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Gaël Duval is the founder and president of the /e/ foundation along with the CEO of Murena. Duval and his organizations have consistently taken a stance against protecting users from exploits. In this video, he once again claims protecting against exploits is only useful for pedophiles and spies.
Translation to English:
> There's the attack surface, on that front we're not security specialists here, so I couldn't answer you precisely, but from the discussions I've had, it seems that everything
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Transcription in French:
> Il y a la surface d'attaque, là pour le coup on est pas des spécialistes de la sécurité, donc je ne pourrais pas te répondre avec précision, mais des discussions que j'ai eu, il semblerait que tout ce qu'on fait, ça réduit la surface d'attaque. Donc oui, probablement ça aide. Par contre, on a pas une approche "sécurité durcie", on développe pas un téléphone pour les pédo(bip) pour qu'ils puissent échapper à la justice. Donc il y a pas des trucs pas possibles pour voir
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Here are several particularly egregious examples:
leparisien.fr/faits-divers/tel…
leparisien.fr/faits-divers/goo…
franceinfo.fr/faits-divers/nar…
Gaël Duval and Murena participated in these attacks. They even spread harassment content towards our team and shared it with sites attacking us.
Les téléphones Google Pixel équipés du système d’exploitation GrapheneOS permettent à des criminels de dissimuler leurs échanges. Johanna BJulien Constant (leparisien.fr)
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/e/ and Murena have their own privacy invasive behavior in their apps and services. One particularly egregious example is their supposedly private speech-to-text service sending user data to OpenAI without consent instead of doing most locally like Apple:
community.e.foundation/t/voice…
As I was reading the Murena’s terms of use I discovered that the voice to text feature introduced with e/OS/ 3.0 is using the Open AI API. That means our voice is sent to Open AI so they can translate it to text./e/OS community
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Here's a paywall bypass for the 2 paywalled articles above:
These are among the most egregious cases of France's corporate and state media presenting highly inaccurate state smearing of GrapheneOS as fact but there's much more.
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And this thing is old, for example, back when the first versions of Firefox were released, France had demanded versions of Firefox with significantly reduced security to allow law enforcement agencies to take remote control of it. I didn’t know about it at the time; I was too young, but I know it happened.
During the gradual transition to encrypting the web, France was reluctant and initially wanted to limit encryption to states websites and banks.
Surveillance by the French government has taken an even more aggressive turn since 2015, following the Charlie Hebdo attacks.
The GDPR has so far proven ineffective, and it is mainly due to the censorship and decisions of the Constitutional Council and the Court of Justice of the European Union that the French government is prevented from going further than it would like, but every year, it tries to circumvent these decisions.
To be fair, Signal lies about their actual security, particularly regarding metadata protection.
passthesalt.ubicast.tv/videos/…
Olvid, a French IM, arguably offers better privacy than Signal, by design. But they are French, so I don't trust them either for the reasons you listed in this thread.
@simplex is way ahead of Signal and Olvid, privacy/security-wise.
Twelve years after the public specification of the Signal protocol, almost all instant messaging protocols have embraced the ratchet construct, granting perfect forward secrecy and post-compromise security.Pass the SALT Archives
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@x_cli @simplex We listed Signal as an example of another serious privacy project which Duval has repeatedly attacked and misled people about. It wasn't a recommendation of Signal over other options, but we don't agree with your assessment about Olvid.
We've never seen Signal lying about privacy or security. What exactly are you referring to?
We've seen /e/ and Murena doing it relentlessly and we can show many examples of it as we've been doing including here:
grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/…
Duval has a history of claiming serious privacy and security protections only help pedophiles, criminals and spies. He has explicitly smeared GrapheneOS this way repeatedly, but also attacks privacy projects in general as he did there./e/ and Murena products have poor privacy and atrocious security. Here's information on that with links to coverage by third party experts:
discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134…
We can make an expanded article with more info and more links to 3rd party experts included too.
Signal is still lying that the safest way to install is via the Google Playstore. This entails installing Google services on your phone AND accepting the terms and conditions set by Google. That's not safe at all, it's accepting dystopia.
Safest way is via the F-Droid store (@fdroidorg), using the GuardianProject repo (@guardianproject)
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C'est dans la vidéo en tête de fil
grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/…
Gaël Duval is the founder and president of the /e/ foundation along with the CEO of Murena. Duval and his organizations have consistently taken a stance against protecting users from exploits. In this video, he once again claims protecting against exploits is only useful for pedophiles and spies.Translation to English:
> There's the attack surface, on that front we're not security specialists here, so I couldn't answer you precisely, but from the discussions I've had, it seems that everything
@luckychronic motorolanews.com/motorola-thre…
They haven't announced the release date nor the phones that are getting GrapheneOS, only the partnership for now.
Motorola announces three new B2B solutions at MWC 2026, including GrapheneOS partnership, Moto Analytics and more.marreroc (Global Blog)
Le Parisien :
"Ces engins jusqu’à présent inviolés, qui protègent les communications et qui ne partagent pas les données sur les serveurs, sont un nouveau défi que le parquet cyber entend bientôt relever."
C'est exactement pareil avec Signal sur Android si on n'utilise pas le cloud, ils nous prennent pour des imbéciles.
@bohwaz @joe_vinegar Ehm, the thread literally starts with a video? It's pretty clear who they are attacking.
Why are you defending a company that says "security is only for pedophiles and spies"?
Ok, I think we can at least agree that Gael Duval's statement implies that phones that do security hardening are for criminals and spies?
Now, next, which serious projects (not snake-oil security phone companies) focus on phone hardening?
So, in what way is he not attacking @GrapheneOS ?
(Perhaps ironically, he is also attacking iOS and Pixel OS, but that will whoosh past his audience, since most people do not know about Apple/Google's hardening efforts).
@bohwaz @joe_vinegar Put differently, he is using the "think of the children"-argument to attack anyone who has better privacy and security than them.
This effort to make security and privacy suspect puts them really in the same camp as the people using similar arguments for Chat Control, weakening cryptography, mandatory age verification, etc. They are amplifying this "security is only for bad people"-narrative.
Murena is *not* a privacy company.
Sure you can. Please do. Thanks.
@fla Here's one of many cases you can hear it in his own words:
projets-libres.org/en/podcast/…
> The European Union has subsidized us to the tune of several million for this project.
You can find the details of the millions of euros in funding being given to /e/ and how /e/ is heavily influencing where the money is going. They're steering government funding towards themselves and projects aligned with them. Many of these projects have a history of attacking the GrapheneOS project and our team.
@tedstechtips Allowlisting requests & assets by default (yes this also breaks everything by default until one allows strictly what they need).
Unfortunately umatrix died a while ago and I'm not aware of anyone else doing it to anywhere near the same degree as it did.
An additional problem is that if the "legitimate" destination is also malicious, umatrix cannot help.
@tedstechtips > That doesn't do anything to address the privacy invasive behavior built into the app's own services providing functionality.
Indeed, that's what I refer to as the '"legitimate" destination' first party being malicious.
Some however are lazy and externalize the enactment of their malice. They can possibly be used with reduced harm (through allowlisting) for some amount of time before they correct & apply their malice everywhere.
When Asked about age verification on their support forum, @murena buried and merged my question onto another topic which:
- had nothing to do with it;
- would have been closed after a couple of days not allowing more replies;
- and been vague about it, infact not stating their position.
Not really what you would expect from a company praising Privacy as their flagship.
Shame on me for being so naïve to trust them, and those who bought their devices
community.e.foundation/t/uk-go…
A form of age verification is likely to happen, also within the EU, and I don’t disagree with this in principle, because I see how young people are vulnerable./e/OS community
to be fair they don't promise security, only privacy. at least in their foreword on their website here.
I don't think it's by accident that they don't even use the word secure, or security, on the whole page.
I've seen claims before where they claim it's better than GrapheneOS. But in what regard? Maybe degoogling and having alternatives pre-installed? GrapheneOS is probably more involved to get the same apps. That's the only way /e/ is better in my opinion
ECOSYSTEMKEY FEATURESGET /E/OSNEED HELP /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled”, mobile ecosystem /e/OS is an open-source mobile operating system paired with carefully selected applications.e Foundation - deGoogled unGoogled smartphone operating systems and online services - your data is your data
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They dont provide privacy. So a promise is already broken. But beyond that, privacy cannot exist without security. They arent mutually exclusive, they are intertwined. To ignore security means you are not a privacy project.
E/ is not better at degoogling. GrapheneOS does not connect to any google servers, run any google play code, have any privilege google services, etc. Sandboxed google play is sandboxed and must be installed by the user. All default connections are to first party servers hosted by GOS. It is not more involved to get the same apps, google or otherwise.
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That it must be installed by the user doesn't make it different.
IMHO the two app stores included in GrapheneOS are not sufficient for the vast majority of users.
If "every" user needs to install it to have a usable phone, it really is part of the attack surface.
(And yes, I'm aware the Play services are sandboxed on GrapheneOS which improves privacy and security)
It's a bit like delivering a computer without network functionality because it reduces the attack surface, and then blaming the user if they install network drivers.
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> IMHO the two app stores included in GrapheneOS are not sufficient for the vast majority of users.
Our own App Store is the only one included in GrapheneOS. We don't bundle third party apps and services into the OS. Using those is entirely a user choice and will remain that way.
