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Well fortunately (unfortunately for the rampaging cheeto) is that there are three things not owned by the US and therefor out of his control. The Gulf of Mexico, Panama Canal, and Greenland.
AT FIRST, I THOUGHT THE WHOLE "GULF OF AMERICA" THING WAS JUST AN INTERNET JOKE. BUT NOW, I JUST DON'T GIVE A FUCK. GIVE THE STATUE OF LIBERTY A BOOB JOB. NOTHING MATTERS.
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Yet another example of americans terrified by monsters of their own creation.
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Post pandemic scamflation in action
US teen drug, alcohol and tobacco use continues to decline
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Teen drug, alcohol, and tobacco use in the U.S. continues to decline, with record-low usage levels reported in 2023, according to the University of Michigan's Monitoring the Future survey.
Among 12th graders, 66% reported no recent use of alcohol, marijuana, cigarettes, or e-cigarettes, while 80% of 10th graders and 90% of 8th graders avoided these substances entirely.
Experts attribute the decline partly to reduced peer pressure during the pandemic.
However, nicotine pouch use has doubled among 12th graders, raising concerns.
Despite pop culture's glamorization of smoking, teen cigarette use remains low.
US teen drug, alcohol and tobacco use continues to decline
Record numbers of teens now abstain, a trend starting during the Covid pandemic and continuing to the presentMarina Dunbar (The Guardian)
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Gaming is very much a social activity.
Try finding a triple A game released in the last 10 years that hasnt been heavily designed around multiplayer.
It hasnt been until indie games have really caught on, perhaps as a result of the shift towards open world multiplayer gaming that now dominates, that there is still a market for those types of games.
I know multiple married people that used gaming to connect with each other when they had to be apart.
I was actually on one of those married couples first date because they played league of legends, and that was how I even knew them.
Try finding a triple A game released in the last 10 years that hasnt been heavily designed around multiplayer
What? In 2024 alone, would you say games like Alan Wake 2, Baldurs Gate 3 or Elden Ring are "heavily designed around multiplayer"?
Sure you have your FIFA's and CoD and a bunch of other MP games, but single player games are still a thing.
Try finding a triple A game released in the last 10 years that hasnt been heavily designed around multiplayer.
cyberpunk 2077
Sorry but that's like saying social media isnt a social activity. Yes there is s variety of ways to engage with it, but it is something that is causing people to connect with others from a distance.
Its also like saying long distance relationships arent real relationships which would be a ridiculous thing to claim
If you saw the people I did throughout life, you'd want to stay in the basement as well.
Glad to hear you have met good people throughout life. Just keep in mind not everyone has thar experience.
I'm 41, and my cousin has young teens. I asked "Do kids today even play video games?"
And she said "Not in the way you would think. It's not about playstation or nintendo. It's about cell phones and tablets."
Which made me sad. App gaming is laaaaaame.
I hope that’s just your experience - being relegated to mobile games would be sad. I mean I’m addicted too but I recognize they’re just a time and attention waster.
My older teens are pretty avid gamers as are their friends. One of them started a gaming club at his school! They’re such great kids they sometimes let their Mom or me join a party, and they don’t laugh too hard. But seriously, that’s how they socialize ever since COViD. They’ll spend the entire night in a group chat, listening to music, sometimes teaming up sometimes not, just playing video games and spending time with friends. It works
Most studies found that raising cigarette prices through increased taxes is a highly effective measure for reducing smoking among youth, young adults, and persons of low socioeconomic status. However, there is a striking lack of evidence about the impact of increasing cigarette prices on smoking behavior in heavy/long-term smokers, persons with a dual diagnosis and Aboriginals. nih
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Aboriginal Australians are the various Indigenous peoples of the Australian mainland and many of its islands, excluding the ethnically distinct people of the Torres Strait Islands.
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Aboriginal is mostly associated with Australia, but since this is a Canadian study I thought it would be helpful to link to the tribes there.
For North Americans the term most often heard in popular usage is ‘Indigenous’
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Because they aren't affected by government pricing, as its all tax.
So, tabacco is tax free. I used to know smokers who would go to the reservations in Ontario and come back with cartons.
Quite the opposite actually, and not really amusing in the slightest:
The global promotion of commercial tobacco, and the subsequent addiction of Indigenous peoples to commercialized nicotine products, is a modern form of colonization and subjugation at national and international levels.5 Indigenous knowledge values, behaviors, and protocols have been suppressed (oftentimes appropriated for financial gain) through colonization processes implemented by governments, churches, and other institutions.6–8 For example, the US federal government passed the Code of Indian Offenses in 1883, prohibiting Indigenous peoples from the right to perform cultural and traditional ceremonial practices, such as the ghost and sun dances. Both of these ceremonial practices involved the use of ceremonial tobacco.9,10 In Canada, ceremonial tobacco use and ceremonial practices were more broadly illegal under the Indian Act of 1885 and its associated amendments.8 However, commercial tobacco use was not illegal, contributing to the promotion of commercial tobacco use among First Nations (status and non-status) and Métis peoples.8,11 As a direct consequence of these policies, commercial tobacco products were introduced into ceremonial practices as a harmful and unsustainable replacement to sacred tobacco.1,8,11 The restrictions of cultural and ceremonial practices, including use of ceremonial tobacco, were finally lifted in the United States in 1978 and in 1951 in Canada.8,9Among some Indigenous peoples, the modification, transformation, and commercialization of the Nicotiana tobacco plant belittle, disrespect, and complicate the understanding of these plants that are endemic to Turtle Island.12,13 The widespread availability of commercial tobacco products, the historical restrictions on ceremonial tobacco products, the tobacco industry’s exploitation of tribal sovereignty through tax-exempt tribal cigarette sales and heavy promotion at tribal enterprises, and the Industry’s targeted marketing of commercial tobacco products to Indigenous peoples have enabled frequent use and dependence among Indigenous communities, with concomitant and serious effects on the user’s health, and those exposed to second- and third-hand smoke. These forms of colonization tactics have complicated public health efforts aimed at reducing harms of commercial tobacco in Indigenous communities. Commercial tobacco and its derivatives represent a threat to physical health, spiritual health, and well-being for Indigenous peoples of Turtle Island.5 Today, Indigenous peoples of Turtle Island report the highest prevalence of cigarette smoking, with above 50% in many communities, and lowest quit rates of all groups.14–16 Consequently, high rates of cigarette smoking have led to higher rates of smoking-related disease morbidity and mortality in these communities.17
Man. Your citys drug dealers are so nice! And also so stupid. That's not a sustainable business model at all.
I know old people who go to the mall, do a lap around the food court, get a free sample on a toothpick of all the fast food in the food court, and call it lunch. They never actually buy any.
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Huh? It's a survey
Sure, they could be lying, but why would they?
And your employee anecdotal stories mean zilch
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because if the survey was done on school computers the students likely know/assume the computer has administrative spyware on it. I know this because when I took a similar survey to this at my school the known spyware program was still running while we took the "anonymous" survey.
No one in their right mind should trust anonymous surveys taken on computers that a known surveillance agency controls.
“Drug use, particularly among adolescents, is typically a social event,” said Miech. “The social distancing policies during the pandemic were designed so that all teenagers and adolescents hardly interacted with anybody except their own immediate family.”
