The #FDroid website has a new banner on top to remind visitors that #Google did not change course and #Android will be locked-down in under 200 days.

If you care about the freedom to control your devices and care about the privacy of you data, please contact your representative and make your voice heard.

keepandroidopen.org/ (thanks @marcprux) has the resources to guide you.

We know users will rarely visit the site so the Client(s) will get a banner soon too.

Thank you for your support!

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Die Website "FDroid" hat ein neues Banner, um die Besucher daran zu erinnern, dass "Google den Kurs nicht geändert hat" und "Android" in weniger als 200 Tagen gesperrt wird.

Datenschutz- und Regulierungsbehörden sind ernsthaft besorgt über Monopole und die zunehmende Machtkonzentration im Technologiesektor – und sie möchten die Stimmen der Betroffenen hören.

Für weitere Infos: keepandroidopen.org/de/

f-droid.org/de/

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i don't like to downplay f-droid efforts, or spread pessimism.

still, my unfortunate opinion. android starts to be lost cause, too much gooish google in it, like there is apple control in apple devices.

it is not just closed google components, it is android ecosystem and api's in general. alphabet inc controls android too much.

of course, delaying destruction of open android is still beneficial for short term.

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And while the banner correctly states F-Droid being under threat: it's not just F-Droid, it's the free Android world being under threat. In its entirety. So the same applies to IzzyOnDroid – but also to Obtainium & Co. And if you think you could still use Aurora to access the PlayStore, think again: how would you install Aurora in the first place?

This is the empire striking. The alleged "security" is just a way to circumvent the requirement to open for alternative stores.

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I did use the means on keepandroidopen.org to reach out. However, I am not convinced it will change the course Alphabet/Google set for Android.
Therefore I preordered the new #jollaphone with Sailfish OS and AndroidAppSupport.
Maybe it is time for Linux to shine on mobile as well. May it be #sailfishos, #postmarketos, #ubuntutouch or another Linux mobile OS. And Android emulators like #WayDroid .
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@Alonely0 @cy8aer Older apps were added when reproducibility wasn't achievable. For this reason today only about 22% of apps that we host are signed by their developer. This number will increase with time as we push for reproducibility at inclusion time. Also, switching from one signer to another is an annoying process that users need to take manually, for security reasons.
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No one *wanted* to see what Google was up to. I.e. autoredirects in G Maps, Youtube playback failures were ramped up to unusability. This is no surprise.

Who actually didn‘t see that was already living inside G-defined boundaries, i.E. having a G account, using Youtube via G-controlled browser, using Maps via G app, …

Remains a mystery to me why people use a OS/browser made by the major advertising predator, known mainly for working against humans.

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What am I supposed to say they're doing that's illegal when I complain?

"Please exercise powers you don't have to do a thing I know you fully support and instead listen to me, who you don't give two fucks about. I don't even have a dollar to bribe you with."

No, seriously. What do I put in this form? I haven't a clue. There's no point if I can't even attempt to be convincing and I don't know one single thing that would convince anyone of anything here.

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That's actually seriously unhelpful. Cool though. I'll just focus on helping anyone that wants install lineage or something. Screaming directly into a trash can is pointless anyway but if there was actually something I could say that would like suggest a step to take or law that's being broken or something I might have bothered. Clearly there's just bitching about how shit's being ruined and they don't give a shit.
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It just sends me to a place where I can report an antitrust claim. Like say google is breaking the law and needs to be investigated.

I don't know what I'd tell them they're doing wrong nor what steps should be taken. I'm especially baffled because we already let Apple do this shit.

I can't just complain about stuff on a crime reporting form. I need to be reporting something.

