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So I found a tactic that's working in my YouTube comments- thought I'd share.
If someone complains that a software I recommended is "woke", I ask them "what does that mean? Can you say more about that?"
They never say more. They delete their comment instead.
My tactic is to make them say what they mean. They won't.
Because they're cowards.
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Me: "what does that even mean? What part of Debian are you referring to?"
Them: [self-destructs]
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Someone said I was censoring conservatives by [checks notes] asking what they mean.
So I asked them to describe how asking questions was censorship, and... they deleted the comment!
It's almost like they're afraid to say it.
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FWIW I do occasionally ban folks from commenting on the channel, mostly when they're using violent rhetoric or objectifying me (or others). For the most part those comments get sent to the "holding area" thanks to word matches, where I can then ban folks without anyone seeing the comment.
Zero tolerance for assholes.
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My tactic (verbal) is to be my inner child and keep asking, "Why?"
If it drives parents crazy, it should work with fascist morons.
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yeah, stupid people have never been rare, but I think the contemporary firehose-of-soundbytes meme culture has engendered a vast pool of chronically overstimulated folks who honestly have *no idea* why they believe any of the things they believe, and have no tools to even begin addressing the question.
When the only cases in your switch statement are "I agree" or "I'm mad", being asked to define yourself is probably one of those divide-by-zero things that just leads to a kernel panic.
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Well actually, not all fools 🤪
(Trusting you recognize silly vs. obnoxious reply)
"Oh, you know the ones."
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I feel reasonably confident in guessing they want a reaction (preferably a fight), not a response.
I also have to wonder if this is of a piece with those folks who regard "asking for clarification" as aggressive. An especially tedious behavior in supervisors. (I've heard two unrelated reports of this nonsense lately, & I have to wonder if it is becoming a thing.)
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@mac84tv I just so happen to need a new mouse pad. Definitely going to get one.
I would order a shirt too, but I have a weird aversion to text on shirts, if there was one with just the image, I would buy one in a heartbeat.
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On most occasions when a person uses 'woke' to describe something, the wokeee will genuinely not really know what the person is specifically criticising. So to ask them to explain is quite honest but with a little side dish of a troll-ette which is a perfect combination.
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To be fair: I run Debian on some of my systems, and I don't have any idea how "woke" would apply to it. So it wouldn't be a debate tactic in my case - I'm genuinely confused about that.
As for what is happening in their heads, I'm finding that a lot of their outrage is in a shared identity that's just assumed. Asking them to explain it is like asking a fish to explain water.
Admittedly, I get like that, too. I do get flustered trying to explain myself when statements or sentiments like "genocide is bad" or "getting paid wages that are fair is good" are, implicitly or explicitly, challenged.
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Hmm.. 'them' has a point though. Ok, maybe this helps a little..
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Debian Has Gone Full Woke
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.The Lunduke Journal (YouTube)
They want to treat registered sex offenders as outcasts forever —Did a sex offender write that code? Ew, avoid that software. Is a sex offender giving a software talk? You are unsafe in that room.
More FUD from shills of Microsoft, which is in its death throes. Trying to smear FOSS contributors. (like RMS?)
People who can't stand a bit of controversy, who are led by media, by partial quotes taken out of context, shouldn't join any movement that goes against incumbent powers. 🐧
You don't need to buy it, or subscribe to it. You don't have to have an account or give permission to share your data with our few selected partners. You don't need to repurchase it every time it's updated and you don't need a new CPU for a latest update. You don't even need to buy a special computer to run it.
AND THATS WOKE!!!1!!one
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@Veronica Explains @Dev Albino People can be deprogrammed. It's not easy, but it can be done.* The best way to do it is to break the thought-stopping patterns that have generally been imposed on them. This seems like a really effective way to do it.
* I know this from first hand experience.
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I like to ask people what they don't like about "wokeness" Is it the treating people with humanity or the compassion they don't like?
Sometimes I change it up with a "Oh no! I don't want to be woke! How much intolerance should I have before I'm no longer woke?"
Nobody has ever responded to these questions.
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ive never understood why "woke" is supposed to be an insult. Its literally the opposite of asleep/oblivious.
People are idiots unfortunately.
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I decided recently that arbitrarily labelling people or things as "woke" is nothing more than a modern variation on lazily throwing about a "communist" label.
As in it's not enough to just say there's people or policies they don't agree with or having preferences, it needs to sound like an "insult" either by adopting an existing word or making one up.
Along with "libtard", "leftist" and a bunch of other words they can't articulate when challenged on explaining their reasoning.
It bothers me more when public figures in the UK pick up USA slang but in the manner of "a bully I admire used that word and when I copied him ooh it made me feel big and strong".
When really the just sound like the child that hangs around behind the school bully echoing their threats because they think it protects them from becoming the next target.
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Because they don't know what it means.
To them, it's like telling you the product is shit. They're parroting cult talking points.
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Background: Framework supported Omarchy and a known Nazi financially, community was pissed, CEO went "I want to create a big tent, this is not about politics" - guess what, dipshit, it *is* about politics. Either you oppose fascism or you're fine with it, there is no middle ground.
Therefore no more framework computers for me, sadly.
Stepping down as Framework Linux Community Ambassadors
We are Tommi and Fraxinas, Framework Linux Community Ambassadors since September 2024.We apprehensively followed the developments and the debate concerning Framework’s endorsement and support of Omarchy. We have no direct experience with this Linux distribution, its community, nor with the political environment around it. We did not speak up before now because learning about all of it and keeping up with all the commentary would have been a full-time job. Unfortunately we do not have the time to read every single comment on the dedicated forum thread.
Despite our admittedly limited and superficial understanding of this matter, we believe we have witnessed and read enough to make an informed decision and take a clear position.
The statements from Framework and from Nirav Patel (its CEO) made it very clear for us that Framework is not a company we feel represented by any more, and surely not a company that we want to represent as Ambassadors.