So… they don’t have friends? Very uplifting
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Well, they have friends, but after spending about a year not seeing them in person, they are used to just meeting them online. At least anecdotally that's what I'm seeing with the kids of my group, that going out is a hassle and online is good enough. When they do, it's maybe a total of three or four people hanging out, no big parties to speak of.
On a related note, the schools I know of pretty much stopped having dances other than the prom. In fact, from what I hear, the ability for students to socialize broadly has been pretty much tanked since the pandemic (stricter schedules, no more lockers, and various other measures instituted to avoid congregating students after pandemic and those policies seem to have stuck, presumably because it makes the students a bit easier to manage. It's been a cause for concern for me about their social development, as while I never was big on those events, I at least remember a lot more downtime on school grounds that our kids don't seem to get.
Not just them, frankly we haven't really been seeing folks in person nearly as much since the pandemic. There are certain special occasions, but we almost never have a "random" visit for no particular reason anymore.
On the one hand, cigarettes are bad and everyone should quit. And alcohol should be used in moderation. And many drugs are very dangerous and addictive and should be avoided. So this is probably good.
On the other hand, if this means are just sitting home alone, maybe having parasocial relationships with influencers, that's sad.
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Teenagers going out to party - bad
Teenagers sitting at home - also bad.
What the hell are kids supposed to do? Just not exist from the period where we stop finding them cute till adulthood?
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Sports, Music, Hobbies like board games, Outdoor activities like camping and hiking.
There is plenty of fulfilling things to do together that dont involve alcohol or other drugs or "partying" in the sense of loud music, bad hookups and regrettable videos the next day.
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Going out to party isn't bad. Sitting at home using drugs and alcohol compulsively because you are addicted is bad. It's a fine line to walk but lots of people do it. I did every drug under the sun as a youth and turned out fine, and this applies to pretty much my entire university cohort. Not a single one of them ended up as a junkie.
Should we encourage kids to drink and do drugs? I don't know tbh. That experience was genuinely positive for me because it gets me out there in the world, made me friends and memories and taught me lessons about moderation. From my point of view the people who ended up getting the shit end of the stick were the handful of people I know who got addicted to WoW and online gambling, not the one who did drugs on occasion. But apparently those things are becoming common and culturally acceptable while partying isn't. Take that as you will.
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For my kid who is very athletic, I always phrased it as “don’t destroy your cardio by inhaling any ashes or burning stuff”
But he is so strait laced and so careful with his health that it’s not really an issue.
My other kid is a different story. Luckily he doesn’t like the smell of cigarettes or pot smoke, but I found out his vice when he offered me a gummy. First: cool, second: shit, I was supposed to yell at you
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Does "hard drug" have an agreed upon definition?
I'm pretty sure cigarettes are worse. Much more addictive, harmful to the user and nearby people, and the cigarette butts I think are an environmental hazard.
Alcohol use is as old as human civilization. I don't think light usage is that hazardous.
TLDR: Alcohol is a psychoactive, addictive carcinogen that will give you cancer no matter the consumption (though of course the more you drink the worse it becomes). It'll also fuck up your liver, but that's not mentioned in this article as it focuses on cancer.
That aside, where did you get that cigarettes are more addictive than alcohol? Only one of these will literally kill you if you quit cold turkey unprepared and it's not cigarettes.
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The risks and harms associated with drinking alcohol have been systematically evaluated over the years and are well documented.www.who.int
Most people I've known who smoke are addicted. They get moody and other withdrawal symptoms. No one I know has a similar relationship with alcohol. This is not a scientific study, but that's been my experience. I know there are alcoholics in the world.
Also nicotine and cigarettes are known to be addictive nida.nih.gov/publications/rese…
I'm pretty sure "stopping drinking cold turkey will kill you" is kind of hyperbolic. Most people aren't drinking that heavily. This thread started on the point of moderate drinking.
I acknowledge that even light drinking is unsafe. I wasn't aware it that plausibly that hazardous. Unfortunately, many things are unsafe and I don't think alcohol is going away any time soon. Going out for a drink with friends, there's probably a bunch of hazards there. Unhealthy foods, car exhaust, staying up late.
Is nicotine addictive? | National Institute on Drug Abuse
Yes. Most smokers use tobacco regularly because they are addicted to nicotine. Addiction is characterized by compulsive drug-seeking and use, even in the face of negative health consequences.National Institute on Drug Abuse
Among 12th graders, 66% reported no recent use of alcohol, marijuana, cigarettes, or e-cigarettes, while 80% of 10th graders and 90% of 8th graders avoided these substances entirely
I would say yes.
Among 12th graders, 66% reported no recent use of alcohol, marijuana, cigarettes, or e-cigarettes, while 80% of 10th graders and 90% of 8th graders avoided these substances entirely
Turns out, the people running this thought of that possibility.
What? Is it because teens can't afford booze, cigarettes, and drugs anymore? Maybe they need to buy less Starbucks and avocado toast so they can party more.
This is a good trend I think. I hope they carry it on well into the rest of their lives.
Is it because teens can’t afford booze, cigarettes, and drugs anymore?
Per the article:
The decrease in drug usage during the pandemic was somewhat of a surprise to experts. With the lockdowns causing depression rates to rise dramatically, an increase in drugs and drinking wouldn’t have been too much of a shock. But as the biggest factor in drug use for young people is peer pressure, the lockdowns had the opposite effect.“Drug use, particularly among adolescents, is typically a social event,” said Miech. “The social distancing policies during the pandemic were designed so that all teenagers and adolescents hardly interacted with anybody except their own immediate family.”
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The continuing decline of teen drug, alcohol and tobacco usage is a positive sign that these industries no longer have the power they once did over the country’s youth. But a disturbing trend in pop culture shows that cigarettes could be sneakily making a comeback.“I too see more and more smoking in the media and on these different shows I watch with my teenage daughter,” said Miech. “But fortunately, so far, it hasn’t actually translated into higher levels of cigarette smoking among adolescence.”
Who's "they"? This is a university study, not one sponsored by Budweiser/Marlboro.
Also, they didn't bother separating based on legality, but did research marijuana use and no, it's not on the rise:
The results show that a whopping 66% of 12th graders reported no use of alcohol, marijuana, cigarettes or e-cigarettes in the past 30 days. This is the highest abstinence rate recorded since the survey began tracking it in 2017.Also surprising is that marijuana usage among teens is declining – despite a notable upward trend for adults across the US.
I’ll offer this as a possible reason: Kids don’t solo travel like they used to. Kids not wanting driver’s licenses as much is a thing.
I think I can speak for older generations a little - we couldn’t wait to get enough independence to have a bike or driver’s license to get out of the house. There was only the telephone to talk to people - as in no internet, no social media, not everyone had computer games or consoles. Eventually you had messaging services like AIM or IRC, but you didn’t really meet up with friends on them because not everyone had PCs, or cared to learn how to use one. There was cable TV if you were lucky, but you didn’t watch that all day. We went from one friend’s house to another, or friends of friend’s homes. You got exposed to a lot more living conditions, often while completely unsupervised. Bored kids or kids with home problems didn’t mind pilfering the alcohol from the parents, or got whatever drug they could. Usually pot. Nothing else to do. Plus some peer pressure.
