#WSocial will open up their beta program today… and I have a SCOOP for you: it appears that they have quietly gone closed-source!
This is ironic, considering that the @EUCommission just unveiled their Tech Sovereignty Package, emphasizing the importance of #OpenSource. And yet they have migrated their main ATproto accounts to W Social - whose code can no longer be inspected!
My full article - with a great analysis by @aral:
🔗: blog.elenarossini.com/w-social…
#FOSS #DigitalSovereignty #BigTech
W Social, Public Institutions and the Theater of European Digital Sovereignty
In the past few months I have unwittingly become an expert on all things W Social: the microblogging platform that is a fork of Bluesky and bills itself as Europe’s alternative to X, with identity verification “to fight bots and misinformation” and data hosted in Europe “to promote European digital sovereignty”. Why am I fascinated by this topic? I find the discrepancies between their public image and the reality behind the scenes truly striking.Over the course of the past few days I have received sensational information that no media organization has so far reported. So here we go, with another article about W Social on their big week, as they are set to open their public beta to their waiting list later today.
But first: if you missed my previous articles on the topic, you can find them here:
W Social - Elena Rossini
A series of articles about the controversial social network W Social, a for profit company set up by Swedish entrepreneurs, who openly admitted they want to help train European AI models with their users’ data (amongst other things).Elena RossiniElena Rossini
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Disclaimer:This article represents my personal opinions, commentary, and conclusions formed through independent research using publicly available sources. Any characterizations, interpretations, or inferences are presented as opinion, not as statements of objective fact. Readers are encouraged to review the referenced materials and draw their own conclusions.
Prominent Institutions and Government Officials Move their Accounts to W Social
On Friday June 12th I received a tip: that the ATproto accounts of the European Commission, its president Ursula von der Leyen, the European Central Bank and its president Christine Lagarde had been migrated from Bluesky PBC to W Social’s servers.I immediately double-checked the information on the website clearsky.app (which indexes information about ATproto) and saw this for myself:
screenshots from the website clearsky.app which show how the Bluesky accounts of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen and Christine Lagarde were very recently moved to W Social's servers
I was incredibly surprised by this move: W Social is a private, for-profit enterprise controlled by Swedish entrepreneurs which had a really spotty launch and isn’t forthcoming with communications about their tech stack.
Europe already has an ATproto social network - Eurosky - run by a non-profit foundation - Modal - that is building everything in the open, with full transparency, sharing all the steps in their development roadmap:
Development Roadmap - Eurosky
Eurosky is a European initiative to build and operate sovereign social web infrastructureEurosky
Last week Eurosky shared news about their strides in attaining greater independence from Bluesky PBC’s infrastructure: they are now mirroring the did:plc directory and set up their own firehose running on European infrastructure; they even launched a new platform/webapp - mu.social - that is a full replacement of the Bluesky app.If these concepts sound foreign to you, let me attempt to explain things in plain terms. Social networks powered by ATproto are built on composable, modular services that can be independently hosted. To be fully sovereign you need:
- your own Personal Data Server (PDS), which stores user accounts, posts, likes, follows, profile data and also handles identity and signing keys;
- a relay, which aggregates messages from PDS instances and makes them available to AppViews as a data stream;
- an AppView, which indexes data from relays and provides a search engine;
- a moderation service, which manages labels, blocks and mutes;
- a PLC (Public Key Infrastructure), which maps usernames to public identities.
While self-hosting an ATproto Personal Data Server is now relatively easy and affordable, running the other components requires great resources and technical expertise.
W Social has made promises of hosting their users’ data in Europe but they haven’t been forthcoming about their roadmap and whether or not they are relying on Bluesky PBC’s infrastructure for the other services.
Thus my surprise when I heard about the migration of such prominent institutional accounts. Had they done due diligence, I wondered?
