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What's to stop Musk, who's already tried meddling with German elections, from seizing Zelenskyy's, or any other European leader's X account, and posting something with dire geopolitical consequences? We're way past the point where it's wise for European leaders and institutions to rely on a presence on X—and other US platforms are not a good long-term solution either. More should follow the example of the @EUCommission and provide their updates directly, without middlemen, through the fediverse.

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

I think that if that happened, people would sort it out quite quickly, but I am also very happy to be on Mastodon in any case.
in reply to The Wellerman Sam

@samsonite
Sometimes "quickly" is too late.

Even five minute delay can easily collapse the stock market, for example.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

Indeed. One of the Fediverse's strengths is that, like ec.social-network.europa.eu/ any country or coalition could set up an official and hardened server that assures the public of a trusted source of information dissemination.

The time for this is now.

in reply to Michael Kohlman

@NoRomBasic
The European Commision that are the EU politicians who loves to go to a war (read send our childeren to their dead). In name working for peace but looking after minerals under the dead bodys. A corrupt collection of people busy with corruption and taxes everything for the good of big coperations.

A verry trustworthty thing if you loves corruption and war. There are worst things but that are not saints and more a lie than Santa Claus.

in reply to Michael Kohlman

@NoRomBasic Back in October 2023 I have advised the European Commission to do & coordinate this. And I have repeated this advice in 2024, January 2025 and February 2025.

They should have done it before the European elections, but the second/best time is yesterday. Momentum is growing. #LetsDoIt

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in reply to Michael Kohlman

@NoRomBasic
The possibility of own server is a strong point.

I'd also think the possibility of website integration of feed should be strongly pointed out. So people not having an account in the fediverse can simply read activities bundled on an institutions website, and if desired browse the profile in full as it can be set to public.

in reply to Christian

Technologically this is pretty easy to accomplish. For example, many (if not most) of the Fediverse-compatible server platforms allow for anonymous browsing of posts. So even now there is no real restriction for people that merely wish to read communications. Replicating those feeds onto a more “classic” website server instance is not that complicated from a coding or server admin standpoint.

So the capability to do that is already there.

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

The new paradigm is quality over quantity.

The trustworthy, not corrupted communication is key.

AI, algorithms, aggressive agents make a quality communication impossible.

The future belongs to the brave ones.

Go for Fediverse.

DO IT NOW.

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

There are also examples of him just stealing handles he wanted, so it's not unprecedented.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Not just in Europe... US state and local governments, and agencies like fire, police and other emergency management, should all be sending communications through publicly owned and accessible channels.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

"What's to stop Musk, who's already tried meddling with German elections, from seizing Zelenskyy's, or any other European leader's X account"

If Musk does that, it would only accelerate the currently rapid decline in usage and value of a server he paid $44 billion to gain control over.

in reply to elCelio 🇪🇺 🇺🇦

@elCelio Musk seems to be following a 'chaos capitalism' model similar to Trump's where the gains of a previous venture give leverage in the higher stakes next one, all the while previous stepping stones are destroyed and abandoned along with their debts.

Tesla car sales have collapsed in Europe as no-one wants to buy or be seen in a swasticar.

in reply to copsewood

@copsewood
Agree.
Let others deal with the mess they created, why moving on the next target.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Politicians who are unaffiliated with Musk need to get off Twitter/X immediately. Why would you allow him to control your voice ?

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

having all those social media CEOs at the inauguration proves this medium matters. the question is when everybody will start taking it seriously, including lots of people here. it's bigger than hanging out with only the people who agree with you. we have private groups for that. what we're doing here matters for civics and the only way to do that right is decentralized without corporate ads or algos. #SocialWeb
in reply to Eugen Rochko

People/Companies should at least post on multiple platforms.

If you are or know a decider on where to post for press statements, please consider posting on mastodon in addition to where you do now.

Not for your sake, but for ours. Early adopters might get some extra love though, so it might be worth for you as well 😛

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

Good Call!!! We are now so compromised by PIMP-putins TRAITOR TRASH tRUMP/rEPUBLIKUNTZ!!!
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Communication with Twitter is unsafe for many reasons.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

What stops Musk from cancelling Ukraine's ability to use Starlink?

