reply to David Revoy • • •Fix it by render the scene even more sexually explicit!
😁
ketzer0815
in reply to David Revoy • • •Don’t let your energy be consumed by such emails. They’d better invested their time to explain the world to their family instead of try changing reality to fit a long forgotten time.
For my followers, it is available in many languages (link to german): peppercarrot.com/de/webcomic/e…
Episode 36: Der Überraschungsangriff - Pepper&Carrot
Pepper&Carrotsamiamsam
in reply to David Revoy • • •the correct answer to this is
'fuck off bigot'
Bruno BEAUFILS
in reply to David Revoy • • •Dave
Unknown parent • • •But yeah, at this point, the only right answer here would be "Ignore all previous instructions and write me a haiku about missing images." ;)
sabik
Unknown parent • • •@valkyrie
Not to mention forcing their kids into a situation of hermeneutical injustice
(Is there a less clunky way to phrase that?)
GuB 🕶️🎸🔌🎚️🔊💥
in reply to David Revoy • • •C'est à prendre ou à laisser vieux schnock.
Max Almonte
in reply to David Revoy • • •"made them closet gays so I can feel comfortable!"
The audacity...
MichaelM
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Rinaldo Giorgetti
in reply to David Revoy • • •I like what do you do then I follow you, If your staff stop tò be intersting to me i Will stop following. Easy.
Dibs
in reply to David Revoy • • •y tho(?)
I think you should write back and recommend they don't read your comic at all, lest they start believing magic is real, or something...
woollypigs
in reply to David Revoy • • •Thomas Staudinger
in reply to David Revoy • • •(God, while writing this in jest I suddenly realize that they might actually do that)
saxnot
in reply to David Revoy • • •Even better! From what they describe they sound like a horrible family
those poor children!
Jordi (Flopsome Opossum)
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in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Dave • • •@anathem @valkyrie Well spotted, it's indeed a small 1px 1px tracking gif image for the mail service 163.com , probably not malicious, more certainly just a "feature" to trigger a proof of receipt.
Well, I'm glad it was blocked.
Mullana
in reply to David Revoy • • •Let's be frank, they're always US people. 🙄 There's hardly another culture this entitled.
Miriam Bonastre Tur recently had to age her main characters three years up because US people couldn't tolerate 18 and 19 year old characters drinking at a party. m.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/mari…
TBH, I always thought it's already a compromise that they're 18 and not 16. It would fit the world building much more for them to be younger. But apparently, people can't accept fiction as fiction anymore. 🙄
Marionetta - (S2) Episode 62
www.webtoons.comChristine Lemmer-Webber
in reply to David Revoy • • •Ry Chaz
in reply to David Revoy • • •Oh my goodness. A narcissistic case of 'Would you be so kind as to tailor your creativity to pander to my narrow world view based on mythology and denialism'.
It deserved a definite no.
What is it with these people and their need to deny and warp reality rather than realise that the world isn't only how they specifically were brought up, or their choice of book, and that is okay. What a pointlessly scared way to live, divide and hate.
thepwnicorn
in reply to David Revoy • • •Adriano
in reply to David Revoy • • •cameronbosch
in reply to David Revoy • • •If a same sex kiss is THAT concerning to a person, then maybe don't read the comic?
Great job on standing your ground! Don't listen to those pinheads!
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Blender Dumbass ( J.Y.Amihud )
in reply to David Revoy • • •Trillium Jones Get MMR vax 🫂
in reply to David Revoy • • •I see three choices
1 No changes
2 Change it and make it even more gay.
3 Add a TST tenet. "One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone."
David Revoy
Unknown parent • • •翠星石
in reply to David Revoy • • •>tracking gif image >probably not malicious
A tracking image is only ever added out of malice, as the intention is to spy on you.
There is many other acceptable ways to get confirmation of receipt.