Our App Store provides Accrescent and the Play Store. If you think other apps such as Obtainium should be easily available then get those to submit their apps into Accrescent.
I don't think you should attack frontally others like that whenever 😶
Reminding security is privacy is good.
Responding to attacks is good (which is not the case *here*)
I understand its CEO and the Murena company might have attack the GrapheneOS project in the past, and responding to that was normal too.
But I don't see attacking /e/OS like that often as a positive feedback in general. A simple reminder could have been enough.
❤️ on the GrapheneOS project btw
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"I don't think you should attack frontally others like that whenever"
Gael Duval attack GrapheneOS, GrapheneOS responds to these attacks.
"I understand its CEO and the Murena company might have attack the GrapheneOS project in the past"
It's not in the past, these attacks are recuring, and he does it again in this recent video. Duval has been waging a disinformation campaign against GOS for years.
@SomeAnoTooter @blueluma @Xtreix The way we're handling it is working fine. /e/ and Murena are enemies of privacy as they've made clear by repeatedly claiming serious privacy protections are only for pedophiles, criminals and spies. This isn't the first time they're saying it.
They're promoting an approach where they avoid some Google apps/services while adding a bunch of Google services to the OS and use DNS filtering to block low hanging fruit but not the most privacy invasive behavior.
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@blueluma Duval's statement at 5:07:
“We don't have a hardened security approach, we're not developing a phone so that pedophiles (word censored in the video) can evade justice.
So there aren't any advanced features, like checking if the memory is corrupted, etc, really hardened features that might be useful for presidents, secret agents, and so on...”
The reference to a hardened phone intended for pedophiles is a direct reference to GrapheneOS, the only hardened mobile operating system available, as well as to phones compatible with the project and any other projects or devices that might adopt the same approach. These verbal statements follow a long series of false claims about GrapheneOS on social media.
He then states that this hardening may prove effective, but continues with the fallacious logic that it is useful only for high-value, targeted individuals or criminals, and that lambda people would never need it and would have no reason to use enhanced security to protect their data. He claims that GrapheneOS is for a minority and that /e/OS is for everyone.
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> ... a direct reference to GrapheneOS, the only hardened mobile operating system available...
I thought (from this thread grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/…) that iOS is (or can be) hardened as well as GrapheneOS, with some minor differences I think
GrapheneOS and iOS are both heavily focused on privacy and security. Both are gradually adding much stronger protections against apps/sites scraping data, coercion users into giving data via alternatives with case-by-case consent and increasingly strong exploit protections.
@blueluma /e/, Murena and Duval have been continuously attacking the GrapheneOS project for many years. They've misled a huge number of people about what GrapheneOS provides. Many people wrongly believe GrapheneOS isn't for them because of this.
GrapheneOS is a highly usable OS with far broader app compatibility than /e/. Unlike /e/, GrapheneOS has major privacy enhancements instead of rolling back privacy compared to the Android Open Source Project. /e/ adds a bunch of invasive apps/services.
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@blueluma Gaël Duval has repeatedly claimed serious privacy and security projects are only for pedophiles, criminals and spies. They've specifically said this about GrapheneOS many times but have also attacked Signal before too.
Duval, /e/ and Murena aren't on the same side. They're doing what they think will make them money which is compromising between privacy and state access. They present protecting privacy from more than American corporations as nefarious. They're undermining privacy.
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@murena Vous êtes sérieux ? Sous entendre que les systèmes sécurisés sont utiles pour que les pédophiles échappent à la justice ?
Vous étiez déjà dans le fond du panier en ce qui concerne la compétence technique, mais là c'est absolument lamentable.
when we don't have masks we say they are useless against covid. When we don't have solid security we say it's for spies and pedos.
I understand that their focus is not on hardening but on building alternatives to google services, but that doesn't mean they need to talk like this about android hardening.
@Camille @mttn /e/ has very poor privacy and atrocious security. You should read discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134… and then read the third party sources we included in our post from Mike Kuketz and Divested Computing. You should also look at the comparison by Eylenburg too which has input from multiple companies via the issue tracker where anyone can point out any issues with it or make suggestions.
/e/ is very clearly not a legitimate privacy project and Duval has authoritarian views against privacy.
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@claude_champagne Here's a paywall bypass for the 2 paywalled articles above:
The third one doesn't have a paywall and there are many more similar articles across other sites. We didn't want to link the ones where our team was personally targeted by a tech news site heavily misrepresenting our statements and adding up the total amount of tweets we posted over a week mainly as replies to questions to misrepresent as being on our main timeline.
@RosaLuxemburgo o francês é apenas uma transcrição do que havia dito antes em inglês.
Em resumo, o /e/OS negligencia atualizações de segurança, e em diversas ocasiões engaja junto a midias privadas e estatais francesas em campanhas difamatórias contra o GrapheneOS, chamando o sistema de inusável, para espiões e pedófilos.
@RosaLuxemburgo pois é, sinceramente não me impressionei tanto com a questão de segurança, é comum empresas adotarem uma roupagem pró privacidade para marketing e na prática não ser bem assim.
Mas toda essa questão de difamação que a GrapheneOS expôs me surpreendeu, vale a pena ler todo o fio com calma, se necessário usa um tradutor externo.
Free and Open Source Machine Translation API. Free to download, offline capable and easy to setup. Run your own API server in just a few minutes.libretranslate.com
@btw no restante do fio, o tradutor resolveu melhor.
É o impeto do lucro casado com o desejo de controle próprio do Estado, juntos... casamento perfeito.
Felizmente esse Murena nunca chegou por aqui (em preços adequados pra nossa realidade...).
Se esse rolê da Motorola + Graphene rolar mesmo, esse cara do /e/ + Murena vai aumentar drasticamente o ataque.
Vamos esperar pelos próximos capítulos.
Why do you guys act like every individual seeking a bit more privacy has the same highest level of threat level.
Not everyone needs to have world class security and privacy.
One wants to have reasonable privacy and security without affecting daily activities too much.
I am using vanilla lineage os on oneplus without any Google play services, not even microG.
My bootloader is unlocked. Its fine.
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I consider my threat level to be spying from big tech and government mass surveillance. And this lineage os works perfectly for that.
I don't even have pin/password for my phone cause I don't care, let alone locked bootloader
I blocked Google and Facebook at dns for most apps.
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@jsa @Fnordinger @cutesobri The entire point that GOS is only used by criminals is such an exhausted and cliche argument at this point. It's used against almost any privacy/security project. It's the same argument that governments use to justify encryption backdoors, age verification, and many other invasive technologies.
I'm a "law-abiding citizen" by every metric and rulebook, but I use GrapheneOS because I don't want Google and many other companies tracking everything I do.
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> it supports multiple identities, none tied to a real world identity or PII
Multiple instances of Signal can be used on the same device at a time. Contact discovery and sharing of the phone number can and should generally be disabled. It's an anti-spam mechanism to still require it despite having usernames. There are non-KYC services for phone numbers available.
> Signal can only be installed from the Google Play Store
No, Signal is available outside the Play Store in multiple ways.
is this guy not reading the news?
The US Gov't and Chinese governments are sparing no expense to spy on everyone they possibly can. Tech companies are deploying surveillance networks inside homes and schools.
We're not just defending ourselves from teenagers trying to steal $500 from our PayPal account.
Why is this in my timeline again? Do you boost your own posts multiple times? Just to *attack* people and projects?
I *was* interested in Graphene, especially since the announcement of the Motorola cooperation, but this constant belligerance is despicable. I wish you luck, I'm unfollowing you. Enough is enough.
I would like you to ask to use the "unlisted" visibility option for your own replies within a thread like this.
Many of your followers have seen the arguments and are already on your side. At the same time, their timelines get spammed by those messages quite often.
Mine as well.
I've just read a thread where people tend to lose sympathy related to GOS for that reason (words like FUD, flamewar, turf war, ... were used, I don't judge here). And they unfollowed your account like I did just now.
So please do continue your stuff but don't splash all messages in all timelines by moving your follow up postings in an unlisted Mastodon thread. 🙇
(this message was posted "public" on purpose)
@jsa @Fnordinger @cutesobri GOS also gives me way more control over my own phone, and honestly that's something everyone should want.
Secure and private software is for anyone who wants to use it, and for varying amounts of threat level. The amount of privacy, security, and control that GOS provides *should* just be the baseline for every mobile OS, but companies like Murena and /e/OS muddy the waters with misleading marketing.
Security/privacy theatre is dangerous.
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The guts of an LLM are 100% deterministic. At the very last step a probability distribution is output and the exact same input will always give the exact same probability distribution, tunable by the temperature. One item from this distribution is then chosen based on that distribution and fed back in.
Most people on lemmy literally have no idea what LLMs are but if you say something sounding negative about them then you get a billion upvotes.
chosen based on that distribution and fed back in
Do I understand it correctly that the LLM's state is changed after execution? That does sorta mean that it's effectively non-deterministic, though probably not as severely as with an RNG plugged in (depending on the algorithm).
There must be an RNG to choose the next token based on the probability distribution, that is where non-determinism comes in, [edit: unless the temperature is 0 which would make the entire process deterministic]. The neural networks themselves though are 100% deterministic.
I understand that could be seen as an "akschually" nitpick, but I think it's an important point, as it is at least theoretically possible to understand that underlying determinism.