Exclusive: W Social may have quietly become closed-source
Then on Saturday I received another tip. Someone wrote to me:W Social have taken down the public repo of their app: github.com/w-social-eu. You can still look at the last state from early March in the archive, but right now it's no longer public. That means that the European Commission has factually migrated their data from an open source platform (Bluesky) into a closed source platform (W Social).
I immediately checked GitHub as well as Codeberg and other Git platforms and could not find any traces of W Social (even after trying alternate spellings).
a screenshot showing the missing W Social repo from GitHub (left) and how it used to look when it was online (right) last captured on March 9th
This was another surprising piece of news in the context of the recent unveiling of the Tech Sovereignty Package by the European Commission.
In their announcement on June 3 (only a week before the account move to W Social), the European Commission had expressed the desire to “[strengthen] Europe’s tech sovereignty” via a European technological sovereignty package that focused on four core areas. The third area is:
Strengthening digital autonomy through open source – the open source strategy will scale up open source alternatives in priority areas, invest in skills, start-ups and digital infrastructure, and support greater use of open source in public administrations.
I wonder if the person in charge of the European Commission’s ATproto account migrations knew that W Social has quietly gone closed-source?European Big Tech?
I contacted Aral Balkan, the co-founder of the Small Technology Foundation, asking him to help me unpack this news.According to Balkan, the move by the W Social developers - deleting their code from GitHub - is highly unusual:
The standard practice is to deprecate the old repo and put up a message telling people where the new one is. Not delete it.
Balkan continued:It’s very concerning if the removal of their public repository signals that W Social is taking their implementation closed source. Furthermore, I couldn’t find the source of their web client and mobile apps on their GitHub either. There have been so many red flags with W Social since its hastily cobbled-together announcement at Davos that they might as well make a red flag their logo.
For context, the repositories of Bluesky and its forks Eurosky and Blacksky are all publicly available on GitHub... and W Social's repository was as well, until some time in March.
GitHub - w-social-eu/w-social-atproto: Social networking technology created by Bluesky
Social networking technology created by Bluesky. Contribute to w-social-eu/w-social-atproto development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHubw-social-eu
It was simply removed without any notice.Balkan then addressed the issue of identity verification - which is required by W Social:
It’s very concerning – but again, not surprising – to see folks from the European Commission jumping on this particular bandwagon. Especially given the commission’s push for identity verification (under the guise of age verification – as lobbied for by Meta) and W Social’s plans to make identity verification a core part of their system. My fear is that W Social is just another for-profit Big Tech startup that happens to be based in the EU. We don’t need that. We don’t need more European surveillance capitalists and people farmers. We need ethical alternatives working for the common good.
Indeed, there is plenty of evidence showing how leaders from the world of Big Tech are connected to W Social.In my previous article about the company I had only mentioned one person who is on their Board of Advisors: Yariv Adan, a former AI lead at Alphabet (Google). But the full picture of their advisory board is very telling, as it comprises prominent people from the world of European politics as well as Big Tech executives.
a screenshot of a conference slide showing W Social's advisory board
Marc Placzek in particular is an interesting choice: he was a Chief Privacy Officer at Paypal (a company co-founded by tech oligarch Peter Thiel), and he currently serves this role at Tools for Humanity (a company co-founded by another tech oligarch: OpenAI CEO Sam Altman). What is Tools for Humanity's mission? To “create a global ID, a global currency, and an app enabling payment with World's own digital token” with irises scanned to verify one’s identity.
Tools for Humanity
Tools for Humanity is a technology company building for humans in the age of AI.Tools for HumanityTools for Humanity
For more information on Tools for Humanity and World(coin):
youtube.com/embed/9vcpuBoiyAQ?…Questions for European public institutions on W Social
I have so many questions that I wish I could address to people working at European public institutions who now have ATproto accounts on W Social.Here are my top 3:
- Are you aware that the W Social network may have become closed-source?
- Do you know if all the components in W Social’s ATproto stack are self-hosted in Europe (not just their PDS, but also their relay, AppView and moderation)?
- Why didn’t you move to Eurosky instead?
