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Mozilla CEO made around 7 million USD last year, but hosting bills are pending. Now, they updated the ToS, and you can't watch p0rn, or your data will be sold, or they no longer care about the orignal mission, etc. Once again, we see C-suits lose their grip on reality. As long as they are getting paid in millions, software projects can go to /dev/null. It is like they want to ruin the project on purpose. There is no other explanation I can think of. Can you?
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Ahah bad timing for this 😂.
FYI, Sylvestre from Mozilla replied on HN:
"Please don't read too much into this ;) We moved from self-hosted Discourse to hosted Discourse. The transfer was initiated late from the Mozilla side (my bad) and the automatic system from Discourse kicked in." (news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4…)
@dannycolin Ai in itself is fine. Local LLM translation in Firefox is really good and I'd take it over Google Translate any time. If Mozilla is planning on adding local LLM summary of webpages, fine. If they train it on their own systems and not on user's I'm fine with it.
Firefox is the only browser that still gives us flexibility with about:config. Don't like the Labs panel? You can turn it off. Don't like this or that? You can turn it off. They just need to fix their communication.
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A custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom.librewolf.net
That is in all the other browsers and annoyingly difficult in FF - edge even has built in automation rules so you can for example open outlook in your own profile and admin portal in a separate profile, maintaining separation but allowing links to work.
@ketumbra @GoatsLive I did this in Firefox with private tabs. Is it even easier in Waterfox or other browsers??
For me part of it is that in my efforts to engage as little identifying usage information as possible with any one piece of software, I typicaly don't make full use of all available features, even ones that might be useful or convenient. I'm likely to dismiss something called "profiles" as an extraneous feature that would likely turn out to be siphoning data at astonishing rates LOL 😅

But the profiles should help you - distinct cookie jars and history to keep your work/personal/underworld lives separate ;)
@GoatsLive @itsmeholland Eso se puede hacer en Firefox, Librewolf, waterfox y otros derivados de Firefox con la extensión ”Multi-acount containers"
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@itsmeholland @rice @GoatsLive I do have keepass and is great, but I'm talking about not having to do that.
If I'm browsing shit and want to go into, let's say, check my mail, I don't want to put the credentials there.
I'm already securing the computer enough that you need physical access to it, but that's why it is important to me to have a secure browser that won't do shit with my data, just letting me doing daily stuff without a hassle.
@GoatsLive
I’m with you wrt looking for a solid fully functional #Firefox fork that “just works” 😉 with little or no tweaking. I also can’t imagine living without multi-account containers.
From the initial replies it sounds as if #LibreWolf or #WaterFox are good choices. Anyone want to offer pros cons or comparison of those?
@steve_zeke @GoatsLive Switched to LibreWolf for my daily driver over a year ago, minimal fuss and no regrets
Now FireFox feels like unusable adware in comparison
It's mediocre thinkers of the sort you see embedded in the bowels of every large enterprise elevated into the stewardship of something they don't understand.
They're the sort of people locked into the orthodoxy of what others are doing — not looking for the best, simplest, or easiest routes forward but rather the *safest* routes forward — the same ones everyone else is pursuing.
They squandered Mozilla's unique position and can't fathom why they're locked into this perpetual decline.
Greed and Trump.
As Trump is now in power, all these large corporations will feel empowered to be more pro money, pro selling data, pro fucking users data, pro I don't give a damn as I won't be investigated.
Browsers and search companies will ALWAYS find a way to sell data - openly or avertly. Cookies, now fingering, next will be fisting.
Think of it as "The precession of the perihelion of marketing." Leadership inexplicably is never where the (classic) theory says it's supposed to be...
@mozillaofficial and other social/capital hybrids making big wonky loops again and again in plain sight reveal something more general that's too low-level to be seen with the naked eye...
...That our theories of value, incentive, growth, and wealth need fundamental, alienating rewriting. That's happening, though we forget today's store-brand Relativity took many decades of uncertainty, this will too.
"It is like they want to ruin the project on purpose. There is no other explanation I can think of. Can you?"
I think ruining projects is a side-effect, not the purple/goal. Management/CEOs want to wring the most short-term profit they can out of an organization while they are running it. That usually means damaging the product/reputation in the long run, but they'll be retired by the time their greed becomes a problem.
