#PSA: posting photos and videos of your kids online ensures they'll never be able to meaningfully opt out of privacy invasion.
80% of children have an online presence by age two, with parents sharing an average of 1,500 images before their fifth birthday. โ2017, Northumbria University
By the age of 13, children have had an average of 1,300 photos and videos of themselves posted to social media by their parents. โ2018, UK Children's Commissioner
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •This is why spouse & I have never posted photos of our kid on non-private accounts, and we've kept photos on private accounts to a bare minimum. She's 13 now. When she was around 7 or 8, we explained "online" to her as best we could & started asking permission to post photos of her. Sometimes she said yes, sometimes no. We respected both.
Of course, even private accounts aren't really private. We know that now. But we didn't then. It's been a while since we last put her face online.
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •How does someone take 300 pictures of someone a year?
I don't think I've taken 30 pictures of myself in my entire adulthood...
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in reply to acm • • •@acm_redfox @rallias And babies change *very* fast, so there are frequently new things to show family members or close friends who are interested - milestones like new teeth, new mobility (rolling! crawling! walking! climbing!), hair or eye color changes, and development of new skills (talking! opening things!).
When my child was tiny, it felt like I every time I left for a lab meeting I would come back to something new.
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Pretty sure that older millenials are the last generation to have that sort of privacy.
I even lost that one with some dumbasses taking pictures of a party we attended, and dumped on Facebook. No choice about it. Found after the fact.
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •There are several recorded and verified cases of normal photos being incorrectly flagged as CSAM resulting in arrest and prosecution, only for the case to be dropped when this comes to light.
At which point the lives of these people are ruined, as no one will ever believe them even if the authorities themselves clear their name
So no ever post bathing/swimming etc. type photos. Don't even take the photo as there are proposals to do on device scans
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one of my friends sent me her oldest child's first dick pick.
Poor kid wasn't even hatched yet!
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • •Fuck that. If I ever get in the position of having kids, their photos or videos or whatever are staying private and not going anywhere near the web or a public stage in general, at least not until after they turn 18 and can make that decision for themselves.
Like, that stuff is supposed to be theirs and theirs alone to look back on, not for the public at large to gawk at or worse. Now, anything that notional kid posts for themselves after they turn 18 is completely their business, but nothing of them should ever go on a public stage while they're still a minor, there's a very, very good reason why release forms exist for class pictures and such at your kids' school, guys, you really should be using the same reasoning that professional shoots use for release forms, for your family pics.....
Also, people say kids' privacy is destroyed by being featured on social media, but I'd argue that erosion goes back to when AFV launched, as the whole premise of AFV is to basically send your family videos in to be laughed at on national TV, which I can't imagine how hu
... Show more...Fuck that. If I ever get in the position of having kids, their photos or videos or whatever are staying private and not going anywhere near the web or a public stage in general, at least not until after they turn 18 and can make that decision for themselves.
Like, that stuff is supposed to be theirs and theirs alone to look back on, not for the public at large to gawk at or worse. Now, anything that notional kid posts for themselves after they turn 18 is completely their business, but nothing of them should ever go on a public stage while they're still a minor, there's a very, very good reason why release forms exist for class pictures and such at your kids' school, guys, you really should be using the same reasoning that professional shoots use for release forms, for your family pics.....
Also, people say kids' privacy is destroyed by being featured on social media, but I'd argue that erosion goes back to when AFV launched, as the whole premise of AFV is to basically send your family videos in to be laughed at on national TV, which I can't imagine how humiliating that would've been for a kid growing up when their classmates would've inevitably seen them on AFV and made fun of them. Social media amplifies that premise by several orders of magnitude.
Like, kids' privacy has been getting eroded by their most humiliating moments getting featured on a public stage and laughed at en masse for 36 years (AFV launched in '89), that's really fucked up when you think about it. I'm probably the only one tracing the roots of the erosion of kids' privacy back that far, and this is probably an extreme take to a lot of people, but just think about it for a minute; Kids getting paraded on social media is a huge problem, right? AFV is the analog-era precursor to that.
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •I'm always concerned, even when I share photos of my cats. Luck is that my black one never comes good, too dark for details in amatorial pics. The red one is so similar to any other orange short haired blonde striped. The red's sister is too elusive to have many pictures.
Put that aside: all this space, all this freedom in communication, and no privacy. No ethics is giving us respect. Someone finds the way to sell us and our dearest, like football stickers.
There's a criminal intent.
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in reply to luca • •Like I added to my long post, there's a very good reason why release forms for class pics are a thing, one should be using the same reasoning for their family pics, that professional shoots like the aforementioned class pics use for release forms, and ideally no one should ever be putting their kids on a public stage while they're still minors and can't consent to it, period.
Don't put your kids' pics or vids online while they're still minors and can't consent to this shit guys, please. Let them make that decision for themselves after they turn 18 and can legally consent to doing so or not.
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •at one point, i came upon my ex's 16 yr old son filling out a web form with email, cell phone, and address. it was for an in-n-out coupon.
when i pointed out that they would bombard him with ads, sell his info to other folks who would do the same, his response was depressing but pretty accurate.
"every moment of my life since birth has been on facebook, the internet, etc. they a'ready have my name, email, and current cell phone. i can't prevent it, i can't get this back. but at least this way, i get a free burger."
this was 15 years ago. hopefully parents are thinking a bit more about sharing everything about their kids on the internet. it doesn't have to be this way.
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •There was a case recently of a teen girl successfully suing her own mother in Argentina, for sharing photos of the girl in various social networks *and* dating apps, including Tinder and Happen(?)
The judge ordered removal of any offending pictures from everywhere, and a restraining order to the mother to stop her from posting more pictures.
Here's an article in Diario Uno (in Spanish):
diariouno.com.ar/politica/una-โฆ
Una adolescente demandรณ a su madre por publicar imรกgenes suyas en Tinder y una jueza le dio la razรณn
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Unknown parent • •Can't ignoring release forms also hold a school district liable in some way should an incident ever lead to court?
Like, it's gonna get ugly should someone ever sue that school district for privacy violations.
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in reply to quaaludes to the afternoon of a fawn • • •@aisling I was always very very against being taken pictures of even before Trans:tm: and none of the adults ever understood why. “it’s just a photo” they always said
I was forced into being taken a picture of me in middle school for the whatever collage thing for graduating students (aka: everyone, because frade 1 to 9 is mandatory education in Taiwan and you legally cannot fail). I loudly protested against having my face in there. My mom complained with me, too. I went to every teacher I know, I went to the very people organising the collage, and they just wouldn’t let me have it. Someone literally said “you don’t have the rights to refuse”. I indeed do not, that doesn’t make you any less evil. I was particularly against it because that’s a public image of me that’s forever archived as long as my country still exists because it’s a public school.
Indeed, I was old enough to know that I had no legal rights to
... Show more...@aisling I was always very very against being taken pictures of even before Trans:tm: and none of the adults ever understood why. โitโs just a photoโ they always said
I was forced into being taken a picture of me in middle school for the whatever collage thing for graduating students (aka: everyone, because frade 1 to 9 is mandatory education in Taiwan and you legally cannot fail). I loudly protested against having my face in there. My mom complained with me, too. I went to every teacher I know, I went to the very people organising the collage, and they just wouldnโt let me have it. Someone literally said โyou donโt have the rights to refuseโ. I indeed do not, that doesnโt make you any less evil. I was particularly against it because thatโs a public image of me thatโs forever archived as long as my country still exists because itโs a public school.
Indeed, I was old enough to know that I had no legal rights to refuse because I wasnโt 16 yet.