A curated list of non-U.S.-based alternatives to popular services, focusing on privacy and global accessibility.
GitHub - anitwek/alternatives-to-us: A curated list of non-U.S.-based alternatives to popular services, focusing on privacy and global accessibility.
A curated list of non-U.S.-based alternatives to popular services, focusing on privacy and global accessibility. - anitwek/alternatives-to-usGitHub
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AlexWIWA
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in reply to Glide • • •Tldr is:
There is censorship baked into the model but because the weights are public, it can be removed /bypassed. In contrast the deepseek web app includes both kinds of censorship (and also definitely steals your data). The local model obviously does not.
teuto
in reply to Honse • • •My local version spat out this:
Of course, let me explain. In 1989, there were significant pro-democracy demonstrations in Beijing's Tiananmen Square, led primarily by students and other citizens advocating for reforms. The Chinese government, in response, took actions that resulted in a tragic loss of life and a strong suppression of the protests. It's a complex and sensitive topic in Chinese history. Do you have any specific aspects you'd like to discuss further?
Deepseek R1 is the least censored model that I've tried. It does a lot less of the "As an AI assistant, I can't help with unethical whatever" compared to the corporate approved US ones too.
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FaceDeer
in reply to teuto • • •Scary le Poo
in reply to teuto • • •Fwiw, chatgpt gave me a full historical account of the incident., after some prodding, so did deepseek local.
Deepseek local is easy to remove the guardrails though.
FaceDeer
in reply to Glide • • •ReversalHatchery
in reply to Glide • • •the spying, yes, if you make sure and apply a per-process whitelisting firewall on the system.
the biasing, no, that's in the model.
sunstoned
in reply to metaStatic • • •You're right, the server, cryptographic library, and all clients are open source.
That said, I have a few personal caveats.
GitHub - signalapp/Signal-Server: Server supporting the Signal Private Messenger applications on Android, Desktop, and iOS
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metaStatic
in reply to sunstoned • • •I was talking entirely about Deepseek.
I never would have bothered to check because someone already pointed out Signal is US based but that is very interesting.
so thank you.
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in reply to Creat • • •Because their CEO praises Trump?
I know you didn't say that I just wanted to point that out!
kambusha
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European alternatives for popular services | European Alternatives
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NuXCOM_90Percent
in reply to Viri4thus • • •They didn't "pay vassalage to trump". They spewed the same libertarian tech bro bullshit that most companies trying to cozy up to a new administration did. And the damage control responses align with that.
It isn't particularly good. But on the list of "privacy" corporations that are potentially honeypots, they still rank fairly low.
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in reply to GrumpyDuckling • • •NuXCOM_90Percent
Unknown parent • • •Sorry, just to check: your evidence is "I think I read it somewhere?". If it weren't for "weak argument, dismissed" being too "cringe" even for ME...
If you have evidence, please actually provide it. If you don't, please shut your opinion hole.
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That actually seems like a good background to have for working on software/products like this?
Also, people should actually LOOK at what proton "promises". Mostly it boils down to limited protections and suggested tools to protect yourself. Which is why, as a company, I like them. They aren't promising to fight all the governments of the world. In fact, they are pretty open that they are gonna roll over because they don't know you. But what they do claim to turn over? Combine that with some opsec and personal encryption and you are in a really "good" place for someone who has a warrant out on them.
Contrast that with all the companies that DO make wild claims about having zero
... Show more...Sorry, just to check: your evidence is "I think I read it somewhere?". If it weren't for "weak argument, dismissed" being too "cringe" even for ME...
If you have evidence, please actually provide it. If you don't, please shut your opinion hole.
And
That actually seems like a good background to have for working on software/products like this?
Also, people should actually LOOK at what proton "promises". Mostly it boils down to limited protections and suggested tools to protect yourself. Which is why, as a company, I like them. They aren't promising to fight all the governments of the world. In fact, they are pretty open that they are gonna roll over because they don't know you. But what they do claim to turn over? Combine that with some opsec and personal encryption and you are in a really "good" place for someone who has a warrant out on them.
