someone needs to drag m00t by the collar and force him to say which of the techbro mafia was running psyops on /b/ and with Anonymous.
because there is a direct link from 4chan to Anonymous, to Pepe, to QAnon, to Bitcoin and it’s parody coin DOGE, to troll farms on social media and Reddit, to Tesla stock rising, to delisting Twitter to the 2016 coup to Jan6 and now to this 2024/2025 DOGE coup.
i still believe something in the milk ain’t clean with the 2024 EC results and popular vote totals.
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Oh, I had not seen that either.
That is EXTREMELY INTERESTING.
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Same. I skimmed it but would need to read in more depth. It sounds extremely suspicious though, and if it ever reached Kamala, it’s a major missed chance that she and her team didn’t follow up on it.
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Unknown parent • • •am going to ignore this comment because i cannot expect people to know my past work and it would be impolite to scream at you YES I FUCKING KNOW.
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in reply to your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦 • • •There was certainly a very weird pattern here in NC: we elected a bunch of Democrats to state office, and undid the R supermajority in Raleigh -- and yet we also went for Trump??
The lack of (at least!) some kind of investigation about this feels like the Dems were ordered back in their lane by the paymasters...
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in reply to your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦 • • •In Europe's Middle Ages the Church was an essential part of the feudal system. It is how the populace was persuaded that the kings and nobles were their lords by divine right, and rebelling against their exploitation would commit one's soul to Hell, after the lords were done with torture and execution.
Today it is the corporate media (tv, newspapers, movies, social sites...) that does that service for today's nobles -- the billionaires and their corporations. The milk is fine.
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in reply to your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦 • • •Hoo boy. That's another topic I've not wanted to touch yet, because the experts on voting systems rightly say,
1. There still hasn't been any clear evidence of any tampering with electronic voting machines, and
2. Judging between plausible cases of voting fraud and pure bullshit is near impossible for the average joe, because they don't understand any of the technology and bullshit sounds just as plausible.
3. If voter trust is broken, we can't put Humpty-Dumpty together again.
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in reply to Clifton Royston • • •BUT...The whole basket of eggs is lying shattered on the ground right now. (Yeah I'm mixing metaphors, shut up you.)
So I will share a few musings.
It is very disturbing that many electronic voting machines are designed so there is no easy way to prove the votes were *not* tampered with. Some of these systems, it sounds like, could almost have been designed to make auditing difficult or impossible, or maybe even designed to ease backdoor access.
Why then are states buying these?
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in reply to your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦 • • •There was also the *other* voting machine maker (I forget which) who was on the air in some interview proudly declaring that he (and his company?) "would deliver Ohio for Bush!" Remember that one?
Of course they waffled up some fluff about what he "really" had meant, but
in that very election some Ohio districts had some strange and literally impossible numbers in early election returns (more GOP votes than total voters IIRC) before they suddenly jumped back to plausible numbers.
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in reply to Clifton Royston • • •Then too when you look at what Republican controlled state legislatures have done the last 15 years, 20 years and more to obstruct voting along racial and political lines by law changes, and specifically to prevent as many Democrats as they can from voting at all - it is 100% clear the Republican party has absolutely NO interest in a fair vote or in the principle of one citizen, one vote.
They'll close polling places or drop voters off the registry rolls for made-up reasons.
Clifton Royston
in reply to Clifton Royston • • •Then there's the interesting question of just why is the right wing *so* sure that there must be voting fraud going on somewhere, and demanding small-d democratic elections be invalidated whenever a Democrat wins?
Is it because some of them know something?
Is it the same boring but CONSTANTLY repeated "projection" phenomenon, which is such a thing all over the right wing political landscape? (As in, "we know our pastor's molesting kids, so surely those drag queens must be too!")
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in reply to Clifton Royston • • •And most recently we have the spectacle of down-race Republicans in some states simply saying "My opponent got far more votes than I did; I don't care, I should get the office anyway."
So I ask myself - if these people knew they *could* tamper with the voting machines to change the results, and knew *how* to safely tamper with the voting machines, would they?
Damn right many of them would.
I think by now that's very clear.
Clifton Royston
in reply to Clifton Royston • • •And finally, *would* that be possible on some machines, without leaving any clear traces?
According to the experts on such things, yes, certainly on some if not most, with the right access to them.
IIRC on some it might be as simple as the ability to plug in a USB drive or a floppy disk (some use old tech, which isn't necessarily bad) or to plug a phone line into a diagnostic jack and have someone with the right instructions dial in remotely.
Clifton Royston
in reply to Clifton Royston • • •So can we believe all those numbers about how many voted for Trump, how many stayed home this election?
I don't know to what extent. Maybe, maybe not.
It's very possible all these media narratives about what changed here, what changed there have completely missed what really changed, and it was competence in vote alteration.
But I could be wrong about that.
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in reply to Clifton Royston • • •❝ And finally, *would* that be possible on some machines, without leaving any clear traces?
yup. don’t have citations cuz, believe it or not, don’t consider elections tech my main beat, but am almost certain the last white hat hacking experiments happened after the 2013 Shelby case to prove Roberts was wrong safe & secure elections. and i want to say, it was the Dominion machines that were hacked ―which is why MAGA used it to discredit the 2020 elections
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in reply to your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦 • • •Embedded systems and embedded code has been one of my professional areas of work for a long time, so I did read some of the more technical articles on the topic in detail and found them very convincing.
I didn't save the references though, so I'm not sure I could go back and refresh my memory on which ones were involved.
(Also, the software design on some of these systems? Just *so* bad. Why use MS fucking Windows? Why store votes in a fucking EXCEL format file?)
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in reply to Clifton Royston • • •@CliftonR it depends on the county. that’s the nuance you are missing.
the state rights garbage embedded in the law makes tracking down all the machines and all the technologies almost impossible to follow without proper QA regulation. the law doesn’t fund QA regulation of the machines EXACTLY because the intention was always to weaken federal oversight of elections ―something that the Voting Rights Act and it’s subsequent expansions used to do until Roberts 2013 “post-Black” ruling.
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in reply to your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦 • • •Yep yep.
<s> Gosh it sure is a good thing that racial prejudice in this country has been gone for such a long time now, ain't it? Couldn't possibly ever affect any election conduct again, right? </s>
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in reply to Clifton Royston • • •@CliftonR fascists financed by the kochbros coopted the blackboxvoting talking points to discredit Obama’s 2 wins ―and because they had all the oligarchic media on their side, they succeeded in drowning out the criticism against proprietary systems.
it’s even worse because Democrats have consistently refused to pass legislation against blaxboxvoting when they had majorities, so the 2024 elections will forever be an inauditable shit of an election thanks to their cowardice and complicity.
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in reply to your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦 • • •This has been making for an interesting, interleaved discussion. Now I have to go back and reread everything you wrote while I was doing my brain dump, but I caught at least some of the highlights.
I know you've talked about this issue before - you're much more certain about it than I am, but recently I am leaning more this way.
And yes, this is another area where the Democrats have fucked up every time they're in power, whatever reason may be behind it.
Clifton Royston
in reply to Clifton Royston • • •One of my old Usenet friends (then Twitter, now on Mastodon) introduced me several years ago to the term "turnismo."
Are you familiar with that one, as a Spanish speaker? The dictionary definitions point to late 1800s Spain, but it's showed up in different places and times since.
Two parties run against each other in elections but behind the scenes, they have a "gentleman's agreement" where they will nicely hand the government back and forth every so often.
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in reply to Clifton Royston • • •In extreme cases, with secret handshake agreements, they would agree "it's your turn now", and the party in control would then run unpopular candidates for office to let the other take a turn. In others, it was just a matter of handing the reins over nicely to whoever wins.
Almost every stupid thing we've seen the Democrats do for the last 40+ years, it sure looks like they think they're playing that game.
The Republicans *stopped* playing that game because they want to play Fash.
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in reply to Clifton Royston • • •@CliftonR am looking at this and have no comments yet:
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Spaf might have some useful thoughts about it too.
I wish I had seen it a couple months ago.
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