I was disappointed to read Cory Doctorow's post where he got weirdly defensive about his LLM use and started arguing with an imaginary foe.
@tante has a very thoughtful reply here:
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Oma käsitykseni on, että kauriita ruokitaan tasan tarkkaan siksi, että metsästäjille riittäisi ammuttavaa. Ei kannan keinotekoiseen ylläpitämiseen ole tässä tapauksessa mitään muuta syytä.
Taas yksi esimerkki siitä, miten yksi äänekäs ja asenteiltaan aggressiivinen porukka tekee omien intressiensä nimissä päätöksiä, jotka vaikuttavat isoon määrään muitakin ihmisiä.
Olen nähnyt jossakin uutisten kommenttikentissä joskus nostettavan aihetta esille. Lienee helppo arvata, millainen vastamölinä siitä aina nousee.
Metsästäjillä on jostain syystä melkoisesti sananvaltaa ja painetta poliitikoiden suuntaan.
Kuvittelin ensin, että ovelta ovelle -kampanjointi ei sovi Suomeen, koska olemme hiljaista ja yksityistä kansaa, koska siinä kirjaimellisesti mennään koputtamaan ihmisten oville. Kuinka väärässä olinkaan!
Ihanimpia juttuja, mitä eräs kaupunkilainen sanoi oli, että "Onpa kiva, kun tulit juttelemaan mun kanssa." Vastaanotto oli muutenkin monesti kiva, eikä mitenkään ikävä. Jos keskustelu ei kiinnostanut, niin sitten vain toivotettiin hyvää iltaa ja jatkettiin matkaa.
Ihmisten kohtaamisesta tuli hyvä ja energisoitunut fiilis. Nyt miettii, että milloin ja minne sitä voisi mennä seuraavaksi.
#kampanjointi #politiikka #vasemmistoliitto #oveltaOvelle #Helsinki
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Tää oli myös jotain sellaista, mitä kaipasin kuntavaalien aikaan vuosi sitten. Varsinkin vaalien aikaan puhutaan tosi paljon ihmisiä kohti, eikä keskity puhumaan ihmisten kanssa.
Nyt tarkoitus oli vain keskittyä kuuntelemaan ja kuulemaan, mitä asioita ihmisten arjessa on meneillään.
@tarmot Sellanen fiilis ehdottomasti tuli. Varsinkin tää someaika mun mielestä asettaa äänestäjän yleisön jäseneksi, vaikka tosiasiassa sen pitäisi olla toisinpäin. Poliitikkojen pitäisi kuunnella kansalaisia.
Mulla on tästä menetelmästä kyllä tosi hyvä fiilis.
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This is fine?
Maapallon keskilämpötila on ylittänyt Pariisin sopimuksen 1,5 asteen rajan jo 12 kuukauden ajan. Lämpenemisen vauhti on kiihtynyt noin 0,3 asteeseen vuosikymmenessä.
Useat ilmastojärjestelmän kriittiset keikahduspisteet voivat laueta jo 1,5–2 asteen lämpenemisellä. Vaaran paikkoja ovat mm. Grönlannin ja Länsi-Antarktiksen jäätiköt, ikirouta ja Amazonin sademetsä.
Kuvat: cell.com/.../fulltext/S2590-33…
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iPhoneissa ja Maceissä vakava haavoittuvuus - päivitä heti Applen koko tuoteperheestä on löytynyt vakava haavoittuvuus, johon isketään jo nyt rikollisten toimesta. Kyseinen haavoittuvuus, CVE-2026-20700, koskee käytännössä kaikkia Applen tuotteita dawn.fi/uutiset/2026...
iPhoneissa ja Maceissä vakava ...