Now? Kids text. They meet up online on discord or whatever VoIP or messaging service is cool right now. Group chats. Play online games. They don’t need to leave the house to hang out, and in-person hangouts seem way less important to my kids than it ever was to me when I was younger. That’s a lot less opportunity to be introduced to alcohol or other drugs and have the access to them.
So maybe less peer pressure isn’t necessarily a Covid result, it’s the result of social interaction moving to online spaces and not physical spaces where access to alcohol or other drugs are present.
People are also more poor in general.
Wages have been stagnating for over 50 years.
Independence requires financial independence.
It's not possible to meaningfully participate in society without disposable income.
This leads to the avg person having less power and influence than almost any of their ancestors.
Unfortunately nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
Video games are fundamentally experiences of agency, of being in some kind of environment that is dynamic, spontaneous and in conversation with the player.
Modern life on the other hand is fundamentally the experience of having no agency and being in a car choked landscape where nothing is dynamic, spontaneous or in conversation with you (especially as pedestrian when not driving).
I am goind to spend time where I have agency, where the landscape was designed in joyous anticipation of someone like me existing in it, the real life human spaces around me have been exhaustively rectified to the brutality and logic of latestage capitalism and thus these "real" landscapes around me are dead.
Society seems to every day increasingly hate and punish people who want to explore, play and create. Why the fuck would I want to spend time in real life spaces when they were designed out of a specific hatred for the kind of thing that makes me feel happy, alive and welcome?
Playing video games is something I do because I am poor AND because I gravitate towards landscapes and communities that were designed by people who don't hate my brain and the way I think and live.
Seriously, my teenage niece is a complete square, but still looks up to me as her cool uncle, so I encourage her straight laced nerdiness.
Hopefully she doesn't burn out in her 20s and make a series of painful but cool mistakes like I did.
This is why I’m so annoyed at college “police services” and serious crackdowns on protests. WTF, college, this is not what I pay you for. I pay you to be a sandbox where little Johnny can grow and develop and find his voice. Yes, also suffer consequences for his mistakes, but non-serious consequences. Your job is to better prepare him for life, not ruin his life.
My own effing Alma mater glorified building takeovers from the 1960s, talking about the good changes that eventually developed, but then they changed from being a “security” force trying to protect the kids to a “police” force so they can carry guns and arrest kids. Then during the BLM demonstrations they started arresting kids and kicking them out. WTF.
Seriously. The rule should be, "occupy whatever the hell you want. Just don't create a fire hazard or prevent people from doing their job." Want to sit-in on the hallway outside the university president's office? Fine. Just keep the number small enough to not be a fire hazard. Feel free to shout whatever you want at them while they walk to their door. Don't do anything stupid like chaining yourself to the university president, and you'll be fine.
Yeah, it would be a bit annoying to be that president and to have to walk past protesters during terms. But so what? You signed up to be the president of the university, the human face of the campus administration. You're the highest paid person on campus, behind only the football coach. Don't want to deal with blue haired teenagers shouting at you? Don't sign up to be a university president!
I've done a lot of different drugs, and I'd rank the addictiveness of social media between flakka and crack. (I have not done heroine or fenta)
So yeah, good job USA. /s
Whenever I see one of these polls being published I imagine how I would have answered them when I was that age, and I would have lied about every negative seeming question.
What if the poll wasn't really anonymous and this data was going to be passed on to future employers or schools?
Interesting idea but they are comparing different year surveys with the same age children.
Do you think that kids are more prone to lying now, than earlier years?
Not only that but back then you didn’t have to worry about it with a simple rule:
They ask you a question, do they know your name or who you are? No? It’s anonymous.
Now you don’t have that anymore. Anything can be linked backed to you cause there is always a digital finger print.
Even if you ask random people on the street, there is facial recognition and cameras everywhere.
Oy.
Yes, these self-reporting polls have been used for decade as one measurement device. They were fine when it was self-evident what "smoking", "drinking", and "drugs" meant.
Now the issues are far more complex and nuanced, and we now live in a world where the pharmacological knowledge of today's random 14yo outshines what I would have learned in 2nd year university in the 90s.
Kids drink cough syrup recreationally because "that's not drugs". We still live in world of denial where benzos are "drugs" but alcohol isn't because idk I guess the active molecules are suspended in liquid?
Young people have been propagandized and lied to, to the point many don't even know if they're "smoking" or not.
I might just be lucky, but I've had great success in getting in random friend groups while playing games where you can build things and explore.
Valheim, space engineers, minecraft, terraria. Stuff like that.
I think maybe it has to do with people logging into the dedicated server and seeing the stuff you build and they think of you. Plus lots of those servers will have a discord and that's basically getting into a ton of people's DMs. You can post in the discord music you like, funny dumb pictures and memes. Stuff that really shows what you're interested in. This way people can see if they're into the same stuff as you. Then you can branch out to other games or even meet ups IRL.
You also have to give credit to youngins these days that they are smart enough to spend money by going to gym and choosing to live a healthier lifestyle instead. This is according to many news report.
And also, I think the rise of social media is to be credited as well because instead of going out to socialise, the younger generation are socialising digitally. Of course social media has its drawbacks, which is getting highlighted more in recent years for understandable reasons, but it also has an upside and really it offers many alternatives that traditions couldn't. I know us older folks begrudge social media, but hey, it's here to stay. For better or worse.
Seriously, I believe we really need to stop trying to prevent meteors from hitting Earth. Humans have run their course and it is time to etch-a-sketch this motherfucker.
Body of missing Indian journalist found in septic tank
SummaryIndian journalist Mukesh Chandrakar, 32, known for reporting on corruption, was found dead in a septic tank in Chhattisgarh on 3 January after going missing on New Year’s Day.
Police arrested three suspects, including two relatives, while contractor Suresh Chandrakar, a key suspect, is on the run.
Authorities suspect blunt-force trauma, and Chandrakar’s reporting via his YouTube channel Bastar Junction has drawn attention. Local journalists protested, demanding justice and accountability for the killing.
Attacks on journalists in India are common, with 3-4 reporters killed annually for their work, according to Reporters Without Borders.
Mukesh Chandrakar: Body of missing Indian journalist found in septic tank
Mukesh Chandrakar's corpse was found with severe injuries consistent with a blunt-force attack, police say.Anbarasan Ethirajan (BBC News)
Introduction - Hello & Welcome
Zuckerberg has now apparently burned the last bridges to the good side of the Force and wants to go to hell together with his rich friends, religious fundamentalists and other Nazis. In the hope that one or two brave souls will make their way out of the meta-molloch and into the fediverse, I am starting an attempt here to make myself findable for them.
There will be a lot of content here about canoeing, geese and other pleasant things and I look forward to a lively exchange.
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California tribes celebrate historic dam removal: ‘More successful than we ever imagined’
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The removal of four hydroelectric dams on the Klamath River, completed in October 2023, is the largest dam removal project in U.S. history. The dams had blocked salmon migration, disrupted ecosystems, and worsened toxic algal blooms for over a century.
Decades of advocacy by tribal groups, environmentalists, and locals led to their removal, marking a significant environmental milestone. Early recovery signs include salmon returning to the upper basin for the first time in 60+ years.
The project also restored sacred lands to the Shasta Indian Nation and opened 400 miles of habitat for native species.