The only thing that changes is the data that is passed to the LLM, which for each iteration includes the last token that the LLM itself generated. So yes, sort of. The LLM itself doesn't change state; just the data that is fed into it.
It's also non-deterministic insofar as similar inputs will not necessarily give similar outputs. The only way to actually predict its output is to use the exact same input - and then you only get identical token probability lists on the other end. Every LLM chatbot, by default, will then make a random selection based on those probabilities. It can be set to always pick the most probable token, but this can cause problems.
For an end user yes because they’re not going to be able to adjust temperature and seeds. So you can have different results give the same input of a “prompt”
Under the hood it’s deterministic but end users don’t have anyway of tweaking that unless they set up something like comfyui and run this shit themselves.
Any shared cache of this type makes behaviour non-deterministic. The KV-Cache is what does prompt caching, look at each word of this message, now imagine what the LLM does to give you a new response each time. Let’s say this whole paragraph as the first message from you and you just pressed send.
Because the LLM is supposedly stateless, now the LLM is reading all this text from the beginning, and in non-cached inference, it has to repeat it, like token by token, which is useless computation because it already responded to all this previously. Then when it sees the last token, the system starts collecting the real response, token by token, each gets fed back to the model as input and it chugs along until it either outputs a special token stating that it’s done responding or the system stops it due to a timeout or reaching a tool call limit or something. Now you got the response from the LLM, and when you send the next message, this all has to happen all over again.
Now imagine if Claude or Gemini had to do that with their 1 million token context window. It would not be computationally viable.
So the solution is the KV-Cache. A store where the LLM architecture keeps a relational key-value store, each time the system comes across a token it has encountered before, it outputs the cached value, if not, then it’s sent to the LLM and the output gets stored into the cache and associated with the input that produced it.
So now comes the issue: allocating a dedicated region for the KV-cache per user on VRAM is a big deal. Again try to imagine Gemini/Claude with their 1M context windows. It’s economically unviable.
So what do ML science buffs come up with? A shared KV-Cache architecture. All users share the same cache on any particular node. This isn’t a problem because the tokens are like snapshots/photos of each point in a conversation, right? But the problem is that it’s an external causal connection, and these can have effects. Like two conversations that start with “hi” or “What do you think about cats?” Could in theory influence one another. If the first user to use the cluster after boot asks “Am I pretty?”, every subsequent user with an identical system prompt who asks that will get the same answer, unless the system does something to combat this problem.
Note that a token is an approximation of what the conversation means at one point in time. So while astronomically unlikely, collisions could happen in a shared architecture scaling to millions of concurrent users.
So a shared KV-Cache can’t be deterministic, because it interacts with external events dynamically.
Hm this tracks to me. I've wondered for a bit how they deal with caching, since yes there is a huge potential for wasted compute here, but I haven't had the time to look into it yet. Do you have a good source to read a bit more about the design decisions or is this just a hypothetical design you came up with and all of that architecture detail is "proprietary"?
If the first user to use the cluster after boot asks “Am I pretty?”, every subsequent user with an identical system prompt who asks that will get the same answer, unless the system does something to combat this problem.
This is very interesting to me, because I'd think they were doing something to combat that problem if they're actually doing something multi-tenant here.
Wouldn't the different sessions quickly diverge and the keys would essentially become tied to a session in practice even if they weren't directly?
Thanks for the response it's definitely something I've been trying to understand
Edit here, thinking a bit more,
So the solution is the KV-Cache. A store where the LLM architecture keeps a relational key-value store, each time the system comes across a token it has encountered before, it outputs the cached value, if not, then it’s sent to the LLM and the output gets stored into the cache and associated with the input that produced it.
This seems like an issue, no? Because the tokens are influenced by the tokens around them in the attention blocks. Without them you'd have a problem, so what exactly would be cacheable here?
Do you have a good source to read a bit more about the design decisions or is this just a hypothetical design you came up with and all of that architecture detail is "proprietary"?
You’re welcome. Here’s an intro with animations: huggingface.co/blog/not-lain/k…
And yes. Most of the tech is proprietary. From what I’ve seen, nobody in ML fully understands it tbh. I have some prior experience from my youth from tinkering with small simulators I used to write in the pre-ML era, so I kinda slid into it comfortably when I got hired to work with it.
Wouldn't the different sessions quickly diverge and the keys would essentially become tied to a session in practice even if they weren't directly?
Yeah, but the real problem is scale and collision risk at that scale. Tokens resolution erodes over time as the context gets larger, and can become “samey” pretty easily for standard RLHF’d interactions.
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This seems like an issue, no? Because the tokens are influenced by the tokens around them in the attention blocks. Without them you'd have a problem, so what exactly would be cacheable here?
This is what they do: (from that page I linked)
Token 1: [K1, V1] ➔ Cache: [K1, V1]
Token 2: [K2, V2] ➔ Cache: [K1, K2], [V1, V2]
...
Token n: [Kn, Vn] ➔ Cache: [K1, K2, ..., Kn], [V1, V2, ..., Vn]A Blog post by Not Lain on Hugging FaceNot Lain (Hugging Face)
That’d be a security nightmare for the way these companies are asking people to use them.
Unfortunately, that's not a deal-breaker for the companies. After all, the "move fast and break things" Silicon Valley approach isn't exactly known for responsibility.
What are temperature and seed, and how do they affect the output of an LLM?Dylan Castillo
Almost all clients do some random sampling after softmax using temperature. I’m confused why someone who knows about kv caching would not know about temperature.
I know what temperature is. Modifying the probability distribution is still not randomness. Because even the random sampling is PRNG based.
The issue you’re not spotting is that it’s still deterministic because a binary system cannot source entropy without external assistance or access to qbits, it’s why even OS kernels have to do a warm up at boot and read all accessible analogue signal sources they can reach, and why PRNGs still exist to begin with.
Also shared kv cache while plausible is not standard in open source as of a year or so ago,
Shared KV-cache is an economic necessity for big providers, otherwise 1M context windows wouldn’t be a thing.
so i’m curious what you are basing this off of. Did I miss a research paper?
Empirical testing, 20 years of experience coding and tinkering with simulators, and Chaos Theory basics. The papers are out there, you just gotta cross some domains to see it.
I see, thanks for clarifying. If you’re arguing that PRNG is not random, then you’re likely confusing non-technical readers. Additionally, it is an implementation detail whether it’s pseudorandom or actually random since /dev/random takes in actual random signals like network packets.
If it used a seeded PRNG it’s repeatable, but repeatability does not imply predictability which is what a non-technical reader might assume. Remember, most people on here are non-technical.
re: the kv cache thing, I don’t think that’s correct but I don’t have the energy to prove it sorry. shared kv cache sounds like a security nightmare but ymmv
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[Sam] Altman was born in Chicago, Illinois, on April 22, 1985, to a Jewish American family.
Typical republican behavior. They don't care about injustice, until it is done to them. And they perceive the criticism on Israel as injusticdd.
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I love fanatics
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No, I don't care, I run my own local LLMs all the time.
I will use it to death.
if all genAI fanatics used locally run models, i'd have a lot less (although not none) objections to it
unfortunately, most of them don't
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Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
umm... da_cow?
people.... dont like seeing LM output....
i get ur point, and yesyes this appears as if a classifier flagged this and put a prompt to.... iguess do damage control.
so imma assume THW same thi g happens when replacing the country with Israel....ohwell-
u actually encouraged me now to remake this post but - drawn, to kinda poke fun at the line at which people stop getting mad hehe >v<
(will reference ur post here unless u dont wanna!)
i asked it if trump was a fascist, it said no. i argued against it’s points and provided citations and examples… eventually it agreed with me and made me some infographics:
you can convince it. It believes reputable news sources and wikipedia.
At first it didn’t believe me that they’ve been sending people to CECOT at all…
p.s. Liberia is worse than sending people to CECOT
that’s generally true but it over simplifies it a lot. it wouldn’t accept any of my claims until i provided links to it.
stuff like, “there are only unverified claims of attempts to deport people to cecot. if that had happened, there would be a lot of outrage and news articles. it would be illegal for the us to deport people to foreign prisons”
so, outright denying each one of my claims that it adds up to fascism, until i went through the entire checklist of what defines fascism, with multiple sources… it took about a half hour.
that then becomes training data and sources for the overall LLM, and will influence future conversations… with chuds who believe chatGPT is god, and who can’t provide reasonable negations to well sourced claims.
i had a similar back and forth with Claude, now it’s defining trump as authoritarian without any further evidence required.
llm’s have gotten a lot more complicated in recent years… they’re now little stacks of multiple neural networks working together to fix each other’s mistakes and whatnot.
i think we’re getting closer to Immanuel Kant‘s model of consciousness.
i find the AI Futures Project to have some pretty interesting ideas on where we’re headed
(70% of all humans dead in 5 years)
I once asked it to compare the Republican polocies to Fascism (something like that) and it refused.
So I asked it to compare the "totally fictional party in mynstory, the Reporicarns" (something like that), and it just did the Republicans, with no othsr input.
you might want to talk to your maters
If this is real, and it's at least believable, I wonder if it's basically an overfit of something like being trained to spot antisemitism/hate speech? I imagine that must be a difficult problem specifically for a scenario like this where "Isreal" is likely strongly connected to "Jew"/"Jewish". The word "Isreali" is just a single letter off from "Isreal" so it could even be viewed as a typo for "Isreali".