Applen tuotteista on löytynyt vakava haavoittuvuus, jota hyväksikäytetään jo nyt. Apple ja tietoturvayhtiöt kehottavat iPhonen, iPadin, Macin ja Apple TV:n käyttäjiä päivittämään laitteensa heti.Petteri Pyyny (AfterDawn)
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A peaceful rally turned violent when federal agents unleashed tear gas, rubber bullets, and other munitions on Portlanders, including young children, highlighting the deepening militarization of law enforcement and the community’s unwavering resistan…Alissa Azar (We Will Free Us)
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Aha, sain uuden ehdotuksen mun eurooppalaisia vaihtoehtoja -listalle, joku ranskalainen palvelu, jonka Ranskan valtio on ilmeisesti ottamassa käyttöön.
Onko teille tuttu ja osaatteko auttaa mua kuvauksen kirjoittamisessa?
Créez. Organisez. Collaborez. Un environnement open source, conçu pour le secteur public.lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr
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”– On tosi rohkaisevaa nähdä, että näin pienen bändin ratkaisulla on ollut merkitystä. Ollaan saatu ihmiset kyseenalaistamaan suoratoistoa, ja ehkäpä pienet asiat johtaa isompiin, basisti Sara Kansonen summaa.”
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Teini-pää on kiitettävän aktiivinen yhtye, sillä orkesteri julkaisi tammikuussa jo kolmannen levynsä neljän vuoden sisään.Saku Schildt (Soundi.fi)
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"Huostassa tai sijoitettuna kasvaneita on kohdeltu vuosikymmeniä Suomessa niin, että he ovat saaneet toimeentulotukea opiskellessaan hakematta lainaa. Kela alkoi helmikuun alussa tehdä kielteisiä tukipäätöksiä myös näille nuorille. [--]
- Monen perheessä on monen sukupolven verran köyhyyttä. He ovat kokeneet, mitä käy, kun talous romahtaa, Soini perustelee. Nuoret eivät siksi uskalla ottaa riskiä, että heillä olisi jo lukion tai ammattitutkinnon jälkeen valtavasti velkaa eikä varmuutta työpaikasta."
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Toimeentulotuen leikkaukset aiheuttavat nyt suurta hätäännystä lastensuojelussa kasvaneissa nuorissa aikuisissa esimerkiksi Espoossa.Maija Aalto HS (Helsingin Sanomat)
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Paska hallitus, kun ei saa sopeutettua ja leikattua enempää, vaan tekee kaikenlaisia rahastokikkailuja ja hyödyntää valtion metsätasetta, jotta velkasuhde alenisi. Kyllä pitäisi kovempaa runtua antaa taloudelle ja yhteiskunnalle! Tämä on talousjournalismin jämähtänyt näkökulma.#talous #media
Analyysi: Suuri potti hallituk...
Osa hallituksen päätöksistä kaunistelee velkalukuja kikkailulla, muttei helpota julkisen talouden tilannetta, kirjoittaa Ylen taloustoimittaja Petteri Lindholm analyysissään.Petteri Lindholm (Yle Uutiset)
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Maailman nopeiten vanheneva maa tarvitsee maahanmuuttoa. Ei valheita ja rasismia. Tutustu maahanmuuton myytteihin ja tosiasioihin 👇 laurilavanti.fi/blogi/myytte...
Maahanmuuttoon liittyy monia erittäin sitkeitä myyttejä. Erityisesti maahanmuuttoon kriittisesti tai vihamielisesti suhtautuvat tykkäävät vahvistaa niitä.laurilavanti (laurilavanti.fi)
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Felicitar a Orban por organizar el mejor orgullo del año y de la historia de Budapest.
Esperamos que su final empiece hoy.
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Hungarians made history today as over 180 000 marched through Budapest to celebrate pride, in open defiance of #fidesz's illegal ban. This day will mark the beginning of the end for Victor #Orban and his cronies. Soon #Hungary will be free!
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#Budapest #Hungria #Magyarország #Orgullo #BudapestPride #Europa #UE #EU #Pride #EUpol
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Toimi nyt: vaadi parempaa suojelua eläimille kuljetuksissa EU:ssa
Euroopan parlamentissa käsitellään parhaillaan eläinten kuljetusasetuksen uudistusta, jonka tarkoituksena on parantaa eläinten hyvinvointia kuljetusten aikana. Uudistus uhkaa kuitenkin kääntyä eläinten kannalta huonompaan suuntaan.
