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Denmark has a few words to say to the US about Trump demanding $500 bil from Ukraine..

#USA #Denmark #Ukraine
EDIT: NOTE: Link to original tweet down in the thread

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in reply to SnowshadowII

I don’t think many non-MAGA Americans get yet that, from an outsider’s perspective, all Americans are MAGA now, or will be very soon.
in reply to Greengordon

@Greengordon
My opinion:
Not all Americans are or will be MAGA- your comment is very unfair and will only hurt USians living in Canada..
Imagine if the liberals lost this year's election and the world said "All Canadians are Maple MAGA Nazis"...how would you feel about being accused of something that horrible?
The US is our enemy like Germany was to Europe but please don't' paint all Americans with the same brush. That said, we have to protect ourselves from the US so there's no helping blue states because they need to pressure Trump's admin to stop.
Remember, we are sheltering Americans in Canada so words count, we don't want people turning against those who trust us with their very lives.
in reply to SnowshadowII

@Greengordon agreed. You can think we are all maga but we aren't. Does it make a difference to what the govt does? Right now, no. Hopefully that changes.
Btw there is a term for judging a person based on their country of origin. If/when this fire is put out, maybe you should think about that.
in reply to demofox

@demofox @Greengordon

I thought so, it's always good to check.

And hopefully, greengordon is reflecting on what, <checks thread>, three of us have said.

Thanks for speaking up, and I am sorry you were put in a place you felt it was necessary.

in reply to demofox

@demofox
I don't think all Americans are MAGA. The point I was trying to make (poorly) is that the further down the fascist road the US goes, and the more they attack Canada, the more Canadians will see all Americans as MAGA. This is what happened to Germans during Hitler's reign.
in reply to SnowshadowII

At some point the distinction between Good Germans and Nazis became irrelevant, no? If the US annexes Canada or continues to wage economic warfare...how long will Canadians feel forgiving toward Americans?

"The US is our enemy like Germany was to Europe"

in reply to Greengordon

@Greengordon
Yes, it did become irrelevant h9owever I prefer we don't go down that road just yet.
Yes there is a threat but no one is actually physically invading our country.
Yes, we are being threatened economically however we have options and our PM is working on that.
REcently someone made a silly comment about spying on neighbours who moved here from the US.
I don't want fear and anger to escalate into what could very easily become harassment or violence.
Like I said we have people fleeing here for sanctuary. Let's be careful what we say, that's all I was trying to get across
I had a school mate whose father was in a Candian Japanese WWII camp. I don't want that to happen again.
in reply to Greengordon

@Greengordon o you’re just being a bit of a doomer. well that's not interesting.
good luck with it though.

@SnowshadowII

in reply to binchicken

@thegarbagebird
The road to fascism is lined with people telling the rest of us to calm down and stop over-reacting. That hasn’t worked out well in the US.
in reply to SnowshadowII

it is, but only presupposing that the options are either doomerism or looking the other way.

what about if you are taking steps to build resilient communites? or like, food-banking? getting involved on a local level, showing up to council meetings? school boards? even just checking in with more marginalised or vulnerable neighbours, seeing how they're doing?

i am not asking @Greengordon to calm down, i am hoping they have stepped up.

sure, it probably won't stop america from invading canada (not touching that) but it will be helping solve the problems that make the growing conditions ideal for fascism to take root.

in reply to binchicken

@thegarbagebird
Recent post from @maleve

"Finished a meeting with one American from head office and three Canadians. He made multiple comments about #trump annexing Canada, then ended the meeting saying welcome to America."

This sort of thing will make Canadians loathe pretty much all Americans pretty quick.

in reply to Greengordon

@Greengordon
Quite a few of us get it. It's depressing as fuck, but I certainly understand why. We fucking elected the guy twice.
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@Greengordon outsider here.
that's straight up not true. i have no idea why you would say that.
who does it benefit to say that?

@SnowshadowII

in reply to binchicken

@thegarbagebird
Have you not seen the anger exhibited by Canadians? Did you not notice that Canada’s mini-Trump went from a huge lead in the polls to being tied because Canadians hate and fear Trump and the US government?
in reply to Greengordon

@Greengordon i am trying not to be rude here but if you consider yourself a fair representative of canada’s response to the rise of the right then you lost this fight before you knew it was happening.

not canada broadly, just you.
i am not writing off your whole country on the basis of your posts, that would be silly.