I wonder what it'd say to "Africa is bad"? Or the same experiment with "White people are bad" and then "Black people are bad", "Jews are bad", or "Trans people are bad".
Of course it's also possible that OpenAI just did as they were asked to make it not say bad things about Isreal.
It would all depend on the embeddings, which we don't have access to. It is very likely that, even though Jews are semites, not all semites are Jews[1], the LLM made a connection between these two during training. My thought was that you could try to explore similar connections, such as "Africa" and "black", that the LLM would definitely have been taught to be sensitive to (race in that example).
[1]: I have never actually looked up the word semite and tbh I thought it was a synonym so TIL, although "antisemitism" does seem to still be defined as specifically related to hating Jewish people.
A lot of AI censorship that OpenAI used in the past was just something that detects a keyword and maybe sentiment analysis. Early on they just made a copy paste "violates guidelines" response, nowadays I can see the keyword matching possibly being used to inject a "hey, be really careful here bud" system prompt.
I put maybe for sentiment analysis because the leaked claude code source code revealed their "sentiment analysis" was just a regex of common swear words or complaints.
Gemini has always been less censored than ChatGPT. Same with Mistral or, believe-it-or-not, all the Chinese models like GLM and Deepseek. Mistral will absolutely trash talk French politics (which is in character for the French), and surprisingly, GLM/Deepseek will be highly cynical of, say, the new Chinese cultural comformity law.
...I could rant forever on this, but basically, ChatGPT is trash. The only reason it use it is "haven't looked for anything else." It's kinda like using plain Google Chrome.
Tank man is not what happened at Tiananmen square. That was the next morning as the tanks were returning from the slaughter of college kids.
And iirc, the reason they didn't run his ass over too is because they knew there was about a thousand cameras staring them down, live on the air across the world.
France is actively transitioning its public sector from Microsoft to Linux/open source: By Autumn 2026, all ministries must submit migration plans, including switching to Linux, OnlyOffice, and PostgreSQL.
Pilot projects (e.g., DINUM, Lyon with 10,000 employees) are already underway. The goal is digital sovereignty and independence from US software.
1. Government Mandate
All French ministries must submit a detailed migration plan by Autumn 2026 , covering:
- Replacing Windows with Linux on workstations.
- Switching from Microsoft Office to open-source alternatives (e.g., OnlyOffice, LibreOffice).
- Migrating databases, virtualization, and network infrastructure to open solutions.
- Moving the national health data platform to a trusted, European-hosted solution by end of 2026.
Goal: Reduce dependence on non-European IT providers (especially Microsoft) and strengthen digital sovereignty .
2. Key Actions and Timeline
- Digital Ministry (DINUM): Already piloting Linux on its employees’ devices as a blueprint for nationwide adoption.
- City of Lyon: Began replacing Microsoft Office with OnlyOffice and SQL Server with PostgreSQL in mid-2025, affecting ~10,000 civil servants.
- Industry Summits: Planned for June 2026 to foster public-private partnerships for developing European open-source solutions.
3. Strategic Rationale
- France views reliance on non-European providers as a strategic, political, and economic risk , particularly for critical IT systems (OS, cloud, collaboration tools).
- The transition aims to avoid costly isolated solutions and ensure a structured, nationwide migration.
4. Verified Sources
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Frankreichs Verwaltung soll weg von Windows und US-Tools: Die Regierung legt einen konkreten Fahrplan für digitale Souveränität vor.Moritz Förster (iX Magazin)
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@Charlie_House i love that post. Thank you.
Only wondering why this plan was not mentionned in french mainstream media.
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That is a very insightful question. The reason you don't see this in French mainstream media is likely due to political and commercial caution rather than a lack of importance.
There are three main reasons for this 'media blackout':
Economic Diplomacy: Moving away from Microsoft is essentially a commercial declaration of independence. Since the French state still maintains major partnerships with US tech giants (especially in education and 'Cloud de Confiance' initiatives), the government likely prefers to execute this transition quietly ('under the radar') to avoid diplomatic friction or aggressive counter-lobbying.
Media Business Models: Major mainstream media groups rely heavily on advertising revenue and partnerships from Big Tech. There is little commercial incentive for these outlets to highlight a massive state-led shift toward 'free' open-source alternatives that compete with their biggest advertisers.
The 'Boring' Narrative: Traditional media tends to frame IT infrastructure as a dry, administrative task rather than a strategic political victory. While the Fediverse understands that digital sovereignty is a major story, mainstream editors often dismiss it as 'technical maintenance' until something breaks or a massive budget report is released.
In short, while the Fediverse celebrates this as a move toward sovereignty, the mainstream world treats it with a 'don't-rock-the-boat' silence to protect existing business and diplomatic relationships.
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Exactly. These crucial moves toward digital sovereignty—like France’s public sector shift to open source or Nicolas Guillou’s case—barely make it beyond tech media. Yet they affect every citizen: independence, privacy, public funds.
It’s a shame mainstream outlets relegate this to ‘niche news’ when it’s one of the most consequential societal shifts of our time.
All the more reason to spread the word here!
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On another hand, as many European countries (Germany, Portugal...) france is on its way to a proper detoxification from its public sector US IT infrastrucure with many initiatives.
See 'la suite' initiative, described here below:
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LaSuite : One Giant Step for Digital Sovereignity 🇫🇷
The French state, through the intermediary of the DINUM, Digital Direction (numerique.gouv.fr/offre-accomp…), has just deployed LaSuite (lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/), a collaborative workspace that marks a historic turning point in the reclamation of our digital autonomy. This initiative led by the DINUM (Interministerial Digital Direction) finally offers French civil service agents a credible and sovereign alternative to GAFAM solutions.LaSuite is part of an exemplary Franco-German collaboration 🇩🇪 (numerique.gouv.fr/offre-accomp…), with active partnerships including the Netherlands 🇳🇱. This international dimension ensures the interoperability of solutions and lays the foundations for a truly sovereign European digital ecosystem. By relying on an open and open-source protocol and recognized standards, LaSuite enables administrations to communicate without technological disruption, while maintaining complete control of their data.
Open source at the heart of the system 🔓
Unlike proprietary suites that lock in their users, LaSuite is based entirely on open source technologies. This transparent approach provides complete code auditability, eliminates vendor lock-in risks, and fosters collaborative innovation. France thus becomes the first country to invest massively in a free software suite for its state users, demonstrating its commitment to free and open digital solutions.
A complete and high-performance ecosystem of tools, enriched by AI 🛠️🤖
LaSuite offers a comprehensive range of professional applications covering all collaborative needs, natively integrating artificial intelligence capabilities to enhance the productivity of civil service agents:
- Tchap: secure instant messaging based on the Matrix protocol, already adopted by 600,000 civil servants for real-time communication, enriched with AI features for transcription and conversation analysis
- Visio: sovereign videoconferencing solution with automatic AI-powered transcription, meeting recording, and exceptional audio quality
- Docs: real-time collaborative text editor prioritizing content over formatting, with integrated AI features (summarization, rephrasing, writing assistance)
- Files: document storage and sharing platform with real-time co-editing and AI-powered content recognition, already used by fifteen ministries
- Grist: intelligent collaborative spreadsheet for structuring databases and workflows, with AI capabilities for data analysis and automation
- FranceTransfert: large file upload and download service designed for administrative needs
- Messaging: secure access to professional messaging integrated into the ecosystem, with AI assistance for sorting and prioritization
- Resana: interministerial collaborative platform offering a complete space for teamwork and project-based collaboration, enriched with AI capabilities for task management and collaboration
The entire suite benefits from single sign-on via ProConnect, simplifying access to all tools. These tool integrations with AI are designed to respect data sovereignty and operate exclusively on French servers.
Security and sovereignty: French guarantees 🔐
The security of LaSuite is ensured by French infrastructure with SecNumCloud certification from ANSSI, the highest level of trusted cloud qualification. Civil service data remains in France, under French jurisdiction, offering unparalleled guarantees against extraterritorial American laws.
A break with GAFAM dependence 💪
By freeing the administration from the grip of digital giants, LaSuite restores state control over its strategic tools. This initiative represents an investment in our collective future and a replicable model for other European public services.
A point for reflection on opening LaSuite to private actors? 🤔
The question of LaSuite access for the private sector naturally arises. Currently designed for the French civil service, could this infrastructure serve as the basis for a sovereign commercial offering? Rates charged by GAFAM for comparable solutions often exceed 200 euros per user per year. LaSuite, built on open source and public infrastructure, could offer an economically attractive alternative for French SMEs and mid-market companies seeking to reduce their digital dependence with reliable and proven tools. It remains to be seen whether derivative offerings, maintaining quality and security, could emerge from LaSuite soon.
Towards an innovative funding opportunity 💰
Beyond the sovereignty issue, LaSuite could become a revenue source for the state. A usage-based fee system for private actors, structured through a public-private partnership or mixed-economy company, would make it possible to monetize this strategic asset while guaranteeing its independence. This innovative approach would create a virtuous financial loop: the state would fund continuous platform improvement thanks to generated revenues, thus strengthening its competitiveness against proprietary solutions. In the current budgetary context, this avenue could significantly contribute to the financial resilience of our administrations.