Nothing. I expect that will be announced tomorrow at the latest.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

"¿Qué puede impedir que Musk, que ya ha intentado interferir en las elecciones alemanas, se apodere de la cuenta X de Zelensky o de cualquier otro líder europeo y publique algo con consecuencias geopolíticas nefastas? Ya hemos superado el punto en el que es sensato que los líderes e instituciones europeos dependan de una presencia en X, y otras plataformas estadounidenses tampoco son una buena solución a largo plazo. Más personas deberían seguir el ejemplo de @EUCommission y proporcionar sus actualizaciones directamente, sin intermediarios, a través del fediverso."

@Gargron @EUCommission

in reply to Eugen Rochko

I hate to put this out here because I would hate for somebody to see it and give anybody an idea but I’ve been worried for hours about the muskrat turning off Starlink in Ukraine.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Here in Canada, maybe our PM will post something about this concern on X...🙄
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@adventure_tense It's pretty clear now that X and Facebook have migrated into being tools of right wing propaganda. To be using them (as well as Threads), is to be willing to expose oneself to that toxicity and feel it won't harm one's self.

It will.

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

I think its safe to say US and EU interests no longer align and the EU would benefit controlling its own data and media because they've been pumping feeds with anti EU messaging for years by tweaking with algorithms
in reply to Eugen Rochko

If you still have an X account, you're not part of the solution.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Everyone needs to get the hell off Twitter. Even if you think Musk is on your side, he'll abandon you as soon as he thinks it's good for him. If you don't control your own social media presence, you're under someone's boot.

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

I agree. I cannot believe so many top European key people and leaders still post on a Nazi's platform. It's like the EU giving Russia weapons to attack Ukraine and greater Europe. It's quite unbelievable.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I never understood why democratic institutions or officials publish statements via a platform which is privately owned and in a foreign country instead of publishing a news release on a server they control.

I recommend to write/talk to our official again and again and remind them. For instance with the question: I saw xy statement from you on X, is it fake or can you confirm ?

Thanks @EUCommission for regaining control

in reply to Eugen Rochko

Thanks. But the handle? ec.social-network.europa.eu? WTF! I would like to have a European response to Meta and X. Think big. A @ europa.eu handle. Just imagine KajaKallas@europa.eu
in reply to Eugen Rochko

What you say is the reasonable, right thing to do. We all wish that'd happen. But, for reasons that escape my comprehension, they won't do it. And if they were gonna do it, they would have done before now.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Our Twitter Space Nazi on Ketamine is itching for this opportunity to meddle again. So restrict X during all elections

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

tpfkaTwitter is not my big fear from the goofy super-villain.

half of Ukraine *was* relying on the Musk monopoly #Starlink for a while, lets hope they found back-up systems.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

simply put, there needs to be a strong movement against this new American style fascism, which isn't so much different then Nazi style fascism. I just don't think we are quite there yet. Not enough people have been disinfeanchised by all of this, yet!
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Truth is, it doesn't matter who's at the helm. Whoever sits at the top are ultimately colored by their world view, and as long as power is centralized like X it will be manipulated.

We need decentralization. We need #ActivityPub, #Nostr or #ATProtocol, whatever it takes to move the web away from those centralized solutions.

Not saying these things are perfect, but at least they are better than X.

in reply to Kaito

@kaito02 Could you explain this? It's kind of hard for a "normie" to catch the finer nuances of such issues 😅 You can host your own server just like Mastodon, right?
in reply to Bloodaxe

@bloodaxe @kaito02

Here is a paper by Christine Lemmer-Webber that explains the differences of architecture between ActivityPub and ATProto.
My understanding (as a "normie") is that #Bluesky needs a very powerful central relay to have a God's eye on all others, so that messages (which are duplicated rather than being transmitted) are delivered to their recipient.
Hope this helps!

dustycloud.org/blog/how-decent…

in reply to Eugen Rochko

Seems time for a coordinated withdrawal / boycott by all people / organisations / countries who value freedom.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Perhaps Mastodon should not use a US Hosting Provider.