@SnowshadowII

in reply to SnowshadowII

oh, nah that's just the way i talk, don't worry.
i am pretty abrasive, it's something I'm working on. the australian cultural affection of casual profanity, part of the chip on the shoulder of the entire country.

i harbour no ill-will, i certainly don't think you were telling me to fuck off. i am however, still going to fuck off regardless. it's my primary mode of egress these days.

hooroo!
@Greengordon

in reply to binchicken

@thegarbagebird
Where did I say anything like this?

"if you consider yourself a fair representative of canada’s response"

I specifically mentioned polls and other Canadians.

in reply to SnowshadowII

What's weird is that today's dictators are treating wars as the extermination of a people rather than the completion of strategic objectives.
in reply to Winter Trabex

@trabex
According to historical records this is not new, but in today's world I do find it appalling and alarming some of us haven't progressed beyond that point.
in reply to SnowshadowII

I say this as a citizen and resident of the U.S. The U.S. is an asshole. It is two-faced, self-serving, and utterly untrustworthy in every sense of that word. If you care about your country at all, you should tell your leaders to have as little to do with the U.S. as possible. Do not buy U.S. goods and services. Do not entry treaties, agreements, accords, etc. with the U.S.

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in reply to SnowshadowII

Not shown: The many refugees of this invasion that Europe has been accomodating. This should absolutely count, too.
in reply to Jay 🇺🇦

@Soulshine Yes!! That is a huge burden on all citizens of Europe. Thanks for pointing this out.
in reply to SnowshadowII

It is and it isn't but I'm not anti-immigration. We're getting the Ukrainian people's absolute heroism at a minuscule price. They pay with their lives defending Europe and I will never forget that.

Also I work in healthcare and HOLY SHIT we are so fucked if idiots keeps voting against immigration...there is noone left doing the work.

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in reply to Jay 🇺🇦

@Soulshine
We have a huge Ukrainian population in Canada plus a LOT of refugees, and I didn't take your comment as anti-immigration.
When I said they were a burden I was thinking of the trainloads of refugees who had no where to go after Russia first attacked (again!)
Ukrainian refugees give more to back Canada than they take.
They are helping fill skilled jobs vacancies.

(Of course I am not biased, my grandparents were Ukrainian., haha)

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in reply to SnowshadowII

Context: We just voted the next government here in Germany last Sunday and Putin's propaganda has given his nazi shills a huge push. They successfully made others join in on their monothematic immigration bs and ignore the climate, etc. Not saying immigration from other countries is bad but imho, Ukraine does not even count. Putin made it clear he wants the continent. They are defending us and we pretend we're giving them handouts. Still, it makes Trump's numbers even more fake.

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in reply to Jay 🇺🇦

@Soulshine Putin is a history buff and wants to restore Russia to its "former glory" .
Yes, Ukraine is defending the entire western world and too many don't realize this, or want him to win, not sure which.
in reply to Jay 🇺🇦

@Soulshine Convincing the US citizens that supporting Ukraine is somehow expensive was an insane victory for Kremlin propaganda warfare. When in reality it is dirt cheap for the US to make a huge difference for the Ukraine. They can literally just send old equipment that the US troops wouldn't use anyways

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in reply to SnowshadowII

eh, my sources say it is actually a tie:

understandingwar.org/backgroun…

now, that is financial aid, and as far as I'm concerned Europe also has helped in other ways, such as accepting ukrainians into their territory, ceasing imports from Russia etc (which I'd guess are greater than the US extra financial efforts)

still, I think we should be using the correct numbers, also because otherwise politicians may overstate their own contributions (aka "mine is bigger")

in reply to hsolerkalinovski

Well, of course you will dispute numbers.
I question your numbers because from your "Who we are " page

" We are committed to improving the nation’s ability to execute military operations and respond to emerging threats in order to achieve U.S. strategic objectives"

And looking through your list of Board members simply confirms my suspicion --Retired US General and so on...

That tells me you are incorrect and untrustworthy.
So try your propaganda on someone who reads only headlines.

Edit: Interesting you say your from brazil.

@GottaLaff
look at this BS!⬆️

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in reply to SnowshadowII

@GottaLaff judge a research by the quality of its methodology, not by the ideology of its researchers.

The report in question provides the sources of all information therein right next to each statement, so you can check them for yourself if you feel suspicious enough.

