Global Switch Day. February 1st 2025.
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Don't know enough about the Signal vs. Matrix subject to have an opinion, but Signal Foundation is a non-profit:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal…
American non-profit organization
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Andres Jalinton
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Got it. Thanks. Again, no specific expertise. Will add the Matrix graphic to the thread.
Joxe Rojas 🥐
in reply to Mastodon Migration • • •Is there such thing as a #globalswitchday ‘official’ website where one can get the images and/or possibly translate them?
Thanks in advance 😀
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No idea. Just got this from @dansup post
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in reply to Mastodon Migration • • •Some feel like Matrix is a better alternative to WhatsApp due to its being decentralized.
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Here is a revised graphic:
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matrix.orgJens Ljungkvist
in reply to Mastodon Migration • • •Why?
Signal is super easy to use for anyone. Matrix, while decentralised, takes some work and prior knowledge to get going.
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Don't have enough knowledge to have a horse in this race. Just presenting both options.
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in reply to Jens Ljungkvist • • •Signal compared to Matrix is like Bluesky compared to Mastodon. better than WhatsApp but not good enough.
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in reply to Joe • • •Sure. But we also want people to be able to join easily. Matrix isn’t joined easily. To me, Signal is like BlueSky. It isn’t the best option, but it’s far better than where everybody is right now. And we need to get people moving and checking out the options.
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It's a trap!
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in reply to Mastodon Migration • • •One of these things is not like the others. Signal is a centralized silo. Try the Snikket/Jabber network instead (XMPP protocol).
#XMPP
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I imagine most people who want the easy path, and don't care about centralized silos, will probably stick with WhatsApp.
These days, thanks to @snikket_im , there's a pretty simple app for both Android and iOS, with end-to-end encryption on by default. And they've put a lot of work into making it easy to host your own Snikket server, and give easy invitations to your friends to download the app and get an account on your server. There's a paid hosting option, as well as a docker container. Not everyone will be able to self-host a Snikket server, but I don't think you need to be an ultra geek any more.
#XMPP #Snikket #selfHosting
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in reply to Tim Makarios • • •@TMakarios @snikket_im @ghouston @sbb "Not everyone will be able to self-host a Snikket server, but I don't think you need to be an ultra geek any more." Okay, but even if you only need to be a little bit of a geek, WHY would anyone WANT to self-host a #Skikket server? It's still some effort and it still requires you have a domain and it probably still requires you to deal with certificates (which is a real headache if you don't have and don't want a web server). Why not just use #Signal, which is totally FREE and already set up and where they have done all the work for you?
If you go to the Sni
... Show more...@TMakarios @snikket_im @ghouston @sbb "Not everyone will be able to self-host a Snikket server, but I don't think you need to be an ultra geek any more." Okay, but even if you only need to be a little bit of a geek, WHY would anyone WANT to self-host a #Skikket server? It's still some effort and it still requires you have a domain and it probably still requires you to deal with certificates (which is a real headache if you don't have and don't want a web server). Why not just use #Signal, which is totally FREE and already set up and where they have done all the work for you?
If you go to the Snikket quick-start guide one of the first things it says is:
Requirements
To follow this guide you will need:
A server running Linux that you have SSH or terminal access to
A domain name that you can create subdomains on
Most non-techie types will not have either of those, and even if they have a Linux server they may not want to expose it to the Internet. Or, of course, Snikket provides Snikket Hosting at "$6 USD or less, per month" for up to 10 active users. WHY would I want to spend that when Signal is completely free, and a much larger percentage of people have actually heard of Signal?
And I again want to mention that certificate business. Most #XMPP clients these days either completely refuse to talk to a server that has only a self-signed certificate, or will not allow anything other that the most basic text messaging (no sharing of files or photos - #Gajim is an example of such a client). So unless you want to settle for text messaging only, you have to go through the hassle of obtaining, and then periodically renewing a certificate, probably from Let's Encrypt. And as part of that process they want you to have a web server running that they can access. Yes, there is an alternate method that involves monkeying with DNS records but now you are REALLY getting into the weeds. Most people are either not running a web server, or if they are they are they may not want to make it publicly accessible. This is as much a fault of Let's Encrypt as it is of XMPP clients but it is still a HUGE complication that most people have no desire to deal with
And where is the instructional video that walks you through setting up a Skikket server, for those that might be willing to try but that are visual learners? Is there even a demo video that gives some idea what a running Skikket instance looks like?
I get it, running your own Skikket server is very appealing to certain techie types; to them it's a fun project to set up. But will they still want to be running it five or ten years from now? Signal will probably still be around (though nothing is guaranteed) but a lot of the people who think setting up their own server is fun now will have moved on. And for the 99% of the population that has absolutely zero interest in running their own server, Signal is a much better and totally free alternative that requires very little effort to set up. If they did not require a phone number they'd be perfect (and while they do require a phone number to get started, it doesn't necessarily have to be YOUR cell phone's number, not that that makes it much better).
#selfHosting
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in reply to maple • • •maple
in reply to joshim • • •@joshim @TMakarios @snikket_im @ghouston @sbb Well "not all that hard" is not exactly a ringing endorsement, but again it fails to answer the WHY question. Far more people have heard of and use Signal, and it is much easier than #xmpp . It does have one big drawback in that it asks for a phone number, but sadly most people don't seem to mind giving that up. So WHY would someone choose xmpp over Signal?
I wish the xmpp proponents would answer the one big question I keep asking in various ways. If you want people to use xmpp so badly, why don't you come up wit
... Show more...@joshim @TMakarios @snikket_im @ghouston @sbb Well "not all that hard" is not exactly a ringing endorsement, but again it fails to answer the WHY question. Far more people have heard of and use Signal, and it is much easier than #xmpp . It does have one big drawback in that it asks for a phone number, but sadly most people don't seem to mind giving that up. So WHY would someone choose xmpp over Signal?
I wish the xmpp proponents would answer the one big question I keep asking in various ways. If you want people to use xmpp so badly, why don't you come up with an easy to install (preferably cross-platform) GUI-based xmpp server that requires minimal configuration and that anyone can install and run? And also why don't the clients give people the option to not require a fucking certificate (or at least accept a self-signed certificate), or else the server needs to totally automate the process of getting and renewing the certificate? Oh, the Docker container does that? What the hell is Docker and why do I want to mess with that, is what normal users will say.
Techie types need to get it through their apparently very thick skulls that if they think something is "not all that hard", the typical user will look at that and say "that's ridiculous, I can just install Signal (or their favorite app) and get on with my life." Nerds are going to nerd, but if they really think normal users are going to follow that path they must be using some pretty strong drugs. If you don't want to take the effort to make things super easy for users, you are just yelling at clouds when you promote xmpp.
(Also, please stop assuming that everyone who uses a messaging app is doing so on a phone. Many older people can barely use a phone to make phone calls. Yeah, I know, you have a 95 year old uncle who gets around on his phone just fine, but many other older folks grew up in the days of rotary dials - or no dial at all, just an operator that came on the line and said "Number, please" - and modern phones totally flummox them. So they use a desktop computer for such activities).
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Thanks for the suggestion!
I haven’t had a Jabber/XMPP account since my iChat days.
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Thanks. PieFed looks cool.
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Bluesky isn't public social media.
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