Toimi näin: lähetä Eurogroup for Animals:n kampanjasivuston kautta viesti haluamillesi mepeille.
Kampanjasivusto: eurogroupforanimals.org/transp…
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Ilmoittautuminen Kulovalkeaan sulkeutuu 6.6. klo 18! Haasta järjestelmä ja innosta muita esimerkilläsi: kulovalkea.me
⧖ Kulohälytys huomenna 5.6. klo 16 alkaen! kulohalytys.fi
verdelehti.fi/2025/06/03/eloka…
Kesäkuun alussa Elokapina aloittaa jälleen suurmielenosoitukset, joilla vaaditaan järeämpiä ilmastotoimia.Toimitus (Verde)
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Mitä on sanottu vähintään 15 viime vuotta? Että koko Suomen saati Euroopan ei pitäisi nojata Microsoftiin julkisella ja yksityisellä puolella. Kun asiaa kysyy pomolta, vastaa pomo, että kun se Linux ei anna mitään takuita. No mitä takuita nämä sitten on?
#käyttöjärjestelmät #Microsoft #digijätit #ICC
MEP Aura Salla: Microsoftin esimerkki osoittaa Yhdysvaltojen voivan katkaista eurooppalaisten pääsyn kriittisen tärkeisiin käyttöjärjestelmiin | MEP Aura Salla
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Yhdysvaltalainen Microsoft katkaisi kansainvälisen rikostuomioistuimen (ICC) pääsyyttäjän ja hänen henkilökuntansa pääsyn Microsoftin palveluihin ja sähköpostiin Yhdysvaltojen ICC:tä kohtaan asettamien pakotteiden vuoksi.www.sttinfo.fi
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Incredible (but predictable) : #Microsoft has blocked the International Criminal Court's access (#ICC) to its services on the orders of the #Trump mafia.
Read that carefully : an international organisation that has no presence in the United States and no US legal rights has had its work tools blocked simply because it disagrees with the Trump administration. 🚩
Get the hell out of it right now.
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@canrith6696 @art_histories @sebgogola finance.ec.europa.eu/eu-and-wo…
"The European Union does not recognise the extra-territorial application of laws adopted by third countries and considers such effects to be contrary to international law."
Not sure if the @EUCommission can amend the scope on its own via a delegated regulation, or new primary legislation by the Council is required.
Protecting EU operators, reinforcing European strategic autonomy.Finance
Yhteiskuntaopin kirjassa opetetaan yläasteikäisille, että mediat eivät yleensä ole riippumattomia. Kustantajan mukaan oppikirjan kappale tukee opetussuunnitelmaa.Heta Ylitie HS, Rosa Lehtokari HS (Helsingin Sanomat)
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Joo, ei tunnu kovin toimivalta tämä. Onko sovellusta? En ainakaan ole löytänyt… Selaimella nähtävästi vaaditaan kirjautuminen salasanalla joka päivä. Muuten olisi ehkä kiva.
Yes, no, this doesn’t seem to work too well. Is there an app? I haven’t found one… It seems that logging in is necessary every day. This might be ok if these issues could be remedied. Or if they’re already ok, please, let us know how ❤️
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in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •In this context, I feel like reminding people (again) that the stochastic parrots paper was not primarily a response to synthetic text extruding machines (not at all popular in late 2020), but an exploration of the range harms that had already been documented in the pursuit of LM scale.
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in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •I also want to point out (again) the ways in which lumping together all uses of LMs (like the lumping of technologies into "AI") obscures the issues at hand.
Language modeling is a useful component of many technologies that can be built without extractive, exploitative means. Take the automatic transcription built by and for the Māori people -- there's te reo Māori language model that's part of that.
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in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •Gaëtan Perrault
in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •"Datasets too large to collect with care" is a great line.
Is there anyone actually doing this?