To be frank, it is not even necessary to dive into the petty drama about the recent events in order to provide an explanation of our decision. We are deeply disappointed by a company that is self-proclaimed as the resistance of the tech industry, the good David that intends to stand against the big tech Goliaths that are devouring it. Framework’s behaviour brought to surface an embarrassing and absurd inability to take an explicitly political position, blinded by the Western patriarchal narrative that technology in itself is not political. By trying to keep everyone happy (or at least not to make anyone mad) inside a fictitious “big tent”, the company proved to be no better than any of its Silicon Valley peers, dismissing comments about DHH, and comments about fascism and racism as not strictly related to the main mission.
We were proud to be ambassadors because we believed that Framework not only made products that empowered those who purchase them to fully own and repair their devices, but most importantly because we wrongly expected that this would imply changing the paradigm and the narrative about tech companies altogether.
We were offered the possibility of having a 1:1 conversation with Nirav Patel. We did not take it, because it is self-evident that our opinions are in contrast with the statements that he already made. Too bad, Framework is going to lose much more business than it would have if it simply acknowledged a mistake, took a deep inward look, and questioned its own values and stance.
In a world that is burning, thorn by conflict and greed, it is not enough to be “less evil”, to be radical only in some cases, and be moderate in others. We wanted to be ambassadors of a company that does not see fascism and proprietary software as two distant topics, but that recognised the entanglement of politics and technology, of capitalism and authoritarianism. It seems that this is not the case.
Farewell, Framework. We will miss the shining brave idea we had of you.
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You’ve discovered step 1 to annihilating BS: Define terms. You’d be surprised at the power of asking “what exactly do you mean by that?”
The other two questions are “why do you think so?” & “is that a good reason?” You won’t even have to argue.
Yeah that's a good way to go. I think it's usually best if you keep the part where you call them cowards private, tho. XD
I find there's a lot of ways this can go on their side, too, like:
1) They hadn't thought about it, you made them think about it, they changed their mind.
2) They said it on reflex and are humiliated when challenged.
3) They really believe it, but can't argue it, so they just shut up before they make things worse.
The ideal situation is they change, imo.
"oh, you know, the ones..."
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I like to ask, "What, do you see these lives as a competition or something?"
They won't say, because woke means being aware of and against systematic oppression. Someone who defended their client said that was what woke meant using lots of liberty to do so.
I doubt anyone wants to admit that is why.
I know I'm going to regret this question, but: What does that even mean?
okay, redti is clearly a bot or a troll. Buh-bye.
@redti How are "cancel actions" supposed to "expose" this?
How are the people who are saying, for instance, that the LGBTQIA+ community should be allowed to exist the ones who are causing division, and not the group who are trying to exterminate them?
@redti show me where I called myself a "dem".
If you can't defend your dissertation, walk away from the committee.
We know EXACTLY what "woke" means.
In the name of "fighting wokeness," Republicans have been banning thousands of books all over the country, including several award-winning books famous for explaining to children why the Holocaust was a bad thing.
So when they say "woke" they mean "not a Nazi."
And just like that, you know both why it makes them so mad and why they don't want to explain it.
This tactic was used successfully by teachers & librarians in Florida.
When parents were asking them about the teaching of Critical Race Theory, teachers would ask, "What part of the syllabus are you talking about?"
Most of the time, the parents didn't know what CRT was. They were just repeating talking-points & trigger-words that they had been told to ask about.
I can see why they would delete such comments: Fox "News" seems to use "woke" as a general insult devoid of meaning. Once they realize that (a) all they meant was "I don't like it", and (b) how much effort it would take to explain why they don't like it, they delete the comment rather than spending hours trying to critique some software that they couldn't figure out how to use.
Besides, maybe they don't want to admit to watching Fox News.
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200+ things that Fox News has labeled woke
200+ things that Fox News has labeled woke. Fox personalities struggle to define ‘woke’ because they have attributed the term to nearly everything under the sun, stripping it of any meaningful...www.metafilter.com
but, but, don't you think being bigoted is cool? 🥺
Absolute fucking clowns, 🤡 when the real world strikes they can't face it.
I grew up being told, 'The older you get, the more conservative you become.'
I'm discovering that the older I get, the more I want our society to be tolerant, charitable, kind, and peaceful, and to ensure that everyone has what they need to survive and thrive.
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if anything I've gone further to the left, although there's a paradox that its in part because I've done OK in life and have been able to afford a house and a reasonable car and reach some level of financial stability doing honest work which is socially beneficial, and I simply want younger folk to be able to do the same (which seems harder than ever nowadays in every part of the World)
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I think that's the change in the trend.
People used to become more conservative because they had more stuff. You did work, you acquired wealth. Your priorities shifted to being able to defend that wealth. Now, older people are one of three categories:
- Worked a lot, did not acquire wealth. See the same unfairness in the system that young people see.
- Worked a lot, did acquire wealth, but are aware that it involved a lot of luck and saw peers.
- Somehow acquired wealth that they believe was earned.
The folks in the last category are probably still moving right as they age but there are hardly any of them, proportionally. They used to be a big chunk of the population.
I'm in the second category. I've done pretty well, financially, in my career, but I've also seen a load of people who were very smart and motivated fail to do so. Being smart and hard working is very obviously not sufficient for success, you need a lot of luck as well.
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I heard the same thing from my dad and his wife for decades, even into my forties!
Might have been part of what helped veer me further left . And since their passing I've turned further left.
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At least in the USA, conservative does NOT mean what it used to.
More conservative old me:
- I don't walk around without a shirt anymore, even in the house. (I get cold)
- Wasting food is a bad idea, just eat the leftovers.
- These fascist policies are bad for the economy on top of being evil.
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People who say that are misunderstanding the (true) fact that old people tend to be more conservative than young people.
What's actually happening is two things
1) people mostly slowly get more liberal as they age, while society gets more liberal around us faster than the average individual changes their views.
2) conservatism correlates with being cis, straight, white, wealthy, etc. - all of which also correlate with the privilege that helps one live into old age.
THE UPSWING
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@mekkaokereke shared a different explanation.
The American electorate gets more Republican as voter age increases, but it's not because individual voters politics are changing.