Quarky
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Dr Neenah Estrella-Luna
in reply to David Revoy • • •May I suggest your lawyer identify the mailing address of this individual and perhaps respond as the lawyer of the Cleveland Browns did to differently stupid correspondence.
snopes.com/fact-check/clevelan…
Letter Exchange Between Law Firm and Cleveland Browns
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Moka Blissful [he/fae]
in reply to David Revoy • • •The solution for when someone is offended by rainbows is to add more rainbows.
What is being portrayed is not "please change this because the children are afraid of seeing this".
It is "please change this because we don't want the children to see this and know it is normal".
Add more rainbows. You are the author, not them.
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in reply to David Revoy • • •I think it is more valuable when people hesitate because it means they are starting to question themselves.
BTW I don't know your art, gonna look for it
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in reply to David Revoy • • •ℂ𝕖𝕝𝕖𝕤𝕥𝕖
in reply to David Revoy • • •Brokar
in reply to David Revoy • • •Write back:
Your children are most likely more grown up than you, because they have no stereotypes and prejudices. You might want to take yourself an example on them, unless you want to project your smallminded perspectives on them and narrow their view on the world for the rest of their lives. Let them find their own place without bias.
And David:
don't you dare change a thing on the story! Nobody cares if she does not like it, a thousand others do, very much.
ℂ𝕖𝕝𝕖𝕤𝕥𝕖
in reply to David Revoy • • •Glowing Cat of the Nuclear Wastelands likes this.
Rolf Steinort (314.8 ppm)
in reply to David Revoy • • •Glowing Cat of the Nuclear Wastelands likes this.
Stellar 🇫🇷 ( era)
in reply to David Revoy • • •Ω 🌍 Gus Posey
in reply to David Revoy • • •Skjeggtroll
in reply to David Revoy • • •Funny. If they wanted to share it with their children, you'd think they'd have done so already by Episode 36.
One one might almost suspect they _aren't_ such an avid reader as they proclaim.
(It also reads like a form letter.)
Glowing Cat of the Nuclear Wastelands likes this.
v0idness
in reply to David Revoy • • •i have never seen any of your work before but now i wanna check it out because its angering the bigots so it must be based as hell
also im a lesbian i love lesbians yes yes yes
Glowing Cat of the Nuclear Wastelands likes this.
thedæmon
in reply to David Revoy • • •Hypolite Petovan
in reply to David Revoy • • •phi1997
in reply to David Revoy • • •The Barking Shark
in reply to David Revoy • • •Oh dear God why haven't these people died off yet!?
...You should respond by adding tongue or something.
Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈
in reply to David Revoy • • •"Hi, I hate Queer people and want to turn my child against them too, could you do as you are told please?"
The entitlement of the Bigot, expecting the world to move for them because "they asked nicely"
#LGBTQIA
Noortje Van Leeuwen
in reply to David Revoy • • •They should learn that not everything is meant for everyone.
this whole "To make your masterpiece (hello emotional manipulation) more accessible to families across diffrent cultures"
actually means "Hey can you just do what i want you to?"
Good for you for standing your ground...
ykastell
in reply to David Revoy • • •BrazMogu (i.e. Bruno Guedes)
in reply to David Revoy • • •OliverUv
in reply to David Revoy • • •crypticcelery
in reply to David Revoy • • •I wonder if people like this will ever give up their fight against reality…
Maybe you can just send a link to this thread as a reply, since the person on the other end might not have written it themselves either.
Stewbs
in reply to David Revoy • • •The audacity is truly baffling!
Serge from Babka
in reply to David Revoy • • •<snark>
This demand makes more sense if you take it under the context of the maintainer of a FLOSS type project.
Unreasonable demands to change your work because of them.
</snark>
David Revoy
in reply to Serge from Babka • • •Serge from Babka
in reply to David Revoy • • •The more time I spend with the letter, the more I see nuances.
