that's so real x)

If you don't care about the terrible Brave, at least add Kagi …

can someone guide me on how I can install custom rom for my redmi note 10s phone.

There are no custom ROM support for this at the moment..how can I make it fully Foss phone without any Google malware

@IvarGierveld @tournesol @heymarkreeves Remember that Tuta is from Germany so US political nuance isn't always clear to others.

Don't get me wrong, Brave is ran by jackasses, no argument there.

The problem is that you can't really replace Android without seriously limiting yourself when it comes to device choice (LineageOS helps, but not that much), and even if you do, F-Droid is no match for Play Store, not even close (yes, I do use F-Droid). So these two alone would take some serious dedication to "deGoogle", probably way beyond what most are willing to do. So you're still stuck with Google there.

And let's not even talk about replacing YouTube...

But yeah, for the rest, there are certainly valid options.

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Dabei steckt hier eine riesige Chance vergleichbar der Unabhängigkeit fossiler Energieträger

just an FYI there seems to be some deama at organic map

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@rl_dane

If the alternative to windows was just windows 11 without the adware and without win32, nobody would seriously expect it to matter. Removing GSF just makes the important stuff that make people need a smartphone unusable (e.g. banking). Having it means you're barely degoogled.

Also, ARM isn't a horrible platform, it's just not a platform 😅

No standardized interfaces, no standardized components - each SoC is its own platform.

@khm @vwbusguy @Tutanota @ente

Eh, ok.

I think the FOSS Android builds deserve more credit than just being Android with a different theme. At the very least, "AOSP without Google crap plus some other niceties."

Unfortunately, there's not a lot else. I mean, yes, there's #pmOS and many other amazing projects, but given how much people live on their phones and depend on crummy things like their banking apps to work, there's not a lot of options.

It's a bad state of affairs.

If AOSP goes by the wayside, I guess I'll get a used iPhone and use it like a dumbphone. I know some folks that do that already.

I do love my FOSS Android phone, though. It's a pretty decent middle ground between privacy and "functionality."

P.S., ARM is a horrible platform. Just look at the progress of any project that tries to get a de-blobbed OS running on bare metal on any modern phone. They never make it particularly far. Even with blobs.

It's all FOSS, though.

If we must avoid all code written by evil gigacorps, that would also mean no zstd, and lose much of the Linux kernel and many related projects.

I mean, you can be an absolutist purist about it if that's what you like. Nobody's going to tell you where to draw that line.

Just so long as it is drawn.

It leaves you running Delta Chat on your BeagleBone Black plus 3" LCD running Devuan while trimming your rms beard and swearing at the clouds.

I wouldn't make fun of it if I wasn't already halfway in alignment to that caricature. ;)

@stu

No. It leaves _nothing_.

@rl_dane @cienmilojos @khm @vwbusguy @Tutanota @ente

@rl_dane

Yeah but zstd isn't pulling you into an evil ecosystem.

The problem with fake android isn't that it's still google code, it's that it's still _evil_ google code.

@cienmilojos @khm @vwbusguy @Tutanota @ente

kinda wild how many folks pointed out how mysteriously absent Proton is from the Gmail alt list... And how no one from either of these accounts have addressed this!

@Tutanota @ente

Some of the alternate Androids are less bad, but it's certainly not good.

That's been my whole point for the duration of this conversation XD

I use #CalyxOS, which is based on #AOSP and #LineageOS.

It doesn't include any proprietary google code, except possibly some drivers, and an optional stub of some kind that's included in #MicroG.

@rl_dane

I do think that, what was it, LineageOS? Some of the alternate Androids are _less bad_, but it's certainly not _good._

@cienmilojos @khm @stu @vwbusguy @Tutanota @ente

@cienmilojos

Sure but IMO there's no meaningful ownership for other androids either

@rl_dane @khm @stu @vwbusguy @Tutanota @ente

@rl_dane
You can have a phone and not put anything sensitive on it, rendering privacy issues moot.

Inversely, if you're communicating with people through snap/instagram/facebook, why bother going for a private phone?

@khm @stu @cienmilojos @vwbusguy @Tutanota @ente