It's because minority (especially Black) voters die younger than white voters and they are far far more likely to vote for Democrats and against Republicans. So the surviving pool of voters shifts Republican compared to a younger cross section.
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@alienghic @mekkaokereke This is a US-centric view, where this can be true because the US only have two big political forces, so people are less likely to change their side than in countries with 4+ big political forces.
From what I see (Belgium, France), it’s true that poeple lean right with age, but also with time in general: full fascism is sold everywhere because it’s the easiest swallowable trap/BS in an evercomplex world.
So it’s not about people from the left dying sooner.
Yes, every country is different. But the dynamic (demographic mix shift by generation) is similar.
One of the things about Mastodon, is that people often assume that if a Black American is posting about things online, that they only know about the US. I grew up in Europe, the US, Africa, and the Middle East. My views on racism are formed by lived experience and academic study in all of these places.
The same dynamic of "younger people are Blacker, and Blacker people vote less fashy" exists in Europe as well, although in most places it's driven more by immigration than life expectancy. Brussels is the youngest city in Belgium. Three guesses why.
White people in the UK have a median age of 45, while Black people are 32. This is similar to the US split, where the most common age for white people is 58, and for Black people is 27. Tories and Reform are older and whiter.
And yes, there is a correlation between voting Labour and both having poorer health, and dying younger, even though Black people in Britain live longer than white British people. A 70 year old Black British Tory, might have gone to Eton, then Oxford, has good health, voted for Thatcher, and has always been Conservative. If he'd been extremely poor, grown up in Aylesbury, had asthma as a child and chronic respiratory illness as an adult, and worked as a bricklayer, he'd probably vote Labour, and his chances of living to 70 would be much less.
When we see that older generations are becoming more far-right, we say, "See! People get more conservative as they get older!" But when we see white Europeans in younger generations like Gen Z becoming further right than Gen X, Millennials, Boomers, etc, we don't say "People get more conservative as they get younger!"
Someone posted just this thought a couple weeks ago.
I (now in my 50s) would like to inform myself back in my 30s (who was almost drinking the conservative kool-aid, but not quite), that I am now angrier and more "lefty" now than I was when I was 20.
SO THERE! 😅
My grandfather definitively had his Nazi vibes and what's happening here would be over the edge for him...
Internationally quite different, but with lessons for us all. My grandparents were socialized in Nazi Germany. They never considered themselves Nazis. They refused Nazis post war. They suffered and fought as young men during the war or survived areal bombing.
And they still harbored the patterns that were hammered down their brains in the 30ies, whereas their parents were mostly labor.
That tells us something about your young generation.
(and ours, it freaks me out what they're prolly going to brains and souls of my own children. What's going on is not exclusively US...)
Yeah, that's a myth, but it's an understandable myth based on false correlation. The TRUE correlation is that people tend to get more conservative as they gain wealth.
It USED to be true that people gained wealth as they grew older, so people falsely correlated age with conservatism instead of wealth.
Now, people are growing older but getting poorer, so...
Not leaving out the climate inducted collapse. No one here has the skillset to navigate in what is going to be ahead. One thing is certain, though: It will rarely bring the best out of mankind and what is going to be required for own well being might be way off anything that we deem acceptable.
Add politics to that, and add a mainstream of ordoliberalism mixed up with the inevitable cousin fascism.
At 78 I’ve moved from slightly right of Centre to somewhat more left and, significantly, from being a loyal Monarchist throughout the bulk of QEII’s reign to a sceptical iconoclast where the execrable KCIII & his ex-mistress Consort are concerned.
I mean ‘Queen’?🤷♂️
your experience matches mine – no sign of a rightwards drift here, quite the opposite.
I feel like there was, maybe still is, some truth to the observation that "older people are generally more right wing" [big generalisation of course] but it's not because individuals changed their views, it's because the generally poorer lefties simply didn't make it to old age in the same numbers as their richer right wing counterparts.
Brought up in the English Conservative Party, surrounded by members, these could almost have been their values 50 years ago.
Never voted for the gits though.
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Depends how much finance a person has?
Well financed people tend to live longer?
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The Internet Is Driving Boomers to the Right jacobin.com/2025/11/social-med… #socialismThe Internet Is Driving Boomers to the Right
While younger people are growing aware of the harmful effects of social media, people over 65 are consuming increasing amounts of far-right content online — and it’s impacting real-world politics.jacobin.com
Survivorship bias. Wealthy people tend to be more conservative since they're satisfied with the status quo. They're also likely to live longer because more resources for healthy living, etc. So over time the % of a cohort tends to be more conservative as the less well off die earlier.
Two other trends: historically people got wealthier as they got older (so more satisfied with status quo); but contra, increasing life experience increasing empathy reducing conservatism
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There's another common trend in much of the world where there's not much economic opportunity for younger people. It's really common for older people to be holding most of the jobs and most of the wealth in many countries around the world.
This leads the youth to rebel. Though exactly how they're rebelling depends on the specific culture.
Some are protesting, some are dropping out of society, and some are voting in rage to burn the world down.
That's a common misconception; what they saw is literally survivorship bias in action; white people are more likely to vote republican than black people, and they tend to live longer. So the older a cohort gets, the more conservative it becomes, even without any of it's members changing conviction
h/t @mekkaokereke
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I'm going to keep sharing this info until it sinks in.Young voters do not get significantly more or less politically activated. Voter suppression gets more or less effective. Ballot drop boxes and mail-in voting, prevents suppression.
People do not become more conservative as they get older. There is not an increasing difference between white GOP and Dem voters as they get older.
Black people don't live long, and many brown voters aren't born yet.
I've heard this. And I've seen it. But... I think the older you get, the longer you're exposed to external influences, the more you develop in those directions.
I think I've become less of an asshole by being on here, for ex.
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The solution to poverty is money, or a similar fiat. As you say, education, usually, is of limited use.
Education after money makes sense. Thus 'Housing First' for unhoused people.
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In addition to failing memory, there is also the point that circumstances are always changing. I have that issue with advising my kids. A lot of the advice I'd otherwise give them is out of date.
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There is of course, a religious angle, but without that, the concepts of need and administrative efficiency suffice.