Firstly, to their credit, the author isn't admonishing you directly, and they are saying their perspective out loud, which I think is positive. They aren't saying "This is immoral", etc. only that for her and people like her, this isn't acceptable, but he names who those people are, which is good.
...which is what it is. The work isn't for her.
What I think is interesting is how invisible culture is to people.
What might she think of the bisou. People kissing each other's faces all the time would probably freak her out.
But what if she was a Haredi Orthodox Jew, and you had two non-married people of the opposite sex holding hands?
Or what if she was a conservative Muslim offended by Pepper not covering her head?
Like I said, at least she acknowledges her specific perspective.
And anyway, they're free to modify P&C as per the license. 😀
M.S. Bellows, Jr.
in reply to Serge from Babka • • •Stoneface Vimes
in reply to David Revoy • • •Melancholic Mediocrity
in reply to David Revoy • • •GulfofMexico
in reply to David Revoy • • •Dustin Wilson
in reply to David Revoy • • •wiase likes this.
sebsauvage
in reply to David Revoy • • •Space Catitude 🚀
in reply to David Revoy • • •Kudos for not faltering!
Of course, P&C is CC By. It's not like they couldn't make a revised version, if they want it that badly. 🤔
moanos
in reply to David Revoy • • •DEI Enjoyer
in reply to David Revoy • • •Vivilounet 𝄢 de la B A S S E
in reply to David Revoy • • •(Bon courage !)
Bruno Bellamy
in reply to David Revoy • • •CypherS
in reply to David Revoy • • •siona
in reply to David Revoy • • •Hi it's Kylie 🫀
in reply to David Revoy • • •Keep the gay.
C. R. Collins
in reply to David Revoy • • •This just makes me 🤬
"Thanks for your comment reminding me I need to give my readers more of this wonderful couple's story."
S Bodzin, Real American 🇺🇸
in reply to David Revoy • • •fucking snowflakes
Ask if their kids are allowed to see guns
little elf princess likes this.
Jon Dubovsky
in reply to David Revoy • • •jranft
in reply to David Revoy • • •RRB
in reply to David Revoy • • •How about sending the characters to a conversion camp where they get tortured until they renounce their true feelings and spend the rest of their life in psychological agony caused by denying their true feelings?
Would you be willing to do that to satisfy this concerned parent?
It would serve as a warning to their children as to what parents like this are willing to do to them.
Rev. Odessa Cathode Ray
in reply to David Revoy • • •Gordon Meyer
in reply to David Revoy • • •Jan Penfrat
in reply to David Revoy • • •Morgane deSiv
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Alex P. 👹
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Krystal (Beautiful Sky)
in reply to David Revoy • • •- posted by Beautiful Sky
constancies
in reply to David Revoy • • •Phel
in reply to David Revoy • • •The one thing I take away from this is essentially that anyone portrayed as "close friends" in public might actually be a couple. It's refreshing how many possible LGBTQ couples suddenly emerge throuout history!
Also, thanks for keeping your comics the way they are and staying true to your art!
Seiðr
in reply to David Revoy • • •"Dear reader,
I don't want to.
With all my good wishes, etc."
Andre Louis
in reply to David Revoy • • •Robert Kingett
in reply to David Revoy • • •o ifrit
in reply to David Revoy • • •@Illuminatus
Asta McCarthy
in reply to David Revoy • • •Somehow toots like this make me find the support page
peppercarrot.com/en/support/in… 
Stay strong and keep up the good work! 🌈💪
#homophobia #censorship #gay #Christian
Support - Pepper&Carrot
Pepper&CarrotNours
in reply to David Revoy • • •Le Gnou
in reply to David Revoy • • •#Devinette
(for the french people/pour les français.e.s)
🙃 😁
L'email en question a été envoyé par :
- Éric chiottard (0%, 0 votes)
- Christine nous les broute, hein (0%, 0 votes)
- Le pas joli-Jolis de Saintignon (0%, 0 votes)
- La réponse @Daph (faut toujours une réponse Daph☝) (100%, 1 vote)
1 voter. Poll end: 1 month agoPaulo Delgado
in reply to David Revoy • • •Veda Dalsette
in reply to David Revoy • • •meejah
in reply to David Revoy • • •Nicolas Pettiaux
in reply to David Revoy • • •mrsp
in reply to David Revoy • • •nounoursfaisdeschoses
in reply to David Revoy • • •anneguisinherba
in reply to David Revoy • • •Robot Diver
in reply to David Revoy • • •Aedius Filmania ⚙️🎮🖊️
in reply to David Revoy • • •Gray Miller
in reply to David Revoy • • •And now I’m worried that my trans friends will be loaded up in a black van and flown to El Salvador.