I am curious to see how the beta launch of W Social will go today. And which other prominent accounts will join them.
Elena
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •@aral
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Shame on you @EUCommission!
Tanks for your work @_elena & @aral!
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Seems to be regular old #corruption at @EUCommission
EU institutions need to get better at saying no to corporate lobbyists.
#eupol
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ikuturso 🇪🇺
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •them going closed source isn't that surprising and something Bluesky has chosen to make possible for themselves and others from the beginning via their licensing choices that stand in stark contrast to Mastodon's.
Personally I don't really find Eurosky all that much better because they're only contributing to the overall Bluesky ecosystem anyway and their messaging and how they are set up doesn't really make me very confident about how European they are either.
@EUCommission @aral
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •I read your article, pretty nice investigation are you in ! - in fact I keeping reading your posts also the info and adventures from Gina too.
As always politician and big guys trying to use the miss information to achieve their stupid stuffs - It's funny and curious what EU commission statement publishes vs reality !
They think they can hide it by adding # "commented" character or as we noted here by deletion or setting as private an entire project - no cool no good no sovereignty
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tanavit
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Once upon a time, JAVA™ was open source.
The only source whose you could be sure to have an eternal access to is the one you manage yourself, open or closed.
Opening source is mean of extending collaboration, not a guarantee of sovereignity.
An example is the French Tresor. As far as i know, it owns its computer infrastructure and has an internal computer science team. But the software is closed source.
@EUCommission @aral
Saito Network
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Well, well, well... Who would have thought?
The good old EU bait and switch 😩
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in reply to Furbland's Very Cool Account™ • •Bsky could go closed-source if either they wanted to or when they need to find some way to make profit once their VC funding runs out.
ActivityPub meanwhile AFAIK is shielded from that to some degree.
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •This was definitely NOT on my bingo card for this year:
European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen taking a moment between G7 meetings to promote the launch of the closed-source, for-profit network #WSocial.
🔗 : web.archive.org/web/2026061708…
I fear this may be a harbinger of things to come: MANDATORY AGE VERIFICATION for social media across Europe. I hope I'm wrong on this.
#privacy #SurveillanceCapitalism #EUBigTech
Kind of cool to see Ursula von der Leyen warming up the audience for our W launch tomorrow. 😉 Posted between her G7 meetings on Instagram (today). Perfect timing. | Ingmar Rentzhog
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in reply to Radomír Žemlička • • •@Razemix @sanzky Likely not a direct cut, but a sense of opportunity. As @_elena said: mandatory ID checks.
Helps quell dissent against authoritarianism.
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in reply to L'égrégore André ꕭꕬ • • •@Mabande I think it's more just being clueless and wsocial being very well politically connected so they are able to convince these politicians to do this. It was evident this was their stategy from day one with the announcement at Davos etc. but I wouldn't necessarily have bet on them being this successful with it.
Ultimately this might still not mean that much though.
@Razemix @sanzky @_elena
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in reply to Santiago 🌸 • • •She has never won a single popular vote anywhere - quite the opposite: she lost constituencies that had previously been considered safe seats for her party - and has built her entire career exclusively on her corrupt networks, while scandals would always catch up with her just in the nick of time, before she was promoted to the next post
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in reply to derZeitreiser 🇪🇺🇩🇪🇯🇵🇬🇧 • • •Her getting her current job was one of the bigger political #WTF moments of the previous decade.
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Elena Rossini 🌈
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Latest SCOOP on #WSocial:
The European Commission Spokesperson for tech sovereignty Thomas Reigner just migrated his ATproto account from Bluesky (open source) to W Social (closed-source). How ironic!
🔗 : clearsky.app/thomasregnier.ec.…
And now excuse me as I go pick up my child from daycare. I'll be intermittently online for the rest of the day. Thank you for all your boosts and comments!
