So many of the absolute worst accounts I suspend should *never* have gotten past signup ๐ฎโ๐จ
If your username contains a slur, hate-speech, or a well-known troll or dogwhistle reference, then it is a failure of your moderators and administration if that account ever sees the light of day.
If someone walks into your instance doing a Nazi salute and you don't slam the door in their face *hard* then you've let your community down.
I'm looking at you big open-registration instances.
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Can you tell me any more info about social.vivaldi.net moderation issues? (it's fine if not - please ignore us if it is better for you)
I keep hearing rumours that are just allegations of bad moderation without any detail.
And I have seen vivaldi actually ban a user I reported before for dog whistles.
LiquidParasyte
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •It's even worse if their instance software already has the tools to catch this stuff
RE: pizza.enby.city/users/domo/staโฆ
Domo ๐ฆ
2025-10-06 18:42:44
Olivia Vespera
in reply to LiquidParasyte • • •NexaLilly ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
Unknown parent • • •Did vivaldi not then ban those users themselves when reports were forwarded?
I could understand a few users getting through cracks - vivaldi social accounts are part of the account system for their older email/forum too - but not banning those users, or users intentionally signing up just to be hateful would be concerning.
Not sure where I'd move this account to.
shironeko
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Noortje Van Leeuwen
in reply to shironeko • • •NexaLilly ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to Noortje Van Leeuwen • • •Noortje Van Leeuwen
in reply to NexaLilly ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ • • •@NexaLilly
Oh, i see,
I did notice the word in scunthorpe, just thought maybe it was something else
Jernej Simoncฬiฤ ๏ฟฝ
in reply to Noortje Van Leeuwen • • •Noortje Van Leeuwen
in reply to Jernej Simoncฬiฤ ๏ฟฝ • • •Jernej Simoncฬiฤ ๏ฟฝ
in reply to Noortje Van Leeuwen • • •The Clbuttic Mistake
The Daily WTFNexaLilly ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to Noortje Van Leeuwen • • •NexaLilly ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
Unknown parent • • •Thank you for sharing a few more details with me.
It is sad damage cannot be avoided or prevented entirely.
the unbeliever
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Vivaldi's CEO Jon S. von Tetzchner ( social.vivaldi.net/@jon) often posts on Mastodon promoting Vivaldi.
Maybe message him with some examples and get him to moderate his instance.
Court Cantrell does not comply
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •I really need to get off this instance. But it seems so prohibitively complicated? *wails in fediverse-illiterate*
Addendum:
Thanks to all who replied to this with offers of help. I'll delve into the options as soon as I have a couple of hours to READ ALL THE THINGS and click the necessary buttons. For now, life = overwhelm for me, so moving instances has to be low on the priority list. But I very much appreciate all of you for taking the time to reach out! โบ๏ธโ๏ธ๐ค๐
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Damon
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Unknown parent • • •@shironeko
I was going to comment about that, but from pizza.enby.city/users/domo/staโฆ it would seem you can put the flagged user name choices under moderation so a human can check if it's an actual fash/troll or just an unfortunate Scunthorpe.
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2025-10-06 18:42:44
Sashin
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Tristan
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Mudlark
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •DFYX
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •See, that's the point where I'm super happy about sitting on my tiny (effectively single-user) instance.
I only ever see posts from people I follow or stuff those people interact with (boosts, replies) which means that 99% of the weirdos don't even reach my feed.
Sashin
Unknown parent • • •that's good to know!
Maybe I should look into temporarily creating an instance just to be familiar with what it's like from that end.
Noortje Van Leeuwen
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •i play persona 5 phantom x,
It happens there as well sadly, with no way of reporting the user names...
Noortje Van Leeuwen
Unknown parent • • •@__h4 @Lana its not...
Its the truth, its how that works, its the nazi bar story.
Because it is never just one...
If you allow one, you allow all...
This is not a "no homers" situation where one Homer is ok, but 2 isnt....
Furbland's Very Cool Mastodonโข
Unknown parent • • •Daniรซl Franke
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Yeah that ainmosni instance allowing the handle โainmosniโโฆ What an embarrassmentโฆ
All joking aside, I wish banning nazis was the default everywhere
Noortje Van Leeuwen
Unknown parent • • •@melunaka @__h4 @Lana exactly this...