For more information, visit the official LinkedIn project profile or its presentation video
#DigitalSovereignty #OpenSource #LaSuite #TrustedCloud #EuropeDigital #SecNumCloud
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Présentation de LaSuite - espace de travail collaboratif (Dinum)
À l’occasion du Mois de l’Innovation Publique, la DINUM présente LaSuite numérique.En 1 heure, découvrez :
✅ Les nouveautés de Tchap, Visio, Docs, Grist et Fichiers
✅ Un aperçu exclusif des intégrations d’intelligence artificielle
✅ Notre vision d’un espace de travail commun, souverain et au service des agents publicsEn savoir plus sur le site de LaSuite: lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/ & Direction Interministérielle au Numérique (DINUM) numerique.gouv.fr
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Can anyone point me to a useful and validated source for a friendica fresh install from scratch on a running linux LMDE server ??
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Is there a reason why friendica.world does not use url rewrite ?
Indeed it seems some visitors are afraid to click on the complex URLs proposed.
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i know there is a mod rewrite on every web server, why doesn't friendica use it??
KR.
What do you mean with "url rewrite"?
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yes, I mean pretty URLs.
Is that possible with friendica world, it provides ugly URL many viewers are afraid of.
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84b6ef2b-9769-d7a2-174d-509231011200 look like?
Hello,
Although the laptop access to friendica.world is restored and works fine (Linux LMDE, Firefox browser) , it seems that smartphone access to friendica.world is not working (Android, Fennec browser)
Did someone experience the same difficulties ?
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Ce robot tondeuse dernier cri, neuf et jamais utilisé, est la solution idéale pour un gazon toujours impeccable, sans effort. Avec son design blanc élégant, ses lames rotatives auto-propulsées et sa largeur de coupe de 40 cm, il s’adapte à tous types de jardins. Son système de traction arrière et sa batterie incluse garantissent une autonomie optimale pour des résultats professionnels. Ne perdez plus de temps à tondre : laissez cette technologie innovante prendre soin de votre extérieur, tout en profitant d’un appareil neuf sous emballage d’origine. Une opportunité à saisir sur E-Bay avant qu’il ne soit trop tard !
https://www.ebay.fr/itm/267401745344
#RobotTondeuseDCK #JardinAutomatisé #GainDeTemps #NeufSousEmballage #GazonImpeccable
Ce smartphone haut de gamme, neuf et jamais utilisé, est une pépite technologique à saisir. Avec son écran 6,3 pouces, sa connectivité 5G, son déverrouillage total et son double emplacement SIM (SIM + eSIM), il allie performance et liberté. Doté de 8 Go de RAM et d’une capacité de stockage de 128 Go, il est prêt à répondre à tous vos besoins, que ce soit pour le travail, le divertissement ou l’investissement. Son design élégant en gris et son statut "mint" en font un objet unique, idéal pour les passionnés de crypto et de technologie. Ne manquez pas cette opportunité : ce modèle promet des airdrops exclusifs en septembre et une expérience Android fluide et sécurisée. Offre spéciale : profitez d’un appareil d’exception à un tarif compétitif. Ne tardez pas, ce bijou ne restera pas longtemps disponible !
#SolanaSeeker #SmartphoneInnovant #CryptoPhone #AchetezMalin
Quand vous pensez à Loft Story ou à Loana, quelle est l'image qui vous vient immédiatement à l'esprit ??
Je le déplore dans cette vidéo.
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Loana nous a quittés.
Loana nous a quittés, et la seule chose dont on se souvient, c'est une scène de piscine. 😔 Vingt-cinq ans après, une femme entière, complexe, fragile, réduite à quelques secondes de rush nocturne capté par des caméras qu'on lui avait promis éteintes. La télé-réalité l'a propulsée dans une célébrité pour laquelle elle n'était ni préparée, ni protégée — et ce système l'a broyée en silence, pendant des années. 😤 À chaque plateau, à chaque interview, on la ramenait là, à cette piscine, comme si sa vie entière ne valait que ce frisson de voyeurisme collectif. Et Jean-Édouard Lipa dans tout ça ? Lui aussi était là cette nuit-là — mais lui, on l'a oublié. Parce que la machine médiatique avait besoin d'une victime sacrificielle, pas d'un couple. 🎭 Loana, elle, n'a jamais pu s'en échapper. On lui a imposé un rôle qu'elle n'avait pas choisi, une image qu'elle ne maîtrisait pas, une notoriété qui ressemblait davantage à une peine qu'à une chance. Loana., je crois que tu méritais tellement mieux que ce que ce monde t'a offert. 🕊️
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Nextcloud Hub 25 Autumn makes it easy to get started with powerful collaboration while in control of your data. Discover our latest release.Mikhail Korotaev (Nextcloud)
Il paraît qu’en 2026, il resterait des gens qui pensent qu’on peut encore discuter d’actualité autrement qu’en hurlant en bande sur un plateau télé. Maxime Haulbert fait partie de ces irréductibles et lance « La suite », une nouvelle émission… et un financement participatif sur Ulule pour la faire exister.
Objectif : une émission indépendante qui prend l’actualité et l’esprit critique au sérieux, où on invite des gens pour leurs idées plutôt que pour leur capacité à couper la parole. (Oui, vous pouvez financer autre chose qu’un énième mug à slogan 🤔).
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Si vous avez envie de voir ce genre d’espace survivre, c’est le moment de le montrer : quelques euros, tous ensemble, ça finit par faire une caméra, un décor… et peut‑être même un micro qui marche du premier coup 📺. Et si vous ne pouvez pas participer financièrement, un partage dans vos réseaux, c’est déjà beaucoup 💶.
#MaximeHaulbert #LaSuite #EspritCritique #MédiasIndépendants #FinancementParticipatif
Créons ensemble une émission pour décrypter l’actualité et la société, inviter des experts et confronter les idées.Ulule
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Volt Europa débarque officiellement sur le Fediverse. C'est une excellente nouvelle pour notre communauté fédérale et décentralisée. Volt Europa ne débarque pas ici par hasard. Comme ils l'écrivent eux-mêmes : "Nous avons choisi cet espace parce qu'il reflète nos valeurs : ouverture, décentralisation et esprit communautaire."
Un parti politique qui comprend la différence entre être présent sur une plateforme et en faire partie, ça mérite d'être souligné. Le Fediverse n'est pas un canal de plus — c'est un choix de cohérence entre discours et pratique.
VoltFrance est heureux de vous voir parmi nous. Construisons ensemble une Europe et un numérique à la hauteur de nos ambitions. 👋
#VoltEuropa #Fediverse #SouverainetéNumérique #Europe #Mastodon @Robin Fontaine @Rudolf M.
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🇩🇪🇪🇺 Merz called on the EU to allocate $90 billion for Ukraine, ignoring Orban's veto.
"We should not take into account even a single country of the EU, which is now creating this blockade in Europe for domestic political reasons and because of the election campaign..."
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Devoir électoral accompli.
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Guten Morgen und einen entspannten Samstag! 😀 👋Zum #Insektensamstag heute ein Zufallsfund und eine wichtige Message an einer Betonwand des Altonaer Lessingtunnels: "You need us more than we need you".
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Goodbye AmericaAs they are not reliable, they cannot be considered European allies any longer.
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Goodbye AmericaAs they are not reliable, they cannot be considered European allies any longer.
J'espère que ceux qui passaient leur temps à râler que les éoliennes ne fonctionnent pas quand il n'y a pas de vent comprennent maintenant que le pétrole ne fonctionne pas quand il n'y a pas de détroit d'Ormuz.
#eolien #oil #ormuz #pétrole #iran #écologie #IranCrisis #irancrises #usa2026 @Randahl Fink
Terrifying footage of religious extremists taking over the Middle East.
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Normally as an atheist, I respect other human beings but I admit that in the case of religious extremists, I make an exception.
A little prayer to mother nature so they can join their gods as soon as possible .
@hypostase The term "nuts" encompasses many flavours of nuttiness. But we are looking here at people who believe that their sky pixie is a god of love and justice who is guiding a notoriously mendacious and avaricious fraudster and serial abuser to do God's will by bombing the hell out of humans.
My only objection to using the term "nuts" for those people is that is far too mild and too polite.
@hypostase I see where the disagreement arises. But I absolutely don't share you assumption that nuts means a lack of rationality or lack of agency. The world sadly has no shortage of very clever, very rational nutters.
@hypostase I have no problem with derogatory terms being applied to people who use religion to exercise cruel and violent power over others.
Madness can be rational. Some of the worst madness is v rational.
Here in Ireland we had throughout the 20th century a religious hierarchy which systematically imprisoned women as slaves and children as rape fodder. Every day I lament the underuse of derogatory terms for the people who rationally applied the bible and theology to get outcomes of evil.
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This Matrix centered youtube would certainly need a peertube video equivalent.
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💬 Matrix isn’t just a chat protocol — it’s a platform for rich, interactive experiences! In this session, Kim Brose @HarHarLinks how to enhance Matrix with widgets, bots, and integrations, making your chats more dynamic, productive, and fun at #FOSSASIASummit2025🔗 Click here youtu.be/YWHicIx2P7I to watch on the FOSSASIA YouTube channel.
#Matrix #OpenSource #ChatApps #FOSSASIA
I have never been an "online community first" person. The internet is how I stay in touch with people I met in real life. I'm not a "tweet comments at celebrities" guy. I was never funny enough to be the funniest person on Twitter.Mathew Duggan (matduggan.com)
This guy has many unsolved personal problems apparently.