We frequently get this sort of shit in the UK.
It often comes from literal Lords and Ladies in the House of Lords talking about how people could have a breakfast for pennies if they just ate oats and how all the poors have “smartphones” as if that were optional and “flatscreen TVs” as if you can buy any other kind.
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oh, looks like rates have gone up. it's $1000/hr now. gotta pay the rent y'know.
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A person who succeeded after being poor is like a plane that returned home from a battle. They have a valuable story to tell, but their #advice is inherently biased because it's based only on the conditions that allowed them to survive. They cannot speak for the countless others who faced the same #hardships and didn't make it.
Therefore, when someone who is now successful says, "I was poor once, and this is what worked for me," they are speaking from a biased, unrepresentative sample. Their story, while inspiring, can be misleading. This proves that advice from any position of success—whether from the formerly poor or the never poor—carries inherent limitations that ignore the systemic issues you correctly identified. The reason this happens so often is that most of us firmly believe that we were able to #overcome #adversity.
I always thinking of it similarly to people trying to tell each other how to grieve loss or what’s appropriate or not appropriate.
If you want to assist people in need triage their needs. It’s improbable that unwanted advice is high up on that list.
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And they are often time poor as well due to having multiple jobs or unpaid labour (e.g. caring).
So no Karen, not everyone has time to meal prep or cook a whole bunch of shit from scratch.
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How did he do this?
By buying massive quantities of food, and batch cooking it in an industrial kitchen, then pointing out that each portion cost around 30p.
And so, he will forever be known as "30p Lee".
Because everyone struggling can afford to buy industrial quantities of food, and cook it in the industrial kitchen in their home, and store all the left-overs in their industrial freezers.
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Low-Wage Workers Rarely Get to Control Their Time. Stable and Flexible Scheduling Gives Them the Autonomy They Need to Learn, Care, and Rest.
Every Labor Day, millions of workers get up and go to work to perform the essential functions of the American economy. But without stable and flexible schedu…Todd Greene (Urban Institute)
As someone who was homeless for 6 years, i can assure you people who've never been homeless have no clue how hard it is to shop for food. You don't have a refrigerator, have to carry it, things will go back or you don't have space / strength to carry it with everything else.
Yet housed people will look at you like you're an asshole for buying something pre-made and ready to eat that costs more than basic ingredients.
Kinda' hard when you lack a kitchen to cook.
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Yep. I was talking to woman spare changing on the street. Gave her 10 bucks when i was headed away. Had some old liberal at the bus say "she'll only spend it on drugs," and i aaid, "good! If that's what she chooses, it's her right to choose it. It's her money, after all."
I just have so much annoyance with this attitude.
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@oldladyplays I am disabled and have a bit of income from it and while i apparently won't have food stamps next month like everyone else, i've otherwise had them, including when i was homeless.
I've known plenty of people who didn't have that and were 'spanging' for money for food, bus fare to an appt., a new tent, a backpack, basic hygiene needs. But it always seems to be 'the drugs' people think of.
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For sure. I just wanted this shitlib to hear that it's none of my fucking business what she spends it on. It's *her* money. I gave it to her to use as she saw fit. I don't know what she needs to keep going, she does. How immoral to try and castigate her for spending that $10 on *anything she wants*. She knows how she lives. Why should I be the one imposing my choices on her?
@oldladyplays I get it.
It's just something i've seen play out many times myself. People also probably thought i was spending all my money on drugs when i've been clean of hard drugs 30 years. I couldn't afford a deposit on an apt. and rent like many out there.
We need more housing.
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@Taco_lad @oldladyplays There is not enough housing in the large U.S. city i live in. We have commercial real estate that isn't used but it can't all be converted to housing for many regulatory reasons.
We need to build more housing and make it affordable. Might be different elsewhere, but not where i am.
@Taco_lad @oldladyplays People who work here can't afford to live in the city. Long time residents are being pushed out.
Housing for them as well as low income folks is needed and we've not done that. We've built a ton of commercial spaces that ended up empty during or after covid though.
@transicorn @oldladyplays location is important I'll admit, but
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There's a lot of empty homes out there
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Homelessness in the U.S. is rising, yet millions of homes sit vacant. Discover which states have the most vacant houses per homeless person and explore the systemic causes of this housing crisis.Alex (Vivid Maps)
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@Taco_lad @oldladyplays Nice map, where i live is at the bottom.
I've lived here for 30 years, i'm housed because of a program that houses people. I know other homeless and formerly homeless people and have lived in every type of housing situation you can think of in 3 decades.
That map proves what i'm saying is true where i am.
@Taco_lad @oldladyplays As for location being important...
I'm #transgender. Where i live or don't in #America in 2025 also means whether or not i have rights. I'm in one of the few places that stands firmly on protecting my rights. Many of those places do not.
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It's such a thought and compassion short circuiting cliché. "Oh, they'd just spend any money I gave them on drugs."
As if drug addicts would stop if you didn't give them some money?
As if food and lodging were that easy for everyone in our society to find!
I bet all of you anti-poor use your money to buy drugs, especially when in severe pain -- having none of the basics and all of the weather and bullies to contend with every day can be severely painful
not able to get health insurance, of course if she is ill she wants what drugs she can get to feel well enough to keep on
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I was hoimeless for two and a half years, and only managed to get out of that situation with the help of friends.
Food was always a peoblem, and buying ready-made became an energy-sink that made it more difficult to get out of homelessness.
Oh, you mean advice on money or frugality... not money, or frugality advice ;)
Now, they *might* not be experts. I've been *asked* for advice. If you don't ask, though.... nope. Not my job (oops, and I've even been poor, but I probably haven't been *your* poor.)
having been quite poor (not starving student for a few years, but being, and living among community of the, working poor), quite a few people I know/knew do not have good financial skills, they overpay for things, spend without thinking.
this is somewhat armchair psych but I think some of it comes from a desire to feel normal, to be able to get starbucks instead of bulk cheap coffee grounds. planning, making smart purchases, sucks, especially as a young person, and when you mingle with middle class folks it's embarrassing and othering
if someone would benefit from advice about budgeting, I think it's good to tell them, you shouldn't feel obligated to stay silent because there's a difference of economic class between you.
you *should* be aware of the emotions involved (like I described above), but it's not some noble thing to watch friends make decisions that hurt them, if you come from a background where you received financial training, if anything you have an obligation to share that knowledge with the people you cross paths with
Entirely agree. I’ve also noticed as well that a lot of advice given to poor people (batch cooking, planning ahead, using electricity at weekends when it’s cheaper etc.) ignores the fact that money poverty often causes time poverty.
