So many of the absolute worst accounts I suspend should *never* have gotten past signup ๐Ÿ˜ฎโ€๐Ÿ’จ

If your username contains a slur, hate-speech, or a well-known troll or dogwhistle reference, then it is a failure of your moderators and administration if that account ever sees the light of day.

If someone walks into your instance doing a Nazi salute and you don't slam the door in their face *hard* then you've let your community down.

I'm looking at you big open-registration instances.

#FediAdmin #FediMods

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Can you tell me any more info about social.vivaldi.net moderation issues? (it's fine if not - please ignore us if it is better for you)

I keep hearing rumours that are just allegations of bad moderation without any detail.

And I have seen vivaldi actually ban a user I reported before for dog whistles.

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It's even worse if their instance software already has the tools to catch this stuff

RE: pizza.enby.city/users/domo/staโ€ฆ


This is incredibly poor moderation, because you can set username rules to prevent this sort of person from even signing up, like, mastodon.social literally added the feature too. They have no excuse. For any other admins reading, they look like this in your moderation menu on the left, and then here's also what the rule editor looks like. You can even set the matching to "require approval" instead of outright blocking the username...

(requires mastodon nightly builds or mastodon 4.5.0)

#mastodon #moderation #instancemoderation #fediadmins

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Did vivaldi not then ban those users themselves when reports were forwarded?

I could understand a few users getting through cracks - vivaldi social accounts are part of the account system for their older email/forum too - but not banning those users, or users intentionally signing up just to be hateful would be concerning.

Not sure where I'd move this account to.

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I'm on vivaldi.net - don't block all of us!
Vivaldi's CEO Jon S. von Tetzchner ( social.vivaldi.net/@jon) often posts on Mastodon promoting Vivaldi.
Maybe message him with some examples and get him to moderate his instance.
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I really need to get off this instance. But it seems so prohibitively complicated? *wails in fediverse-illiterate*

Addendum:
Thanks to all who replied to this with offers of help. I'll delve into the options as soon as I have a couple of hours to READ ALL THE THINGS and click the necessary buttons. For now, life = overwhelm for me, so moving instances has to be low on the priority list. But I very much appreciate all of you for taking the time to reach out! โ˜บ๏ธโœŒ๏ธ๐Ÿค˜๐Ÿ––

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the problem is that there are like 5 moderators taking care of these huge places. if i could pay money to have more moderators (good and qualified ones) come in and help moderate all the stuff we get over here in flagship-land, i ABSOLUTELY would. @MastodonEngineering you should consider setting up something like this and/or diverting more funds from your managed hosting program towards moderation
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The three instances you listed are well known for harassment, chaos and general skulduggery across the Fediverse community. The entire 2024 was open season to hunt the online Mastodon Jewish community.
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Oblomov

@shironeko

I was going to comment about that, but from pizza.enby.city/users/domo/staโ€ฆ it would seem you can put the flagged user name choices under moderation so a human can check if it's an actual fash/troll or just an unfortunate Scunthorpe.


This is incredibly poor moderation, because you can set username rules to prevent this sort of person from even signing up, like, mastodon.social literally added the feature too. They have no excuse. For any other admins reading, they look like this in your moderation menu on the left, and then here's also what the rule editor looks like. You can even set the matching to "require approval" instead of outright blocking the username...

(requires mastodon nightly builds or mastodon 4.5.0)

#mastodon #moderation #instancemoderation #fediadmins

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

I wonder if it would be possible to set things up so that it won't let you make an account with any words in a blacklist, and if anyone on an instance uses said any such word, the moderators are notified with the context and everything so they can decide whether to ban.
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See, that's the point where I'm super happy about sitting on my tiny (effectively single-user) instance.

I only ever see posts from people I follow or stuff those people interact with (boosts, replies) which means that 99% of the weirdos don't even reach my feed.