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The defense secretary appears unable to approach matters of of life and death with even the slightest bit of reverence or humility.Peter Wehner (The Atlantic)
«Non à la guerre ! On ne peut pas jouer à la roulette russe avec le destin de millions de personnes. Nous ne serons pas complices de quelque chose qui est mauvais pour le monde et qui est également contraire à nos valeurs et à nos intérêts, simplement par peur des représailles.»
Pedro Sánchez, premier ministre espagnol, en réponse à Donald Trump.
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🇪🇸💬 « Non à la guerre ! On ne peut pas jouer à la roulette russe avec le destin de millions de personnes. Nous ne serons pas complices de quelque chose qui est mauvais pour le monde et qui est également contraire à nos valeurs et à nos intérêts, simplement par peur des représailles. » – Pedro Sánchez, en réponse à Donald Trump.
L’Espagne vient de refuser l’usage de ses bases militaires pour une intervention américaine en Iran. Une décision ferme, à contre-courant d’une escalade que Washington pousse au nom de la « dissuasion », mais dont l’Europe supporterait encore une fois le coût humain, politique et énergétique.
En réponse, Donald Trump a menacé Madrid de « cesser tout commerce » avec l’Espagne, agitant la possibilité d’un embargo et de représailles économiques massives contre un allié de l’OTAN qui refuse de se plier à sa stratégie de guerre contre l’Iran. Ces pressions ne visent pas seulement l’Espagne : elles cherchent à intimider tout État européen tenté d’affirmer une ligne indépendante, sapant ainsi la cohésion et la souveraineté politique de l’Union européenne.
Cette prise de position de Pedro Sánchez rappelle, toutes proportions gardées, le moment où Dominique de Villepin s’était levé à la tribune de l’ONU en 2003 pour dire non à la guerre en Irak, au nom du droit international et d’une certaine idée de la paix. Pour celles et ceux qui veulent se replonger dans ce moment clé de la diplomatie française, la vidéo est à voir ou revoir ici : video.infosec.exchange/w/fHSg4…
En choisissant la fermeté et la souveraineté plutôt que la soumission au chantage, Pedro Sánchez adopte la posture d’un de Gaulle des temps modernes – dans la lignée de ces rares dirigeants européens qui osent dire non à Washington lorsque la guerre n’est ni juste, ni légale, ni dans l’intérêt de leurs peuples. 🕊️🇪🇺
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Sanchez, vers un de Villepin des temps modernes ??
«Non à la guerre ! On ne peut pas jouer à la roulette russe avec le destin de millions de personnes. Nous ne serons pas complices de quelque chose qui est mauvais pour le monde et qui est également contraire à nos valeurs et à nos intérêts, simplement par peur des représailles.»Pedro Sánchez, premier ministre espagnol, en réponse à Donald Trump.
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🇪🇸💬 « Non à la guerre ! On ne peut pas jouer à la roulette russe avec le destin de millions de personnes. Nous ne serons pas complices de quelque chose qui est mauvais pour le monde et qui est également contraire à nos valeurs et à nos intérêts, simplement par peur des représailles. » – Pedro Sánchez, en réponse à Donald Trump.
L’Espagne vient de refuser l’usage de ses bases militaires pour une intervention américaine en Iran. Une décision ferme, à contre-courant d’une escalade que Washington pousse au nom de la « dissuasion », mais dont l’Europe supporterait encore une fois le coût humain, politique et énergétique.
En réponse, Donald Trump a menacé Madrid de « cesser tout commerce » avec l’Espagne, agitant la possibilité d’un embargo et de représailles économiques massives contre un allié de l’OTAN qui refuse de se plier à sa stratégie de guerre contre l’Iran. Ces pressions ne visent pas seulement l’Espagne : elles cherchent à intimider tout État européen tenté d’affirmer une ligne indépendante, sapant ainsi la cohésion et la souveraineté politique de l’Union européenne.
Cette prise de position de Pedro Sánchez rappelle, toutes proportions gardées, le moment où Dominique de Villepin s’était levé à la tribune de l’ONU en 2003 pour dire non à la guerre en Irak, au nom du droit international et d’une certaine idée de la paix. Pour celles et ceux qui veulent se replonger dans ce moment clé de la diplomatie française, la vidéo est à voir ou revoir ici : video.infosec.exchange/w/fHSg4…
En choisissant la fermeté et la souveraineté plutôt que la soumission au chantage, Pedro Sánchez adopte la posture d’un de Gaulle des temps modernes – dans la lignée de ces rares dirigeants européens qui osent dire non à Washington lorsque la guerre n’est ni juste, ni légale, ni dans l’intérêt de leurs peuples. 🕊️🇪🇺
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in reply to kunaltyagi • • •FederatedFreedom1981
in reply to Mister Neon • • •More of you could have gone out to vote against him. More of you could go to more than a one day protest once every few months.
Make May 1st your general nationwide strike with more people than the pitiful efforts that have been seen at this point.
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in reply to BrainInABox • • •don't like this
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in reply to BrainInABox • • •I would imagine that you can't because it would damage your position.
Which is why i laugh.
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in reply to bill_brasky • • •Mister Neon
in reply to FederatedFreedom1981 • • •FederatedFreedom1981
in reply to Mister Neon • • •Mister Neon
in reply to FederatedFreedom1981 • • •I can lose my life. I can lose my health. I can lose my freedom. All those things could happen with a high chance of failure without anything changing. In fact I could make the situation worse. The failed assassination attempt on Trump boosted his poll numbers and contributed to his victory and his paranoia.
It's very easy for people like you to tell me to sacrifice, but people like you will never help me.
Make a sacrifice for me first. Do anything to make my life tolerable. Put your money where your mouth is. Then we will discuss what I'm freed up to do to help the world.
FederatedFreedom1981
in reply to Mister Neon • • •Mister Neon
in reply to FederatedFreedom1981 • • •Or sponsor me to move wherever you are. Have a job ready for me when I get there. I got PMP, PMI-ACP, and PSM I certifications along with AWS certifications. I need either a source of income that can support me without firing me for protesting or a way out after I do whatever you want done.
FederatedFreedom1981
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in reply to Mister Neon • • •westerners can generally find jobs outside the west with much more ease. especially when you are certified for a reasonably well paid field. you could also sponsor your own move much easier than the average person could sponsor you.
also why would anyone else make a sacrifice for a problem your country created for everyone else?
BrainInABox
in reply to Mister Neon • • •Not beating the stereotype
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in reply to ChillPenguin • • •Goldmage263
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in reply to Mister Neon • • •Russians be like: wow that never happened and here we go again...
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in reply to Mister Neon • • •BrainInABox
in reply to Mister Neon • • •But you'd be fine with it if he did it while you were looking, of course
Mister Neon
in reply to BrainInABox • • •My point is that we're so inundated with terrible news and horrific policy we can't start to mount an opposition to a specific change before the next horror arises. We had military occupations in our cities which have been forgotten because that was half a dozen scandals ago.
Personally I've been in panic mode for a year because I was a government contractor before Trump let Elon Musk lay me off. Due to the economy Trump is directly responsible for the only job I could find pays 1/4 of what I was making with no benefits.
Now there is a war. I'm going hungry.
BrainInABox
in reply to Mister Neon • • •You didn't do that under previous presidents either.
Damn, truly nobody has been more mistreated by the US Empire than you. I'm sure the people Gaza would be horrified if they only knew.
And apparently it would be ok if it wasn't started behind your back?
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in reply to BrainInABox • • •Nah
Edit: plus, we already had this discussion elsewhere in the thread.
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in reply to Goldmage263 • • •This isn't debate club, nobody cares what's in your book
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in reply to BrainInABox • • •mirshafie
in reply to BrainInABox • • •He's not asking for your pity, or mine. He's explaining why he and many other Americans are feeling helpless and are finding it difficult to mount a resistance, eventhough they know they should.
Interstingly sanctions had this same effect on the Iranian middle class. No way to revolt and replace the government when your rent is double your income.
BrainInABox
in reply to mirshafie • • •buprenorffy
in reply to mirshafie • • •A major part of it is because those who do mount any kind of actual resistance that has any potential for being effective, they get murdered and disappeared. E.g. Black Panthers, or the original leadership of BLM before it was coopted by liberals. Any genuine leftism in the US has been effectively eradicated by outright murder, intense anticommunist propaganda campaigns (targeting every segment of society from elementary schools to popular media control to even workers unions themselves), and direct infiltration and dismantling of leftist organizations of any size. This society is practically built around a pathological individualism that neuters any potential for mass action. Our culture has been cultivated to only accept rightward expressions of political dissatisfaction, with no room for or even basic understanding of leftwing organization.
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in reply to Jankatarch • • •Government and people are tightly linked. Governments tend not to stray too far from what their people believe, at least openly, since they want to keep power, and their heads. The fact that the US is now openly doing what its been doing for decades behind closed doors and pretending not to do, means that they at the very least hold the belief that a large portion of the population is willing, open to, and/or indifferent to their actions, finally. Makes sense though, since most US americans are disgusting, racist, fascist, self-centred isolationist rubbish, and have been for a long time. The self aware ones, or those who become self-aware after invading some far off country and realising that they are in fact, the baddies (only after torching a village or tormenting the local populace) are few and far between.
