in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈

them going closed source isn't that surprising and something Bluesky has chosen to make possible for themselves and others from the beginning via their licensing choices that stand in stark contrast to Mastodon's.

Personally I don't really find Eurosky all that much better because they're only contributing to the overall Bluesky ecosystem anyway and their messaging and how they are set up doesn't really make me very confident about how European they are either.

@EUCommission @aral

in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈

I read your article, pretty nice investigation are you in ! - in fact I keeping reading your posts also the info and adventures from Gina too.

As always politician and big guys trying to use the miss information to achieve their stupid stuffs - It's funny and curious what EU commission statement publishes vs reality !

They think they can hide it by adding # "commented" character or as we noted here by deletion or setting as private an entire project - no cool no good no sovereignty

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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈

Once upon a time, JAVA™ was open source.

The only source whose you could be sure to have an eternal access to is the one you manage yourself, open or closed.

Opening source is mean of extending collaboration, not a guarantee of sovereignity.

An example is the French Tresor. As far as i know, it owns its computer infrastructure and has an internal computer science team. But the software is closed source.

@EUCommission @aral

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This was definitely NOT on my bingo card for this year:

European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen taking a moment between G7 meetings to promote the launch of the closed-source, for-profit network #WSocial.

🔗 : web.archive.org/web/2026061708…

I fear this may be a harbinger of things to come: MANDATORY AGE VERIFICATION for social media across Europe. I hope I'm wrong on this.

#privacy #SurveillanceCapitalism #EUBigTech

in reply to L'égrégore André ꕭꕬ

@Mabande I think it's more just being clueless and wsocial being very well politically connected so they are able to convince these politicians to do this. It was evident this was their stategy from day one with the announcement at Davos etc. but I wouldn't necessarily have bet on them being this successful with it.

Ultimately this might still not mean that much though.

@Razemix @sanzky @_elena

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@sanzky It's Ursula von der Leyen. Here in Germany, she epitomizes - perhaps more than anyone else - a combination of corruption and utter incompetence.
She has never won a single popular vote anywhere - quite the opposite: she lost constituencies that had previously been considered safe seats for her party - and has built her entire career exclusively on her corrupt networks, while scandals would always catch up with her just in the nick of time, before she was promoted to the next post
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈

Latest SCOOP on #WSocial:

The European Commission Spokesperson for tech sovereignty Thomas Reigner just migrated his ATproto account from Bluesky (open source) to W Social (closed-source). How ironic!

🔗 : clearsky.app/thomasregnier.ec.…

And now excuse me as I go pick up my child from daycare. I'll be intermittently online for the rest of the day. Thank you for all your boosts and comments!

#DigitalSovereignty #OpenWashing #EuropeWashing #SovereigntyWashing

in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈

@aral @EUCommission

Unbelievable, and really disheartening. What a farce. I just commented yesterday that "sovereignty" had become this new fad, a business buzzword to indicate where the low-hanging revenue is for the big enterprises, like earlier the hollow phrase of "digital transformation" (digital transformation for the purpose of what?). This more anecdotal proof that this is indeed the case..

social.coop/@smallcircles/1167…


@fluidlogic
I am afraid "sovereignty" has become a business-world hype cycle word, like "digital transformation" was not long ago, but has lost its shine now. Vapid marketing words that indicate where the money is, and that *must* be used to win a pitch, esp. with gov institutions. The more the better.

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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈

for fuck sake they won't ever learn!

Yesterday, I watched this video videos.assemblee-nationale.fr/… with @renchap where he explained how public administrations just want an access to the service, not operate it and it grinds my gear so fuckin much

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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈

OK, we should send some letters and organise some public "demonstration" to show that we already have a much better alternative in place.

Otherwise she and the other politicians will never know that the Fediverse is already relevant and is much more democratic and digitally independent than Bluesky/W Social could ever be.

Or maybe they already know and it's all due to lobby, but than it would be even more important.

