To go on in this world it should not be like this


Any saying they can't see how to live in the way to continue on in the world would not belong in this world. If you do belong in this world there are ways to go on continuing with that. Being in civilization with it continuing is not such way. People going on without civilization is really possible and needed. And despite many hoping civilization should be built still after collapse, that would always be bad in this world, we can go on much better without any civilization.
quora.com/How-long-can-humanit…

Talk about this


How can there not be response in communication for what any of us can and might do for having a place for us to continue on with no matter what happens with any coming crisis, which would come to civilization, with our sustainable ways to continue on? This would actually be very positive action. Do you know of others doing anything for this? The cost there is of inaction is quite real. There should be enough motivation to have a place separate from cities, with seeing what is really actually happening in this world.
insideclimatenews.org/news/300…

It is worse than it has been thought to be


I keep seeing things that suggest more urgently change is needed, or being too late sooner than what was seen up to this. Are you seeing that? What is thought, with that? I hope these things are not being dismissed. We can come to needed change ourselves. It should not be left to others. They will disappoint you. We each have what we can do about it. Communication can help for that. Not as much carbon can be absorbed to store, it is now realized.
newscientist.com/article/24948…

Why remain when disasters would come?


Even when the change in global climate is definitely irreversible and things are worsening, would you really want to be staying still in civilization stuck in a city? With it becoming irreversible it will mean disasters in many places, among all the inhabited cities. There should be enough motivation to have a place separate from cities.
bbc.com/news/articles/cn4l927d…

What issues now will mean


With looking we would see the issues in the world to it and to the environments with resources being acquired from it and being used are why there is instability in civilization that will lead to collapse. And, nothing sufficient is being done about any of it, for a long time, and that will not change soon. What would be sufficient? With drastic change needed, there is nothing, with continuing the demands in civilization. This is reason to leave cities and have very small communities making things and growing what is needed, for not needing transportation still and be ing independent enough not to still need things from cities or any civilization. Growing enough for all that is required is important in that.
fiveable.me/origins-of-civiliz…

We should live to continue, not seek for any of us to have more now


So the desire to stay with all the things of civilization is strong. Even with knowing it can't go on, and there are the ways that we could, without it being limited from coming generations. It would have to be separate from civilization but with preparation we can have comfortable ways with that. Climate change fuels extreme weather and there is great loss of environments and extinction of species, with the civilization, and we should not be involved with that still.
earthjustice.org/feature/how-c…

Separate to not do as civilization is doing


There will be places for us better than where many people go to, visit, or camp at, while still meaning to go back to continue in cities, for us to get away to live apart from civilization, to continue independently, and doing that without harm to environments which happens with taking much. Growing what can be grown will be important.
britannica.com/science/biodive…

It will come, just how it will is not known for sure


There are ways collapse would come, rather than just one way, but the one way most likely is still with the involvement of us with civilization, that contributes to the problems in this world leading to it. People can continue on much better without maintained dependence on civilization. The needed change is with ourselves moving to what we should have to really continue on and have any things getting better. It would be apart from civilization.
aei.org/op-eds/three-ways-amer…

There is the worsening of the world we should not take part in


Everything in the world is affected with civilization continuing, but this civilization can't just go on still. We should not stay with it. Change in sizes of animals happens based on whether they are domesticated for being used, breeding them for slaughter more and more, or the vastly diminishing wildlife from the expansion of human civilization with its animal agriculture.
newatlas.com/biology/domestic-…

It can't be less than such great change for us to go on


I think any of the issues that I come to in my communication might be compelling enough that some would see there is such need for drastic change. Together they seem overwhelming to me. That civilization, which we are with, can not continue without serious crises that ultimately have it come to its collapse. Sustainability is what must be in the drastic change called for. We need the separation for that.
actonclimate.com/trumptracker/

On not getting out from cities


Any who are staying with civilization as a part of it can be watching this world worsen while nothing is changing that, and yet be surprised when disasters come right around home and in greater amount.

See there is concern to have


There are plenty of such who do not see there is collapse ahead likely soon. So population will peak and then decline worldwide from that happening, even sooner. If it reaches over ten billion people worldwide it will be more crowded with much demand from the land. We better not have the same demands that most have now, or collapse would come almost immediately, it will be way too many in the world to support that. Growing our own things living simply will be very, extremely, important, with or without civilization. We would do well with this being away from where collapse is so likely to be near.
news.un.org/en/story/2024/07/1…

Other ways still needed for truly being sustainable


Can we say something is sustainable if it cannot be many doing it? No, what is sustainable will work with everyone doing it. Living in cities is certainly not that. Wildlife is already drastically reduced, with environments being taken, and agriculture, mainly for the industries with animals being used, are the explanation. The real sustainable way, that all could do to continue on in this world, is with being independent from anything of the cities with growing all that can be grown where they are. Really all could be doing that, while some have to join with others for that. But such are the sustainable communities.
sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/…
marinebiodiversity.ca/7-devast…

