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There may be hope with what we could see
Those of us with civilization have it so hard to imagine ourselves not having civilization for anything. But there were many more generations of humans who never had civilization, and thrived still without so much work, than all the generations with civilization. We can learn the ways to have what we can be comfortable with, making things that we can and growing things, without that dependence on civilization, that we would not be lost when civilization is lost.

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Many should be separate for more sustainability that's needed
There is a tipping point we would be very close to. Cities are not sustainable and they will not just start being sustainable enough. Taking more than what this world continually provides can't go on. But staying with civilization is just trying to do that. Many should really depart from it and be growing all the things for themselves with those along with them.
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The 8 billion people on our planet are demanding more from it than it can provide. Find out more, and what can be done.
Population Matters

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Impact on natural environments should not be so much
All that is with civilization just as animal agriculture has such a great environmental impact. We should see how we would be involved with what has almost no environmental impact, with simple living along with others away from civilization, with what we produce there ourselves, that we can do that.
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Barbarism, meaning oxymoronic unto itself

‘Barbarism’

Is its meaning ‘absence of civilization’, or ‘extreme cruelty and brutality’? It’s the only word I can think of that is oxymoronic unto itself. Unlikely pre-civ humanways were as cruel and brutal en masse as rotating cohorts of civilized humans have been and continue to be. Barbarism’s commonly connoted meaning manifests not so much in wild humans, as in civilization’s enforced compliance with authoritarianism, power hierarchy, domination and exploitation. It’s not like groups of humans at war or whatever return indigenous. They get uber violent, rape pillage & plunder as civilized beings. After they get it out of their system, most return to civilization’s preferred norms, proud tax paying citizens. Civilization has barbarism built in.

On the edge of oblivion and all the world is Babylon, and all the love and everyone a ship of fools sailing on.

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Resources are not enough to continue with how we have things
The use of resources from all of us in civilization is taking more than what this world continually provides. It is not rocket science to understand this can't go on. But staying with civilization is just trying to do that. Many should really depart from it and be growing all the things for themselves with those along with them. populationmatters.org/the-fact…

Resources - Population Matters

The 8 billion people on our planet are demanding more from it than it can provide. Find out more, and what can be done.
Population Matters

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We need to be here in a different way
Efforts to save civilization may be noble, while still with it continuing there is more destruction and ruining this world. It might not continue so long, but many people, if they leave cities and anything of civilization to live on land in small groups growing all they can there to subsist that way separately, would continue on, while civilization will not go on past the catastrophic disasters. It could not last forever in this limited world as it gets ruined with the demands that always will come with civilization. The technology that ruins this world cannot be what can save it.
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Theoretical Physicists Say 90% Chance of Societal Collapse Within Several Decades

Deforestation and rampant resource use is likely to trigger the 'irreversible collapse' of human civilization unless we rapidly change course.
Nafeez Ahmed (VICE)

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Living differently is needed
The government is not very responsive to the scientific community. There would be collapse from what can be seen now. We are in a world that is not unlimited, and we should not just be using everything. Using it like there is no tomorrow is what is happening still while voices of the concerned are yet disregarded. Resources dwindle and environments are being diminished, and there is a great rate of extinction of species, going on right now. Oceans are being depleted of fish and other creatures there.
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