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@EUCommission it's such a betrayal. 😢🥺😰

They can't be bothered to #plusOne the open free democratic social web. But they can cuddle up with weird business people in Davos? What's the point in believing in our representatives like von der Leyen anymore? Who advices them?

folkdata.se/en/plus-one/

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@aral

welcome to the left.

in the US, we have the Democrats who pretend to want all the good things and have great PR but somehow never seem to fight hard enough when it matters or provide what the people really need and want. they are bought off. I'm sure this exists in other countries too but at least you guys have universal health care 😛

anyway I think that game is getting played in the tech world too. bluesky etc. the same excuses get made, while they retain power and profit.

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I never really trusted Ursula van der Leyen since she suggested that anyone who knows how to change a dns server is a pedophile.
It was during her time as German family minister where a proposed dns block was criticized by experts that it won’t work, since people could just change dns when she stated something similar to that. She was very stubborn to not listen to IT experts.
Only source I could find:

netzpolitik.org/2014/fuenf-jah…

in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈

reminds me of the #Luca app that was pitched at the start of #Covid in Germany: The app was marketed heavily by #Smudo, frontman of a famous band here. The company and Smudo seemed very undiscerning to criticism about its closed-source nature (now seems to be #OpenSource). The hole practice seemed shady.

My conclusion then was maybe Smudo / #Fanta4 had good intentions, allowing concerts, helping people. But didn't get OpenSource + were used by a company. Maybe similar w. #VonDerLeyen...

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and I agree with you, that probably a lot more greedy EU companies will try to jump on that #DigitalSovereignty bandwagon.
We've already had the the German #Bundeswehr praising their new sovereign cloud efforts last year - in cooperation with Google... bundeswehr.de/de/meldungen/par…
It'll be so important to explain and insist on the #OpenSource necessity for Digital Sovereignty now.
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@feyter
> Please use the money to found open source project that actually do work

This is not possible. An open-source project doesn't have the technical capability to pay a 50 percent commission.

Simple as that.

There are billions of reasons why OLAF (the EU’s anti-corruption agency) has been effectively defunded.

@_elena @EUCommission @aral

in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈

The same nonsense we saw with #Mistral. It says on the official Wikipedia page that it’s down to Google, Meta and the usual hedge funds. Then billions are thrown at it; Mistral is utterly incompetent – in other words, rubbish. But everyone made money. I reckon there’s no getting round reading Rosa Luxemburg’s *The Accumulation of Capital*. That’s what it’s always about. Always.
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in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈

I am not a programmer, at all, zero knowledge, but for 20 years, I've been listening to OS evangelicals tell me how important OS is

and you know what ?
I don't care
I really don't

and I am, among my entire circle of friends/family/coworkers, the "odd guy" who cares about stuff like this

so if I don't care, I would guess that 98% of the population doesn't care

so maybe OS evangelicals need a better message ?

in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈

This is a tactic that is getting more and more common. It's especially so in the VC funded, quick growth bullshit going on.

Crypto is a big one When I was researching blockchain a bit I bought a couple sets of Tensor cards. This was Open Source when I got it and they were still peddling themselves as Open Source last I saw after they'd quietly changed all their licenses in all their repositories.

Happens in the services too though. Hashicorp. Bait and switch.

in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈

We are starving 🍞💔
No f00d n0 support and d0nations have st0pped
My children are hungry and we have n0thing to feed them
Any help can save live us
chuffed.org/project/178829
#WorldCup #WorldCup2026 #Ireland #Belfast #España #CaboVerde #Cucurella #France #Arcom #Gavi #Donate #
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈

*dons tin foil hat*

When something this fishy is going on you can be sure that a lot of money is changing hands and a "not-for-public-knowledge" agenda is being implemented behind the scenes.

IMO the answers to your top 3 questions are probably something like:
1) shhh of course but I won't acknowledge that to you.

2) irrelevant--the image of being "the"
European alternative is the important thing, and besides (shhh) some components need to be hosted in places where certain inconvenient EU privacy laws don't apply, and

3) Because we wouldn't be able to manipulate it or any other open source platform to our goals.

