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Hedgewizard 🐈

@tragivictoria @crazyeddie
We watch the monitoring feeds nervously down in NZ because it affects our rates of skin cancer and cataracts. It just about skins over and then reopens for a while on a seasonal basis at the moment

stats.govt.nz/indicators/ozone…

Ozone hole | Stats NZ

The ozone hole reaches its maximum annual size, and minimum ozone concentration, during the Southern Hemisphere spring.
www.stats.govt.nz
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Niklas

I think this worked because there was a known solution to the problem, and the solution involved selling people more stuff (like, everyone should buy a new fridge!). Capitalism is great at making people buy more stuff.
It's nothing like the climate crisis, because that requires us to make / consume / produce *less* things.
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WesDym

@nilclass A big difference is that it didn't affect current manufacturers. The people who made refrigerators that used CFCs only had to make and sell a DIFFERENT kind of fridge, but they still got to make and sell them. In fact, they got to enjoy HIGHER sales. The industries responsible for the problem were also the solution.

It's different for fossil fuels. You can't convert an oil derrick to a solar farm. Regulation of CO2 is bad for them, so obviously they resist it.

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Phil Thane ✅

About the same time there was an acid rain crisis caused by flaring at oil wells and refineries plus increasing use of diesel fuel containing sulfur. We dealt with that too. Flaring is restricted and in most places low-sulfur diesel is mandatory. Unfortunately politicians worldwide decided they couldn't seriously tackle fossil fuel emissions.

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WesDym

@jerrej He knew the answer. This is what conservatives do. Frank Wilhoit's essay about this explains why. They're after POWER, that's it, and to hell with other people. Any lie that advances their goal is justified in their mind for that reason. He knew that his OWN followers didn't know better. That's all this is about. "Hey, remember that BS about the ozone layer? Same BS now about climate change!" He knows. He has no shame about it.

To be fair, he probably can't make a living any other way.

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WesDym

@Halaana For many of them, that comes too late. A lot of anti-vaxxers begged for vax when they were being put on a ventilator -- long after it was too late for them. Then wondered why they were denied. They never understood, and often their surviving family didn't either, and think there's some kind of conspiracy against them. Because I guess that's easier than the hard task of learning Reality. Or having to admit you were wrong.
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Piranhallama

@shaknais @scbarton as a fridge person, HCFC22 is a particularly useful substance. HFC23 is a by-product. Whilst R23 has no ozone depletion potential, it does have a global warming potential around 14000 kg•CO2 equivalent. At least coal is slowly being replaced as the power source for production. Unfortunately, R22 production has a much bigger impact than "only" the ODP.

R22 is a prolific intermediary for the production of many fluoropolymers. PTFE, of which Teflon is a trade name for a particular blend, is a particularly ubiquitous example known to most people. There are many more.

Some countries are still producing vast amounts of R22. Article 5 countries have until 2030 to phase it out under the schedule. As a refrigerant, it is readily available in many countries the world over despite the Montreal Protocol and future amendments. It is hard to believe it won't persist beyond 2030.

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M Schommer

@LPerry2 @jirpok
Acid rain is another good example for the same class of problems, being solved by the same process. Also both problems were solved without real impact to the lifes of 99.9% of people: Hairsprays & fridges changed, & now all cars use unleaded fuel. But that's all, normal consumer life went on.
Unfortunately, it's not *that* easy to fix the climate catastrophe, but after those 2 miraculous experiences in the past, ppl are expecting another wonder, no painful & costly changes.
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