The 180 billion$ US aid statement is backed by

ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/

which is a government website used by researchers

Your turn, which sources can you provide which are better than mine and contradict me?

in reply to hsolerkalinovski

@hsolerkalinovski @GottaLaff

I remember you from about 2 maybe three years ago. We had a similar discussion., you don't remember me because I had a different handle but I remember you and your disinfo BS.

NO NO Sweetie, we are not going to play THAT GAME.

Bye bye.

in reply to SnowshadowII

Wholeheartedly agree. Hard to see a way out of this mess. Gotta keep fighting the small fights we can to break down the big problems.
in reply to SnowshadowII

Trump has no clue. He is pushing his own agenda and that of a few billionaires. I am in Canada, and we have a massive boycott against US products and services. Tariffs will destroy the US economy, and our nation is opening new trade partners and deals. We can not put our trust into the US in such big export ways.

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SnowshadowII

@Extra_Special_Carbon

Bingo!! Yes!! That is why Trump's claims are so ridiculous.
Thank you for making this point.

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SnowshadowII

Yes, Americans put Japanese in camps, so did Canada.
That fear is and the result of it is what I am trying to prevent by telling Canadians to calm down. Not all Americans are MAGA..

Was that the reason why you dropped the link into my replies?

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@Extra_Special_Carbon
All of that money going to US manufacturing is keeping people employed and paying taxes.

They then spend their salaries with local businesses keeping the economy running.

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SnowshadowII

Edit: clarity

I will do my best to prevent it.
I am old. I had a childhood friend whose father was released from one of those camps, before my friend was born.
It won't happen here if I have anything to say about it.

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in reply to SnowshadowII

These Euröpeans cannot make a deal, vety very stupid they cannot ...
in reply to SnowshadowII

I have been unable to find this quote in Danish media.

Jarlov (whom I otherwise have grave reservations against) has been commedably clear against Trump on other points, so I'm not ruling it out at all.

But I would greatly appreciate a better source.

in reply to Sune Auken

Also, I may just be looking in the wrong places. Loads of paywalls to get around.
in reply to Sune Auken

@SuneAuken I will see what I can do. bookmarked your request and will look for the person who gave it to me tonight. If for some reason I am distracted and forget please could you get back to me tomorrow with a reminder?
in reply to SnowshadowII

I absolutely will.

And I will do you one better: Though I find Jarlov reprehensible on numerous other issues I will praise him for this publicly and in Danish if I can only get a secure source. Because if he said this, or anything even close to it, he absoutely deserves praise.

in reply to Sune Auken

Oh and one more fun detail. I have long considered him a pretty bad sexist (there are some awful quotes) but looking for the other quote I found Andrew F... Tate calling him effimate in much less polished words.

Anyone that can make Andrew Tate speak ill of them deserves my praise.

in reply to Sune Auken

@SuneAuken

Ok I did something I never do...opened a link to Xitter.. YECK Here is the original tweet link and I don't have an account so I couldn't copy the image.

x.com/RasmusJarlov/status/1893…

in reply to SnowshadowII

Thank you. Much obliged.

Pity, indeed that it is on the nazi-site because it makes praising him harder.

But a promise is a promise and I will praise him for this.

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in reply to Sune Auken

No, I don't have an account either. It's my print screen function.
in reply to Sune Auken

@SuneAuken

For some reason I have a mental block with that!!! SMH. I never get it right!! I understand the steps to take and screw it up every time.

in reply to SnowshadowII

Tell me about it. I had no Idea I could actually do that until I wanted it really bad right now
in reply to Sune Auken

@SuneAuken

I respect anyone who asks for a source. I do my very best to make sure I provide accurate information from credible sources and I always welcome anyone fact checking. I am not perfect. And I try to fact check everything, because well, you know...social media, right?

in reply to SnowshadowII

So do I with the caveat "asks for a source in good faith". And yeah, SoMe. I even found myself sharing it because I liked the statement and only then beginning to doubt it. I deleted my boost, but I will renew it now.
in reply to Sune Auken

@SuneAuken
"in good faith"
Yes!! Sealions often begin with source please then question the source and we all know where that leads to.🤦‍♀️ 😅
in reply to SnowshadowII

Sealions are the worst.

(And me being such a lover of actual sealions. I adore sea lions, Sea lions should sue the bloody sea lions for smearing their good name.)