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I agree. So – as I said – waiting for politics may be much as waiting for godot.
I would like to have an operating system for my current – and any other – smartphone to be easy installed via otg stick. Like any other computer. A lot of this is already in place. And frankly spoken I don’t think that 95% of the current users care if they can use F-Droid or not. I like F-Droid. But sadly it is elitist currently and not mainstream.
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@alandvalonline
I also wish for this. Linux drivers for legacy phone hardware, a Chromebook level of simplicity for installing or running variant UX's, maybe from a removable card or USB stick... A secure OS like Tails... Siloed apps... I don't want corporate access to any data.
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F-Droid

@Alonely0 @tehstu @cy8aer Note that Obtainium, Aurora and other app stores will have the same issues on 99.9999% of devices if Google goes ahead. Regarding "secure", do read f-droid.org/docs/Inclusion_How… too.

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I still have problems to understand what happens with apps like those of fossify, or DuckDuckGo for example, that i downloaded and maintain over F-Droid, but that are also available on Playstore and thus should be under the "verified" category.

These should still work but not the F-Droid Store App itself so i need to update via a website manually???

I am not an IT person. I genuelly have problems understanding this, despite having read the infos i found so far.

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@v_d_richards If signed by the developer (reproducible) and the developer has submitted to the Google pressure, the app will work fine.

If signed by F-Droid, we think they will not work at all, not even our Client, so we will not be able to provide updates.

For those apps already on Play you will submit to Google's rules and use Play, right?

For those not on Play... good luck tracking the APK, if the developer bowed down.

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I hated Google before, but do more every day.

I had hoped that if Apps and their developers took it on them to do the verification shit, loading and maintaining at least such apps from other places than PlayStore would be possible in Android.

The users are trapped:
Banking Apps and some others don' t work with Custom Roms.
Open Source from free places will no longer work on G-Android.

The only solution is havingntwo devices which is expensive af.

I.hate.Google.so.much.

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> As you may be aware, the Digital Markets Act (‘DMA’) obliges gatekeepers like Google to effectively allow the distribution of apps on their operating system through third party app stores or the web. At the same time, the DMA also permits Google to introduce strictly necessary and proportionate measures to ensure that third-party software apps or app stores do not endanger the integrity of the hardware or operating system or to enable end users to effectively protect security.
... 2/3
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its a good thing actually as the main thing it affects is intimate partner violence stalking and really low hanging fruit malware. you can literally still sideload, you just cant distribute apks anonymously. you can still modify a phone to remove the restriction, just not without the owner noticing, which is the actual point. this is completely out of touch with the reality of the android malware ecosystem, the harm it causes and why they are actually doing this.
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Google Play

Sensitive content

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Having to pay a company and send your government id to that company, who will absolutely turn that data over to the government, is not an acceptable way to develop software.

Especially as that government is actively targeting dissenters and anyone who opposes them.

Especially as that company is making plans to go into the PC space, creating computers more locked down than Windows.

Especially as that company already has an 'anti-virus' activated on every Android licensed device by default that flags and prevents these malicious apps.

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It will also affect developers who choose to or have to stay anonymous to protect themselves from bad actors like rogue governments, and make it harder to develop software that authorities do not want made, such as emulation software, or adblocking tools and clients, or law enforcement raid watches.

Your personal exclusion from these restrictions does not solve the problem for developers, nor the majority of people who use Android who can't, don't know how to, or afford a degoogled device.

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If Google doesn't want to play nice, I suppose we have options...

Huawei HarmonyOS: harmonyos.com/en/
Samsung TizenOS: samsungtizenos.com/

Perhaps an Android exodus would scare Google enough to backtrack on its registration agenda.

#KeepAndroidOpen

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@F-Droid @Viktoria D. Richards/Uddelhexe

How does it affect degoogled Android? Will F-Droid Work on Custom ROMs? Will someone tech-savvy still be able to degoogle android and make F-Droid work? Will it be possible to flash an existing android with a custom ROM?

Or: Do I need to buy a phone with a custom ROM preinstalled? Will someone else fork AOSP and save it for custom ROMs?

So many questions. I hate the direction Google is heading to. Which Chance do have surveillance conscious people to get out of it?

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@elischeva
Linux Phones.