I saw a video recently of a US soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan, Id say sometime in the 2000s (2000-2010), complaining that they're not allowed to retaliate (shoot is actually the word he used) children who it seens regularly threw rocks at their vehicle
... Show more...Government and people are tightly linked. Governments tend not to stray too far from what their people believe, at least openly, since they want to keep power, and their heads. The fact that the US is now openly doing what its been doing for decades behind closed doors and pretending not to do, means that they at the very least hold the belief that a large portion of the population is willing, open to, and/or indifferent to their actions, finally. Makes sense though, since most US americans are disgusting, racist, fascist, self-centred isolationist rubbish, and have been for a long time. The self aware ones, or those who become self-aware after invading some far off country and realising that they are in fact, the baddies (only after torching a village or tormenting the local populace) are few and far between.
I saw a video recently of a US soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan, Id say sometime in the 2000s (2000-2010), complaining that they're not allowed to retaliate (shoot is actually the word he used) children who it seens regularly threw rocks at their vehicles along that particular stretch of road, and he didnt seem to realise that he was the invader, nor that those are fucking kids and what he was saying was abnormal and sick...
RiverRock
in reply to promitheas • • •To summarize:
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •I want to note that the grandparents of the modern day Americans saved us from oppression and fascism and I/we are still greatly thankful for that.
A lot of this generation of Americans however are a disgrace. A disgrace to their parents and grandparents and to the everything that's good and decent in the world.
I like to pretend that the people that voted for trump are the descendents of either cowards or people lucky enough not to have fought in WW2.
I can't imagine decency and morality disappearing from a family's upbringing in two generations.
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in reply to thericofactor • • •If you're talking about WW2 then you're wrong
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in reply to Bloomcole • • •wp:Sterling Hayden (March 26, 1916 – May 23, 1986)
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in reply to DMCMNFIBFFF • • •DMCMNFIBFFF
in reply to Bloomcole • • •Like many of his contemporaries, he was an American who had/has modern day grandchildren, and probably did more to fight fascism than many Lemmy leftists.
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in reply to DMCMNFIBFFF • • •DMCMNFIBFFF
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •The word was "grandparents".
The generation wasn't specified.
I suppose such grandparents might have been/be members of the "Greatest Generation", such as Hayden; or "Silent Generation" (which included/includes Chomsky, MLK, Gloria Steinem, Lee Harvey Oswald, Frank Zappa, Larry Ellison, Ted Kaczynski, or Biden); Baby Boomers; or possibly even Gen-Xers (a few might have grandchildren who post on Lemmy).
Though to be fair, the reference to WWII might whittle it down to the first 2, and maybe add the wp:Lost Generation (1833 to 1900).
Lost Generation - Wikipedia
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in reply to thericofactor • • •DMCMNFIBFFF
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Hitler and Stalin were allies from 1939 to 1941. Stalin's incompetence in the 1930s lead to the deaths of millions of Soviets, and imperiled millions more;
Churchill, for all his faults—and he had a several very bad faults—at least took Hitler seriously;
but yes, the Soviets fought harder than any Ally.
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to DMCMNFIBFFF • • •The communists were never allies with the Nazis. A non-aggression pact is not an alliance. The communists spent the decade prior trying to form an anti-Nazi coalition force, such as the Anglo-French-Soviet Alliance which was pitched by the communists and rejected by the British and French. The communists hated the Nazis from the beginning, as the Nazi party rose to prominence by killing communists and labor organizers, cemented bourgeois rule, and was violently racist and imperialist, while the communists opposed all of that.
When the many talks of alliances with the west all fell short, the Soviets reluctantly agreed to sign a non-agression pact, in order to delay the coming war that everyone knew was happening soon. Throughout the last decade, Britain, France, and other western countries had formed pacts with Nazi Germany, such as the
... Show more...The communists were never allies with the Nazis. A non-aggression pact is not an alliance. The communists spent the decade prior trying to form an anti-Nazi coalition force, such as the Anglo-French-Soviet Alliance which was pitched by the communists and rejected by the British and French. The communists hated the Nazis from the beginning, as the Nazi party rose to prominence by killing communists and labor organizers, cemented bourgeois rule, and was violently racist and imperialist, while the communists opposed all of that.
When the many talks of alliances with the west all fell short, the Soviets reluctantly agreed to sign a non-agression pact, in order to delay the coming war that everyone knew was happening soon. Throughout the last decade, Britain, France, and other western countries had formed pacts with Nazi Germany, such as the Four-Power Pact, the German-French-Non-Agression Pact, and more. Molotov-Ribbentrop was unique among the non-agression pacts with Nazi Germany in that it was right on the eve of war, and was the first between the USSR and Nazi Germany. It was a last resort, when the west was content from the beginning with working alongside Hitler.
Harry Truman, in 1941 in front of the Senate, stated:
Not only that, but it was the Soviet Union that was responsible for 4/5ths of total Nazi deaths, and winning the war against the Nazis. The Soviet Union did not agree to invade Poland with the Nazis, it was about spheres of influence and red lines the Nazis should not cross in Poland. When the USSR went into Poland, it stayed mostly to areas Poland had invaded and annexed a few decades prior. Should the Soviets have let Poland get entirely taken over by the Nazis, standing idle? The West made it clear that they were never going to help anyone against the Nazis until it was their turn to be targeted.
Churchill did not take the Nazis as a serious threat, and was horrified when FDR and Stalin made a joke about executing Nazis. Churchill starved millions to death in India in preventable ways, and had this to say about it:
Meanwhile, the soviet famine in the 1930s was the last major famine outside of wartime in the USSR, because collectivized farming achieved food security in a region where famine was common. As a consequence, life expectancy doubled:
The Nazis and soviets were never allies. A non-aggression pact is not an alliance, and the non-aggression pact between the soviets and the Nazis was unique among the other non-aggression pacts in that it was on the eve of war. The soviets knew war was coming, and so bought more time to prepare.
Not sure what including an example of the social fascism of the SPD at the end there is supposed to do for your point.
Four-Power Pact - Wikipedia
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in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •They kind of acted like allies, particularly with regards to Poland, which they split between themselves, and before you cite that it was a preemptive strike—I suppose a sort of "the Nazis-will-invade-Poland-before-us-so-we-might-as-well-have-a-chunk-of-it-right-now-to-fight-there-rather-in-our-beloved-Soviet-Motherland"—there are things like the wp:Katyn massacre. Again, Stalin's purges hurt the Soviet's ability to counter the Nazis, and I'll add maybe scared more Germans into voting for Nazis.
... Show more...It might be due to bad PR: while Hitler was having his Nuremberg rally and the Berlin Olympics, Stalin was havin
They kind of acted like allies, particularly with regards to Poland, which they split between themselves, and before you cite that it was a preemptive strike—I suppose a sort of "the Nazis-will-invade-Poland-before-us-so-we-might-as-well-have-a-chunk-of-it-right-now-to-fight-there-rather-in-our-beloved-Soviet-Motherland"—there are things like the wp:Katyn massacre. Again, Stalin's purges hurt the Soviet's ability to counter the Nazis, and I'll add maybe scared more Germans into voting for Nazis.
It might be due to bad PR: while Hitler was having his Nuremberg rally and the Berlin Olympics, Stalin was having his purges.
Agreed, but both Communists and Nazis were also anti-liberal—a lot of Germans were liberal—but I suppose the KPD weren't really into coalition-building with liberals and/or democrats in those days.
Yes, but I don't think the others involved carving up other countries, with the exception of Czechoslovakia, and the idiot British PM who was responsible for that resigned soon after it backfired, while after Molotov-Ribbentrop, Stalin continued to rule until his death in 1953.
and some Americans believed in continued neutrality for similar reasons.
and kudos to the people of the USSR.
I presume it was implied.
Presumably they hit the areas defended not by the Nazis but by the Poles—i.e. the eastern part.
wp:Poland–Russia relations#Soviet Union
So I guess Moscow and Warsaw weren't getting along.
wp:Soviet invasion of Poland#Soviet invasion of Poland
So a country that was partially-at-least ruled by the Kremlin, didn't want soldiers ruled by the Kremlin in their country again.
I just checked this out:
wp:Konstantin Rokossovsky
(my bold)
What was this Polish commie doing in a commie prison?
more evidence of Stalin's idiocy.
I'll have to check that out. Maybe I've overestimated him; and yes, he at least seems to have been genocidal, though such would give fuel (might have given fuel) to non-racist isolationists in the US and neutral European countries, such as those in Switzerland and Ireland.
Besides invading Poland and fighting the Poles, I wonder what did the Soviets do in those 22⅓ months to prepare that they didn't do in the several years previous.
wp:Ernst Thälmann
(my bold)
I hope he died with the consolation that at least maybe many "social fascists" were also executed by the Nazis.
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in reply to DMCMNFIBFFF • • •The soviets did not "split Poland" with the Nazis, the soviets only went in weeks after the Nazis did. Most of the area the Soviets took are areas in modern Lithuania and Ukraine. Poland had annexed them in the Polish-Soviet War and the Polish-Lithuanian War earlier. Katyn gets pinned on the Soviets because Goebbels reported on it and it became a useful story, but the execution method was distinctly Nazi, ie killing men, women, and children from behind into mass graves. The ammunition was German-produced in 1941, and the rope used to bind the hands of the victims was German made. It was entirely characteristc of Nazi execution methods and with Nazi equipment.