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@assimilateborg @courtcan @FediTips

Currently, old posts will remain on the old instance, but followers and follows will move. Thereโ€™s a draft standard for moving the posts as well, which would notify every instance that has fetched the posts with the new home. I think the expectation is that the old instance would forward to the new one for anything that just saved the URL, but itโ€™s a while since I read the spec.

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miraculous enbybug

@__h4 @Lana

what if there is only a single Nazi that everyone considers the court jester with his funny views on 'human races'?


  1. The person should be told to stop saying nazi shit and acting like a nazi if they want to stay. You canโ€™t denazify someone if you tolerate the nazi stuff
  2. If other people laugh at the nazi stuff, then I have a bad newsโ€ฆ either theyโ€™re nazis or permeable to nazi stuff

Talking about โ€žtrollingโ€œ, as if jokes and humor werenโ€™t a mode of communication and propaganda frequently used by nazis to make their ideas acceptableโ€ฆ

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Noortje Van Leeuwen

@__h4 @Lana
His views are only "funny"* when they don't include you.

And if you find the nazi's views "funny"*
Then you just proved the point, that it's a nazi instance, and you might be a nazi too.

*nazi views are never funny, (white) supremacy is never funny, and supporting the death of millions of innocent people is never funny...

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i was on mastodon.social before.

Followers of some asshat tried to Doxx me, he celebrated them doing so, marveled in it even.
Want me to send revealing pics to "proof" myself.

I reported it, nothing happend to him, but my account got hidden, and mods told me i had to stop harrasing the guy (which i wasnt) because he "was one of the good ones"

And when i migrated he celebrated "chasing me off" and called for his followers to "keep up the good work" they did with me...

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this was the push I needed to leave @Vivaldi once and for all. I use their browser, email and sometimes their mastodon instance. No more. If they insist on letting Nazis in, then to hell with them. I will switch everything over to another browser, email service and just stick to my own instance. Might also #fediblock their instance.
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Noortje Van Leeuwen

@irrlicht @Lana @melunaka thats a very good saying.

My partner always says "im joking" is not true...
Its a litmus test.

Shout something extreme like
"Star trek Generations is the best star trek movie ever made, the second best is star trek nemesis"

Look at people's reaction, and then "no, im joking"

Means you did the thing little kids do, see how far you can go until your parents tell you to stop.
And the more you do that the furter you can go...

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I just read one of the moderatorโ€™s post on this and it makes sense to me. I agree there should be a way to prevent folks from signing up with bad names but it sounds like it was dealt with immediately and the Nazi was punched. mas.to/@markwyner/115489852379โ€ฆ


Moderation. Itโ€™s a roller coaster.

Today, a (literal) nazi opened an account and began harassing people. We received ~80 reports within minutes. That may be a record.

We suspended the account, of course. But not before a lot of people yelled at us. For the record, this is not preventable when registration is open. We can only react. So be nice.

My gratitude and love for the person behind this report. It made me chuckle. ๐Ÿซถ๐Ÿป

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#Moderation #Mastodon #MasTo #BeKind #PunchANazi #FediAdmin

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I donโ€™t think itโ€™s as easy as you believe. Moderating big servers is difficult.
mas.to/@markwyner/115489852379โ€ฆ


Moderation. Itโ€™s a roller coaster.

Today, a (literal) nazi opened an account and began harassing people. We received ~80 reports within minutes. That may be a record.

We suspended the account, of course. But not before a lot of people yelled at us. For the record, this is not preventable when registration is open. We can only react. So be nice.

My gratitude and love for the person behind this report. It made me chuckle. ๐Ÿซถ๐Ÿป

๐Ÿงต 1/4

#Moderation #Mastodon #MasTo #BeKind #PunchANazi #FediAdmin

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

True, but moderators are human. If the vast majority of Nazis get told to fuck off before they ever get a chance to open their account, but one or two occasionally slip through the net and then are promptly told to fuck off once the mistake has been realised, I'm not sure I can ask for much more than that.
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@Noortjevee @melunaka @__h4 @Lana
It's a tried and true bullying response to say, "I'm just kidding. Can't you take a joke?"