When you’re working 3 jobs to survive & coming home to a damp, freezing cold flat, you do *not* have the time or energy for batch cooking.
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I will never forget the COVID stimulus situation, where that one politician said "if $600 or $1,400 changes your life, you were pretty much screwed already". Like, no shit asshole, more than half the population of this nation is so screwed we can't even scrape together $400 for an emergency-- and these jerks act like they can just write off MOST PEOPLE as hopeless losers or some shit. They really don't see us as humans, just vermin.
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this post was 100% perfect as is.
I was on food stamps twice in the last year for about 2 months each.. And it is much more widely understood under that name than SNAP.
$292 a month for 1 adult. That is 100% accurate. A well run program on the logistics. The work search or classroom requirements? 40 hours/ month, basically federal minimum wage $7.30/hr, for your time.
Every poor person knows the price per ounce of EVERYthing they buy.
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And, if you want to see an overworked electronic device, a thing with 100+ apps, used for movies, games, books, podcasts, news. A phone that is doing the work of a personal computer, possibly even projected onto a screen - that's a poor person's phone.
Have to have a phone, so it is pressed into doing everything that is possible to do with it, because people in poverty have to press everything they have to have into triple duty, maximum efficiency.
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when I was out of poverty, a few years ago, I still lived like that every second of my life. How do you save on car insurance? Pay the full 6 months at a time. Your work boots are your only shoes, they were bought 2 years ago with 45% of the cost covered on a voucher from work, and this one brand of boot will last longer than 5 pairs of Payless shoes.
That thing Terry Pratchett said, about being poor is more expensive than being rich, every poor person knows it in their heart.
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@zakalwe every single poor person, of any race, every nationality, every gender, and forever after, knows the truth of this. It is bring tears to my eyes as I type.
This one observation, making the fundamental problem of poverty seen and understood by everyone, earned Terry Pratchett the loyalty of the book reading, English speaking world, and his works were translated into 43 other languages.
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This is as far as I can follow the conversation again, because the upstream post was from a person who's blocked me for gawds only know what reason.
Do businesses and corporations have a vested interest in US food banks?
Food campaigner Andy Fisher claims the relationship between corporations and food aid in the US is not always as healthy or as charitable as it seems.Andy Fisher (Lacuna Magazine)
That's exactly right. We can, yet we don't. It absolutely baffles me. I have always thought that the best way to have a strong, intelligent, educated populace is to feed, house, and educate absolutely everybody. I guess that makes me some sort of socialist, so that is frowned upon. 🤬
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Being on (German) social welfare was certainly a teaching experience for me. And I was still treated _relatively_ well by them - it could have been a lot worse.
Which is why I have no patience at all for the so-called " #Bürgergeld Reforms" currently discussed in Germany - i.e. making things worse for poor people out of bigotry while not actually saving any appreciable amount of government funds.
Sorry, but my experience is different than yours.
Yes, many poor people are absolutely as you describe. And for them, I totally agree with you.
But I experience also many who for a number of different reasons do lack money management skills. And they should get help to learn, or pick up skills they once had.
ignorant advice from a place of privilege is disgusting.
"Let them eat more cake"
yeah. i think obviously there's the dimension to this that people who've never been poor absorb societal messages that they must be finance geniuses because success is equated with mastery and wisdom rather than luck,
i also think there's a dimension where a rich person will find it hard to understand how necessary "luxuries" are and will see people spending on the occasional vice and think "but surely you should save that money," failing to understand it as a legit survival tool
It's maddening. People with this extreme privilege who usually make their money by stepping all over other people and think that they are "normal" and that something is wrong with us need to be yeeted into the sun.
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Yeah, I feel the truth of this 100%. Often due to being a part-time worker and in public housing...I can often navigate the limited amount of funds I have at my disposal every month (this is without food stamps, mind you). I did have an oopsie this month, which will make these 2-weeks interesting.
It's getting worse these days than in years past, to the point where I am really having to get to brass tacks. Going longer between buying clothing, entertainment, etc.
I get annoyed when people who've never been poor have the audacity to give me advice. They've never wondered if they would rather eat than pay their phone bill on time, or buy much fewer groceries and pay rent on time. 
"Food stamps" is pretty self-explanatory, especially in context; certainly a lot more than an acronym or even the full name of the US program
ok, I see where my comment could be confusing since I was addressing an imaginary out there people demeaning others for not having the means for a "normal" life, as I thought of the people remarked upon who assume drug use
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The trick is to live in a big public space together with all your friends and share the labor, the rewards, and the love. Then reap genuine enjoyment and physical/emotional growth from the work you're doing while you support others doing the same.
The problem is when you forced to compartmentalize the tasks, with the expectation that "exercising" and "working" and "socializing" and "eating" and "cleaning" are all distinct activities you micromanage. Living together with people you enjoy spending time around goes a long, long way towards killing many birds with few stones. Then making and eating and cleaning up food isn't something you do distinct from hanging out and relaxing. Biking around gets you energized and sends you where you need to go. Many hands make light work of seemingly onerous tasks. Hell, sharing a shower with your partner(s) can be as intimate as it is efficient.
But all of this is predicated on a foundation - social roots you build up over years/decades. Every time you change schools or look for a new job on the other side of the country or having a falling out with family/friends or switch housing leases because the rent went up or chase a new zip code because the school your kid goes to sucks or watch a close friend or old neighbor do the same, it fucks everything back up to square one.
People who have this close-knit, long-term social circle and don't need to constantly uproot themselves can "do it all" easier than the folks who are told to endlessly hustle in search of that next nut.