#DigitalSovereignty #OpenWashing #EuropeWashing #SovereigntyWashing
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •@aral @EUCommission
Unbelievable, and really disheartening. What a farce. I just commented yesterday that "sovereignty" had become this new fad, a business buzzword to indicate where the low-hanging revenue is for the big enterprises, like earlier the hollow phrase of "digital transformation" (digital transformation for the purpose of what?). This more anecdotal proof that this is indeed the case..
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in reply to 🫧 socialcoding.. • • •@smallcircles You can find two excellent discussions of the term "digital sovereignty" in these threads (beware, it’s in German):
chaos.social/@stk/116711117194…
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@smallcircles You can find two excellent discussions of the term "digital sovereignty" in these threads (beware, it’s in German):
chaos.social/@stk/116711117194…
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in reply to Maxi 12x 💉 • • •Mel
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •for fuck sake they won't ever learn!
Yesterday, I watched this video videos.assemblee-nationale.fr/… with @renchap where he explained how public administrations just want an access to the service, not operate it and it grinds my gear so fuckin much
Vulnérabilités systémiques dans le secteur du numérique : Table ronde sur le logiciel libre - Mercredi 6 mai 2026
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in reply to Mel • • •@baalroga @renchap
To learn you need to understand.
They will, but the hard way, and too late.
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in reply to Christian Quest 🌍 • • •Lefteris T.
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Elena Rossini 🌈
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Rí Rua
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •streetcoder
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •OK, we should send some letters and organise some public "demonstration" to show that we already have a much better alternative in place.
Otherwise she and the other politicians will never know that the Fediverse is already relevant and is much more democratic and digitally independent than Bluesky/W Social could ever be.
Or maybe they already know and it's all due to lobby, but than it would be even more important.
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •F4GRX Sébastien
in reply to Loohoosaher • • •T3rc
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •@themipper When I first heard about #wsocial, I had high hopes of a genuine European, privacy-preserving, open source solution.
Fool me.
Definitely won’t be joining.
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •bazkie 👩🏼💻 bitplanes 🎵
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •neoliberals gonna neoliberal. not a surprise at all
oh and she's also a zionist so yeah. utterly horrible person all around
Sylvia
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •this is just wild!
There have to be kickbacks or I can't explain it... what a saga
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Leander Lindahl
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •@EUCommission it's such a betrayal. 😢🥺😰
They can't be bothered to #plusOne the open free democratic social web. But they can cuddle up with weird business people in Davos? What's the point in believing in our representatives like von der Leyen anymore? Who advices them?
folkdata.se/en/plus-one/
Plus One Manifest • elva
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •@aral
welcome to the left.
in the US, we have the Democrats who pretend to want all the good things and have great PR but somehow never seem to fight hard enough when it matters or provide what the people really need and want. they are bought off. I'm sure this exists in other countries too but at least you guys have universal health care 😛
anyway I think that game is getting played in the tech world too. bluesky etc. the same excuses get made, while they retain power and profit.
Cris
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •I never really trusted Ursula van der Leyen since she suggested that anyone who knows how to change a dns server is a pedophile.
It was during her time as German family minister where a proposed dns block was criticized by experts that it won’t work, since people could just change dns when she stated something similar to that. She was very stubborn to not listen to IT experts.
Only source I could find:
netzpolitik.org/2014/fuenf-jah…
Fünf Jahre nach Zensursula stellt die Bundesregierung fest: Löschen statt Sperren funktioniert!
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •reminds me of the #Luca app that was pitched at the start of #Covid in Germany: The app was marketed heavily by #Smudo, frontman of a famous band here. The company and Smudo seemed very undiscerning to criticism about its closed-source nature (now seems to be #OpenSource). The hole practice seemed shady.
My conclusion then was maybe Smudo / #Fanta4 had good intentions, allowing concerts, helping people. But didn't get OpenSource + were used by a company. Maybe similar w. #VonDerLeyen...
T_X
in reply to T_X • • •We've already had the the German #Bundeswehr praising their new sovereign cloud efforts last year - in cooperation with Google... bundeswehr.de/de/meldungen/par…
It'll be so important to explain and insist on the #OpenSource necessity for Digital Sovereignty now.