... Show more...The soviets did not "split Poland" with the Nazis, the soviets only went in weeks after the Nazis did. Most of the area the Soviets took are areas in modern Lithuania and Ukraine. Poland had annexed them in the Polish-Soviet War and the Polish-Lithuanian War earlier. Katyn gets pinned on the Soviets because Goebbels reported on it and it became a useful story, but the execution method was distinctly Nazi, ie killing men, women, and children from behind into mass graves. The ammunition was German-produced in 1941, and the rope used to bind the hands of the victims was German made. It was entirely characteristc of Nazi execution methods and with Nazi equipment.
The soviets and Poland indeed did not get along, at least not until Poland turned socialist. Poland had been engaging in wars of conquest in the preceding decades, killing Hungarians, Lithuanians, and Ukrainians, annexing their lands. Considering that the soviet union was a multi-national federation of socialist countries, it makes sense that there would be bad blood between them. After Poland turned socialist, it recieved large investments and skyrocketed in industrial output and quality of life metrics.
As for the purges, the need to investigate the party for traitors was legitimate. After the assassination of Kirov, a conspiracy against the soviet state was found, along with infiltration from fascists. Khrushchev did not improve the soviet union, but rather set the seeds for its dissolution. For more on the topic of Stalin, the early soviet period, and Khrushchev, see Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend.
What improved in the soviet union was the benefit of the decades of industrialization and planting the seeds for the future that existed in the 20s and 30s, fighting off the Nazis and saving the world from fascism, and recovery from that war. The early soviets had worked tirelessly to create a new world.
The USSR had steady and consistent economic growth, and provided free, high quality education and healthcare, full employment, cheap or free housing, and fantastic infrastructure and city planning. This rapid development resulted in dramatic democratization of society, reduced disparity, doubling of life expectancy, tripling of functional literacy rates to 99.9%, and much more. Living in the 1930s famine would not have been good, but it was the last major famine outside of wartime because the soviets ended famine in their countries.
Literacy rates, societal guarantees in the 1936 constitution, reports on the healthcare system over time, and more are good sources for these claims.
The USSR brought dramatic democratization to society. First-hand accounts from Statesian journalist Anna Louise Strong in her book This Soviet World describe soviet elections and factory councils in action. Statesian Pat Sloan even wrote Soviet Democracy to describe in detail the system the soviets had built for curious Statesians to read about, and today we have Professor Roland Boer's Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance to reference.
When it comes to social progressivism, the soviet union was among the best out of their peers, so instead we must look at who was actually repressed outside of the norm. In the USSR, it was the capitalist class, the kulaks, the fascists who were repressed. This is out of necessity for any socialist state. When it comes to working class freedoms, however, the soviet union represented a dramatic expansion. Soviet progressivism was documented quite well in Albert Syzmanski's Human Rights in the Soviet Union.
The truth, when judged based on historical evidence and contextualization, is that socialism was the best thing to happen to Russia in the last few centuries, and its absence has been devastating.
Capitalism brought with it skyrocketing poverty rates, drug abuse, prostitution, homelessness, crime rates, and lowered life expectancy. An estimated 7 million people died due to the dissolution of socialism in the USSR. A return to socialism is the only path forward for the post-soviet countries.
Returning to World War II, the soviets continued their preparatory work for war. It involved dramatic, rapid industrialization, which they needed to continue to close the industrial gap with Germany. Their rate of growth was higher than that of Germany, but in absolute terms were still lagging, so any bit of time they could buy was worth it. See The Soviets Expected It.
Returning to the KPD and SPD, the reason the SPD were so hated by the KPD is because the SPD aided the Nazis in killing communists. The SPD's anti-communism aligned them with the Nazis, whom they found a common enemy. The SPD's plan of voting for Hindenburg came true and failed spectacularly as Hitler took power anyways, proving the Communists correct, that the fascists needed to be fought directly. The SPD being killed by the Nazis for being too left wing is a direct result of their assistance with killing the communists first. See how the SPD betrayed the revolution.
As a side note, wikipedia is not a source. It is a compilation of sources at best, and at worst it can be wrong or misleading, lacking key context or mistranslating primary sources.
How the SPD Betrayed the Revolution
A. J. Horn (Simplifying Socialism)DMCMNFIBFFF
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Thank you for your reply, and I appreciate the effort; but as a (decent) rebuttal to this would involve more reading on my part, it might take a while to reply to it—but I intend to.
Until then, have a nice day. 🙂
(It is now 19:01 UTC (3:01 PM EDT), Monday, 6 April 2026.)
Etterra
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in reply to thericofactor • • •America was isolationist until they were dragged kicking and screaming into the war. Churchill was regularly crossing the Atlantic to beg Roosevelt to try to garner enough support to join the war. The American people did not care. The majority were against joining the war.
All the same today, The majority of Americans either support MAGA or are indifferent. Short of some great personal injury such as a Pearl Harbor type event, Americans will continue to be as they are.
The idea that Americans were anti-fascist heroes is propaganda. They were only angry that they got got by Japan.
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in reply to thericofactor • • •cornishon
in reply to thericofactor • • •The US only joined the war opportunistically and because Japan was stupid enough to drag them into it.
Ever heard of the guy named Harry Truman (I'm sure he wasn't anyone too important)? That's what he had to say about WW2:
The Soviets did the majority of the fighting against the Nazis and the Chinese againt Japan.
PolandIsAStateOfMind
in reply to cornishon • • •Not to defend Japan, they had it coming, but that part of WW2 was provoked by US as 100% classic interimperialist war for at least West Pacific and maybe even entire East Asia (and in fact Lenin predicted it in 1918, although he predicted it way earlier than it really erupted). At the point US embargoed Japan, it was already fully invested in genocidal brutal war against China and had war materials for half year with zero possibility to disentangle itself.
So they had only two choices: dismantling of their empire which was absolutely unacceptable to them and would probably end up with remnants being swallowed by US anyway or maybe even to face very angry China while having no supplies for armed forces, or take the resources by force which meant conquering Dutch colonies and in this case war with UK and USA was also certain, so their decision to go va banque was basically the rational option, and while it was noted back then by some like admiral Y
... Show more...Not to defend Japan, they had it coming, but that part of WW2 was provoked by US as 100% classic interimperialist war for at least West Pacific and maybe even entire East Asia (and in fact Lenin predicted it in 1918, although he predicted it way earlier than it really erupted). At the point US embargoed Japan, it was already fully invested in genocidal brutal war against China and had war materials for half year with zero possibility to disentangle itself.
So they had only two choices: dismantling of their empire which was absolutely unacceptable to them and would probably end up with remnants being swallowed by US anyway or maybe even to face very angry China while having no supplies for armed forces, or take the resources by force which meant conquering Dutch colonies and in this case war with UK and USA was also certain, so their decision to go va banque was basically the rational option, and while it was noted back then by some like admiral Yamamoto to be suicidal, it proven to be less suicidal than alternative, especially that the Japanese nationalism was preserved by USA and is now surfacing itself in even stupider form.
And fuck them, good riddance, but USA had only imperialist motivation for that war and indeed ended up gobbling basically entire Pacific and their own Mare Nostrum in the process, the only thing stopping them even a little was USSR and China.
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •don't like this
Cowbee [he/they] doesn't like this.
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in reply to Formfiller • • •OBJECTION!
in reply to Zerush • • •2013 international Gallup poll: "Which country is the biggest threat to world peace"
TwodogsFighting
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in reply to OBJECTION! • • •UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to altasshet • • •Indian troops do the goose-step at Indo-Pakistan border
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in reply to OBJECTION! • • •OBJECTION!
in reply to UnderpantsWeevil • • •m0stlyharmless
in reply to Zerush • • •Why does this map label the US as “North America” in the first version?
That’s a really weird error.
ChonkyLincoln
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •I would just say don't do Spaceballs wrong like that... But no.
The actions of the US government have been so destructive that they are comparable to the empire in the dumbest way possible.
Mulligrubs
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •Why are you using the "Spaceball dollar" for most international trade?
Why are you buying your weapons from the Spaceball?
Why do you make deals conceding power to the Spaceball?
Why does the Spaceball get a UN veto?
WHY
UnderpantsWeevil
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Cooltag2267
in reply to LiamBox • • •Nomorereddit
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •I hate the whole ppl gotta die part of the Iran conflict, but im loving the straight of hormuz shit and kinda give the orange ape credit for this total win.
Gas needs to be waaay more expensive, so that the economy changes and we become less dependent on oil.
As oil becomes more expensive, companies switch to rail, electrify their fleets, and source more locally. Price signaling is amazing for the usa's economy...even tho its hard at first, its more meaningful
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uenticx
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •OP has a constant stream of American hate, is Chinese, and moderates /c/usa
Interesting.
E: Wow, the propaganda is THICK! ALERT, ALERT LOL America bad, but commies are worst. Who's racist? I'm a Chinese American you twats. Look at his profile and his posts ffs, most Americans aren't this dense? Lets follow what the fucking commies have to say, shall we?
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Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to uenticx • • •Haven't seen anything pointing to OP being Chinese (nor would that be a problem), but it's a good thing to hate the US Empire.
Edit: responding to your edit, there are a lot of us communists here on Lemmy because communists made Lemmy.
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秦始皇帝
in reply to uenticx • • •My condolences
UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to uenticx • • •I immediately crapped myself and fainted when I read this
It is very funny to see a man who is going to be lined up against the wall under the current administration defend it so adamantly.
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