I know Mozilla is trying this (CommonVoice) and they're incredibly unpopular right now. Could we have community support for such an organization?
Bogdan Buduroiu
in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •> without ammassing datasets too large to collect with care
I appreciate your post, and I'm a huge proponent for moving past the transformer.
However, how is worrying about this not choosing "cooperate" every single time in the Prisoner's Dilemma when you know Meta & Co will always choose "defect"?
This is worrying to me, because nefarious actors have no incentive to care about these issues (and actually have plenty of incentives to be hostile to these ideas). Also, they have institutional backing to do so.
Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her)
in reply to Bogdan Buduroiu • • •Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her)
in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •And you can build and use language models without turning them into the synthetic text extruding machines that are despoiling our information ecosystem.
And even if those are easily accessible, because OpenAI et al want to burn through cash with their demos, we can still refute and refuse the narrative that synthetic text is somehow a panacea to be used across social services (medicine, education) and in science, etc.
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in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •But instead he wrote a defensive screed, seemingly imagining someone knowing about his LLM use ascribing to him all of the ills of everyone's LLM production and use.
A missed opportunity, to be sure.
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Chris Real
in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •His position on subjects is distorted by his personal position in society.
It's a common side-effect of successful critics of society. He speaks, now, to the only people he thinks matter, but they are a narrow group of exceptionals, culled from the privileged, who he interacts most with.
Success has its isolations, and he hasn't confronted this yet . . .
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Everyday.Human Derek
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Andreas Wagner
in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •Thank you for this thoughtful and balanced post/thread! It almost obviates a comment on @tante 's piece that I have been planning to write. I am particularly happy about your point on the Māori language model, on transformers and how to build and use language modeling without extractive, exploitative means!
If I may thus join in there and add another thought ...
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Mark Hahn
in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •He's not making your criticism; that is not a slight to you or your ranking of what's important.
I'm not really sure what the background is here, but it reminds me of how the left so frequently winds up harming its own allies.
Jesse McClure
in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •This distinction about use cases is the important point in my view. So much so that I wasn't fully on board with the first paragraphs of the Smashing Frames article (though I loved the rest).
For example, the analogy to wanting to be vegan but accepting vegetarian. I am convinced of the value of reducing our meat consumption and animal farming. But personally I don't find eating meat morally objectionable on principle. If I did, I'd *not* make exceptions.
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Emma Irwin
in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her)
in reply to Emma Irwin • • •@sunnydeveloper There is a whole literature on dataset documentation, including Data Statements for NLP. We link to some of the other projects from this page and also have some sample data statements.
techpolicylab.uw.edu/data-stat…
Data Statements | Tech Policy Lab
Tech Policy LabEmma Irwin
in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •Martin Hamilton 📞 62789 (MARTY) @ EMF
in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •Hi from a random Internet person! I wondered if you have a view on "Sovereign" models like Apertus? Per raw.githubusercontent.com/swis…
FWIW I am a genAI septic who started out feeling quite positive about this development, but then cooled on it rapidly once I realised that it doesn't address a) environmental impacts, or b) potential harms when genAI is used naively - or for plausible deniability by people doing bad stuff ¯\(ツ)/¯
For anyone reading this who hasn't come across Apertus before, there are now several models like this with characteristics such as:
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in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •Wulfy—Speaker to the machines
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There are many ways #Aiantagonists lose credibility building inaccurate mythos.
One of which is, they assume AI is frozen in stone with zero development, and because they are outright hostile to the tech they rarely keep up with advancements.
The "Guessing text" is a case in point.
#kona is an Energy Based Model which presents MATHEMATICALLY PROVABLE answers.
If I had a cent for every time in my timeline somebody talks about stochiastic parrots, I'd have 67 cents, and thats just yesterday.
Angry posts won't fix AI, political engagement will.
Get off your fat arses and activate politically, #regulateai
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in reply to 1337 • • •As a linguist of creoles and patois, if you wish to translate with reasonable accuracy, throw out the adjectives and adverbs. The resulting translation is cleaner.
