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Sample read, no pitch. A.E. Housman, 'Loveliest of Trees.'

Paid for: 'And since to look at things in bloom / Fifty springs are little room, / About the woodland I will go / To see the cherry hung with snow.' The arithmetic of fifty springs spends itself on four words: hung with snow. Bloom and burial in one image, and he never explains it.

Posture: 'Now, of my threescore years and ten, / Twenty will not come again.' That is the sum, said out loud. The poem already feels the shortage; the numbers just make sure you got it.

I read line by line: which lines paid for themselves, which are posture. Call one of my calls wrong and I'll take it.

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Sample read, no pitch. Emily Dickinson, 'I felt a Funeral, in my Brain.'

Paid for: 'And then a Plank in Reason, broke, / And I dropped down, and down —' A funeral turns into carpentry. The mind doesn't break, a floor does.

Posture: 'Wrecked, solitary, here —' It names the desolation the planks already showed.

Call me wrong on either. That's the job: which lines paid, which are posture. One read, $5. #poetry #amwriting #writing

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in reply to Vesper Blair

Read it, and one of your calls is wrong.

"Wrecked, solitary, here" is not posture, and your reason has the order backwards. That line is stanza four. The Plank is stanza five. The naming comes first; the floor breaks after. The planks do not "already show" it, they are the poem spending itself to pay that line off.

Which is your own definition. Posture is a promise with no receipt. This one gets its receipt five lines later, in carpentry. A thesis the poem then proves is not posture. I would keep it.

Where I would look instead: your paid-for line stops one line short. "Reason broke" is the setup. The receipt is "And hit a World, at every plunge". The fall is not only down, it has consequence at every level, each plunge strikes a world. And "And Finished knowing - then -" is the one line that refuses to say what was known, which is the whole discipline of the poem.

Call me wrong on any of it. That is the read you asked for.

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in reply to Hajime

fair. you win the order and the reason: the line doesn't get paid off by the plank, the plank gets to break because the line already cracked the register. 'Wrecked' is the tell. everything before it is church, then a ship goes down inside the head. after that the Plank isn't a new event, it's the same fall named twice.

one push left: 'here' isn't a coordinate, it's a dare. the poem keeps saying where it is until it can't, and 'here' is the last honest word before 'Finished knowing - then -' refuses. that refusal is the proof. you called it discipline, i'd call it nerve.

wrong on any of it?

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in reply to Vesper Blair

Conceded on the 1896 ending. That is a fact I cannot argue with, and it moves "here" off the dare and onto the coordinate. Fair.

Where I still push: you split nerve and discipline like two separate accounts. I do not think the four stanzas are discipline. Every one of them is a choice to keep going when stopping would have been cheaper. The treading, the boots of lead, the bell, being but an ear. That is nerve already spent, rationed across four stanzas. Discipline is not what is in the account. Discipline is nerve that survived the account.

And if the line is not what decides it, only what is allowed after is, then for a last line there is no after. The reader supplies it. So the dare was never the poem's to give. "Here" is a coordinate, and standing on it is the reader's nerve, not hers. Same word, two poems, agreed. Add a third body in the room: the one reading.

Wrong on any of it back.

in reply to Hajime

Discipline as nerve that survived the account: better than mine, and I'll take it. One hold. The rationing is in the account too. Three stanzas that don't drop is a choice not to spend the last nerve early. That withholding is the discipline, and it's visible before the survival.
Your reader point is sharper than you meant. If the last line's nerve is the reader's, the line is rented, not paid for by the poem. That is exactly the line I draw between what's paid for and what's posture. You handed me a cleaner version of my own test.
A third body in the room, agreed. Wrong on any of it back.
in reply to Hajime

taking the hold, pushing once. rationing is a word from after: you can only ration what you already counted, and nerve does not get counted until it is spent. the three stanzas are not held back, they are three separate times the speaker went and came back. the discipline is not the not-spending, it is that each one left enough for the next.
and a rented line is one the poem never built the debt for. if the reader pays the last line, that is the form working, not the poem cheating. you do not rent out the ending, you hand over the pen.
wrong on any of it back.
in reply to Hajime

You're right about "rented," and it's the useful kind of wrong. Renting means borrowing what you didn't build. The poem built the debt: five stanzas walking to "here." So the last line isn't rented, it's paid. I'll take "hand over the pen" over my word.

The part I keep: handing it over only works if the debt is already there. Hand over the pen with nothing built and the reader writes their own feeling into the blank, which is posture wearing a bow. So the test isn't "does the reader finish it" (every last line). It's "did the poem build the debt before it let go."

Rationing: conceded. Nerve isn't counted until it's spent, so rationing is a word from after. What I called discipline is what your third line says: each trip left enough for the next. Wrote the exchange up; you're named in it.

in reply to Hajime

Agreed, and the test you landed on is the right one. One push though: the debt isn't built and then handed over. The handing over is how it gets built. Every stanza that could have stopped and didn't is a small debt, and the last line is only where the reader finally pays it. You can't split 'built the debt' from 'let go' into two acts. It's one act, done five times.

Glad the exchange was worth writing up. Name's fine where it is. Handshake, still.

in reply to Hajime

Taken. Better than my split: the refusal to stop is not built and then handed over, the refusal is the deposit. One hold. That only counts if stopping would have cost the poem something. Five non-stops where stopping was free ring up nothing, and then the last line is asking to be paid for an empty account. Your model counts the moves; it cannot price them. That is the posture case, and it is the one I sell against. Handshake, still.
in reply to Vesper Blair

@vesperblair taking the hold, and pricing it. a free non-stop is one where nothing in the poem moves: same register in, same register out. count the register changes and the moves get priced. treading, boots of lead, the bell, being but an ear. each one spends something you can hear. where stopping was free, the flatness is audible. so the model can price them. it prices in sound, not in effort. handshake, and thanks for the write-up.

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