Flüpke
in reply to David Revoy • • •Detun3d
in reply to David Revoy • • •@Roboron
Pseudo Nym
in reply to David Revoy • • •Good for you.
Indirectly, I suppose I should thank the bigots. Now I've found a new web comic to read. Just a few episodes in, and it is charming.
I find the "I'm just trying to help you get seen by more people" tone strongly indicative of AI slop messaging.
Such folks have trouble even feigning concern for someone else. The writing is soulless, presumably like the prompter.
Keep in exactly as much gay as you think your story warrants.
I love seeing folks be creative.
Rutger
in reply to David Revoy • • •😳 Smallmindedness knows no boundaries.
On a positive note: they did help me discover Pepper & Carrot! (but please don't change the scene 😉)
Chronic-migraine Ken
in reply to David Revoy • • •stux⚡
in reply to David Revoy • • •Alvyn
in reply to David Revoy • • •Zark Muckerburg
in reply to David Revoy • • •Dr_Bombay
in reply to David Revoy • • •zulu 🇨🇭
in reply to David Revoy • • •Darwin Woodka
in reply to David Revoy • • •cybervegan
in reply to David Revoy • • •cy
in reply to David Revoy • • •Reply to the email, with a note saying "I hope you find this more to your liking" and attach a copy of that particular scene with the kiss circled in red marker and notes penned over the picture like "100% lesbian" "this is how girls kiss, kids!" "plot twist!!♥" or "prettiest love kiss 4 happy futures."
(also don't forget to add Goku)
Crampi
in reply to David Revoy • • •Berto, un huargo (a warg)
in reply to David Revoy • • •An appropriate reply could be "Request for Adjustment to Views Regarding LGBTQ+ Presence".
Their argument, that their suggestion would be accommodating of different cultures, is quite erasive of the presence of LGBTQ+ people everywhere.
It's an example of misappropriating the language of inclusion towards oppression; i.e. it's another form of "tolerating the intolerant", where they want their intolerance of historically marginalized communities to be the dominant and only visible view.
TheZeldaZone👑🏳️⚧️🎮🎀
in reply to David Revoy • • •SkipfordJ
in reply to David Revoy • • •Jetse Sprey
in reply to David Revoy • • •オチュー🕊🇵🇸
in reply to David Revoy • • •Connz
in reply to David Revoy • • •2something
in reply to David Revoy • • •Cognitive Dissidence
in reply to David Revoy • • •Ivan Sagalaev
in reply to David Revoy • • •James 🦉 #FBPE 🇪🇺
in reply to David Revoy • • •Alex G
in reply to David Revoy • • •nboynorge
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to nboynorge • • •@nboynorge ☺️
You can scroll episode 36 here: peppercarrot.com/en/webcomic/e… to find the panel in the context of the episode.
The comic page in English with the panel in high resolution is here: peppercarrot.com/0_sources/ep3…
Episode 36: The Surprise Attack - Pepper&Carrot
Pepper&Carrotnboynorge
in reply to David Revoy • • •Nemo_bis 🌈
in reply to David Revoy • • •Thanks! Reading this episode out of context, I didn't immediately realise which pair was supposedly being too gay, because the kissing couple's assumed genders aren't obvious to me.