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The "exercise" part for most of the world just comes from the fact that every trip isn't just a walk to your mobile couch that takes you to another place with static couches.
I swear to god though. I'm not "weak" everywhere. The small muscles I use to move the mouse on my computer, shake my leg all day sitting because I don't want to sit, move my foot to drive, they are all MASSIVE for their size.
I'm so exhausted from trying to NOT move my body all day that I'm way too tired to do actual healthy exercise. Yoga, helps but it's just a means of keeping things from getting worse. If I could avoid all those awful things I'm sure yoga would improve things over time. But 90% of waking hours are forcing me to hurt my body.
For every 1 time I remember to squat instead of bend my back there are 100 times I'm too focused to get distracted for 30 minutes at how I need to do better.
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I think most people don't. I live in a small house with my wife, no kids, and even that gets overwhelming somehow. Some days are just lost to work, cleaning, and maintenance.
We do aim to have at least a couple of days a week where we don't have to do anything at all. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't, it doesnt take long for burnout to set in.
What you describe is accurate for non-wealthy, mid-class and above.
It's working as designed.
It's hard. And it's an ultra-nightmare setting playing irl with ADHD on.
Eh, it's not so bad. I build walking time into my commute everyday, and most of my meals are quick, easy, and cheap with minimal time required for preparation and cleanup. I do my more time-intense cooking, grilling, and smoking for fun meals on the weekends.
I stay relatively tidy anyway, so most cleaning tasks aren't too arduous, and I keep a few evenings available during the week to hang out with friends, play vidya, or watch movies.
I'm sure all of this will go out the window when we have our first kid in six months or so, but at the moment I'm feeling like my life is pretty balanced, all things considered.
Thanks! 😀
It never fails that once I finally start feeling like I've gotten control over my life, the universe finds a way to throw me a curve that starts me over at the beginning again.
I suppose that's what keeps life interesting and keeps me growing as a person.
Do at least two at once
Have enough space
Use company time to do all of them
Nothing about the American lifestyle helps with any of this.
Exercise should happen during commute, social time, any time you're sitting and not doing anything important, a real job that requires you actually do things.
Social also overlaps nicely with food.
Because it was taken from us. We used to divide labor, taking care of the home was considered a full time job for 1 adult.
Now here we are. Where it now takes 2 incomes, or frankly more, to raise a family and have a home. Now you have no time to do anything and purchase more expensive convince items to try to claw back time.
1 income should be enough if they want us to start having kids again
What the hell are you spending your time on?
Even my anxiety, ADHD, depressed ass manages to find time to socialize a bit. That's accounting for several hours a day of being stuck before acting.
Wait if I assume you are Americans, do you have limited work hours per day over there?
Wait if I assume you are Americans, do you have limited work hours per day over there?
Yes and no. Depends wildly based on industry, job type, and income level. Generally we stick to a 40-hour a week at your place of work, unless you're a wage earner (which could be much more or less). That said, it doesn't always work that way.
The worst case is a suburban or rural lifestyle that is one hour (or more!) from the office, where logistics (e.g. groceries, auto maintenance, healthcare) and friends are almost as far away from home. That adds up to a ton of time in transit, with a handful of hours to yourself each working day for the rest, if you want to sleep a healthy amount. Then you add kids, daycare, after-school activities, and there's literally no free time left.
Just don’t be lazy, obviously
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Not who you replied to but I never knew that term. I haven't bothered to read up much on ADHD oddly (over the years) but once I realized I had it the medication helped immensely. Mean I did read a bit but that was like 15 years ago and all now.
Least this area helps me understand that much of my usual stuff may be from ADHD and all. Like sometimes I read stuff and go huh I didn't think that may be why. Mean probably not always but still it helps knowing similar people have those issues.
We aren't.
I cook, my husband cleans. So we both eat. Cooking for everyone else so I do remember to eat too.
I work out because I prioritize it. Same with sleep. Let other things slide if you have to, I promise they won't slide as bad as if you don't work out and sleep.
We have someone come and clean every other week so it doesn't get too far out of control.
And not good at keeping up with people, oh well. I'm not really someone who collects people like that, though I have some friends who do, so got collected, lol. But we have parties once in awhile and catch up at those, or at least hang out.
Cook enough food for the week in one go.
I work out for an hour at the gym where I work.
Wash up right before going to bed.
Vacuum the house once a week on Saturday morning.
I exercise at work during lunch. It's really hard to get motivated every single time, but always worth it.
Cook with the kids as soon as we get home. Multitasking is actually good decompression for me.
Have to shower before bed or I can't sleep.
Cleaning the house is a constant unfulfilling battle that I haven't figures out yet.
Friends visit often, but also disc golf has been a great way to goof off in the woods regularly.
Apart from what @hayvan@feddit.nl said, it's also important to understand how a human brain works.
Massively oversimplifying, you have a "primate" brain, good at complex and novel things like logic, casuality, motivation etc; and a "reptile" brain, good at just keeping you alive by repeating the same thing over and over. Crucially, the primate brain takes up a lot of energy and other resources when it works, so your reptile brain will shut it down wherever possible. The trick is to use your primate brain to form habits by repetition, which the reptile brain will pick up, because that's literally the only thing it's good at.
To form a (good) habit, you need three things: first, motivation. You need to understand why doing some action is good for you. Second, a trigger - some concrete event that "breaks the flow" of your life, e.g waking up, coming home from work, or just a loud alarm you set on your phone; this is needed for your reptile brain to wake up your primate brain so that it could use the motivation you have to force your body to do something. Third (and this is the hard part) repetition. If you force yourself to do the action every time a trigger occurs, your reptile brain will eventually start catching on. Remember, it is wired to simply repeat what you have been doing before, because you've survived up until now so it must be a good thing to do. This can take different amounts of repititions depending on various facrors, somewhere between dozens and hundreds. After that, you will start doing the action almost automatically when the trigger happens.