Its what that abhorent streamer shit kid does (wont name him)
Say the most abhorent shit, and then go "i'm kidding"
Like its some get out of consequences free card.
David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
Unknown parent • • •@assimilateborg @courtcan @FediTips
Currently, old posts will remain on the old instance, but followers and follows will move. Thereโs a draft standard for moving the posts as well, which would notify every instance that has fetched the posts with the new home. I think the expectation is that the old instance would forward to the new one for anything that just saved the URL, but itโs a while since I read the spec.
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Assimilateborg
Unknown parent • • •miraculous enbybug
Unknown parent • • •@__h4 @Lana
Talking about โtrollingโ, as if jokes and humor werenโt a mode of communication and propaganda frequently used by nazis to make their ideas acceptableโฆ
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Noortje Van Leeuwen
Unknown parent • • •@__h4 @Lana
His views are only "funny"* when they don't include you.
And if you find the nazi's views "funny"*
Then you just proved the point, that it's a nazi instance, and you might be a nazi too.
*nazi views are never funny, (white) supremacy is never funny, and supporting the death of millions of innocent people is never funny...
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Noortje Van Leeuwen
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •i was on mastodon.social before.
Followers of some asshat tried to Doxx me, he celebrated them doing so, marveled in it even.
Want me to send revealing pics to "proof" myself.
I reported it, nothing happend to him, but my account got hidden, and mods told me i had to stop harrasing the guy (which i wasnt) because he "was one of the good ones"
And when i migrated he celebrated "chasing me off" and called for his followers to "keep up the good work" they did with me...
webhat
in reply to Noortje Van Leeuwen • • •Noortje Van Leeuwen
in reply to webhat • • •Bishop Greer Godsey
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •2something likes this.
Lux
in reply to Bishop Greer Godsey • • •NexaLilly ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to Bishop Greer Godsey • • •@bishop @Vivaldi They really don't insist on letting them in.
I've seen them ban users for bigotry before.
Noortje Van Leeuwen
Unknown parent • • •@irrlicht @Lana @melunaka thats a very good saying.
My partner always says "im joking" is not true...
Its a litmus test.
Shout something extreme like
"Star trek Generations is the best star trek movie ever made, the second best is star trek nemesis"
Look at people's reaction, and then "no, im joking"
Means you did the thing little kids do, see how far you can go until your parents tell you to stop.
And the more you do that the furter you can go...
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Willow ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐ด๐ต๐ธ
in reply to Noortje Van Leeuwen • • •Noortje Van Leeuwen
in reply to Willow ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐ด๐ต๐ธ • • •@whangdoodler @__h4 @Lana @melunaka
Exactly what im saying.
Did that not come across or are you reinforcing my stance?
Jernej Simoncฬiฤ ๏ฟฝ
in reply to Noortje Van Leeuwen • • •Noortje Van Leeuwen
in reply to Jernej Simoncฬiฤ ๏ฟฝ • • •Thats a great way of putting it.
Olivia Vespera
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •I just read one of the moderatorโs post on this and it makes sense to me. I agree there should be a way to prevent folks from signing up with bad names but it sounds like it was dealt with immediately and the Nazi was punched. mas.to/@markwyner/115489852379โฆ
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Unknown parent • • •kazรฉ
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •I donโt think itโs as easy as you believe. Moderating big servers is difficult.
mas.to/@markwyner/115489852379โฆ
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George B
in reply to kazรฉ • • •That's one of the reasons why you have accounts like @FediTips suggesting that people choose smaller instances where the ratio of moderators to users is far better
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Fedi.Tips
in reply to George B • • •Yeah, mastodon.social is a terrible option due to its overwhelming size: fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-ideโฆ
Mastodon.social is not a good way to join Mastodon. If youโre already on it, you might want to move your account to a different Mastodon server. | Fedi.Tips โ An Unofficial Guide to Mastodon and the Fediverse
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Amber
in reply to kazรฉ • • •Willow ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐ด๐ต๐ธ
in reply to Noortje Van Leeuwen • • •Adam Jacobs ๐บ๐ฆ
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Noortje Van Leeuwen
in reply to Willow ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐ด๐ต๐ธ • • •Stuck Here
in reply to Noortje Van Leeuwen • • •@Noortjevee @melunaka @__h4 @Lana
It's a tried and true bullying response to say, "I'm just kidding. Can't you take a joke?"
