Accusations of #plagiarism or #AI use in writing must be supported by a preponderance of credible evidence, not em-dashes and vibes and how things sound to someone's ear.
The burden of proof rests with the person making the accusation. THE BURDEN OF PROVING INNOCENCE DOES NOT REST WITH THE AUTHOR. This standard must apply equally to all writers.
Defending due process is not the same as defending misconduct, and it is important.
RaymondPierreL3
in reply to CT Liotta • • •#WritingCommunity #Writing #TextRegurgitatingMachines
CT Liotta
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in reply to CT Liotta • • •doomsey
in reply to CT Liotta • • •@RaymondPierreL3 I strongly believe that the dogmatic anti-AI stance in most of the creative community is harmful. I donāt want to discount the genuine harm various forms of LLMs cause. Are LLMs use for edit checks any worse than traditional grammar checks? I donāt understand that position. Theyāre also useful tools for development tasksā research and brainstorming come to mind.
By being dogmatic, we ensure nobody listens to the underlying real concerns.
CT Liotta
in reply to doomsey • • •@doomsey @RaymondPierreL3
To me, he problem I see with the dogma is best expressed this way:
Strict parents raise sneaky children.
doomsey
in reply to CT Liotta • • •RaymondPierreL3
in reply to doomsey • • •I also fooled around with ChatGPT for a *whole day* only to get frustrated at the shallow and listless (emotionless, placid, zombie-like) writing it producedā¦ totally YUK.
CT Liotta
in reply to doomsey • • •@doomsey @RaymondPierreL3
I bet you're also guilty of adopting the printing press! With movable type, nonetheless!
RaymondPierreL3
in reply to CT Liotta • • •Johnson Alfred
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in reply to Johnson Alfred • • •@johnson @RaymondPierreL3
I appreciate the difficulty. I'm not sure that performing forensics on written works is even a sustainable approach, especially as LLMs get better at creating. I appreciate veracity, authenticity, creativity, craft... All that. But, I love writing. With the public at large not really caring and using GPT to find biscuit recipes and create letters to their mechanics, I'm starting to think writing as we know and love it is going to turn into an artisan niche.
Johnson Alfred
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RaymondPierreL3
in reply to Johnson Alfred • • •Agreed
Johnson Alfred
in reply to RaymondPierreL3 • •Absolutely. Are you currently working on anything yourself, or have you recently completed a writing project? Iād be interested to hear what youāre working on.
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RaymondPierreL3
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@johnson
I haven’t written anything in two years or so… it’s not that I have what is commonly called a writer’s block. I have a lot to say atm, given the world we live in, but that it’s not what I wish to write about. I do not write for a living and, for me, writing is strictly a selfish pursuit. Though I have blogged a few short stories, I do not seek to be ‘published’ as such. I have plot lines and characters all set to go for two novels should I feel a need to write longer works and they’ll sit in the files until then. I prefer to write magic realism shorts because the world is indeed full of magic — we have long since decided not to notice it. Though retired, I am kept busy through my eclectic interests and taking note of all the magical phenomenon that occur in my daily awakenings.
What about you?
... Show more...PS. I find it odd that I cannot see any of your toots when I look at your profile. I m
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@johnson
I havenāt written anything in two years or soā¦ itās not that I have what is commonly called a writerās block. I have a lot to say atm, given the world we live in, but that itās not what I wish to write about. I do not write for a living and, for me, writing is strictly a selfish pursuit. Though I have blogged a few short stories, I do not seek to be āpublishedā as such. I have plot lines and characters all set to go for two novels should I feel a need to write longer works and theyāll sit in the files until then. I prefer to write magic realism shorts because the world is indeed full of magic ā we have long since decided not to notice it. Though retired, I am kept busy through my eclectic interests and taking note of all the magical phenomenon that occur in my daily awakenings.
What about you?
PS. I find it odd that I cannot see any of your toots when I look at your profile. I might be overlooking some āsettingsā in my #Mastodon client.
#WritingCommunity #Writing
Johnson Alfred
in reply to RaymondPierreL3 • •Thatās a fascinating way to approach writing. I especially like what you said about magic realism and noticing the āmagicā in everyday life. Your two novel ideas sitting quietly in your files sounds like theyāre simply waiting for the right moment.
As for me, Iām Johnson. Iām a writer, Book Editor, and Story Consultant, so I spend a lot of time around manuscripts, stories, and the creative process. I also work with authors on developing and refining their stories, which is something I genuinely enjoy.
And yes, youāre probably not overlooking anything with my profile. Iām still getting everything organized here, so I appreciate you pointing that out. š
Iād actually be interested to hear about one of those magic-realism stories youāve written. What kind of everyday āmagicā do you usually find yourself writing about?
RaymondPierreL3
in reply to CT Liotta • • •Spelling and grammar checking tools are based on dictionary entries and grammatical rules, *not* statistically computed edits that *sound* like theyāre acceptable (which is what LLM GenAI produces). There are worlds of differences involved here.
Letās not forget the #LLM #GenAI software is designed to output statistically reasonable text (with a deliberate bias to *faun* and *flatter*) based on everything that was ingested off the internet (fake, true, lies, demented ravings of lunatics, all included). LLM GenAi does not produce anything of its own, it merely regurgitates words it has ingested cobbled together in a way that sounds reasonable as an answer to some prompt.
The biggest problem in these discussions is that little effort is made to define what one means by *AI* ā an umbrella term for all kinds of very different computational tools and applications.
/end_of_rant/
I apologise if any of the above sounds like Iām aiming at the messenger. That is far from my intent.
Johnson Alfred
in reply to RaymondPierreL3 • •Thatās a fascinating way to approach writing. I especially like what you said about magic realism and noticing the āmagicā in everyday life. Your two novel ideas sitting quietly in your files sounds like theyāre simply waiting for the right moment.
As for me, Iām Johnson. Book Editor, and Story Consultant, so I spend a lot of time around manuscripts, stories, and the creative process. I also work with authors on developing and refining their stories, which is something I genuinely enjoy.
And yes, youāre probably not overlooking anything with my profile. Iām still getting everything organized here, so I appreciate you pointing that out. š
Iād actually be interested to hear about one of those magic-realism stories youāve written. What kind of everyday āmagicā do you usually find yourself writing about?