E.g. I exercise when I take a break from work in the middle of the day. To do that, I forced myself to do exercise whenever I took a break for like a month. Now I get this natural urge to do push-ups when I stand up from my table 😀
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This is such a wonderfully funny story. Yes, octopuses are scary clever.
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in reply to baguettefish • • •They ruled the planet for 150 million years and didn’t ruin the environment once ? What are they even doing?
We’re clearly superior, who else could speed run the mass extinction end game?
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in reply to scratchee • • •They survived the K-T extiction event or K-Pg event which killed perhaps 75% of species in earth 66 million years ago.
While we are already causing an extinction event which will probably turn out far worse, by causing temperatures to rise to a level higher than in hundreds of millions of years - far outside the range modern life has adapted to. And I am not so sure that we ourselves can survive that in the long run. Humans are incredibly adaptable, that's right. But our food sources are not, not even things like grasses, wheat, or trees, let alone mammals, the great mayority of them (except perhaps algae and mushrooms) are far younger in an evolutionary sense, so it is unlikely they can adapt.
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Because English is a bastard if a language octopuses and octopi are fine too.
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Ahk-top-o-deez nutz.
English can always make things worse.
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in reply to Fleur_ • • •They probably have several checkpoints to scan every hour or half hour, I've seen places with RFID checkpoints that security has to tap on a regular basis. The idea is that security has to not spend the whole night at the desk.
Now they are likely looking for people breaking in, not a small octopus breaking out, so it might not get noticed.
CileTheSane
in reply to LadyButterfly she/her • • •like this
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in reply to CileTheSane • • •Every animal can react to their environment, including avoiding predators. Not all of them do it perfectly, but it is a basic survival skill for mobile life forms.
In the wild an octopus often hides in a tight space to protect itself and wanders out to feed, then returns to their safe location afterwards. They avoid predators while doing so. Lots of animals will be less active when predators are out and about, or will be active during times where it is more difficult for the predators to hunt.
Yes, an octopus is a very clever animal but really we should stop killing them because we are absolutely crushing their populations.
CileTheSane
in reply to [deleted] • • •The stories I here about Octopi make them sound more like an intelligent creature we don't understand rather than "lots of creatures escape their cages to go hunting and then return before anyone notices. This is natural behavior for an animal."
Yes, the mind of an octopus is unknowable, and it could be just acting on instinct. It could also have some measure of sentience, and there is no way to really know. As such maybe we should err on the side of caution and not keep them in little pens for us to gawk at.
ameancow
in reply to CileTheSane • • •I do agree we need to respect them a lot more and make a much stronger public message that they're not food and certainly shouldn't be tortured and treated as inhumanely as we routinely do.
As someone who studied a lot of neurology, I could make a very strong argument that much of our behavior, no matter how well-reasoned we think it is, no matter how complex it is, is actually also just a very sophisticated system for facilitating our instinctual needs. The brain has a very real tendency to post-hoc justify our decisions and actions so much that we never notice it, but if you start to explore it, you will realize really quick that a lot of what we do and think we're choosing to do, are just products of very basic wants.
This isn't to diminish either them nor us, only to say that whatever is going inside that incredibly ancient brain of theirs, it's still a lot like us and needs to be respected as such.
SpaceCowboy
in reply to [deleted] • • •It could also hide from predators in an aquarium where it will be brought food every day and get medicine from a veterinarian if it gets sick. An Aquarium is the safest place for the octopus to live, so why wouldn't it's survival instinct tell it to live there to hide from predators?
We should set up an experiment with an aquarium that allows the octopus access to the ocean. Do you really think the Octopus would run away from the aquarium where it's safe from predators and gets fed every day?
FatVegan
in reply to CileTheSane • • •CileTheSane
in reply to FatVegan • • •SpaceCowboy
in reply to CileTheSane • • •The octopus went back to it's tank after getting a snack. That's at least some indication the octopus likes living there.
You are assuming the octopus prefers living out in the wild where it could be eaten alive. Who are you to assume what an animal wants?
Are you currently living in some kind rectangular structure where you have easy access to regular meals? Why are you living in this way and assuming an octopus wouldn't also prefer this? There's nothing preventing you from leaving the rectangular structure you're currently living in and going out into the wilds and fending for yourself to survive. Why don't you do the thing you're assuming the octopus wants to do?
thejoker954
in reply to SpaceCowboy • • •flambonkscious
in reply to SpaceCowboy • • •Or it was too much of a gamble raw-dogging it in the outside.
All it did was take the 'bait' it was aware of and sneak back undetected. For all we know it might have been exploring, but in a hostile environment you wouldn't venture far...
SpaceCowboy
in reply to flambonkscious • • •Yes and for all we know the octopus prefers to live in a place safe from predators, always has lots of food, and a veterinarian on call when it gets sick.
It's strange to me that people anthropomorphize animals to make big claims about the animal wanting to live in the wild. If you release that animal into the wild it will likely be eaten or starve but everyone assumes the animal wants that based on absolutely nothing.
Why not anthropomorphize animals under the assumption they would want a life similar to what we've built for ourselves? Is the validity of the complete guesses about what an animal wants gain merit based on how holier than thou the people making the guesses are acting about it?
Bottom line, the octopus is safer living in an aquarium with ample food than living in an environment amongst predators where food is scarce. All animals have a strong survival instinct (they'd be extinct if they didn't) so it's more likely if an animal could communicate it's preferences, it would choose the option where it's most likely to survive for a very long time, so i
... Show more...Yes and for all we know the octopus prefers to live in a place safe from predators, always has lots of food, and a veterinarian on call when it gets sick.
It's strange to me that people anthropomorphize animals to make big claims about the animal wanting to live in the wild. If you release that animal into the wild it will likely be eaten or starve but everyone assumes the animal wants that based on absolutely nothing.
Why not anthropomorphize animals under the assumption they would want a life similar to what we've built for ourselves? Is the validity of the complete guesses about what an animal wants gain merit based on how holier than thou the people making the guesses are acting about it?
Bottom line, the octopus is safer living in an aquarium with ample food than living in an environment amongst predators where food is scarce. All animals have a strong survival instinct (they'd be extinct if they didn't) so it's more likely if an animal could communicate it's preferences, it would choose the option where it's most likely to survive for a very long time, so it would choose living in an aquarium.