Partnerschaft von BWI und Google: Die Bundeswehr bekommt eine eigene Cloud
Bundesministerium der VerteidigungMartina Neumayer
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •I wonder how much she got paid for spreading this kind of bullshit? 🤔🙄
Because no one in their right mind would make a fool of themselves in public for free.
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •SkyBlitz
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •is like always a bunch of hypoctit.
make ads for a closed system .... while asking other to take open source.
Censure von der Traitor ASAP so someone else can take over EU.
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Sigh
@EUCommission @aral
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •W Social has all the checkmarks for a scam to collect public funding...
Please use the money to found open source project that actually do work for all europeans (and humanity in general).
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in reply to Feyter • • •Tenderpreneur - Wikipedia
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)ohir
in reply to Feyter • • •@feyter
> Please use the money to found open source project that actually do work
This is not possible. An open-source project doesn't have the technical capability to pay a 50 percent commission.
Simple as that.
There are billions of reasons why OLAF (the EU’s anti-corruption agency) has been effectively defunded.
@_elena @EUCommission @aral
Daarin
in reply to ohir • • •@ohir One of them probably was Olaf (The former chancellor to Germany, that was wildly involved in Cum Ex)
(SCNR)
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Considering the pressing the accelerator and the brake pedal at the same time, I had that : social.netdynamics.eu/display/…
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Considering the pressing the accelerator and the brake pedal at the same time, I had that : social.netdynamics.eu/display/…
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2026-06-05 16:50:16
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Roberto Resoli
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •OddOpinions5
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •I am not a programmer, at all, zero knowledge, but for 20 years, I've been listening to OS evangelicals tell me how important OS is
and you know what ?
I don't care
I really don't
and I am, among my entire circle of friends/family/coworkers, the "odd guy" who cares about stuff like this
so if I don't care, I would guess that 98% of the population doesn't care
so maybe OS evangelicals need a better message ?
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •#LouisDeFunes
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Kerplunk
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •who was paid for the move to a closed source network??? with very dubious background and board.
derptron
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •This is a tactic that is getting more and more common. It's especially so in the VC funded, quick growth bullshit going on.
Crypto is a big one When I was researching blockchain a bit I bought a couple sets of Tensor cards. This was Open Source when I got it and they were still peddling themselves as Open Source last I saw after they'd quietly changed all their licenses in all their repositories.
Happens in the services too though. Hashicorp. Bait and switch.
Hana
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •No f00d n0 support and d0nations have st0pped
My children are hungry and we have n0thing to feed them
Any help can save live us
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Lea
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •*dons tin foil hat*
When something this fishy is going on you can be sure that a lot of money is changing hands and a "not-for-public-knowledge" agenda is being implemented behind the scenes.
IMO the answers to your top 3 questions are probably something like:
1) shhh of course but I won't acknowledge that to you.
2) irrelevant--the image of being "the"
European alternative is the important thing, and besides (shhh) some components need to be hosted in places where certain inconvenient EU privacy laws don't apply, and
3) Because we wouldn't be able to manipulate it or any other open source platform to our goals.
@EUCommission @aral
Aral Balkan
in reply to Lea • • •Juɦo̞ Mæn̪t̪yˈs̠ɑ̝lo̞
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •@leadore
"You don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge. These people went to the same universities, they're on the same boards of directors, they're in the same country clubs, they have like interests, they don't need to call a meeting, they know what's good for them and they're getting it." - George Carlin
Also:
"It's a large club, and you're not invited." -George Carlin
Bi—zaar
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •And there's more sad news on this trap
@EUCommission @aral
@rysiek
journa.host/@occrp/11676656778…
OCCRP (@occrp@journa.host)
OCCRP (Journa.host)Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to Bi—zaar • • •Aral Balkan
in reply to Bi—zaar • • •@XavCC @rysiek Thanks for the heads up. Just unfollowed @occrp. They’re clearly not what I thought they were.
blog.elenarossini.com/w-social…
@XavCC @rysiek Thanks for the heads up. Just unfollowed @occrp. They’re clearly not what I thought they were.
blog.elenarossini.com/w-social…
Elena Rossini
2026-06-17 05:34:00
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •@XavCC they are a solid investigative journalism outlet, and reporters and journalists working there are wonderful people publishing important stories and working their fingers to the bone.