Challenges like sediment-clearing and climate impacts persist, but stakeholders celebrate it as a model for ecological renewal.
California tribes celebrate historic dam removal: ‘More successful than we ever imagined’
After four dams were blasted from the Klamath River, the work to restore the ecosystem is under wayGabrielle Canon (The Guardian)
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I didn't see it in the article, but what of the power these dams generated? Did they run lines from a farther city? Did these communities have a say?
I'm all for reducing impact on the environment and these dams were truly messing things up (water full of algae so deprived of oxygen it turns black?). This is one of those uncomfortable trades we've made across the world with hydro dams. They alter rivers, and make reservoirs. They destroy salmon routes and cause flooding above them when they're not fast enough to drain. -But humans demand electricity. It's become essential for homes and health, and now even transportation infrastructure is becoming reliant on it. It seems like these 4 dams couldn't be producing much if the local people were able to demand them gone and Berkshire give in.
That's a good question, actually so I looked it up and found a few articles talking about it.
"At full capacity, the Klamath River dams can produce enough electricity to power about 70,000 homes, though in reality, they produce about half that, says PacifiCorp spokesperson Bob Gravely. The reservoirs do not provide drinking or irrigation water."
Source
As for what the electricity would be replaced with, it would be from other sources that would are aggregated by the power company.
I actually think the research for this dam removal was done quite thoroughly after reading this article:
[https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/a69884b685ef49bbba26f9a1d377cbe4](Link here)
Someone crunched the numbers and the dams were not efficient, aging and getting to be a liability so I believe the removal was an overall net positive
Federal approval clears way for Klamath dam removal
The order is the last major regulatory step before four dams can be decommissioned. It marks the start of the largest dam removal project in U.S. history.Juliet Grable (KSOR)
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Looks like 700Gwh/y, so 80Mw. That's not insignificant. A wind turbine produces about 2.75Mw, so you'd need 30 to just make up the nameplate capacity. But it's probably actually twice to three times that amount, since hydro is very consistent, and wind isn't. Need to add on batteries for storage too.
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According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the average U.S. home uses 893 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity per month. Per the U.S.www.usgs.gov
In the GW range batteries aren't a great storage solution. At that point you're basically sitting on a bomb with that much chemical energy storage. Before you get into all the losses from having to temperature stabilize the system. The most efficient/preferred solution is an artificial reservoir. Pump water uphill when you have excess power, run the generator when you need power.
Dams also aren't permanent structures. There's been a growing concern for awhile now about dams being managed by financial entities. Because local governments couldn't/wouldn't run them after their expected lifespan ran out in the 80s/90s they were seen as a reliable investment. Especially if you cut costs. On a dam basically the only costs to cut are maintenance.
Dams being decommissioned instead of failing is a better strategy.
And save the forests, restore the salmon population, and allow proper watershed restoration.
Hydro is the worst renewable; nuclear is infinitely better.
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You're the one being irrational.
The amount of hydroelectric power produced by those damns was negligible. All four combined produced less than 200MW, less than 2% of Pacificorp's total generation capacity.
They'd only have to build 20 or 30 wind turbines to make up the difference, and that'd be far less damaging to the environment than leaving these dams up and probably cheaper than the maintenance they were past due on anyway.
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Strike notice issued against Tesla in Sweden, by the metal workers' union (IF Metal).
I approve. 
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The strike against Tesla by the metal-workers' union (IF Metall) in Sweden which is set to begin tomorrow unless something unlikely changes, will be counteracted by Musk's corporation planning to use scabs, according to statement by the CEO of Tesla Nordics at internal meeting with the employees.
The initial strike phase encompasses all of Tesla's automobile repair shops and service points in Sweden, including about 120 mechanics. Up next is an expansion to encompass all work on Tesla vehicles from November 3, which also blocks new sales as license plates can't be mounted adapted for Sweden.
When the combined metal, wood, graphics, and paper workers-union newspaper "Dagens Arbete" (roughly "Today's Labor") called Tesla Sweden to ask about their plans to use the illegal tactic of scabs, their communications manager Maria Lantz responded (my translation):
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-Is it really illegal to move staff [to break strikes] within the country?
-To perform a striker's work is strike breaking, it does not matter if it is within the country or not.
-Within the country's borders?
-Yes.
-Within the country?
-Yes, don't you know that?
-Okay let me check this and get back to you
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The strike against Tesla in Sweden (TM Sweden AB) started at 00:01 local time, for the collective bargaining agreement that the workers have sought for five years.
The Director-General of the National Mediation Office pointed out e.g. that collective agreements are the norm in Sweden and that it is up to the unions to decide if they will go into strike, as well as the most recent time such a major corporation as Tesla and the Klarna Bank (on trike notice since yesterday) kept refusing collective agreements until there was a strike was in the early 90s when 'Toys "Я" Us' caused severe damage to their attempt at establishing themselves in Sweden due to similar behavior (the regional 'Toys "Я" Us'-franchisee 'TOP-TOY A/S' which had 73 shops in the Nordic countries then went bankrupt in 2018).
Now, the Transport Workers' Union has announced a potential solidarity strike for all Tesla cars in the harbors of the cities Malmö, Södertälje, Gothenburg and Trelleborg from November 7, so they will unload all other shipment, all cars from other corporations, but leave all Tesla cars on the ships.
Tesla has consistently refused commenting the strike to every news outlet I have seen.
Here's some coverage in English:
sverigesradio.se/artikel/strik…
Strike action at Tesla in Sweden
IF Metall union members who service and repair Tesla vehicles in Sweden have gone on strike, the union announced this morning. However, news agency TT ...Sveriges Radio
Tesla employees on strike have been threatened with getting fired and revoked benefits, according to Agreement Secretary Veli-Pekka Säikkälä of the metal workers' union IF Metal in Sweden, currently on strike since midnight to Friday.
Tesla Sweden stated before the strike that they would use scabs (see earlier in this thread) and during the strike several people have been crossing the union's strike picket line, which may be strike breaking.
"Organized strike breaking is very unusual in Sweden. It has not been done since the 1920-30s. It is a threat against the entire labor union movement", commented Säikkälä to TT.
TT, the news agency jointly owned by all major newspapers in Sweden, sought Tesla for a comment, again, still without response.
Of course considering Musk's pro-authoritarianism campaigning, anti-labor stance, expression suppression, etc, it would rather be surprised if Tesla didn't choose to violate the laws of labor protection.
The metal workers' union strike against Tesla expanded 00:01 of the night to today to now encompass work on Tesla-vehicles also outside pure Tesla-automobile repair shops in 15 towns of Sweden.
These 17 workshops continue working on all other vehicles except Teslas.
Currently scheduled next is the sympathy strike blocking unloading of Tesla vehicles off of ships in harbors on November 7 and then additional workshops on November 10.
Tesla continues refusing to comment the strike to major news-media journalists.
Map legend:
How the strike is expanded
[red] Tesla workshops October 27.
[yellow] General workshops November 3.
[blue] Harbors November 7.
[black] General workshops November 10.
While I was preparing the previous toot, an article was released in English too.