We may do better than staying with this


Crises that are so great are becoming far too hard to avoid. They will impact civilization, but there can be sustainable communities that are not much impacted, with being independent growing enough for subsistence. Any of us can do better being in such.
earthyb.com/blog/environmental…

Do not go on not doing any change


If you care to continue in this world with families lasting it cannot be realistically with civilization. Sustainable ways independent from civilization are needed for that. So join together for using some land away from cities, and from farmers and ranchers, where everything can be managed independently with the small community you can be, with the things needed growing there, with good land and water there for it and the right amount of sun. This would not involve moving further up to be nearer arctic places. Disasters to our society in this world will so likely come soon.
populationconnection.org/blog/…
thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/the…

It should be seen we should now be living radically different


You should know there surely is climate change happening, the things we have from our civilization like all the transport of ourselves and everything for us and all the agriculture with so much for the animals for feeding us are causing it to happen. We in fact need to live in very different ways to not be giving our contribution to that or the others destructive things happening in the world, it would be with simple ways not using things from civilization still and growing what we want and need to use, ourselves, along with any involved in that with us. Ice melting in the Arctic is showing this happening and how critical it is.
nsidc.org/sea-ice-today

Reasons for my choices


It may be wondered why I talk about growing things for what is needed and not said anything about raising animals to use. If with joining me where I go you want to bring some to do that I would not stop you. But there is a much more healthy way to live without use of things from animals, with studies fully backing that up, that I can discuss if it's called for. But use of animals is not as sustainable as growing the things we can, which can be enough for us and those with us. In civilization ending animal agriculture would give more time to change enough to avoid climate catastrophe. We being apart and independent do not have to contribute to any worsening in this world even to environments around us with use of animals with us, we can do better without that.
news.stanford.edu/stories/2022…

Come to the alternative better than ill-fated civilization


Some know there are ways to live independently using knowledge for primitive living. So many are left who can only trust civilization will work everything out to continue. But that is a very great stretch. Radical cooperation is needed for avoiding catastrophes coming soon, they now say. Yet it really means that cities of civilization are not going to make it. It is getting so late to avoid catastrophe from what is happening.There is no sign of such change even near to what would be needed, and so much has been going the wrong direction, even now, after many years when there has been information for making a whole lot of needed changes. What people can do to continue is with managing what can be done with others joining along on land far from cities where they have things prepared to live sustainably with subsistence there for being independent of civilization, whatever happens to it all. weforum.org/stories/2019/05/bi…

Simplicity away from this is worth considering


There will not be political or social solutions, there will be continued worsening while no one can change enough to stop the contributions. In addition to the climate change being critical now, there is loss of environments and the species that are going extinct, including key species, and such loss of insects. Why are we to stay where we are a part of the destructive system? To gain more materially at the expense of other things in the world? Humans do not have to live this way to be comfortable. There are ways for humans to live comfortably without civilization, being in small communities working together independently from others in the world, growing all the things they can and making little difference to the environments.
lcv.org/blog/the-trump-adminis…

This way with civilization is not with success to last


Too few say yet that they would make any change from what they have in cities. Yet it is from living in the cities that there are demands on the world beyond what the world can still continue providing for. You've heard it, that it would take another world just like earth for that, with us just on this one, clearly not more on the other world already making demands on it. So species are going extinct and environments are being destroyed, this shouldn't continue. Insects dying off will really matter a lot and be the greatest effect of all the species extinction. Crises from these things coming will take care of civilization not continuing if another possible disaster does not take care of it instead. People away from civilization and independent from it should continue. This would involve knowledge of primitive ways to effectively continue with when that will be what is left available.
earth.org/insects-matter-so-wh…

We cannot rightly wait trusting civilization fixes it all


Another way needed instead


We can live much more sustainably being apart from civilization, which cannot change enough, with use of resources it still will, to be sustainable in this world.
drawdown.org/insights/how-food…

Consider we need the way we can continue


Civilization is not for us to stay with. It is all coming down with a collapse, soon if it is not just later on this century. It will still happen. Why not already be living in the way people can always go on living in the world, though the numbers will necessarily come down? Getting to that way apart from civilization without depending on it still can give time for any of us doing this to have everything there more comfortable, and be doing well enough far away enough when collapse really does come. We should get going, remember collapse could be soon.
enviro.or.id/2023/07/mit-predi…

About Our Contribution


Extinction of species is happening now, and, it is increasing. This is critical to civilization as the world would not longer sustain it with the collapse happening. There is contribution from food choices along with a number of other things in civilization that civilization would continue with which are not sustainable. Sustainable communities could continue but with simplicity apart from anything of civilization.
biologicaldiversity.org/progra…

Going on still even as civilization faces collapse


Any of the  possible disasters coming to civilization are not only possible but really likely. But it should not be missed that if it is not something external that ruins civilization or any war which we avoid coming to, that brings the end, there is the ruination of environments which affects what is available, and diminished resources that will soon not be enough. Civilization just can't have what will enable it to continue. But, importantly, humans can continue without civilization. Any of us can do so well, with planning for it soon and taking action for being independent, with real sustainability.
bobmayer.com/worst-case-scenar…

Even more serious


Certainly aside from other serious issues, as threat to democracy and freedoms we had, there is Trump's assault on natural environments which is a threat to the world's future. There was already development so hard to keep civilization from continuing, but with this administration setting all controls back it will all come to great crisis much faster. You can't do anything to avoid that within civilization. It is high time to find the alternative way being apart.
insideclimatenews.org/news/300…

Why stay with what is worsening it all?