Top-down decisions, however… are a separate matter.
streetcoder
Unknown parent • • •@kichae We shouldn't push into a specific region. The internet is global and so is the Fediverse. Services are not evil because they are from a specific country.
But the whole world would be to much for one instance. Even more if we want to promote the other use cases like video, shorts, photos, podcasts, events, blogs, sport tracks, books and so on too.
The EU should help setting up instances as public infrastructure and start promoting the ones they already have, instead of lobby marketing.
BjoernAusGE
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Juɦo̞ Mæn̪t̪yˈs̠ɑ̝lo̞
in reply to BjoernAusGE • • •On the other hand, "Eurosky" sounds like off-brand Bluesky. I've been intentionally not reading about it for months now, and when I finally did do basic googling today, was surprised by their pitch.
streetcoder
Unknown parent • • •@kichae No why should I start another instance when they already have one. For whom?
I just want the EU Commission to use it and talk about it ec.social-network.europa.eu
But Ursula von der Leyen is not active there. Don't know if she even tried and why not?
In Germany we already have already:
For federal authorities social.bund.de
For the state I'm living nrw.social
Instances for cities e.g. bonn.social/about
VIP accounts with relevance netzbegruenung.de/blog/das-end…
streetcoder
in reply to streetcoder • • •@kichae It's not me not talking and not promoting the instances I use.
It seems Ursula von der Leyen prefers W Social over Mastodon. I want to know why? Because she could have already used the EU Commission instance she is working for.
And why is W Social so important for her that it's announced during G7? She is a representative and her words have a lot of power.
I assume she has done her research on alternatives before dropping things on important meetings. Why was Mastodon not an option?
Anita
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •No one can see inside the code and they connect to bluesky US. At the moment I cannot see too many differences.
Maybe they have to change sth or communicate differently.
Let s have a look.
bno
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •David B.
in reply to bno • • •@bno I'll with corrupt. Always have.
@_elena @EUCommission
DFX4509B (Joshua Mason)
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • •How soon before Europe makes their version of Red Star OS if they're implementing a state social media platform? A state OS is the next step.
Might as well give up on moving to Linux and LibreOffice because they clearly sold themselves out.
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Krystian Kulesz
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Aral Balkan
in reply to Krystian Kulesz • • •The European Commission doesn’t “respond” – they either post memes or regurgitate talking points.
“Responding” would involve critically engaging with the criticism. Which is not a behaviour have seen from that particular entity. I’m not entirely sure they’re capable of it.
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Matúš Chochlík
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •how I remember the calcified "communist" party in Czechoslovakia operated in the 80's:
- toxic positivity
- surveillance
- ignoring obvious problems
- ignoring of all criticism (justified or otherwise)
- criminalizing and excessive punishment of dissent
- treating the population as the enemy or at least with suspicion
- culture wars
- corruption
- stagnation
Looking at what the western governments are doing I'm getting a strong sense of deja'vu.
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Walrus 🏴
in reply to Matúš Chochlík • • •Hmmm, this looks like a description of Keir Stalin's outfit...
Chao-c'
in reply to Matúš Chochlík • • •@matus_chochlik I mostly agree - but the "alternative" in the form of Trumpism, AfD, etc. is really no better: it would be all of this, but with added incompetence (think 1970's marginally competent aparatchiks and engineers, with their vision of nuclear powered industrial society, replaced by 1980''s incompetent nepotist aparatchiks)
I am preparing article for certain paper-printed zine, itself keeping kontinuity with 1980's underground disent media, about Fediverse. I want to use title "Digital samizdat", emphasizing similarities between Fediverse approach and former eastern blok #samizdat movement. I want to attract attention of aging members of former disent and try to explain them what is going on in western digital society.