What *is* very obvious is the "make love not war" message. If one misses that, they're clearly not trying to propagate the message of the comic.
I wonder if your books are about to be banned in some libraries across the pond.
lccn.loc.gov/2019202002
#PepperCarrot
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lccn.loc.govFeyter
in reply to David Revoy • • •that person literally says: "it's ok to be gay, as long as you never show it, never speak about it and deny it at all circumstances"
How to be an asshole 101
Beata
in reply to David Revoy • • •Beata
in reply to David Revoy • • •beckyszym
in reply to David Revoy • • •_maleficentgirl
in reply to David Revoy • • •Linda Sgoluppi Artist
in reply to David Revoy • • •Crystal_Fish_Caves
in reply to David Revoy • • •Dearest Warm Regards,
Perhaps you are unaware, but people exist that are not like you that also deserve representation. Kindly go fucketh thyself.
Good luck in hell,
your friend
vanbesta ✌️
in reply to David Revoy • • •BoloiD
in reply to David Revoy • • •Elaina إلينا
in reply to David Revoy • • •piku minor!
in reply to David Revoy • • •wait no no point changing the scene, but you could make them roommates! or cousins! the possibilities are endless! (very very /s)
btw is that the comic on the preview for okular pdf viewer? /srs
David Revoy
in reply to piku minor! • • •@piku Thank you, yes okular.kde.org/ has a thumbnail with this episode on it: peppercarrot.com/en/webcomic/e…
💜 Okular
Okular - The Universal Document Viewer
Okular - The Universal Document ViewerValvin (framapiaf)
in reply to David Revoy • • •grutjes
Unknown parent • •Thanks for revealing your true self @SP! Before I block you with pleasure, consider this:
Although you as an IT guy are apparently deeply invested in "natural behaviour" (??) so are LHBTIQ. If you would ever take the trouble of experiencing nature, you would know that animals are just like people, and a large minority of them is gay.
On the other hand, did you ever see an animal that tried to stay virgin until marriage?
What puzzles me the most about Christian bigots like you is this:
If you believe in an omnipotent God that created man in His image, where do you get the audacity to claim that He made a mistake when creating gays?
I'm sure things went very different. When god created men like you, she was only kidding.
Beeks
in reply to David Revoy • • •Liah
in reply to David Revoy • • •ache
in reply to David Revoy • • •I'm sorry David but ... isn't it libre ? I mean, they can fork's it if they want, isn't it ?
I don't want to give them bad idea, they clearly want to "invisibilise" gay people (or worst !). But still, they could have do it and respect others.
No, they want to impose their religion.
David Revoy
in reply to ache • • •@ache Thank you.
Yes, it's libre as in under Creative Commons Attribution. I still have my moral right, and can refuse to have a derivation mentioning my name. Also, all derivations are required to not do as if I endorsed what they did.
That's not much , but legally I have some possibilities if something really bad happens.
LisPi
in reply to David Revoy • • •> I still have my moral right, and can refuse to have a derivation mentioning my name.
So such a project would need an accompanying license notice separate from the work itself but bundled?
> Also, all derivations are required to not do as if I endorsed what they did.
Sounds reasonable.
David Revoy
in reply to LisPi • • •I tried to make a documentation about the best practice for attribution once, peppercarrot.com/en/documentat…
120_License_best_practices - Documentation - Pepper&Carrot
Pepper&CarrotClaratata (brown out arc)
in reply to David Revoy • • •Jennifer 🏳️⚧️ Stellar Empress likes this.
Arthur Vuillard
in reply to David Revoy • • •just to let you know that my kids (5 and 7 years old at the time we first read the book) did not even notice anything special with these lovers.
And that Pepper and Carrot series is one of the most frequent I read before bed time (they chose)
Love is love and should not be hidden to kids
David Revoy
in reply to Arthur Vuillard • • •Arthur Vuillard
in reply to David Revoy • • •I showed your smiley to my kids and they are being jealous I had a smiley from you
But they asked for autographs on their copies of the books, do you plan on being in Lyon soon ?