"Strike widens at Tesla Sweden", also covering the topics of strike breakers, sympathy strike and the collective bargaining agreement which is the core of the so-called "Swedish model" of employer/unions-relations and is what Tesla refuses.
sverigesradio.se/artikel/strik…
As Tesla refuses to speak to the press, it's all union representatives speaking in this Public Service radio news piece. Nice PR-strategy, Tesla.
Regarding the intro to the piece, I'll add that another article did specify that 500 people are encompassed by the strike at the 17 workshops.
Strike widens at Tesla Sweden
The labour union IF Metall is extending its strike against Tesla Sweden by stopping all work carried out on the company's electric cars at 17 different ...Sveriges Radio
The sympathy strike against Tesla blocking unloading of all Tesla vehicles in four major harbors of Sweden has now begun, in support of the metal workers' union demanding collective bargaining agreement as is normal in Sweden.
Because Tesla has begun rerouting its shipping to circumvent the labor movement, the transport workers' union now also announced they extend the strike to cover unloading all Tesla vehicles in ALL harbors of Sweden, from noon November 17th.
The CEO of one harbor operating corporation (Trelleborg) said they alone normally receive 40-240 Tesla vehicles per day, but supports the strike.
Now the building maintenance workers' union announced they will stop cleaning Tesla's facilities over the shitty behavior.
Susanna Gideonsson, chairperson of the "Swedish Trade Union Confederation" ("LO", largest, at 1.2 million members) said they're ready to escalate further, was asked "Is [the strike] worth it even if Tesla leaves the country?" and responded "Yep!", with followup "and you're ready to take it that far?", getting the response "Yes, if it goes that far, then yes that's sad but... yes, we are", explaining that if Tesla gets an exemption ,then others like Volvo might start too.
Solidarity to the Tesla strike in Sweden was expressed by the metal workers' union IG Metall in Berlin, Germany spokesperson Markus Sievers, saying "We are in solidarity with the Swedish strike and hope that the workers there get their demands fulfilled".
IG Metall are themselves in a long conflict with anti-labor Elon Musk's car company, with over a thousand union members at a "Gigafactory" in Berlin.
Attached picture is from IG Metall's webpage regarding their conflict with Tesla igmetall.de/im-betrieb/ig-meta… in German.
Several more unions have joined the sympathy strikes against Tesla in Sweden, Public Service radio also reports, mentioning as an example that the electricians' union have stated that they will stop performing work such as repairing broken Tesla electric vehicle charging stations and work at Tesla premises throughout Sweden.
IG Metall ist drin bei Tesla
Der Elektroautobauer Tesla hält Gewerkschaften draußen. Doch jetzt haben sich über Tausend Beschäftigte in Berlin-Brandenburg zur IG Metall bekannt.IG Metall
If Tesla circumvents the transport workers' union sympathy strike against unloading vehicles from anti-worker Musk's company in the harbors of Sweden, in sympathy with the steelworkers' strike, by sending the cars through the harbors of Norway instead then the United Federation of Trade Unions in Norway may join the strikes against Tesla.
The union in Norway also states that "we have about 7300 union organized in the car industry, and all of those follow the strike [in Sweden] very closely".
Meanwhile, the transport workers' union in Sweden's central ombudsperson Anders Gustafsson comments the current situation, that "No dockworker in Sweden will touch a Tesla".
That means no spare parts or components delivered by packages or on pallets.
Tesla is circumventing the metal workers' union (IF Metall) strike against Tesla in Sweden where one of the several sympathy strikes is a refusal of the Transport Workers' Union to unload any Tesla cars in four major harbors of Sweden.
Tesla circumvents that strike by driving the cars onto regular car ferries. An example given being driving 150 Tesla cars onto a ferry between the major harbors Travemünde, Lübeck, northern Germany and Trelleborg in southern Sweden.
"That can be plugged up too, that would just be to refuse in that case allowing that ferry and to say that since there is a lot of shit onboard, there will be no Swedish docking here, so I think we can handle this pretty reasonably", comments the Transport Workers' Union chairperson Tommy Wreeth (depicted).
Tesla has refused to comment, still.
The Swedish Painters' Union announced that the painters at 53 companies "will refuse to have anything to do with" the cars or accessories from Elon Musk's company from November 21, 2023, noon local time, to then later add strikes at an additional 56 companies against the same if the anti-labor Tesla still refuses to reach a collective bargaining agreement with the metal workers' union IF Metall.
The union calls it "massive strike notices without precedent within the [union-]agreements area".
Now, it's the Union of Civil Servants (ST, st.org/english/about-st) which "solely focuses on organizing employees within state agencies" announcing that they will stop all delivery of letters, packages and pallets to Tesla from November 21 at 15:00 local time unless the metal workers' union IF Metall gets a collective bargaining agreement.
This covers the workers at PostNord, as it is owned 60% by the State of Sweden and 40% by the State of Denmark, being the equivalent of e.g. the U.S. Postal Service.
About Fackförbundet ST
Fackförbundet ST organize employees within state agencies. Everyone benefit from being members in the same union.Fackförbundet ST (st.org)
The strikes against Tesla expand, for a collective bargaining agreement for Swedish metal workers' union members,
now to also cover the company "Hydro Extrusions" in Vetlanda, southeastern Sweden, which is the only to manufacture a type of crash protection aluminium profiles which are used at the Tesla "gigafactory" assembly in Berlin, taking effect from November 24 at 13:00 local time.
The transport workers' union also says they will ask their sibling unions in the Nordic Countries to join the strikes since Tesla is shipping through new routes there to circumvent the strikes.
Tesla continues to use the extremely odd PR-strategy of letting the workers' representatives speak unopposed to and in news-media regarding the strikes, refuses to comment.
A tenth labor union gives notice of joining the strikes against Tesla in Sweden.
This time it is the Swedish Building Workers' Union ("Byggnads") that goes out in sympathy strike for the metal workers' union IF Metall,
which will cover refusal of performing service, repairs, new construction and reconstruction including within such union agreement areas as regular construction workers like carpenters, glaziers, water, heating and sewage, ventilation, etc.
This additional strike will take effect on November 28 at 06:00 local time unless anti-worker Elon Musk's company has reached a collective bargaining agreement with the metal workers.
• The Transport Workers' Union expands its sympathy strike to refusing to touch any Tesla vehicles in any of the harbors in Sweden.
• Electricians' Union will refuse to perform repairs at Tesla's 10 premises in Sweden and will not repair the >200 Tesla charging stations in Sweden.
• The Building Maintenance Workers' Union stops cleaning Tesla's facilities.
Background information on IF Metall’s conflict at Tesla
The main reason for IF Metall to take industrial action at Tesla is to ensure that our members have decent and safe working conditions.IF Metall
Commenting on anti-labor Elon Musk's Tesla's behavior against the employees on strike in Sweden, Dirk Schulze, the regional head of the metal workers' union "IG Metall" in Brandenburg, Germany, where Tesla's Berlin "Gigafactory" is also in conflict against the employees, said that the bosses of not just major corporations but also smaller companies behave like this, that the boss, owner or investors want to see a situation where they say "I am the Lord of the house", but this behavior from employers, in this case Elon Musk and his management does not in any way belong in the 2023; it was outdated already a hundred years ago and even more so today.