Lot of what we were thinking were going on in 1980's was just wild imagination, because these governments were no technically capably of processing huge amounts of surveillan
... Show more...@matus_chochlik I mostly agree - but the "alternative" in the form of Trumpism, AfD, etc. is really no better: it would be all of this, but with added incompetence (think 1970's marginally competent aparatchiks and engineers, with their vision of nuclear powered industrial society, replaced by 1980''s incompetent nepotist aparatchiks)
I am preparing article for certain paper-printed zine, itself keeping kontinuity with 1980's underground disent media, about Fediverse. I want to use title "Digital samizdat", emphasizing similarities between Fediverse approach and former eastern blok #samizdat movement. I want to attract attention of aging members of former disent and try to explain them what is going on in western digital society.
Lot of what we were thinking were going on in 1980's was just wild imagination, because these governments were no technically capably of processing huge amounts of surveillance data; their terror was limited to their Bastillas, which were not invincible. But this time, the surveillance is not government, but corporate operated, and the corporations are now really the government.
The discussion what really happened in our era, would take some time - but we need platform, where this discussion can take place.
@aral @krystian_kulesz @_elena @EUCommission
Matúš Chochlík
in reply to Chao-c' • • •Yes, and this very clearly shows that descent to "authoritarianism" whatever that even means isn't some inherent trait of communism, there are quite a few examples of that same thing happening to countries claiming to have a liberal system.
It is a symptom of an entrenched system and its ruling class feeling threatened.
@aral @krystian_kulesz @_elena @EUCommission
Chao-c'
in reply to Matúš Chochlík • • •@matus_chochlik there are multiple parallel entrenched "castes", from my point of view. The problem is, that even the relative power of corporate caste is diminishing, compared to power of the new hyperscalers.
I can't really speculate about the balance of power in today's world, but while I am all pro-Fediverse, hoping to reach as many as 20 000 mostly non-mainstream users in Czech republic, I can see the reasons, why EC is not betting on it, as what they really need is communication channel towards mainstream.
Were have not even reached status of "mainstream alternative" or "mainstream underground" channel... we are not mainstream cassette tape sharing in 1980's, we are cassette tape sharing in 1970's! We are real "digital samizdat" and of course, you can't count on structures viewing themself as new superpowers for 21st century to take us seriously.
I think the main value of Fediverse is not replicating all the para-social relations of mainstream me
... Show more...@matus_chochlik there are multiple parallel entrenched "castes", from my point of view. The problem is, that even the relative power of corporate caste is diminishing, compared to power of the new hyperscalers.
I can't really speculate about the balance of power in today's world, but while I am all pro-Fediverse, hoping to reach as many as 20 000 mostly non-mainstream users in Czech republic, I can see the reasons, why EC is not betting on it, as what they really need is communication channel towards mainstream.
Were have not even reached status of "mainstream alternative" or "mainstream underground" channel... we are not mainstream cassette tape sharing in 1980's, we are cassette tape sharing in 1970's! We are real "digital samizdat" and of course, you can't count on structures viewing themself as new superpowers for 21st century to take us seriously.
I think the main value of Fediverse is not replicating all the para-social relations of mainstream media. The main value is, that we are collections of real people, not AI personalities.
In my vision, Fediverse instances are going to be run by communities, which already have some business models of memberships. Pubs, sport clubs, music clubs, whatever. Schools, of course (I mean: for students over 16 years) - my first usable e-mail address was provided by university, in cca 1995 or so.
@aral @krystian_kulesz @_elena @EUCommission
Matúš Chochlík
in reply to Chao-c' • • •the problem with this is, that there already are at least hundreds of thousands if not millions of active users in the Fediverse, there isn't/recently wasn't anyone on W. EU could have chosen to support the Fediverse (which already implements their proclaimed goals and "values"), instead they chose to support our "local" techno-feudal lords.