Posh OS is promising and so is Jolla.
They will need some time to be easy to use for the average people, but i hope for them to get a push through what google is doing.

Custom Roms will still be possible, but will be more slow with updates since they neednto reverse engeneer more from now on ( i think).

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Thank you for the information and links at keepandroidopen.org/

Got a relatively generic and neutral but friendly response.
I'm still unsure whether this contributes a drop to filling the ocean... 🤔

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@Doune The #Clippy is about buyers actually having ownership rights on things they buy (like e.g. #Android phone in this particular case) and fighting #enshittification and anti-consumer practices. See Right to Repair and consumerrights.wiki/w/Clippy_C… for details
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Do I understand correctly, that Google free Android is not directly affected by this policy?

But the majority of the userbase is affected, so an app developer would loose nearly the complete userbase and this would result in many developers giving up, destroying the app market.

And this in turn will affect Google free Android.

Please elaborate, if I misunderstood!

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@cy8aer iirc grapheneos disagrees with fdroid's signature model (where all apps are signed by fdroid and builds aren't really reproducible), among other things. However, I don't think this is the case here. You may ping them and ask if you want.
Here is some insight of you wanna go down the rabbit hole: discuss.grapheneos.org/d/7519-…
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@tehstu @cy8aer yeah, it's a technical discussion, sorry I assumed more than I should have (it's an xkcd 2501 situation, look it up lol). However, I have to say that relying on GitHub releases is not that bad of a deal with an app store like Obtainium, which streamlines app updates. It's actually a quite secure model since it comes as straight from the developer as it possibly can.
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@apicultor Everything we do is transparent and public, eg. floss.social/@fdroidorg/116086…


@Alonely0 @cy8aer Older apps were added when reproducibility wasn't achievable. For this reason today only about 22% of apps that we host are signed by their developer. This number will increase with time as we push for reproducibility at inclusion time. Also, switching from one signer to another is an annoying process that users need to take manually, for security reasons.

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@apicultor If you have questions why not drop by and ask directly? f-droid.org/about/#contact Posts from 2021 and half-truths on forums won't give you the information you need.

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At this point it would be crazy to develop any Free/Libre application for Android. Don't care what Google says tomorrow, we can NOT trust Big Tech. We need to be in control of our computing resources, both at software and hardware level.
PS: @EUCommission please take note.
#Google #Android #Freedom #GNU

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I'm already drifting away from android as an everything device. I'm so tired of Google enshitifying what they made and the need to be constantly online. My guess is that I'll have a phone that's just a phone in 5 years. All I need is chat apps like Signal, SMS, calling, and a basic web browser to look the occasional thing up. What I run could be modified android, but it won't be anything close to what Google would want me to run
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To: info@competitionbureau.gc.ca

I'm writing to register my deep concern with Google's intention to block users from installing software WE choose on devices we own from sources WE choose to trust.

developer.android.com/develope…

I'm fine with custom software installs being blocked by default, the security concerns are very real. I'm NOT fine with it being blocked entirely unless the developer registers with Google. There are all number of perfectly valid ways that can go wrong or simply not be practical. Bottom line: it's not their business, it's mine.

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@Alonely0 @cy8aer
I read some of those threads linked from the discuss link. This whole situation is exhausting. Multiple ways to get screwed over on multiple fronts. The layman has no chance to understand any of this.

And then, of course, you'll get a pithy "use ubuntu" reply to these threads, which is fine if you have one of the 12 old phones supported by it.

I don't know what the solution is, but if the answer is "get the apk from github and ensure you trust the dev" then essentially everyone is screwed.

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I hate to disagree here, but as an admin who deals with *many* users with phones in the wild, this is a *good* move by Google.
They're *NOT* stopping you from side-loading apps. They're doing the same thing banks have started doing when people try to withdraw cash -- verifying that you're not being coached or hacked and that you *REALLY* want to do what you said.
This is annoying to a very small subset of people, and *VERY* useful to a larger group.
#Android #security #scams