Why is taking Greenland desired? Climate change happening is how desired resources there become available! Trump knows this! Those speaking in denial of climate change deep down really know it is real, and they just do not want to do anything involving any change for themselves. But we can do things about sustainability in our world and not contributing to any worsening, which civilization is still doing, with our separate ways from cities of civilization with all this destructiveness to the world with the exploitation continuing.
nytimes.com/article/trump-gree…
We need another way.

There's better way to continue in this world than this


Freedom is really desirable and we should have that, with any communities. The issue of our living in this world beyond what can be sustained must be dealt with, which can't happen with civilization, which grows. It can happen just with becoming independent from it with growing things and making things ourselves. Some can be for trade among us if that's desired, but without use of environments with taking from them. There is our overshoot with use of the earth to stop contributing to.
overshoot.footprintnetwork.org…

Independence from all civilization will be important


It should be known collapse is going to come to this civilization, which cannot keep going on, it is not sustainable in this world, using more and more of it as systems in the world are being ruined, by the very nature of civilization as it inherently is. Real needed sustainability to always continue on with can only be had with people being apart from civilization to live independently growing things they need.
youtu.be/207-WnTXtC8?si=30R0HO…

How there can be sustainable ways to continue here


With so many in the world we are living beyond what world resources can go on supporting. It would be best for sustainability in this world if there was a lower human population than there is up to now. There will be collapse not a very long way off. If people were not staying with civilization with all the demands for what is had just with civilization there could be greater independence with sustainable living growing all things that can be for food, medicinal herbs, and materials to use, making their own things. There would not be collapse from this way of living without things from civilization and transportation needing fuel.

It is not at all getting better, why stay with it?


If it was thought that our society would fix everything that is worsening, and we could still go on, there is good reason that this hopeful thinking should be dashed now. This administration in office now will turn all that around, for what benefits the well-to-do now at the expense of anyone or anything else. It could only be best for ourselves to be away from all the society in civilization going in that direction as things worsen. I do not want to remain, myself, even just to say, I told you so. What I would have for us away from that will be far more ideal, with what we will see we really want, with our community in this involvement.
theguardian.com/environment/20…

This Most Needed


I would have many of us come out of cities. Probably not enough would come out, it would be better if more and more came out. But I mean for there to be simple primitive communities, not driving around to hunt (that is not sustainable!) but growing what they need enough for completely adequate subsistence, with natural farming ways (see Fukuoka) and not using equipment of farmers now. It would need to be where there is good soil and enough water. Other ways will use more resources and impact environments and wildlife far more.

Without remaining dependent, that's important


It is useless to try to save anything of civilization. That will not work. We can save some of us with departing to become independent from civilization with sustainable ways living in simplicity where anything needed for food and useful materials can be grown. There are places in nature which people can be very comfortable with, we really belong there more and do not need civilization as much, with that. Some are doing such and some will be making change that is needed. I hope for some being comfortable to join with me in moving to such where we can continue sustainably with what we will have growing to be enough for us.

Serious issues to us being here


Can't any see how seriously life in this world and civilization with it are going to be in serious trouble ahead, as everything is worsening? It would be going not as bad if people were no longer living in the ways they are dependent on civilization for while their demands are part of civilization still going on at the expense of the rest of the world, growing things on land away from cities and communities connected to them would be best.
Insects are seriously diminishing, drastically
reuters.com/graphics/GLOBAL-EN…
Coming crises are not far off
yaleclimateconnections.org/202…

The need to live differently to continue in the world


There is the destructiveness to this world with taking everything for the needed resources while they still dwindle. All that is with civilization just as from animal agriculture has such a great environmental impact. We should see how we would be involved with what has almost no environmental impact, with simple living along with others away from civilization, with what we produce there ourselves, that we can do that.
wsp.com/en-us/insights/lcas-af…

Change for us becoming more needed


There is much harm coming from what is happening now with our society of civilization. It is extremely foolish to dismiss all the things happening. Now it is more needful to move to being more independent with being out from civilization. No one in government over us is better for us than our living independently even with us in good community.

What can continue are small sustainable communities


Medicine is derived from medicinal plants that had been used. So we need to be finding the medicinal herbs we can learn besides the few ones known to us. Communities for people are needed, with greater independence from anything that is from civilization. And those in such communities are to care for ones with physical needs among them, who are not to be neglected or to let anyone just die while we do nothing to aid or help them. We have things to learn, we will make things and they are what we need to know how to do. Other people have made such things, it is how to be independent. But in a community there can be such working together.