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The #Tesla CyberTruck is 17 times more likely to have a fire fatality than a Ford Pinto, which was famously flawed with a gas tank behind the rear bumper that would explode in rear-end collisions.

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in reply to Augie Ray

By the way, the Pinto gets a bad rap. I've owned two of them, never exploded. Only the Station wagon version ever "exploded" IIRC, and who would buy a Pinto station wagon.
Anyway, they are sure better than Swasticars and Trucks.
in reply to John Breen

@jab01701mid Well, there was a well-recognized design flaw in several years' models. I, too, owned a Pinto. (If I recall, it was a 1980, the year they changed the design), and I liked the car.
in reply to Augie Ray

tl;dr I did review the Pinto case details. I still contend the Pinto got a bad rap.
For one thing, if you are in a stalled Pinto on a freeway, and are rear-ended by a bigger Ford Galaxy, it's not going to turn out well.
I also believe that people would have still bought Pinto models if Ford had disclosed "This could have been safer, but we didn't choose to do that. gas tank behind axle is not best-practice. Rear end beware".
But safety standards do reduce risk, as you know !
in reply to Augie Ray

@jab01701mid I had a friend in high school who had one of the old “exploding” pinto models. It had the added feature of having a hole rusted through the backseat floor board so when he drove through corn fields dirt would fly in.
in reply to Michigander

@Michigander Yeah, but when you dropped your beer, it would drain out by itself. That's what I hear anyway.
in reply to John Breen

@jab01701mid
I had a '72 Pinto (in 1985-1988). It had a hole under the driver's side floor mat, and more holes under the seat itself. I once soaked myself and all my high school friends, hitting a puddle at 30 mph. I also nearly wrecked it avoiding a raccoon in the road, because I knew it would come up through the floor either in pieces or very angry.

The passenger seat adjuster was broken, so the seat just rolled forward a bit when I stopped, and back again when I accelerated. Luckily, the adjustment wheels were rusted, so it didn't roll quickly, but it was known as The Ejector Seat, and I got very good at easing up to stop signs. The Pinto did have seatbelts, but that was pretty much the only safety feature. It was clear that, in an accident, the only thing the Pinto would bring to the table was an added risk of tetanus.

My rule of thumb was to drive fast enough to never be rear-ended. And that thing could go, too, shedding rust flakes and small nonessential parts all up and down I-95.

@Michigander @augieray

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in reply to E. C. Bigribs

Your last paragraph describes the US over the past decade or so.
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@Andres4NY
So many things feel like metaphors these days.

Amusingly, this car had previously been an Official Government Vehicle. A family member had been mayor of our town, and city officials insisted he have a "city car". He thought this was dumb and wasteful, and authorized the purchase of the cheapest thing he could find. I'm not 100% sure why he still had it, but I think the same officials who insisted he get it insisted he take it with him.

@jab01701mid @Michigander @augieray

in reply to Andres S

@Andres4NY @Michigander @eedly You guys are making me cry, I was going for Kenny G. 😎 🎷
No seriously EVH or Jimmy are high compliments for a wannabe guitarist and Pinto mechanic.
in reply to Augie Ray

@jab01701mid my mom also had a Pinto she remembers fondly, but I don't know what year. It was the early models with the fire hazard right?

Also are we irony poisoned enough as a society that Ford could bring the Pinto back and kinda wink and laugh about it? I don't think it's impossible.

in reply to Augie Ray

having owned & driven the car that inspired/created Ralph Nader (Corvairs were “unsafe at any speed”), I hope they expand their research! I’d love to see the data comparison.
in reply to Augie Ray

Seems like that's good thing, as long as you aren't too close to one (and why would you be?).
in reply to Augie Ray

very disappointed the article doesn't indicate how the explosions are triggered.
in reply to MacCruiskeen

@maccruiskeen there are lots of EV's on the road in Britain, and some are inevitably crashed. There was a high speed collision of a German EV in Western England recently (in which the son of a friend of a friend was killed). Police are still investigating the causes, but what was apparent from the released pictures is the EV batteries did *not* catch on fire. (the Cybertruck is prohibited here, it does not comply to UK or European safety regulations in its present form).
in reply to Augie Ray

We lately seem to get inured to statistical information. I mean even "17% more likely to kill you by fire than a Pinto" should be a frightening risk in a modern car, and notable news.

But here they're talking 1700%. Yet somehow in this 'modern' reality that's not grounds to pull it off the road.

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in reply to Augie Ray

Just when you think you have seen everything, then Musken comes along and makes EXPLODING LEMONS!
in reply to Augie Ray

»A new analysis by independent automotive blog FuelArc suggests that fire fatalities are 17 times more likely in a Cybertruck than in the infamous Ford Pinto — the posterchild of deadly cars if ever there was one.«

autos.yahoo.com/cybertruck-app…

Cited by Perplexity.

perplexity.ai/search/how-many-…

in reply to Augie Ray

That site only seems to have existed for a few weeks. Not convinced the author is a real person.
in reply to Augie Ray

Ok but you can't really count the one where a guy intentionally blew the thing (and himself) up
in reply to Augie Ray

Not a tesla defender but I read the article and this is based on two (2) crashes + Las Vegas and that’s just not enough data to be statistically significant. I still wouldn’t ride in one!
in reply to Augie Ray

Ford knew ahead of time how dangerous the Pinto was. Ford did a cost benefit analysis, found that the company could still make a profit by releasing the Pinto, and did so. Elon Musk's "brother from another mother".
in reply to Augie Ray

maybe it's by design if fascist Musk wants an army of autonomous weaponized trucks that catch on fire which is difficult to extinguish. It could also explain why he wanted it to be bullet proof for small calibers.
in reply to Augie Ray

As a former Pinto owner (first car, long ago) I can finally hold my head up. I knew I had good reasons to laugh every time I see one of these.
in reply to Augie Ray

I really want to see some consequences for Elon Musk, but unfortunately, the rich are above the law. Maybe another Luigi will take him out. One can only hope.
in reply to Augie Ray

My first car was a bright green 71 Pinto. I’m tempted to say the Cybertruck would look better in this color, but then it would look even more like a dumpster.
in reply to Augie Ray

The scene with the Pinto from Top Secret. C'mon folks. One of you has the talent and skill to make it a Cybertruck.
Or does that already exist?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ngtALzDA…

in reply to Augie Ray

There is one that drives around my neighbourhood. The problem is, every time I see it, I can only think of it as a truck trying to look like a utility, but having zero utility functions.

It's pretty useless, other than as a really expensive way to get around. And now apparently, a frikken death trap lol...

in reply to Augie Ray

Is there a particular spot on the Garbagetruck's rear that, when struck, has a greater chance of causing an explosion? Asking for a friend. <evil grin>
in reply to Augie Ray

I read the article on #Cybertruck explosions at fuelarc.com/evs/its-official-t… and left a comment because I figured maybe some positive feedback would be a good thing. The reply: "Got your note - glad you survived your Ford Pinto! I'm reading through a pile of death threats and hate mail from Tesla investors and their associated bots, pleased me to hear from you."

Maybe #Fediverse can show 'em what real humans are like.