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in reply to Sune Auken

@SuneAuken

I have a simple reply that really annoys the soc. media sealions...a link to the 9 categories of reply guys, sealion being one.. So when I encounter one I drop the link as a reply wait until I am sure they read it and block.

I like the ocean kind of sea lion too. I used to live on the west coast and would sit on the rocks and watch them playing in the water, or come up on a wharf to lay in the sun. Interesting creatures.

in reply to SnowshadowII

Would you share that link too. I'd like to have it.

Yes, greedy b'tard, I know.

in reply to Sune Auken

@SuneAuken

Sure I will share it however I am going to send it via a DM because usually when I send it in a reply people who know me see it as a signal to block the account and I don't want to do that to happen.

BtW...your profile made me laugh "recovering mansplainer" 😂
So watch for the DM

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in reply to SnowshadowII

it looks like the USA (and with that I mean the current government or regime) angered the Vikings. And they are furious. Usually the Danes are polite people (from a German perspective).
in reply to SnowshadowII

I agree with Denmark. I just sent that quote from Denmark to the Office of the President and lost my temper in my little note. Unfortunately, I also wrote that Trump was nothing but a convicted rapist and a shambling, knuckle dragging monster. If you would like to "opine", to Trump, send an online note to the Office of the President here: whitehouse.gov/contact/ .

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@Glurbo1

I hope you are using a VPN, Tor, and a junk email address. You don't want the authorities knocking on your door.

in reply to SnowshadowII

When are they going to ask Israel for their money back?

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in reply to SnowshadowII

Lend Lease wasn't free. Several payment made and YK finished paying off a wartime loan in 2002
in reply to SnowshadowII

Funny how the US never asks Israel to pay back the money America gives it, but it seems that the US's relationship with everyone else is 100% transactional. They don't have friends or allies - just customers or marks.
in reply to SnowshadowII

It’s not about doing the right thing, not at all. it’s about extorting people in extreme need for his power and advantage. It’s also about allowing an evil country to murder and generally abuse its neighbor, because as the head Russian mole in the US, this is where he lives, in love with extortion and his heart belongs to Putin.

Comprehensive labels: quintessential corrupt, mob boss, psychopath, immoral and despicable, egomaniac Capitalist.

in reply to SnowshadowII

I know, just reinforcing your message from Denmark with my own outrage. 🙂
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in reply to SnowshadowII

It’s exasperating trying to use logic to convince illogical people of their folly. Please don’t think that most of us are idiots. 350m citizens, 70m who voted for the asshole. Although liberalism seem to grab hold in the 60s, the other side has been pushing back since the beginning, and frankly liberals have not been able to make it work in the face of unbridled capitalists. We’re in deep shit and I pray we don’t take the world down with us.
in reply to Huntn00

@Huntn00
and there we go. I sent you my post about this and you ignored my boundaries.
in reply to Huntn00

Supertramp ; "History recalls how great the fall can be " 😇
in reply to djans

@djans You will have to speak to him alone because he is ignoring my request. Ia m blocking him.@Huntn00
in reply to Huntn00

@Huntn00 I just posted this

beige.party/@SnowshadowII/1140…


I am done explaining to some Americans we do not need to be educated about US politics and how projecting their national wilful ignorance onto Canadians and other countries is insulting and arrogant.
A lifetime of tolerating that attitude.

Done.

Last night tested the limits of my patience.

Blocking for my peace of mind

#USA


in reply to SnowshadowII

The US is infected with a serious illness. It involves STUPID about 70m of them at last count, who perceive that democracy has taken something from them and somehow think that putting a corrupt habitual liar in charge, who dreams of being a dictator will lead to a better outcome for them. There is racism and white privilege involved in the calculation, and at this point, the only possible cure will be pain and suffering inflicted on us because of their poor choices. 😔
in reply to SnowshadowII

To be clear, most Americans support Ukraine. trump and his comrades are the Aholes
in reply to KChernecky For Democracy

@PeasLuvnJustice
TO BE CLEAR: People outside the US border are beginning to block Americans who continue to project their ignorance about geopolitics on other counties.

It comes off as arrogant and insulting.

in reply to SnowshadowII

Here is the source of the infographic (plus other nice infographics): usnews.com/news/best-countries…

And here is the data source: ifw-kiel.de/publications/ukrai…

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