Contrast that with all the companies that DO make wild claims about having zero data and being willing to go to nu-gitmo for their customers and blah blah blah.
The reality is: if you are doing something the CIA should care about, you... probably shouldn't be doing email at all. That said, there are ways to reduce your risk factor and they almost all boil down to communicating with trusted and vetted individuals where you can actually encrypt communications yourself rather than relying on a company to do so.
But if you are mostly just pirating shit or writing graphic lemons about threesomes involving trump, xinnie, and putin? Meh. You can do a lot worse.
Canadian_Cabinet
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in reply to Canadian_Cabinet • • •NuXCOM_90Percent
Unknown parent • • •I am not making arguments for US politics. I am not here to give you "something (you) can use in future discussion with others"
I am telling you that you have no evidence whatsoever but you are spewing bullshit. You are just as bad as trump making up bullshit about how he read a report that nuking a hurricane would solve all problems. Your argument is literally "I think I heard somewhere"
We are all scared. We are all trying to protect ourselves. Maybe you can be an ally instead of an agitator, hmm?
NuXCOM_90Percent
Unknown parent • • •Yeah. And trump totally read an article somewhere that black trans people are the root of all evil. He can't find it right now, but totally trust him on that.
I don't know if you are just this stupid or if you are actually trying to undermine those who are trying to make educated decisions on what they should or should not "trust" communication wise (you'll note that I all but say "don't trust proton. protect yourself").
But either find that mystery article so that people can make educated decisions or shut the fuck up.
NuXCOM_90Percent
Unknown parent • • •Ah. Thank you for actually finally citing yourself.
I actually HAD seen that before so:
- .Protonmail Behaves like a CIA/NSA “Honeypot”: This is an incredibly sensationalized point that boils down to them having a really shit TOR page. And, agreed. But "In fact, the only other websites that operate like this are suspected NSA/CIA Honeypots." is very much false. LOTS of sites are configured in a really shitty manner which gets back to people having to understand the tools they use.
- Protonmail Does Not Provide “End to End Encryption”: Yeah. Which gets back to what I have been saying the entire time. If you actually care about your security, encrypt your own emails. Nobody should EVER trust a company to do encryption for them when it actually matters. Which speaks to the quality of proton as a service, not it being a "honeypot"
- . Protonmail’s Was Created Under CIA/NSA Oversight: That article is almost entirely them just repeating that same inflammatory statement over and over. But it boils down to having issues with somethi
... Show more...Ah. Thank you for actually finally citing yourself.
I actually HAD seen that before so:
You see, when you actually post a link to stuff people can discuss what you are talking about and explain why you are misinformed and clearly referencing a somewhat deranged hit piece.
The main takeaway from that? They are, at worst, as bad as gmail. Except with a much smaller customer base and at least more open that they want you to pay for functionality rather than not question what google is doing with your data.
And, as proton themselves even say: if it actually matters, encrypt your own emails. That way Proton Corp don't have anything they can give to their CIA/Mossad/Swiss overlords.
If the only way you care about people protecting their privacy and very selfs is if someone is nice to you and cuddles you and thanks you for spewing uncited nonsense...
Queen HawlSera
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in reply to cyrano • • •Rakuten is very privacy invasive imo
Ulrich
in reply to cyrano • • •Where do I even start with this?
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Natanox
in reply to Ulrich • • •All three browsers recommended are Chromium-based as well, so they're dependent on Google and have to suffer from the Manifest v3 problem and the necessary manual intervention. Brave even is known for being maintained by a dick. Some of those recommendations are really bad.
Don't get your second question though. The reasons for non-US should be obvious.
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Ulrich
in reply to Natanox • • •Well they're obviously not so maybe you can enlighten me.
floquant
in reply to Ulrich • • •You know how Americans think Chinese and Russian services are bad because of their government's use of user data?
It's the same for us non-americans with American platforms. All the "anti-terror" laws have made them a privacy nightmare
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