Schulze also gave examples of how the work load has resulted in the number of people on sickleave have drastically increased, that they at several departments have more than 30% off work due to sickness, sometimes over 40% and in some few cases over 50%, even though management and the human resources department threatens to fire people when they are sick too long.
Strike breaking ordered by court against the "Swedish Model" under which strike breaking is illegal, when anti-worker Elon Musk's Tesla sued the State of Sweden (the Transport Agency) and the Postal Service ("Postnord") to get posession of the car license plates that are covered by the currently ongoing strike since they according to current rules are to be delivered to Tesla by Postnord from the plates manufacturer Scandinavian Motorcenter.
The multinational giant claimed in its lawsuit that it was being "discriminated against", for being treated like every other corporation would be in in the same context.
The District Court of Norrköping, eastern Sweden, ruled that Tesla can transport the license plates themselves, in violation of about a hundred years of labor/employer agreement to not do strike breaking but also avoid labor conflicts as long as possible.
District Courts in Sweden in general have per case have one presiding judge with laws education, while the rest are lay judges appointed by political parties regardless of their knowledge of the laws. It is therefore technically a political ruling.
The ruling has been appealed, so the court-ordered strike breaking has been suspended and not taken effect yet.
The next level of court, Appeals Court, has judges based on laws education.
Postal Service declares it can not order strike breaking for Tesla in Sweden.
PostNord, the States of Sweden (60%) and Denmark (40%) owned Postal Service wrote to the District Court of Solna in Stockholm County where PostNord is headquartered, that
"PostNord's stance in a conflict which we are essentially outside of, has been that the right to strike is constitutionally protected and is therefore superior to the delivery obligation of the Postal Act" and therefore it can not order the workers to strike break for Tesla, and so says they are not responsible for the situation of not delivering license plates to Tesla cars, under force majeure.
All true.
Elon Musk reportedly (some week ago) ordered Tesla Sweden to refuse any agreement with the workers and Tesla threatened retaliations such as firing striking workers, which is illegal.
Tesla claims in its lawsuit PostNord's actions, entirely in line with normal labor-market relations, is a "targeted and unlawful attack against Tesla" and claimed PostNord has "seized shipments" (untrue), which it laughably claims is "almost system-threatening", meaning socioeconomic system of entire society.
Someone there is clearly feeling very unwell and should urgently seek help.
PostNord described Tesla's comments as "detached from reality",
which is true.
Strike against Tesla in Sweden will be joined by Denmark's largest union, the United Federation of Danish Workers (3F tema.3f.dk/en/3fsprog).
After reports that anti-worker Musk's Tesla is strike breaking by rerouting shipments in Denmark to circumvent the strikes in Sweden, the transport workers' section of the union gives notice it will in 14 days stop handling Tesla cars headed for Sweden and will not handle them until Tesla "sits down at the negotiation table".
"Even if one is one of the richest people in the world, one can't just have your own rules. We have some agreements on the labor market in the Nordic Countries, and one must follow those if one wants to operate here", said 3F Transport's chairperson Jan Villadsen to TV2 in Denmark, adding that "IF Metall [metal workers' union, Sweden] and the Swedish employees are currently fighting in an incredibly important struggle. When they ask for our help, we naturally support".
Tesla continues to refuse commenting.
The Swedish Transport Agency also appeals the court order to strike break for Tesla, citing security reasons.
Remember, Elon Musk's violations against the productive classes isn't a local thing in some distant places, but a systematic part of the same multinational exploitation organization, to further the opulence of the person that's already the world's richest in money and among poorest in humanity.
Apart from the struggles against Tesla to defend the actual human right to unionize (see e.g. the "International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights" to which 171 States are parties, etc) previously covered in this thread both all over Sweden and also in Germany,
here's an arbitrary sample from elsewhere too, from this March 20:
The Gory Truth Behind Elon Musk’s Texas Takeover
youtu.be/jvI5QIiMlcE
perfectunion.us/the-gory-truth…
Don't drive your sibling workers' exploitation. You might not be able to always pick "the best" out of human rights, environmental, etc aspects, but that doesn't mean you must fund the plausibly worst.
The Gory Truth Behind Elon Musk's Texas Takeover
Workers who built Tesla's new gigafactory in Austin, Texas, took us behind the scenes to reveal rampant wage theft and appalling conditionsJordan Zakarin (More Perfect Union)
• The now multinatonal strikes against Tesla in Sweden will be joined by largest private sector union in Norway, Fellesforbundet, on December 20 unless anti-labor Musk's company accepted collective bargaining agreement demand from the metal workers' union in Sweden (IF Metall).
"Tesla will not be able to transport Swedish Teslas through Norway. When they are being stopped in Swedish and Danish harbors we will ensure they can not take the route through the Norwegian", Fellesforbundet's spokesperson John Trygve Tollefsen commented to the TT news agency.
• The Göta Court of Appeals (W Sweden) accepts the Transport Agency's appeal of a District Court's previous ruling ordering strike breaking so therefore decided the previous ruling will not be implemented until it has ruled on the case.
• Tesla's lobbyist e-mailed govt office asking for "an audience" with Labor-market Minister. Govt can by constitution not act on strikes, etc. The Lobbyist had quit before media called to request comment. Communications boss Maria Lantz asked for "more details" but then didn't call back.
• Meanwhile, apparently itching for fights, Tesla also brings a case to the Supreme Court against having a ¤4 debt to a car service company in Norrköping, east Sweden, enforced by the Crown Bailiff ("Enforcement Authority").
"Danish pension fund to sell its Tesla shares over union dispute"
reuters.com/sustainability/dan…
It is PensionDanmark, regarding the sympathy strike in Denmark by the largest union confederation 3F's transport section, in solidarity with the metal workers' union of Sweden, IF Metall, for the collective bargaining agreement that is the local custom.
It is the largest non-commercial pensions fund in Denmark, founded by unions like 3F together with employers' associations like the "Confederation of Danish Industry" (DI), to manage the pensions funds that are part of the standard collective agreements in Denmark and is owned by its members.
The Postal Service does not have to strike break against the Tesla metal workers' union in Sweden until the case has reached its final ruling, the relevant District Court decided today, citing as reason that if their previous ruling would be enforced before a final ruling is reached, then one of the parties (Tesla) would have won the case before the final ruling.
Also today, it was reported that the Work Environment Authority found six flaws at a Tesla showroom and workshop in Gothenburg.
"If you won't act against the flaws and risks we may rule for an injunction or a ban", the report said for such core flaws as lacking signs for emergency exits and a "truck" (forklift?) driver lacking written permit, employees lacked education and doctors' certificate to use the hazardous material "BETASEAL" (presumably dupont.com/brands/betaseal.htm…).
The Work Environment Authority will check back at the latest end of January, 2024.
There were also flaws found and action demanded by the Work Environment Authority at another Tesla workshop and dealership in Mölndal (kinda near Gothenburg) last week, related to a pressurized air contaier.
Sounds like some total amateur operation...
"Finnish Transport Workers' Union AKT's executive committee decided that AKT also joins with other unions to support Tesla workers.
Blockade of Tesla vehicles starts in all the ports 20th December. That means Tesla vehicles or components destined to Swedish markets are not loaded by dockers."