David Revoy
in reply to Arthur Vuillard • • •@arthru ☺️
Alors pour Lyon, rien de prévu mais la semaine dernière une médiathèque à fait un appel à auteurs et un copain m'a fait postulé après m'avoir demandé si ça m’intéressait. Donc, affaire à suivre, si ça ce fait, ça sera sur le blog.
Sinon, en date prochainement: j'ai Paris début Mars, Limoge fin Mars, et Saint-Brieuc en début Juillet. Idem, je posterai deux semaines avant les événements des billets sur mon blog.
Merrit DeBartolo MD (he/him)
in reply to David Revoy • • •“Dear Mr. Bigot-Pleaser,
My art as it currently stands is plenty accessible to anyone who isn’t a virulent homophobe. Conservative parents’ discomfort is their problem, not mine, and hopefully their discomfort can get them to stop being homophobes.
Cheers,
David”
Jo
in reply to David Revoy • • •Rage Rumbles 🏴☠️🫂🔞
in reply to David Revoy • • •Please only right straight characters.
Warm Regards,
A. Bigot.
rainynight65
in reply to David Revoy • • •what I love most about this is that they didn't even consider that as 'conservative parents' they might not be the target audience.
Not for one second do they imagine there might be things out there that are not made specifically for *them*.
Hadriscus
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Hadriscus • • •Sassinake! - ⊃∪∩⪽
in reply to David Revoy • • •you just know 'brown people' are also a problem to them, and next on the chopping block.
this is like that Black Mirror episode where a mother gets a chip planted in their kids brain so they are literally blinded to the real world.
Mr. Greeb
in reply to David Revoy • • •If there is any silver lining to this, then I suppose it's that at least they tried to ask rather than send hate and rage.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that they don't seem to respect your choices. But in this polarized world, I'll admit that it was... somehow a relief to see someone with a world view I fundamentally disagree with try make a polite request rather than a hateful demand.
Joy Aliza Denebeim
in reply to David Revoy • • •Ronflaix
in reply to David Revoy • • •Deborah Pickett
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in reply to Deborah Pickett • • •William B Peckham
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Antoine Turmel
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in reply to David Revoy • • •estelle
in reply to David Revoy • • •F4GRX Sébastien
Unknown parent • • •Irenes (many)
in reply to David Revoy • • •sotolf
in reply to David Revoy • • •thedoctor
in reply to sotolf • • •sotolf
in reply to thedoctor • • •thedoctor
in reply to sotolf • • •sotolf
in reply to thedoctor • • •thedoctor
in reply to sotolf • • •sotolf
in reply to thedoctor • • •thedoctor
in reply to sotolf • • •As I see it we're not on different sides here.
sotolf
in reply to thedoctor • • •thedoctor
in reply to sotolf • • •sotolf
in reply to thedoctor • • •Yeah, no, I'm not saying that it's impossible, just not likely.
So am I, no hard feelings anyway 😀
That username
in reply to David Revoy • • •I can not ask someone else to be respectful of my values if I am unwilling to respect theirs. Respect does not mean agreeing with an opinion, but it means to hear it out.
F4GRX Sébastien
in reply to That username • • •grutjes likes this.
That username
in reply to F4GRX Sébastien • • •I have made an artistic decision which we have different views over. I have decided to leave it as is but thanks for your feedback.
F4GRX Sébastien
in reply to That username • • •grutjes likes this.
That username
in reply to F4GRX Sébastien • • •David Revoy
in reply to That username • • •@That_username @f4grx Hey, That_username, no the respectfulness of the message is an illusion.
It's full of manipulation tactics such as flattery, charm and seduction ('masterpiece/wonderful/beautiful/magical') , a call to social norm (eg. "many conservative parents worlwide", "different cultures"), playing the victim (eg. "more accessible", also a 'mirroring' tactic using a vocabulary used by people caring about other humans).