If a I scream "RELEASING ANIMALS INTO THE WILD IS MURDER!!!!!!" over and over again, does that make it a more compelling argument?
flambonkscious
in reply to SpaceCowboy • • •Yes, but it's even more simplistic (I agree with wider principle you're using).- The octopus is going to have a much harder time finding a safe environment.
Unless it stays in the fish aquarium - I wonder why it didn't just stay where the tasty snacks were? (Not wanting to project a humanised, moralistic perspective on its delightfully naughty behaviour...).
Maybe there was nothing good to hide under, perhaps?
CileTheSane
in reply to SpaceCowboy • • •What I said was : they should not be kept in captivity for our amusement.
Where's the big claim?
jordanlund
in reply to flambonkscious • • •I heard a story about an octopus escaping into a library and was found fumbling through the books.
I can only imagine if it comprehended what it was looking at... "Oh, crap, THAT'S what they use ink for!"
CileTheSane
in reply to SpaceCowboy • • •I am quite literally not doing that. I am saying "we don't know so we shouldn't imprison it for our amusement" which does not strike me as a very extreme statement.
ameancow
in reply to CileTheSane • • •And especially should not be farmed or eaten alive for clicks on youtube. We have made significant progress as a society reducing the barbaric practice of eating shark-fin soup and other exotic animal products, and made great strides in ending torturing sea mammals in amusement parks. We have to add octopus to this list of things we now know better about.
Octopus have feelings and are higher animals with unique personalities and ways of experiencing the world. They are curious, they are intelligent, they dream and seem to show emotions in a variety of ways.
And our last common ancestor didn't even have a backbone. This fact alone should amaze us and give us hope for the greater universe - that we can share so much with something so very distant from us gives hope that if we ever do contact aliens, we might share more than we think.
jordanlund
in reply to CileTheSane • • •And they do all that with a CRIMINALLY short lifespan. 😟
octonation.com/octopus-lifespa…
"For example, the Common Octopus, Mimic Octopus, and Blue-Ringed Octopus live for around 12 – 18 months whereas the Giant Pacific Octopus can have a lifespan of 3-5 years!"
How Long Do Octopus Live? Life Expectancy, Mating, and Deep-Sea Survivors
Corinne Klein (OctoNation - The Largest Octopus Fan Club!)PieMePlenty
in reply to LadyButterfly she/her • • •Agent641
in reply to PieMePlenty • • •Can confirm, have been a guard.
'Rounds' were check boxes on a piece of paper. TF do I care whether doors are secure, it's not my department store.
corsicanguppy
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in reply to LadyButterfly she/her • • •If i was a multi Billionaire i would dedicate my vast wealth to building an Institute that breeds only the most intelligent octopi with each other.
They don't live so long, so generations go by fast. I bet we could speedrun evolution if we just put our money where our tentacles are.
Agent641
in reply to BogeyTheSwear • • •Silic0n_Alph4
in reply to Agent641 • • •Perhaps, but one must consider BogeyTheSwear’s Cephalopod:
IronBird
in reply to Silic0n_Alph4 • • •Silic0n_Alph4
in reply to IronBird • • •Ahahaha c’mon, what would the odds of that be..?
Anyway, I hope you’re ready to fund the Cephalopod Enrichment Programme because no other choice is permissible.
dustycups
in reply to Silic0n_Alph4 • • •Edit: Stupid Jerboa, I thought it failed the first time.
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in reply to BogeyTheSwear • • •Found the cephalopod.
CheeseNoodle
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in reply to LadyButterfly she/her • • •Even if the dictionaries are starting to give in, I refuse to accept 'octopi' as a word mainly because--I'm not making this up--there's a really satisfying climactic scene in the Orson Scott Card horror novel 'Lost Boys' which hinges on it being an incorrect pluralization.
Mimic Octopus
xkcdHugeNerd
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in reply to LadyButterfly she/her • • •Seems so
nhm.ac.uk/discover/octopuses-k…
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/…
bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/…
BBC Radio 4 - Other Minds: The Octopus And The Evolution Of Intelligent Life by Peter Godfrey-Smith - 10 incredible facts about Octopuses
BBCgandalf_der_12te
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Zerush
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in reply to SaharaMaleikuhm • • •The only actual requirement is to be 35, which...
... ew.
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in reply to LadyButterfly she/her • • •I’m not scared
Definitely not scared… 😳
SkaveRat
in reply to monkeyslikebananas2 • • •TargaryenTKE
in reply to LadyButterfly she/her • • •I taught an octopus piano (It took 6 months)
Mattias Krantz (YouTube)explodicle
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in reply to explodicle • • •youtube.com/shorts/c98qnyLLTPg
Apologies for the ear bleeding voice over. But it is a cool video showing an octopus opening a jar.
Octopus IQ Test |🤯🤯| #shorts
Mr. Aju Campus (YouTube)Jankatarch
in reply to LadyButterfly she/her • • •thespcicifcocean
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in reply to thespcicifcocean • • •Did you know that octopi has long been included in many dictionaries also?
Language is only half etymology and half vibes
sik0fewl
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in reply to BeeegScaaawyCripple • • •Bysmuth
in reply to thespcicifcocean • • •After a little research it seems that "octopi" and "octopuses" have been so widely used and for so long, that dictionaries include all of them as correct. An article from merriam webster even pragmatically suggests referring to them as "octopodes" is less likely to be understood so stick with "octopi" or "octopuses". Also, it seems "octopodes" is the more widely accepted "correct" plural and "octopoda" refers to the genus.
But it's an interesting topic, i wish to subscribe to octopus etymology facts(or any interesting reads)
mindbleach
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in reply to SkaveRat • • •Same, although I think the 1st book would have been better if it didn't focus so much on the humans for at least the first half of the book.
Like I think it would have had more impact if we were guessing what was happening off planet instead of 'seeing' it.
Tom Arrr
in reply to thejoker954 • • •Loved all three though regardless.
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