Because it's never their problem in their mind. It's someone else's failure in some capacity. They lack empathy.
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Noortje Van Leeuwen
Unknown parent • • •@Uair @__h4 @Lana thats why i typed "Funny"
Also your pfp...thats an old one ๐
Noortje Van Leeuwen
in reply to Stuck Here • • •@MyWoolyMastadon @melunaka @__h4 @Lana my partner (shes ny fiancรฉ but it feels still odd to call her that) is a therapist/councilor.
And she agrees with the assesment.
Noortje Van Leeuwen
Unknown parent • • •Perplexed by Joy
Unknown parent • • •Noortje Van Leeuwen
in reply to Noortje Van Leeuwen • • •@MyWoolyMastadon @melunaka @__h4 @Lana she says (i asked her before going to work)
(Slightly paraphrased)
"Its a blame shift, and very narcissistic, it keeps their selfimage as being a "good person" they lay the blame on their targets, they weren't being mean... their victims just can't take a joke.
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David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
Unknown parent • • •@sashin
I don't think the pattern-matching block helps. If you can't sign up with the name you want, you'll just permute it until you can. And moderated registration probably puts off more people who are casually interested in the Fediverse than people who are willing to devote effort to harassment.
Ideally, you want a kind of soft block, where people who trigger that kind of pattern match get an account and can post, but they don't show up in live feeds, their replies to other posts are hidden / flagged / referred to moderators / something, and they can't DM people. They can shout into the void for a bit and then be banned. Or just left to scream into the void in a mode where you're effectively blocked by everyone.
Laura
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •ahills
in reply to Laura • • •Fedi.Tips
Unknown parent • • •@Stinkie @assimilateborg @courtcan
If you follow the steps in the transfer guide at fedi.tips/transferring-your-maโฆ all your followers and follows will automatically move over to your new account.
Your old posts would stay on the old server, they wouldn't disappear, but they would redirect people to your new account. Anyone seeing your old posts would know you had moved and know where to find you.
Transferring your Mastodon account to another server | Fedi.Tips โ An Unofficial Guide to Mastodon and the Fediverse
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Stinkie McPhee
in reply to Assimilateborg • • •Fedi.Tips
Unknown parent • • •I don't think the joinmastodon guide for transfers is clear enough or comprehensive enough, it leaves out some important steps.
I've done my own transfer guide at fedi.tips/transferring-your-maโฆ which has a lot of steps, but each step is hopefully easy to do ๐ It also means you can transfer everything possible in one set of steps.
Transferring your Mastodon account to another server | Fedi.Tips โ An Unofficial Guide to Mastodon and the Fediverse
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Lethe
Unknown parent • • •@__h4 @Lana If in the year 2025 you still believe that you can talk nazis out of being nazis, I have bad news for you.
Nazis don't change their mind because you let them inside your community. The opposite happens - they poison the community. That's how you get a nazi bar.
Banning nazis is not an extreme stance. It's the only reasonable one.
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Ariaflame
Unknown parent • • •Oblomov
Unknown parent • • •shironeko
in reply to Oblomov • • •Androcat
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Sensitive content
Hm.
When I was arguing with some awful corporate dems at some point, I learned that mas dot to has a silence on me ๐
I also learned that among those people mas dot to has a reputation for "good moderation".
Tinman
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Antonia Epona ๐๐๐
in reply to Tinman • •@Tinman
Think along the lines of "biological woman" or "FiLia" or using the womens suffrage colours ...
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •jb :neofox_laptop:
in reply to Gabbo the wafrn dev guy • • •J M Berntson
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Dave Nathanson
in reply to Fedi.Tips • • •@FediTips @courtcan I read that as the John Mastodon guide.