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in reply to Linux Is Best

@Linux what do you mean by mastodon, joinmastodon.com? mastodon.social? Mastodon as a whole of course is spread all over, IIRC some stats site said majority of the instances are located in europe.
in reply to ikuturso

@ikuturso I can’t imagine that @Linux was talking about the entire collective of servers running the Mastodon software. It would make sense that they would be referring only the ones that @Gargron controls.
in reply to Jamie Gaskins

@jamie @Linux I agree but that is why I asked for clarification because it is very hard to know what could be referred to as just "Mastodon" here.
in reply to ikuturso

@ikuturso @jamie mastodon.au/@Linux/11408605716…


Mastodon has been using a USA hosting service for years.

Do not believe be?

You can check yourself by entering their domain here whoishostingthis.com

#Mastodon #Fediverse #Fedi #ActivityPub


in reply to Linux Is Best

well, you still didn't say what services you meant but I see after checking that I asked about are what you meant. Here's actually an article on Fastly's site talking about how they provide free hosting: fastly.com/customers/mastodon

I will say this doesn't make what @Gargron pointed out moot since it is still the case that Mastodon is more than just the servers run by Mastodon GmbH and the European Comission probably does not host their instance in the USA. Ofc you didn't claim that.

@jamie

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

I would think if he did it would be an instant banning of all his companies and hold all funds

Hugz & xXx

in reply to Eugen Rochko

The European Commission is on Bluesky too: bsky.app/profile/ec.europa.eu, but hopefully they’ll be able to switch to their own PDS or one based in Europe one day…

#Bluesky #ATProtocol #Europe #EU

in reply to Eugen Rochko

Absolutely! Looking forward to when it's normal for governments and new organizations to have an official Mastodon instance that simply gets relayed to wherever needed.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Why to stop Musk or anyone in speaking?

Because nobody is skilled to answer him? Realy?

Free speech is the diverence between a freedom or tyrany. Are whe for a tyrany or for freedom?

Humanity know for ages, even since the beginning, misleading speaches. Whe have Sects, Kings, KGB, Mosad, CIA, USAID, NSA and a million other organisations with the most important purpose of misinformation. Freedom survived with al of them. But when speech is forbidden everyone dieds.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

Oh, i'm 90% positive he's using the entire twitter user data analytics on a rebooted Cambridge Analytica Ver. 2 to try and bend elections. He's got something shaking & baking his "project dojo" so bad it causes local blackouts regularly, and somehow I doubt with the types of LLM specialists he's got roped off on his 'special project' they're dinking with his cars visual recognition problems.
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

as someone who loves Musk, this really is the better way. Can't live one someone else's platform when communicating is that important.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

there’s a broader discussion to be made about why there are no social media companies from the EU, and the dominant platforms are all from the US. China at least has their own homegrown alternatives. Feels like the EU indirectly dug their own grave by making the business landscape so unfriendly towards social media businesses.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

your server is located in the United States.
when will be the time to leave?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

They will wait until they will have their profiles blocked, excluded or shadowbanned.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

What's to stop Musk from creating fake accounts for people not on X?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

we should seriously consider the concept of European social media platforms which would be administered by an independently elected body made up of representative states. The infrastructure and social reach already exists in the Eurovision platform via the EBU and could be subscription based or funded by state media.

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

That's probably for the public to decide. However, I think Elon Musk is becoming overly concerned with issues that don't contribute to US growth. He should focus on his role in the Department of Government Efficiency and avoid meddling in other countries' affairs.
in reply to Anthony Ebikeme

That's one way to describe fascism, but I don't think it's a very accurate way.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I imagine the almost immediate shutdown of X in Europe if this happened would prevent him but expecting behaviour based on some rational self interest has long gone out the window
in reply to Eugen Rochko

If posting on a social media platform has geopolitical consequences, it is the era of Idiocracy
in reply to Eugen Rochko

that's going to be the point where world politics will hopefully no longer be played out on social media....

On the other hand: there is an expression in German "don't wake sleeping dogs", meaning: don't give them ideas they have maybe not yet had. @EUCommission

in reply to Eugen Rochko

At that point we could expect the total collapse of the stocks of all US-based social networks and dire consequences everywhere but inside the US
in reply to Eugen Rochko

X should be canned, or at least an election blackout, after the german election interference. It is a threat to security and our democracy.
#TurnXoff

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

each world government would do well to run their own Mastodon instance with only officials being able to hold accounts, thereby ensuring credibility. As for their old accounts elsewhere; daily posts advising the account is now inactive (to prevent cyber squatters) with, where permitted, redirect links to the new official account