@EUCommission @aral

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@leadore
"You don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge. These people went to the same universities, they're on the same boards of directors, they're in the same country clubs, they have like interests, they don't need to call a meeting, they know what's good for them and they're getting it." - George Carlin

Also:

"It's a large club, and you're not invited." -George Carlin

@Lea
in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈

And there's more sad news on this trap
@EUCommission @aral
@rysiek

journa.host/@occrp/11676656778…

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streetcoder

@kichae We shouldn't push into a specific region. The internet is global and so is the Fediverse. Services are not evil because they are from a specific country.

But the whole world would be to much for one instance. Even more if we want to promote the other use cases like video, shorts, photos, podcasts, events, blogs, sport tracks, books and so on too.

The EU should help setting up instances as public infrastructure and start promoting the ones they already have, instead of lobby marketing.

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streetcoder

@kichae No why should I start another instance when they already have one. For whom?

I just want the EU Commission to use it and talk about it ec.social-network.europa.eu

But Ursula von der Leyen is not active there. Don't know if she even tried and why not?

In Germany we already have already:

For federal authorities social.bund.de

For the state I'm living nrw.social

Instances for cities e.g. bonn.social/about

VIP accounts with relevance netzbegruenung.de/blog/das-end…

in reply to streetcoder

@kichae It's not me not talking and not promoting the instances I use.

It seems Ursula von der Leyen prefers W Social over Mastodon. I want to know why? Because she could have already used the EU Commission instance she is working for.

And why is W Social so important for her that it's announced during G7? She is a representative and her words have a lot of power.

I assume she has done her research on alternatives before dropping things on important meetings. Why was Mastodon not an option?

in reply to Krystian Kulesz

The European Commission doesn’t “respond” – they either post memes or regurgitate talking points.

“Responding” would involve critically engaging with the criticism. Which is not a behaviour have seen from that particular entity. I’m not entirely sure they’re capable of it.

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how I remember the calcified "communist" party in Czechoslovakia operated in the 80's:

- toxic positivity
- surveillance
- ignoring obvious problems
- ignoring of all criticism (justified or otherwise)
- criminalizing and excessive punishment of dissent
- treating the population as the enemy or at least with suspicion
- culture wars
- corruption
- stagnation

Looking at what the western governments are doing I'm getting a strong sense of deja'vu.

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in reply to Chao-c'

Yes, and this very clearly shows that descent to "authoritarianism" whatever that even means isn't some inherent trait of communism, there are quite a few examples of that same thing happening to countries claiming to have a liberal system.

It is a symptom of an entrenched system and its ruling class feeling threatened.

@aral @krystian_kulesz @_elena @EUCommission

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in reply to Chao-c'

the problem with this is, that there already are at least hundreds of thousands if not millions of active users in the Fediverse, there isn't/recently wasn't anyone on W. EU could have chosen to support the Fediverse (which already implements their proclaimed goals and "values"), instead they chose to support our "local" techno-feudal lords.

@aral @krystian_kulesz @_elena @EUCommission

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@krystian_kulesz
No.

I was mentioning early Internet in 1990's, when every university provided students with e-mail addresses, on servers maintained by that university, on their own domain.

The logic of ActivityPub is very much like early e-mail - just with added public interaction. If you showed ActivityPub to 1990's server admin, he would mostly recognize what it is about.

Explaining universities, that instead of maintaining presence on corporate social media they should run their own ActivityPub instances should be easier, than starting from top layer, like EC.

I believe that we should build Fediverse from bottom: schools, newspapers, cities, regions, various voluntary organizations...

It would be even chance to resolve scaling issues (which will happen) before moving to higher level and more official organizations.

@matus_chochlik @aral @_elena @EUCommission

in reply to Elena Rossini 🌈

So WSocial is a closed, profit driven service with infrastructure " in the EU.

Hmmm..yeah...nope

I have no interest in supporting an EU Alternative to the same shit Meta does, only worse, because they also have my iD- Certificate info and biometrical Fotos of my face.

I put on my WSocial Bingo Card:

- WSocial Servers get hacked. Userdata sold in darknet
- Scamsites of WSocial do phishing for UserData
- US infrastructure used in data storage

#Wsocial

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