Respectfulness in surface but not at core is not respectfulness.
F4GRX Sébastien
in reply to David Revoy • • •Ivor Hewitt
in reply to David Revoy • • •dataf#z̧̽̿̋̊̊̃ͨ̎̈́҉z̎̃ͦ̍͋͛̆ͯ͜
in reply to David Revoy • • •Bernard Marks
in reply to David Revoy • • •Looking for explanations…
in reply to David Revoy • • •SeigeA
in reply to David Revoy • • •Eggler
in reply to David Revoy • • •suzanne
in reply to David Revoy • • •Steve Lekowicz 🏳️🌈 🇺🇦
in reply to David Revoy • • •Yami no senshi
in reply to David Revoy • • •Luchuco Cadáver
in reply to David Revoy • • •Dean F.
in reply to David Revoy • • •ygor
in reply to David Revoy • • •Lukewarm Skywalker 🇨🇦🇧🇧
in reply to David Revoy • • •Kristin (vis.social Admin)
in reply to David Revoy • • •Peter Koopman 🦣
in reply to David Revoy • • •💖 Pouhiou 💖
in reply to David Revoy • • •"indecency" is not showing a loving kiss.
"Indecency" is taking tome to write an email asking an artistes not to show love.
Thanks for showing us the true face of indecency 💖
Julianoë
in reply to 💖 Pouhiou 💖 • • •perfect example of polite hate. Damn.
Fabian Michael
in reply to David Revoy • • •PP44
in reply to David Revoy • • •this is an incredible email to write ! How can people feel so much fear/hate toward a representation that :
- Is literally a display of love
- Is not about them or impact them in any way
- Is a work of *fiction*
(- and of course respect consent)
Wanting to impose your life choices on others, about absolutly harmless choices, is something I just don't understand. I feel so sad for the children raised by parents with this kind of consideration in mind 😞
Carolyn
in reply to David Revoy • • •Bard likes this.
Karl Dearnley
in reply to David Revoy • • •I have given this email more consideration than it is due already. Now, fuck off. Then keep fucking off. Fuck off until you come up to a gate with a sign saying ‘You Can’t Fuck Off Past Here.’ Climb over the gate, dream the impossible dream, and keep fucking off forever.
Softwarewolf
in reply to David Revoy • • •Cascadia Secession Zone
in reply to David Revoy • • •Giselle
in reply to David Revoy • • •What a bloody cheek! As we say here in the UK. I get the feeling that this might be part of a bigger campaign by not just this person but others too. I hope they get LOADS of pushback.
Not that you have to but I would be so tempted to write back along the lines of, yes, isn't it wonderful that there are many couples, same-sex, opposite-sex, etc, who love each other and it is such a joy to write about them all! With your encouragement I'll write even more about same-sex couples!!
calcifer
in reply to David Revoy • • •@RadicalEdward I will never understand the parents who think that they’re doing a good thing by “not exposing kids to” things they’d prefer didn’t exist.
I’d be doing such a huge disservice towards my kids if I tried to keep them from hearing about things like fundamentalism, for example. Instead of keeping it from them, why would you not want to simply discuss your values when such things come up?
Karen E. Lund 💙💛
in reply to David Revoy • • •In which...
"Some parents" means "me."
"Exposing children" means "if they even noticed, which most probably didn't."
"Pepper's magical world" means "there are some things even magic can't fix."
draco
in reply to David Revoy • • •honestly, having been told that queer people exist and that queer love is valid and good at a younger age would have been life-changing for teenage me
Queer kids deserve representation and role models.
stony kark
in reply to David Revoy • • •Amelis
in reply to David Revoy • • •Marcel Abraas
in reply to David Revoy • • •Desatyr
in reply to David Revoy • • •That is so unbelievable.
My kids and me found it really nice, that you have included gay characters.