@aral @krystian_kulesz @_elena @EUCommission
Chao-c'
in reply to Matúš Chochlík • • •yes, but the Fediverse is hard to regulate easily, because there is no central authority. On the other hand, because Mastodon is dominant platform and there is single source of official releases, the age verification method supported by the official Mastodon release channel would be quickly adopted by most of european Fedi (and yes, there are probably ways to do it - like the DeepL verifies credit card numbers without charging them, or so).
The problem are us, instance admins. We are going always to be the single source of truth about about our instance accounts. We are like dangerous landlords, who need to be kept in line. We are the keepers of the private keys. And some people, including security policy advisors to politicians, are smart enough. We are more like confederation, not real federation. At the same time, anything centralized won't stay resilient.
I really don't know, what is the right strategy. Maybe I don't even believe in Fedi as the dominant, major mainstream channel, like e-mail was: maybe it would destroy us. Instead, it would be strategic to be very
... Show more...yes, but the Fediverse is hard to regulate easily, because there is no central authority. On the other hand, because Mastodon is dominant platform and there is single source of official releases, the age verification method supported by the official Mastodon release channel would be quickly adopted by most of european Fedi (and yes, there are probably ways to do it - like the DeepL verifies credit card numbers without charging them, or so).
The problem are us, instance admins. We are going always to be the single source of truth about about our instance accounts. We are like dangerous landlords, who need to be kept in line. We are the keepers of the private keys. And some people, including security policy advisors to politicians, are smart enough. We are more like confederation, not real federation. At the same time, anything centralized won't stay resilient.
I really don't know, what is the right strategy. Maybe I don't even believe in Fedi as the dominant, major mainstream channel, like e-mail was: maybe it would destroy us. Instead, it would be strategic to be very strong and resilient alternative, which is well known, maybe too hard to use for some parts of population, but definitely channel, which can't be ignored and which is perfectly able to sustain itself even without venture investors or so.
I won't really boost posts about W social, because I don't actually want anybody to be aware of it. And I have *some* impact (perhaps small). I will rather promote new Mastodon features, like account collection, and will try to debunk the "empty timeline syndrome" myth.
@aral @krystian_kulesz @_elena @EUCommission
Krystian Kulesz
in reply to Chao-c' • • •Chao-c'
in reply to Krystian Kulesz • • •@krystian_kulesz
No.
I was mentioning early Internet in 1990's, when every university provided students with e-mail addresses, on servers maintained by that university, on their own domain.
The logic of ActivityPub is very much like early e-mail - just with added public interaction. If you showed ActivityPub to 1990's server admin, he would mostly recognize what it is about.
Explaining universities, that instead of maintaining presence on corporate social media they should run their own ActivityPub instances should be easier, than starting from top layer, like EC.
I believe that we should build Fediverse from bottom: schools, newspapers, cities, regions, various voluntary organizations...
It would be even chance to resolve scaling issues (which will happen) before moving to higher level and more official organizations.
@matus_chochlik @aral @_elena @EUCommission
Viktoria D. Richards/Uddelhexe
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •So WSocial is a closed, profit driven service with infrastructure " in the EU.
Hmmm..yeah...nope
I have no interest in supporting an EU Alternative to the same shit Meta does, only worse, because they also have my iD- Certificate info and biometrical Fotos of my face.
I put on my WSocial Bingo Card:
- WSocial Servers get hacked. Userdata sold in darknet
- Scamsites of WSocial do phishing for UserData
- US infrastructure used in data storage
#Wsocial
Eggs now in different baskets.
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •Whoo-hoo! I just searched for "is wsocial federated with bluesky" on No AI DDG and your blog post regarding Wsocial and how the company is organised came up second in the list of results.
Aral Balkan
in reply to Eggs now in different baskets. • • •【Ϙ】
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈 • • •