## Should people have a choice to attempt living outside of capitalism?

That is for consenting adults to form a community and live outside the system of exchange, under their own rules, based on their own forms of production and consumption?
Not individual right granted, respected, and guarded by the state, as this already exists as long as land can be acquired through exchange, tax liabilities and other obligations are met, an individual can buy land and live pretty much as the individual wants. As long as neighboring properties are unaffected by their activity, air and ground/water is not polluted. Ideally, but in most states even this does not go on too well. But individual autonomy is not a real issue as such never existed and will never exist outside capitalism and wealth.

The issue of community not participating in any form of exchange and attempting to survive outside the "system", {is, should be, is not, should not be} a possibility? How dictatorial has current reality become, to blackmail people to either participate in capitalism, usually at the wrong end of the exploitation chain, to exchange labor for survival needs? Under many political systems this is a reality within what is projected as democracy, coercion, extortion, blackmail. "You can believe what you want but it is either playing inside capitalism or dying alone".
As long as a thin majority participates in elections and legitimates this political system this blackmail is forced on everyone. It doesn't matter whether you like or dislike participation in this market of exchanged, you have to subject to this slavery for survival.

The parliamentary left has no problem with this, but neither does the extra-parliamentary radical or Marxist left. The dictatorship of the majority is respected by political competitors, participating in this pseudo-democratic system. The game of who gets a chance to enforce their game on everyone, despite of what they may like or want.

For those who are committed in the idealism of not participating in violence, the option is simple. Capitalism or suicide. This is the true nature of freedom in capitalism, living slave or dying free.

It wasn't always like this, there existed public lands where a small community could congregate and occupy a territory and survive by not bothering or being bothered. Even in the US in the 1960s, there were communes, not all were built on private land.
Lately such options have been minimized. Public land under the neoliberal terminology "state property" have excluded people not just from living but even accessing, and this state ownership also justifies sale/exchange to private interests. This "green revolution" has been the primary vehicle of stripping human rights from land and water bodies and allowing land grab by mega-energy-corporations.
It is this slim majority again, the dictators, stripping human rights from "everyone" and acting as mega-corporations' best partner in crime. Lumber, mining, meat/dairy production, and off-shore oil/gas exploration are the primary aggressors here. Land/Water GRUB = late capitalism

Where industry used to occupy the little property to organize mass production, today industry is occupying the vast majority of land and water, squeezing the exploited and oppressed in small spaces and ultimate dependence to exchanging labor and resources.

## THE OWNERSHIP OF THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION is the ONLY thing that matters.

Should there be a choice for people to collectively exit the system of exchange and form a collective system of sharing work and products?

#marxism #anarchism #communism #communalism #corporatism #dialectic #materialism #IWW #libertarian #libertarianism #neoliberalism #theory #wobblies #socialism ?

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Assumptions for socialism to flourish globally

- For humans to improve their material conditions they must have access and consume mass produced industrial products. Therefore they should also be engaged in industrial mass production in the "From each according to its ability, to each according to its need" manner. And equality will just fall from the sky among producers and consumers.

- Industrial production requires mass extraction of metals and chemicals from earth, as well as fuels. There is an infinite amount of materials that can be mined and there is infinite capacity by the ecosystem to recuperate from the damage caused by mining and industrial activity, including power generation (fossil, wind, solar, hydro, nuclear energy transformation - all with a very high ecological footprint) .

- The control of mining, production, transportation, the nature and form of production, is scientifically determined, the decisions are made by experts, and are not up for discussion or debate. The overseeing of execution of those decisions requires central control and power, policing, and that fits well within a socialist society.

- The centralized control of production and consumption, the overseeing of operations, and the policing of everyone's activities according to central plan requires a state apparatus.

- Class is purely determined by economics, the amount of labor exchanged for the amount of consumption, will be regulated, but power of those making decisions and those executing them are not class determinants.

- Going from a world where 80% of the population contributing to mass industrial production and 20% benefiting from this production, we can multiply production so everyone benefits "equally". So x3 x4 current industrial production?

- There is little room for discussing all this as it will be all up in the hands of "experts"/"scientists" to decide. Where people live, how they live, how they work, how they spend their free time, can all be determined by experts.

- Experts are recognized by state institutions such as academia, whose existence is unrelated to capitalism. Universities, research institutions, health and medical organizations, would have been created due to scientific development despite of whether capitalism existed or not. So it is safe to incorporate and continue those social structures as unrelated to capitalism. And so is social control and violent forces terrorizing the masses.

And this is only a stage of transformation, true communism will spring out of this transitional period of superstate superpower control of the globe.

If assumptions are weak or outright wrong, the entire program seems fragile or even disastrous, to humanity and its environment.

But that is NOT what #Marxism is about

#labor #capitalism #neoliberalism #anarchism #fascism #theory #communism #Revolution #socialdemocracy #libertarian #marxist #critical #materialism #dialectical #iww

#capitalism created #fascism to counter #labor organization and power, and to revert the transformation of the state into a #socialdemocracy - some call this process #neoliberalism