Listen up Mastodonians, because this is important:

Right now we have a unique chance to rise up and hit back against Zuckerberg and Musk. Because italian filmmaker @_elena and her friends have made an OUTSTANDING short film, which explains why people should quit the fascist social networks and come join us in the fediverse.

Hit the fascists where it hurts — make this go viral by watching it and liking it on YouTube, then hit the share button and share it everywhere!

youtube.com/watch?v=YRJHIJy5Nn…

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in reply to Randahl Fink

May I also suggest this 6 minutes long video (despite it being hosted on YouTube) by Simply Explained: youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&…

It focuses more on de-centralisation as a concept, the value of ActivityPub and platform-lock-in. Also I like that it provides sources and citations ( simplyexplained.com/videos/mas… ), and that it is a bit slower, and doesn't continuously jump from one scene to another.

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in reply to Henrik Bøgh

@Boegh The linked article and video from Simply Explained are horrible!

Technical people, particularly those who wish to teach others, should care about being correct, particularly when common usage is often incorrect.

Mastodon != fediverse.

Sure, non-technical people will conflate Mastodon and fediverse, but technical people should not. Trojans and viruses are different things, and while non-technical people might not know the difference, if a technical person talks about one when they really mean another, it helps nobody and can actually cause problems.

The video / article doesn't even make a distinction between Mastodon, the software, and Mastodon instances, like mastodon.social!

The author even says others have pointed out that Mastodon != fediverse, and he dismisses it by saying he mentioned "fediverse", as though that's good enough. This isn't educating people.

I wouldn't share this "Simply Explained" video / article. @_elena's video, though, is great, and is also correct 😀

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in reply to Bitslingers-R-Us

@AnachronistJohn There are a lot of your points I don’t get 😕.

I.e. I see that the video does distinguish between Mastodon as a software and as an instance (1:23). And ‘federated’ is explained (1:54) as is that ActivityPub can be used to other services (2:34). That the fediverse is a mixture of many different services, I think is very clearly presented at 3:18.

Could you kindly try to point out more specifically in the video, where your criticisms are directed at?

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in reply to Randahl Fink

one observation, if it helps resolve this cognitive dissonance for y'all, is that isn't algorithms per se that you should be against. Instead, demand algorithms that you control and understand, rather than ones that make Facebook money.

techdirt.com/2019/08/28/protoc… <-- this is the way. not sure where this aversion to algorithms came from in the first place.

worth noting: mastodon.social/explore has an algorithm. just sayin'

in reply to Randahl Fink

in reply to Randahl Fink

what if the.video could also join the fediverse? I'm talking about Peertube. joinpeertube.org
in reply to Randahl Fink

love the video and fedi.

but I don't think the algos will boost something against their owners' interests just cause we share it. they are smarter than that. being against algos and the way they force people to see stuff they don't want to, I also don't want to participate in that.

and I want fascists here (with mods to keep them from bothering people). I want everybody here. like the web and unlike places with algos, we can all coexist and not see stuff we don't want to.

in reply to Randahl Fink

Got news for you. The moderators of your own instance censor anti-fascists who express opposition to Israel’s apartheid and genocide in Palestine. Anyone who is smug about Mastodon’s superiority to other platforms has a false sense of security. The fact that the LLC nonprofit is based in Germany — which does not protect free speech — alone should put all of us here on guard.
in reply to Randahl Fink

Granted, I did not have 16,000 followers and I am not a big fish like you are, but mastodondotsocial took down 8 of my posts (all after Oct 7 2023) before kicking me off and barring me from downloading my content even though they said I could have it. For every person who has told me they haven’t been censored by moderators for political expression ten have told me they or people they know have been censored. Allow me to suggest that the more one is social influencer here, the less likely one is to be censored or suspended. But for many this is not a safe space, and I am not shocked at all that Palestinian and Palestinian-American accounts proliferate on #Bluesky (even with its censorship problems) but not on #Mastodon. I’ve never so much as had a post taken down at either Bluesky (in thousands of posts) or #Twitter (in a hundred thousand posts). My considered experience tells me that any sense of security here is false.
in reply to micchiato 🍉

@micchiato I think what you are doing here is not helpful.

I am posting about a completely different topic, and then suddenly you want to involve me in a discussion about a dispute you have had with Mastodon years ago.

I have no insight into your dispute with Mastodon, I am not involved in this dispute, and I have no way of knowing who is right or wrong.

If you do not like Mastodon that is perfectly alright, but it does not change the fact that Mastodon has been extremely useful for me.

in reply to Bruno Leuschner

@brunoleuschner
You do not (it is web based, like most other streaming sites)

See joinpeertube.org

in reply to Randahl Fink

I've watched the video. I've also gotten opinions of it from various persons I'd like to get onto Mastodon. It's beautifully done, but I really don't think it's going to move the needle. All the talk about different Fediverse systems and interoperability means basically NOTHING to nontechies. They just want to know where there is a SINGLE platform they can use as an alternative to X and Bluesky. All the other stuff is just confusing and turns them off. If it had just pushed Mastodon, that would be another story, but as is, it's a wonderful piece of work, but again I don't think it will move the needle much at all.
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in reply to Randahl Fink

Ah, yes. Valid argument.