Read the union's statement in full, in English, here:
akt.fi/uutiset/the-akt-executi…
The AKT executive committee decided on sympathy actions for Tesla
In the meeting 7th of December Finnish Transport Workers´ Union AKT´s executive committee decided that AKT also joins with other unions to support Tesla workers. Blockade of Tesla vehicles starts in all the ports 20th December.www.akt.fi
Tesla will NOT get to temporarily while awaiting the courts process break the ongoing strike in Sweden by itself acquiring the license plates for new vehicles from the manufacturer to bypass the normal transportation by the Postal Service on behalf of the Transport Agency, the Göta Court of Appeals made a final ruling today.
The court ruled that the regular processes during strikes should continue to be applied and that the Transport Agency had not been sabotaging or obstructing Tesla, which Tesla absurdly had claimed to the court.
Also announced today is that the transport workers' union will stop dealing with Tesla's garbage starting on Christmas Eve, a complete trash blockade, unless the workers' demands have been met.
That expanded sympathy strike covers all workshops and other premises in the country.
Have YOU been inspired by Tesla's assault on the "Swedish Model" of collective bargaining as a norm and the remnants of a legacy of strong workers' rights in the Nordic Countries?
Do YOU too hate the universal human right to unionize?
Now YOU can become a lobbyist for authoritarianism-promoting Elon Musk's Tesla, in an area where lobbyism hasn't been a thing until relatively recently and is still frowned upon as immoral. Bah, morals, who need them if you've got a BA in BS, right?
I'm sarcastic, but Tesla isn't. Their job posting for a lobbyist is real.
Tesla is now fined over a surprise inspection at Tesla premises in Malmö, southernmost Sweden.
"Through letting your employees use forklift on the above-mentioned inspection occasion without having previously issued required written permission for such use, you have violated §19 AFS 2006:5. You must therefore pay a sanction fee", the Swedish Work Environment Authority wrote, issuing a SEK93000 "sanctions fee" (the fine equivalent for that Agency).
"Sanction fees" are stated in that paragraph to range between SEK15000 and SEK150000 and are based on the number of employees.
"AFS 2006:5" is the "Swedish Work Environment Authority's regulations and general advice on use of trucks [=forklifts and similar]".
Tesla have until January 8 to appeal or accept.
The unions SEKO and ST are not allowed to participate in the court case of Tesla suing the Postal Service to force it to strike break against those unions' ongoing sympathy strikes for the metal workers' union against Tesla in Sweden,
with the Solna District Court justifying its decision by declaring that the SEKO and ST unions did not show "probable grounds for their claim that the matter concerns their rights".
I mean... the whole matter is on the foundation of those unions striking and protection of their right to strike. All of it concerns their rights.
You drunk, court?
Tesla is now strike breaking against the sympathy strike against it in Sweden by mass-ordering "replacement" vehicle license plates to be delivered directly to Tesla's customers instead of to the vehicle seller, Tesla, as is the norm, reports the newspaper of the "Swedish Confederation of Professional Employees" trade union umbrella organization.
The ordering of such replacement vehicle license plates is normally for if the previous one on the vehicle had been destroyed or lost, but now 140 such "replacement" vehicle license plates had been ordered according to a count on Friday, without the initial license plates having been delivered yet because they are covered by the sympathy strikes for the metal workers' union, also circumventing two court cases wherein Tesla has sued the Transport Agency and the Postal Service to get court ordered strike breaking and those cases still not having had their final rulings.
Not unlikely that this intentional circumvention of the ongoing court cases could become a matter within those cases and may be ruled contempt of court or similar.
The paper sought Tesla for a comment but Tesla refuses to comment, as usual.
Someone showed the press the secret employment agreements that Tesla demands to hire people in Sweden.
They are reportedly between 40-70 pages long instead of normally no more than five and include gagging the workers lifelong even if they quit Tesla from speaking anything about the company, as well as having to pay a fine if they quit Tesla and then get work elsewhere within 6 months at a competitor, as well as there being conditions that mean the employees waive their intellectual property rights including those that have nothing to do with Tesla.
The agreements-secretary at the "Swedish Trade Union Confederation" (LO) comments that they are "disgusting agreements" and to have never seen anything like those before.
Also the chief legal officer at the Legal Bureau of the Swedish Trade Union Confederation, which also covers members of the Swedish Confederation of Professional Employees (TCO), so a total of ~2.4 million members, says to have never seen anything like it and that "I don't think any employee understands what you are actually committing to and agreeing to".
Tesla has commented that they "follow Swedish labor market rules" (which is obviously a severe stretch of the common understanding of those words).
[...]
"We can't allow one man or one company to come and say, I want to do this in another way, you need to change your system. If you want to be here, you're very welcome, but you have to follow the rules," said Jan Villadsen, chairman of 3F Transport.
[...]
Dansk Metal [Denmark's metalworkers' union] is especially working towards getting unions in Germany to join, Nielsen said. Tesla has 11,000 workers in Gruenheide, near Berlin.'
reuters.com/business/autos-tra…
Public Service radio news report that "the parties to the Tesla-conflict have now met again" regarding the many strikes ifmetall.se/aktuellt/tesla/bac… against Tesla in Sweden which have now expanded to also Denmark, Norway and Finland, but that no progress was made in negotiations.
It has been previously reported that Tesla flat out refused meeting the workers' representatives and that Tesla's CEO Elon Musk would have ordered Tesla Sweden to not reach any agreement whatsoever with the labor unions.
Background information on IF Metall’s conflict at Tesla
The main reason for IF Metall to take industrial action at Tesla is to ensure that our members have decent and safe working conditions.IF Metall
The Postal Service has no obligation to deliver to Tesla under solidarity strike with the metal workers' union in Sweden, the Svea Court of Appeal confirmed by rejecting anti-worker Musk's car company's appeal to get the courts system to order the State-owned Postal Service ("PostNord") to order its staff to strike break.
"It is gratifying that the Court of Appeal has come to the only reasonable conclusion, that the constitutionally protected right to strike trumps Tesla's interests", commented Gabriella Lavecchia, chair of the "Swedish Union for Service and Communications Employees" (SEKO).
Meanwhile, metal workers' union "IF Metall" at the core of the now intl conflict wherein they have been at strike since October 27 (see previous toots in this long thread) has finally had it with those of its members that have just continued working at Tesla and will now expel those strike breaking members. That has never happened before. The difference is probably that Tesla has threatened to fire workers for striking, even though that would be illegal.
Aaand an employee is accused By Tesla of breaking the lifetime employment-contract gag-order against speaking about Tesla, because the employee's wife tweeted the husband was on strike, to counter disinformation that "nobody is on strike at Tesla".
In English, from Public Service radio of Sweden: sverigesradio.se/artikel/u-s-a…
U.S. auto union: ”Swedish Tesla union strike truly inspiring”
In addition to sympathy strikes across Scandinavia, the Swedish Tesla strike is supported by US auto union UAW.They tell Radio Sweden that the Swedish ...Sveriges Radio
Strike and blockades against Tesla in Sweden will get a temporarily decreased impact on Tesla vehicle owners decided IF Metall, the metalworkers' union in Sweden.
The dispensation will let Tesla vehicle owners with undrivable vehicles through e.g. having been totaled in traffic collisions repair those at 30 NON-Tesla repair workshops between February 19 (this Monday) and April 30.