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@distrowatch I still think one should not attribute actions to malice when they can be attributed to stupidity, but it's quite clear that an action can be both stupid and evil at the same time ...
I mean, chaotic evil is fun if done right, but it's a hard class to play properly.
@CubeRootOfTrue That's often true. But it only looks "stupid" from the user's point of view, not the CEO's point of view. From the CEO's point of view they are doing something very smart - getting a big pay day and getting out.
When something looks both smart and evil, then it's usually malicious.
Firefox lost a long time ago, but had guaranteed income from the default search engine deals. They tried many things over the years to create another revenue source but failed.
I heard from a Mozilla insider that upcoming fallout from court cases (from even before the current administration) will make those default search engine deals illegal. Which is kind of a good thing but now the org is facing its end and dissolving in predictable ways
@kevinrns The situation they seem to be in now is that they're actively destroying their product reputation.
They won't continue making money on the brand they torched, Google or not.
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Sorry for my slowness, of course.
I don't understand the many groups of decisions Mozilla has been making.
I prefer to think its group think, "oh they will accept this, its no too bad, everyone's doing it" and not malfeasance, dishonesty.
I still think appropriate coders, orgs of privacy, online rights, democracy and the intertubes 👉 hold a conference 👈 on enforcing standards, transparency and control to the user.
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If the #CEO position had a term limit and had to be a worker before and after being ceo and the employees all voted for a president each year or two... Oh wait that's a #coop not a #corp
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@hobs hey thanks for replying!
so basically it’s like if companies were incentivized to be more democratic. Imagine!
Follow up: do you think coops are more democratic than unions ? Or is it apples and oranges
Good question. Both have internal democratic processes, but with coops that process encompasses the entire organization hierarchy, all the way up to owners and executives. With unions its more of a competition thing. And union management's interests aren't always 100% aligned internally.
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Quite absurd how a CEO can broker a deal, working for an organization like Mozilla in this manner
#CEO #Mozilla #Firefox #Thunder #Thunderbird
When the Mozilla Corporation was spun up and Firefox was transferred under it, the writing was on the wall: Mozilla had been captured by VC techbros whose long-term mission will be enshitification. Freemium services, acquisitions, data collection. It's the only formula for value these VC types know.
All C-levels and Board members need to be purged, Pocket and VPN and the other nonsense needs to go, and Mozilla needs to only create a browser. Only a browser.
#firefox was already too dependent on kickbacks from G...
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@smeg
I think @mozillaofficial should hand over #Firefox to @torproject and let #TorBrowser become the new #upstream!
I mean, @thunderbird / #Thunderbird got taken over by it's community as well. Not shure if they have any relations beyond #Trademark and some #Hosting infra at #Mozilla...
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Does that mean that the changes at #mozilla won't reach #thunderbird and emails stored in it?
@0xF21D YES!
I'd say @thunderbird is hands-down the better alternative to #Outlook in every shape or form!
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I agree but, at the same time, what they did to K9 Mail absolutely sickens me and genuinely makes me question if they have some nefarious motive.
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The account drawer was the straw that broke my back but for me it's more about bloat. Before Thunderbird's involvement K-9 was one of the quickest apps on my phone and it just did it's job. I don't need my mobile to sync with my laptop because that's exactly what IMAP is for. If I need something powerful I'll go to my laptop but on mobile I just want it to be quick and painless. Nothing wrong with forking K-9 and creating Thunderbird for Android on top of K-9 for those that want extra features but the majority that were using K-9 were doing so *because* of it's simplicity. Telling us K-9 would continue to exist and then essentially just building Thunderbird and releasing a "branded" version was the wrong thing to do. I miss when K-9 ran on old and under-powered phones - it no longer does that.
Maybe you don't have a nefarious motive but forcing features onto people who don't want them isn't a good look... And is kinda exactly what Mozilla is self destructing over.
@kkarhan @0xF21D @nixCraft
Yesterday, I tried to help a friend by looking up a kitchen appliance on the Sur La Table web site to see if they carried the product. A few minutes later, I got some spam from some nonentity calling itself surlatable@safeopt.com thanking me for "checking us out." I had not logged in and Firefox was configure to delete cookies when it closes.
I put both on my shit list: what would you do if visited a store and they had someone follow you home and put trash in your mailbox?
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