Anyway, I previously followed the fedi.tips guide for transferring an account and it worked really well. Thanks!
Nuclear Oatmeal
in reply to Jernej Simoncฬiฤ ๏ฟฝ • • •I called out someone with that, and all of a sudden got kicked out of that NextDoor site.
Noortje Van Leeuwen
Unknown parent • • •@NuclearOatmeal @jernej__s @irrlicht @Lana @melunaka
all i see on nextdoor here is missing pets and people looking for house aides
Nuclear Oatmeal
Unknown parent • • •@jernej__s @Noortjevee @irrlicht @Lana @melunaka
Yep. I think that's what made me do the callout. That or a "demonrat" reference.
I just got casually hooked on it watching people bemoan their lost pets that they left outside when there are wild animals in my part of California that can find a pet to be a tasty snack. Sort of like that funny (that aren't really that funny) videos show.
EQ
Unknown parent • • •This sounds like a growth-problem if you tell people to just sign up, any server is fine. And when the people has been on fedi for a while they realize their whole instance is blocked by everyone else. How am I as a going-to-be user supposed to know everyone hates the server I randomly chose and blocks it?
Matilda Love
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Matthew
in reply to Matilda Love • • •Depends how huge the userbase is on that instance is. Instance like Mastodon.social is so big that if you try to defederate it, you will lose lot of followers as well as account you follow.
At least for me, I have accounts I follow that are from that instance and the instance I'm on just "limit" it as it just too big to really do anything about it. Otherwise, I can imagine it just defederating it if it wasn't as big
@alice@lgbtqia.space
Jimmy
Unknown parent • • •rainynight65
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Jonathan Lamothe
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •ahills
Unknown parent • • •Noortje Van Leeuwen
Unknown parent • • •Yaiaou
in reply to rainynight65 • • •Well...maybe not exactly. I didn't say dick. Also, it was in french!
Noortje Van Leeuwen
Unknown parent • • •@Yaiaou it was intended.
Glad you caught it
Noortje Van Leeuwen
Unknown parent • • •Matilda Love
in reply to Fedi.Tips • • •Fedi.Tips
in reply to Matilda Love • • •@matildalove
Woo, brilliant to hear! ๐ฅณ Thanks for that!
Noortje Van Leeuwen
Unknown parent • • •thanks...
Sadly im used to it...
I blocked him, but suspect some of his "cult" (of personality) might still be following me here...
Not that i have delusions of grandure or something.
Im just a "stupid girl" ( by the band garbage) from Leiden.
very normal person
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Charles โญ is a Green
in reply to very normal person • • •@mook
Sadly, implementing a filter is impossible*: github.com/mastodon/mastodon/iโฆ
* was not thought up by somebody on the core dev team
Regex filter to trigger human review of new accounts ยท Issue #36363 ยท mastodon/mastodon
celesteh (GitHub)very normal person
in reply to Charles โญ is a Green • • •very normal person
in reply to very normal person • • •Charles โญ is a Green
in reply to very normal person • • •@mook
Well, I asked them to do it and they said no, so they're _not_ implementing this very basic feature.
Unless they changed their mind someplace else?
Noortje Van Leeuwen
Unknown parent • • •@irrlicht @Lana @melunaka @jernej__s @zog moops...
Isnt that from the bubble boy episode of seinfield?
Billy Smith
Unknown parent • • •@alexadeswift @culper
This type of "coded language" has always been an aspect of the middle-class racism in the UK.
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Davey
Unknown parent • • •@NexaLilly @bishop @Vivaldi
I do often find myself thinking about the Vivaldi server "jesus christ folks, your name is on this server, you need to keep it tighter than that"
If it was me I'd be approved reg only with it.
Antonia Epona ๐๐๐
in reply to Billy Smith • •@Billy Smith
Indeed it has. It is often there in very carefully coded, "respectable", language.
@Tinman @๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ)
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Ben Pettis
Unknown parent • • •@__h4 @Lana
@objectionodon
Objectionodon
in reply to Ben Pettis • • •OBJECTION!
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@Lana @__h4 @alice
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Unknown parent • • •Sensitive content