Because it's never their problem in their mind. It's someone else's failure in some capacity. They lack empathy.

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@MyWoolyMastadon @melunaka @__h4 @Lana she says (i asked her before going to work)

(Slightly paraphrased)
"Its a blame shift, and very narcissistic, it keeps their selfimage as being a "good person" they lay the blame on their targets, they weren't being mean... their victims just can't take a joke.

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@sashin

I don't think the pattern-matching block helps. If you can't sign up with the name you want, you'll just permute it until you can. And moderated registration probably puts off more people who are casually interested in the Fediverse than people who are willing to devote effort to harassment.

Ideally, you want a kind of soft block, where people who trigger that kind of pattern match get an account and can post, but they don't show up in live feeds, their replies to other posts are hidden / flagged / referred to moderators / something, and they can't DM people. They can shout into the void for a bit and then be banned. Or just left to scream into the void in a mode where you're effectively blocked by everyone.

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Fedi.Tips

@Stinkie @assimilateborg @courtcan

If you follow the steps in the transfer guide at fedi.tips/transferring-your-maโ€ฆ all your followers and follows will automatically move over to your new account.

Your old posts would stay on the old server, they wouldn't disappear, but they would redirect people to your new account. Anyone seeing your old posts would know you had moved and know where to find you.

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@assimilateborg @courtcan @FediTips I spent a few hours over a few weeks trying to figure out how to cleanly migrate to another server. I almost made my own, but I'd probably have too much difficulty with federating. And it looks like my old account would just exist. Idk what would happen with the followers that interact with me. I'd need to ask each one to re-follow I guess.
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Fedi.Tips

I don't think the joinmastodon guide for transfers is clear enough or comprehensive enough, it leaves out some important steps.

I've done my own transfer guide at fedi.tips/transferring-your-maโ€ฆ which has a lot of steps, but each step is hopefully easy to do ๐Ÿ™‚ It also means you can transfer everything possible in one set of steps.

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Lethe

@__h4 @Lana If in the year 2025 you still believe that you can talk nazis out of being nazis, I have bad news for you.
Nazis don't change their mind because you let them inside your community. The opposite happens - they poison the community. That's how you get a nazi bar.

Banning nazis is not an extreme stance. It's the only reasonable one.

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Nuclear Oatmeal

@jernej__s @Noortjevee @irrlicht @Lana @melunaka

Yep. I think that's what made me do the callout. That or a "demonrat" reference.

I just got casually hooked on it watching people bemoan their lost pets that they left outside when there are wild animals in my part of California that can find a pet to be a tasty snack. Sort of like that funny (that aren't really that funny) videos show.

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EQ

@commitcompanion
This sounds like a growth-problem if you tell people to just sign up, any server is fine. And when the people has been on fedi for a while they realize their whole instance is blocked by everyone else. How am I as a going-to-be user supposed to know everyone hates the server I randomly chose and blocks it?
in reply to Matilda Love

Depends how huge the userbase is on that instance is. Instance like Mastodon.social is so big that if you try to defederate it, you will lose lot of followers as well as account you follow.

At least for me, I have accounts I follow that are from that instance and the instance I'm on just "limit" it as it just too big to really do anything about it. Otherwise, I can imagine it just defederating it if it wasn't as big

@alice@lgbtqia.space

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@rainynight65 @MyWoolyMastadon @Noortjevee @melunaka @__h4 @Lana that's exactly what I explained to 7yo when they were annoyed theymade their 4yo sibling mad with a joke.
Well...maybe not exactly. I didn't say dick. Also, it was in french!
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@mook
Sadly, implementing a filter is impossible*: github.com/mastodon/mastodon/iโ€ฆ

* was not thought up by somebody on the core dev team

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