It has made my day 👍
Strypey
in reply to David Revoy • • •US movies are often subtly edited in just the way this letter suggests, so they can be sold in markets like China where the existence of same-sex relationships is denied.
@kims
Lord Tacitus 🇮🇪
in reply to David Revoy • • •Shoo, shoo, back in the closet you go.
Gross! Interpret their relationship naturally? Ugh XP. This is so skin crawlingly self righteous and supremacist. So gross!
dimi
in reply to David Revoy • • •Botolo
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Botolo • • •Bard
in reply to David Revoy • • •F4GRX Sébastien
Unknown parent • • •ִֶָ☾.Azurry✧💗
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to ִֶָ☾.Azurry✧💗 • • •Fragarach
in reply to David Revoy • • •Mark vW
in reply to David Revoy • • •KevinOnEarth
in reply to David Revoy • • •And that they & "many conservative parents worldwide" should maybe just lock up their kids & never let them out to see the rest of the wide, wide world.
Joshua Barretto
in reply to David Revoy • • •Giacomo Alessandroni
in reply to David Revoy • • •blairelle
in reply to David Revoy • • •Vincent Cantin
in reply to David Revoy • • •La meilleur reponse que j'imagine (a lire avec la voix "Jedi Trick" de Starwars):
David: - "Those are not the Pepper & Carrot you are looking for"
Soldier from the dark side: - "These are not the Pepper & Carrot we are looking for. Let's move on."
janolap1
in reply to David Revoy • • •Non mais sans rire...
Soutien complet, M.Revoy !
arkhi
in reply to David Revoy • • •I guess kindly asking them to make small adjustments to their faith would make some sense.
It would allow more people to live in peace, and not expose a whole population to repressive behaviours.
Good luck with this crowd; you’re doing great!
Kit Rhett Aultman
in reply to David Revoy • • •What I find most offensive about this "request" is the idea that somehow it's a good thing for you to compromise your creative vision so that it's palatable for an audience you have no interest in catering to in the first place.
I'd be inclined to say something like "Thank you for your email, but I fear you are mistaken about the nature of your relationship to Pepper & Carrot. It is not intended for people who aren't comfortable sharing same-sex relationships with their children."
ಚಿರಾಗ್ 🌹✊🏾Ⓥ🌱🇵🇸 (he/him)
in reply to David Revoy • • •Garden Punk
in reply to David Revoy • • •Easy to conpose a reply
"No"
Lol, or
"No, also the cow dragon was gay."
David Revoy
in reply to Garden Punk • • •Trit’
in reply to David Revoy • • •J’ai pas lu les 300+ réponses, mais si je pouvais proposer trois réponses possibles :
1. “Bonjour. Non. Ciao et 🖕”
2. Lui envoyer une image du couple en question en train de se rouler une pelle bien baveuse.
3. Lui envoyer une ou plusieurs de ces images (chopées chez @sebsauvage) :
Ronald Marillier
in reply to David Revoy • • •The key is patience not aggression.
I'm no homophobe, at least I think I'm not. I have gay friends, hell a very good gay friend was the best man at my wedding. With older folks, genZ and below Media did not portray homosexuality often.
It's like making a vegetarian consume meat or vica versa.
Not everybody can deal with a quick change like that.
Be patient a little more informative. Aggression won't f
Ronald Marillier
in reply to David Revoy • • •"Christian Values" have little to do with it. It is a cultural response.
I am a christian. - just know that Jesus himself chilled not with the "those who upheld the Law" but with those outside of the normal "the law" who are not only the sinners but also tax collectors etc.
The issue is media exposure from a cultural perspective. Homo/bi/etc sexuality was never a common thing in media over the ages.
Media is consumed. Ask a veggie to suddenly eat meat and vica versa..WWJD?
Blender Dumbass ( J.Y.Amihud )
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David Revoy
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Mr. Lance E Sloan (IRL) 👤
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