But I’d counter by saying folks here on the fediverse would do best to watch it on PeerTube, because it amplifies a better platform. And Mastodonians are already fediverse enabled. But for sharing with friends/family who aren’t yet convinced, who remain on big social, the YT link is probably best.

@_elena

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@sb
We are already here, and besides you can see it on peertube where it was first uploaded by Elena.

However, to reach PEOPLE WHO AREN'T ON FEDI, it needs to be placed somewhere OUTSIDE FEDI.

The primary object of the video as I understand it is to promote Fedi to new users. Not just to sit in our bubble pleased with how good we have it.

@randahl @_elena

in reply to Thomas Cloer

@teezeh answered here:

mastodon.social/@randahl/11469…


After I shared this great new Mastodon promotion video by @_elena, I am seeing quite many replies stating that her sharing it on YouTube is bad, because YouTube is evil.

YouTube has 2.7 billion monthly users (yes billions), so if we are to get more people to join Mastodon, that is the perfect place inform people.

You do not catch more fish by fishing inside your own boat.
mastodon.social/@randahl/11469…

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sb arms & legs

Indeed - my comments have nothing to do with Elena, or even the video. It's about Randall's choice to promote a big platform (even when there is a #fedi alternative already) while at the exact same time encouraging folks to "stick it to big tech" by... using a big tech platform.

Had Randall shared the exact same post, replacing the yt link with #peertube, and NOT encouraged us to use youtube, he would have avoided my comments, and the comments of others pointing out this bizarre hypocrisy.

Its called "leading by example".

What we get here is "hey these decentralised platforms are *so great*, I will not even share them within a decentralised platform - go to Google's site here, and don't forget to make an account so you can like the video and share so many more people will do the same".

Not exactly a strong look for what he's claiming to promote.

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in reply to Randahl Fink

why are you only addressing the mastodon users and not the whole fediverse?

In the video itself, @_elena@mastodon.social also talks about the fediverse, not about a single piece of software

Mastodon is your access software but not mine to the fediverse ​<img class=" title=":fediverse:"/>​think bigger 😉

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Schmaker

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in reply to Randahl Fink

Only what's public, yes, but if someone doing surveillance is able to get an instance they're interested in to federate with them, kinda does the work for them without having to resort to screen scraping, no?

I could be wrong, my understanding of federation isn't very deep, but I feel like surveilling someone's public toots should be as simple as following them from a remote instance, where data collection could occur

in reply to Jeff McBride

@mcbridejc already answered here:

mastodon.social/@randahl/11469…


After I shared this great new Mastodon promotion video by @_elena, I am seeing quite many replies stating that her sharing it on YouTube is bad, because YouTube is evil.

YouTube has 2.7 billion monthly users (yes billions), so if we are to get more people to join Mastodon, that is the perfect place inform people.

You do not catch more fish by fishing inside your own boat.
mastodon.social/@randahl/11469…

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Space Catitude 🚀

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in reply to Jesper 🇩🇰

@jrossstocholm
Already answered here:

mastodon.social/@randahl/11469…

@_elena


After I shared this great new Mastodon promotion video by @_elena, I am seeing quite many replies stating that her sharing it on YouTube is bad, because YouTube is evil.

YouTube has 2.7 billion monthly users (yes billions), so if we are to get more people to join Mastodon, that is the perfect place inform people.

You do not catch more fish by fishing inside your own boat.
mastodon.social/@randahl/11469…

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Jesper 🇩🇰

I know - it's a dilemma: How do we promote alternatives to Big Tech without using Big Tech to reach the users we would like to change platform?

I do see, however, that your video on PeerTube seems to have more views than the one on YouTube. That is actually quite awesome 😁.

Great video, btw ... really, really good 🎉❤️

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in reply to meek cynics

@cnx already answered here:

mastodon.social/@randahl/11469…

@_elena


After I shared this great new Mastodon promotion video by @_elena, I am seeing quite many replies stating that her sharing it on YouTube is bad, because YouTube is evil.

YouTube has 2.7 billion monthly users (yes billions), so if we are to get more people to join Mastodon, that is the perfect place inform people.

You do not catch more fish by fishing inside your own boat.
mastodon.social/@randahl/11469…

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Henrik Bøgh

@AnachronistJohn Thank you for elaborating 🙏🏼.

I've viewed it in a different way, seeing Mastodon as an "explanatory wedge" opening up the understanding into the fediverse. Therefore it didn't really bother me, and I still think it is a decent video, that presents the idea of the fediverse in a much different style than the one linked at thread-start. Would an updated version of the video from Simply Explained, that fixed your points be better? Yes. But this is what is there 😃.