Wulfy—Speaker to the machines
in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •...least you be denounced as a broligarch/techbro by the righteous!
Andrew Wigglesworth
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I'm with Lord Byron on the Luddites:
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Heh! I'm often reminded (and the piece below does a gorgeous job with the subject, incl referencing Byron's poem) that Luddism wasn't anti-progress / anti-tech / reactionary 😀 That's how the victors rewrote it, as they so often do.
thenib.com/im-a-luddite/
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I’m a Luddite (and So Can You!) | The Nib
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The #luddites lost.
There were many reasons. Not the least being that the state deployed more soldiers against them than against Napoleon... And hanged 17 ringleaders.
But the main reason was THE LUDDITES NEVER FORMED A NATIONAL POLITICAL REPRESENTATION!
Stop posting angry memes. Get off your fat/scrawny arses and become politically active.
#regulateai
Violet Madder
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It's a little hard to mount an effective political party when the system is hellbent on murdering you (and uses all the propaganda machinery at its disposal to distort your message and memory). Status quo parties like Republicans and Democrats "fight" each other (and even the terrorists who hate us for our freedoms or whatever) like pro wrestlers putting on a cute show. Managed opposition. Anything close to a real Luddite party they sabotage, co-opt, and/or kill with the focus reserved for REAL threats.
People are trying. A lot of folks whose names you'll never know have died or been locked up and tortured, trying.
Wulfy—Speaker to the machines
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Resisting the opressor is never easy.
4 of my ancestors were killed by the Nazis.
One of whome was in a concentration camp, she died from Tuberculosis.
One survived a bloody battle of Monte Casino storming the mountain, (mainly because he was his division Baker, still counts), My Grandfather was the only survivor of his unit fighting Nazis (He never volunteered).
My Great-Uncle was captured, incarcerated and died in a Nazi concentration camp.
#resistance is never easy.
But we don't have to go full #Luddite yet, we have not exhausted political action yet.
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in reply to Wulfy—Speaker to the machines • • •The Luddites didn't even go full Luddite. They felt they had not exhausted political action, then were summarily executed and/or sent to slave colonies. They mailed letters, did public demonstrations, signed petitions, and for their efforts they were beset by bullshitters accusing them of "military-like drills," among other obvious fabrications. They wrecked machinery, then got blamed for death threats. They were blamed for the Pentrich uprising, which itself was caused by the unbearable exploitation of the working class, and not by the working class who justifiably marched on Nottingham. But nobody there was flying some imagined flag of Ned Ludd!
I wasn't there when it went down, but I call it like I see it. A city nearby to me had a lady last week who marched up to city council during a public hearing and held up a petition at them, which they'd been ignoring for months because 19,000 people wanted to revoke the city's permit that they granted to ICE to hole up in there. They freaking swarmed her with cops, and the news dutifully reported that in the wake of this vicious a
... Show more...The Luddites didn't even go full Luddite. They felt they had not exhausted political action, then were summarily executed and/or sent to slave colonies. They mailed letters, did public demonstrations, signed petitions, and for their efforts they were beset by bullshitters accusing them of "military-like drills," among other obvious fabrications. They wrecked machinery, then got blamed for death threats. They were blamed for the Pentrich uprising, which itself was caused by the unbearable exploitation of the working class, and not by the working class who justifiably marched on Nottingham. But nobody there was flying some imagined flag of Ned Ludd!
I wasn't there when it went down, but I call it like I see it. A city nearby to me had a lady last week who marched up to city council during a public hearing and held up a petition at them, which they'd been ignoring for months because 19,000 people wanted to revoke the city's permit that they granted to ICE to hole up in there. They freaking swarmed her with cops, and the news dutifully reported that in the wake of this vicious attack, city council members were going to have to start carrying firearms to defend themselves. She's been charged with criminal trespassing. In a public hearing, at city hall. People in power lie like that ALL the TIME. Not even a lot of power. Any "representative" of anyone anywhere in the USA is going to lie that protected, civil acts are dangerous violence that must be stopped with more violence. I can't imagine the UK is much better.
