#PSA: posting photos and videos of your kids online ensures they'll never be able to meaningfully opt out of privacy invasion.

80% of children have an online presence by age two, with parents sharing an average of 1,500 images before their fifth birthday. —2017, Northumbria University

By the age of 13, children have had an average of 1,300 photos and videos of themselves posted to social media by their parents. —2018, UK Children's Commissioner

#Privacy #DataPrivacy

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in reply to 🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴 (🌈🦄)

there is a dark humor to the hysteria around age verification and child safety on the internet when you realize the call is coming from inside the building. None of the parents who are so concerned about it are even remotely capable of acknowledging that maybe they are the problem.

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in reply to 🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴 (🌈🦄)

This is why spouse & I have never posted photos of our kid on non-private accounts, and we've kept photos on private accounts to a bare minimum. She's 13 now. When she was around 7 or 8, we explained "online" to her as best we could & started asking permission to post photos of her. Sometimes she said yes, sometimes no. We respected both.

Of course, even private accounts aren't really private. We know that now. But we didn't then. It's been a while since we last put her face online.

in reply to acm

@acm_redfox @rallias And babies change *very* fast, so there are frequently new things to show family members or close friends who are interested - milestones like new teeth, new mobility (rolling! crawling! walking! climbing!), hair or eye color changes, and development of new skills (talking! opening things!).

When my child was tiny, it felt like I every time I left for a lab meeting I would come back to something new.

in reply to 🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴 (🌈🦄)

Pretty sure that older millenials are the last generation to have that sort of privacy.

I even lost that one with some dumbasses taking pictures of a party we attended, and dumped on Facebook. No choice about it. Found after the fact.

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in reply to 🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴 (🌈🦄)

Mention of incorrectly flagged CSAM

There are several recorded and verified cases of normal photos being incorrectly flagged as CSAM resulting in arrest and prosecution, only for the case to be dropped when this comes to light.

At which point the lives of these people are ruined, as no one will ever believe them even if the authorities themselves clear their name

So no ever post bathing/swimming etc. type photos. Don't even take the photo as there are proposals to do on device scans

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in reply to 🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴 (🌈🦄)

When I used to be on Facebook, I knew that when a friend announced they were pregnant I would never see a photo of them again.

Once the baby was born, it was customary to change their profile photo to the baby and then proceed to post only pix of the baby.

This happened time and again. My friends disappeared and their babies took their place.

I "unfriended" a few people due to this. I connected with *them*, not their baby.

It's really sad to see people erase themselves.

in reply to 🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴 (🌈🦄)

We saw the potential danger early on, and didn't put any photos or videos of our child online, as a very deliberate choice. As he (he's starting his Trans journey, but so far still uses male pronouns) grew, we talked about the potential danger, the elimination of choice putting yourself out there too much entails. Now in high school, he gets school assignments like, "talk about your favourite photo of you online", and he's just, "no. it's not there, for good reason, and you shouldn't be encouraging it". He's a very smart young person.
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in reply to 🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴 (🌈🦄)

I'm always concerned, even when I share photos of my cats. Luck is that my black one never comes good, too dark for details in amatorial pics. The red one is so similar to any other orange short haired blonde striped. The red's sister is too elusive to have many pictures.

Put that aside: all this space, all this freedom in communication, and no privacy. No ethics is giving us respect. Someone finds the way to sell us and our dearest, like football stickers.
There's a criminal intent.

in reply to luca

Like I added to my long post, there's a very good reason why release forms for class pics are a thing, one should be using the same reasoning for their family pics, that professional shoots like the aforementioned class pics use for release forms, and ideally no one should ever be putting their kids on a public stage while they're still minors and can't consent to it, period.

Don't put your kids' pics or vids online while they're still minors and can't consent to this shit guys, please. Let them make that decision for themselves after they turn 18 and can legally consent to doing so or not.

in reply to 🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴 (🌈🦄)

Oh, and one more thing, if you really want to take family pics, guys, do not use your fucking phones for this shit because as someone else pointed out, even if you don't put said pics online, Google or Apple will still back that shit up to do who knows what with it, instead use a dedicated still cam that has no online functionality, eg. like a used 10+ year-old DSLR, so you can keep your pics stored locally on an external hard drive or something and keep them completely offline, or hell, even use something like an Instax if you wanna go fully analog with it and keep a physical album around.

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in reply to The Cyberwitch

Something tells me shit like this is one reason why people have been picking analog stuff back up, eg. like the Instax platform that to my knowledge is doing pretty damn well for itself, or even picking up old digital still cams, on top of actually being able to own their stuff, especially with Instax giving you a physical copy of your pics.
in reply to Gustavo

You can post your art online as you're generally not showing yourself in a drawing or painting or anything, but photos, and especially any that show your or anyone else's face are, or at least should be, a hell no, wildlife pics or weather pics notwithstanding as hopefully there will be no people in those as they're not the thing you're trying to shoot in that case.
in reply to 🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴 (🌈🦄)

at one point, i came upon my ex's 16 yr old son filling out a web form with email, cell phone, and address. it was for an in-n-out coupon.

when i pointed out that they would bombard him with ads, sell his info to other folks who would do the same, his response was depressing but pretty accurate.

"every moment of my life since birth has been on facebook, the internet, etc. they a'ready have my name, email, and current cell phone. i can't prevent it, i can't get this back. but at least this way, i get a free burger."

this was 15 years ago. hopefully parents are thinking a bit more about sharing everything about their kids on the internet. it doesn't have to be this way.

in reply to 🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴 (🌈🦄)

There was a case recently of a teen girl successfully suing her own mother in Argentina, for sharing photos of the girl in various social networks *and* dating apps, including Tinder and Happen(?)

The judge ordered removal of any offending pictures from everywhere, and a restraining order to the mother to stop her from posting more pictures.

Here's an article in Diario Uno (in Spanish):

diariouno.com.ar/politica/una-…

in reply to 🅰🅻🅸🅲🅴 (🌈🦄)

I have had many fights with our school district about this stuff. I have never signed the consent form regarding my children and digital media. Yet my kids still end up on websites and in newsletters. I understand the teachers and staff aren't doing this maliciously but they need to understand some people take this very seriously.