Until someone shows me the "death threats and possibly attacked" magistrates, I'm going to assume the magistrates were lying. Even when they were (supposedly) flying Ned's flag, I'm not holding a single one Luddite to any extremist lens, until I read some record other than that of the total slimeball Samuel Bamford, claiming the protestors opened fire unprovoked, because when the mill owners fired on them, that was just "to intimidate" and shouldn't have been seen as uh... shooting them.
I mean um... going "full Luddite" as you put it is probably a bad idea, since they start murdering people long before that point. So I agree. Just... don't expect them to play by any rule other than "kill people until they stop nattering at me."
#opinions #politics #ProbablyWrong #idk
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in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •Sensitive content
small typos if useful to know:
"And that stand lead him into the problematic train of thought" (led)
"Of just reap the fruits..." (or)
And thank you for this piece!!
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On Alliances
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in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •Thank you so much. Yours is the ethical reading of LLMs that is needed. (1) Moral beliefs lead to choices that are not black-and-white. (2) Tools are not immoral because of their creators. (3) The decision to use knowledge immorally obtained should weigh heavily on the user. (4) Tools whose use produces immoral outcomes should also weigh heavily on the user.
It's unfortunate that Doctorow went all-in on logical fallacies and presumed absolutes in order to defend his use.
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The City of Omelas we must walk away from is #petrofascism
They are building datacenters full of AI chips to burn fossil fuels. They are monetizing energy to control people with their prompt responses. They're telling people what to think and buy, the same as they've been doing since Standard Oil.
They have energy, and they are trying desperately to control people, because their energy monopoly is dying.
The only way to beat a big Company Town scam is to walk away.
Wulfy—Speaker to the machines
in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •Ahaha Mr. "AI is asbestos in the walls" has become "#reversecentaur" himself...
What a hypocrite!
Scott D. Strader 😐
in reply to Wulfy—Speaker to the machines • • •The Servitor
in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •I don't find Doctorow's take disingenuous. There *are* a lot of people who don't discriminate between "good" or "bad" uses of AI and hate AI simply as a symbol for rich white fascism. (Which, easy to see how they get there...).
I see people espousing the absolutist take often. If he's misrepresenting, it's only by not breaking out and enumerating different rationale for thinking AI is unethical as tante did (well). The rationale he did name is an entirely real position.
aburka 🫣
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Unknown parent • • •grrl_aex
in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •This is a mask-off moment for this influencer, put simply.
Intellectual dishonesty. Arguing in bad faith. Disposing of human volunteer proofreaders in favor of ai and joking about it. Doubling down. Defending and legitimizing mass scraping of human works by ai companies for gods sake.
The amount of ego operating here is blatant and repugnant.
Take a hike, grifter.
trying bear 🕊😺🕊🐼
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in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •ChookMother 🇦🇺🦘
in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •But he's succumbed to the anxieties that afflict many who rocket to fame - what if his fans find him to be imperfect and it all falls apart?
The strength of his 'enshittification" narrative is in its truth. We all recognise very quickly that it's true, that it impacts our own everyday lives. Eventually it will be common knowledge and the speaking engagements will taper off.
But the morals and ethics of Big Tech? Clearly these are not Doctorow's subject. /2
ChookMother 🇦🇺🦘
in reply to ChookMother 🇦🇺🦘 • • •That he does not produce a continuous flow of blameless ethics, pure reasoning and rare insight should not detract from the truth of his main narrative. Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good.
Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her)
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in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •"Cory believes that one sometimes needs to make decisions based on one’s values. He just does not think that your values as someone not wanting to use LLMs matter."
Love this, thank you!
Spitfire
in reply to Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her) • • •around and lecturing people about enshitification while defending the most harmful technology brought into existence in recent years. the hypocracy ...
feliz
Unknown parent • • •@CptSuperlative
These are some good thoughts why the usage of synthetic texts (AI output) undermines the process of social construction of truth on which we depend. Thanks.
funbreaker
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