The metalworkers' union agreements secretary Veli-Pekka Säikkälä estimates 100-200 cars are currently damaged to the affected severity.
Repairs at Tesla's own repair workshops will still NOT be permitted.
Which individual Tesla cars will be allowed within the union's dispensation will be decided by the union's local rep together with the repair workshop where the car is awaiting repairs.
Veli-Pekka clarifies this is NOT them backing down, but in fact a signal that they intend to keep striking until victory,
while it will let local workshops recover some costs for already stocked repair parts and decrease impact on those with cars unusable for months now.
"When this window closes, it will be very difficult to get one's car repaired so one must consider with caution which car one buys", Veli-Pekka also very helpfully points out, which may also be a hint of the expected length of intransigence on Tesla's part.
The strikes against Tesla expand in Sweden.
The "Swedish Union for Service and Communications Employees" (SEKO) today issued notice that its members will stop connecting any new, do project planning or maintenance, etc of all of Tesla's charging stations in Sweden, in a sympathy strike with the ongoing IF Metall, metalworkers' union strike.
This new part of the strikes against Tesla will take effect on March 4 at 01:00.
sverigesradio.se/artikel/swedi…
Swedish Tesla buyers have no problems getting their cars despite strikes
Tesla's sales are increasing sharply in Sweden and many customers are getting their new cars, despite the IF Metall union strike and various sympathy strikes.The ...Sveriges Radio
I deem the statements made incredible, actually not credible, so since I consider it either misinformation or disinformation I can not responsibly and will not aid in further propagating the article's content.
But now you know it happened, after 5 months(!!!).
The Postal Service in Sweden has no obligation to deliver to Tesla under solidarity strike with the metal workers' union in Sweden.
The strikes and blockades against anti-worker Elon Musk's Tesla in Sweden will be expanded yet again by another union joining in a sympathy blockade.
This time it is "Unionen" (self-describing as "Sweden’s largest trade union on the private labour market and the largest white-collar trade union in the world") halting all work done at DEKRA Industrial corporation for Tesla, listing as an example of such work the inspection of vehicle elevators at Tesla, on May 14 unless Tesla has reached an deal with IF Metall, the metal workers' union of Sweden.
"It is disgusting", comments metal workers' union ombudsperson Peter Lydell (depicted) that anti-worker Musk's Tesla has been flying in scabs to break the metal workers' union IF Metall's strike for the collective agreement customary in Sweden, a strike which also has many other unions both in Sweden and all Nordic Countries participating in solidarity actions, increasingly since October 27, 2023.
It is the newspaper of the paper-, metal-, forestry-, woodwork- and media-unions that has revealed today that Tesla on 41 occasions have flown in workers from Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Switzerland, Spain, Great Britain and Austria to use circumventing the ongoing strike.
"It's serious. The [labor market] parties agreed in 1938 that this will not be something one uses", the union ombusdperson further comments.
"You have to go back to the interwar period [1918-39] to find anything similar", says associate professor in strike research Christer Thörnqvist.
The newspaper explains Tesla is using an EU-imposed loophole called secondment, letting corporations graft workers all across the continent.
Tesla had 0 (zero) secondments year before the strike but 41 cases since February, according to filings with the Work Environment Authority.
The circumvention of the strike against anti-union Elon Musk's Tesla in Sweden by ordering the license plates for new cars under sympathy blockade at the Postal Service and a private alternative (CityMail) to instead be delivered to other addresses "care of TM Sweden [=Tesla's company in Sweden]" will now be blocked by the labor unions too, as the blockades will be expanded to cover also those addresses from May 24, the unions announced.
Meanwhile, Court of Appeals announced yesterday that it rejects hearing Tesla's case demanding the workers' postal blockade against delivering car license plates for new Tesla-cars in Sweden be broken, tells Tesla such a case should have been in the Administrative Courts system instead of the general courts.
alongside similar also related to the staunchly anti-unionizaation tech giant Apple.
has now also sued Tesla for 100000 crowns (≈ $9400) because Tesla has not been giving out information regarding the company's economy and activities as required by the "Employment (Co-Determination in the Workplace) Act" (government.se/government-polic… in English) regardless of whether there is a collective agreement or not.
Employment (Co-Determination in the Workplace) Act (Lag om medbestämmande i arbetslivet)
Non-official translation. Amendments: up to and including SFS 2021:1114.Regeringskansliet
The United Auto Workers Union (UAW) in USA "has filed federal labor charges against disgraced billionaires Donald Trump and Elon Musk for their illegal attempts to threaten and intimidate workers who stand up for themselves by engaging in protected concerted activity, such as strikes."
uaw.org/uaw-files-federal-labo…
I'll file this in my thread on the metal workers' union lead strike still ongoing since October 27, 2023, in Sweden and surrounding countries, because the illegal retaliation tactics suggested by Trump are those Tesla publicly stated they would use against the workers in Sweden until they were told that is illegal and the shockingly incompetent bosses didn't know that.
Same struggle, worldwide. Tesla and Trump, same malicious anti-worker metastasization threatening everyone.
UAW Files Federal Labor Charges Against Donald Trump and Elon Musk for Attempting to Intimidate and Threaten Workers - UAW | United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural Implement Workers of America
The UAW has filed federal labor charges against disgraced billionaires Donald Trump and Elon Musk for their illegal attempts to threaten and intimidate workers who stand up for themselves by engaging in protected concerted activity, such as strikes.Justin Mayhugh (UAW | United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural Implement Workers of America)
The IF Metall-lead strike against anti-worker Elon Musk's car company Tesla in Sweden is the longest in modern history, Public Service radio of Sweden points out today, as it will have been continuously ongoing for 10 months in 2 days,
also pointing out that 10 unions in Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland have joined with sympathy actions (e.g. blockades, overtime strikes, etc) in support of IF Metall's strike.
The union's agreements secretary Simon Petersson says they have even more actions they may activate in their conflict for their right to the collective agreement which is the norm in Sweden and that the number of union members at Tesla in Sweden (or "TM Sweden", as is its proper name) has risen during the strike from just over 40 to roughly 50, which the agreements secretary says they estimate to be just over 50% of "the potential members, that is those who would be encompassed by the agreement if we would agree on one".
Tesla in Sweden as usual chose to not comment to the press but just referred to a previously written PR-statement, which has been found inaccurate so I won't repeat it.
Public Service radio also mentioned that the latest mediation attempt was in April.
Pic: IF Metall Stockholm picket guards Carl Stern and Arturo Vasquez at Tesla's facility in Segeltorp, Stockholm.
"Swedish union files lawsuit against Tesla over labour conflict"
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Well, I tooted that information when it was actually new on July 2nd (see earlier in this thread) but nobody boosted and now it's a new "news" article from Reuters.
The postal service is not required to deliver to Tesla under sympathy-blockade by labor unions supporting IF Metall, the metalworkers' union of Sweden, ruled the Solna District Court just north of Stockholm city.
The blockade's purpose is primarily to deny delivery of new car license plates enabling sales of new Tesla vehicles during the very long strike for the workers' right to the normal collective agreement (see earlier in this thread).
Senior Judge Patrik Alm at Solna District Court said it is "Because we are prevented from intervening in the ongoing labor market conflict and if we had ruled as Tesla wants we hold that it would have been the same as intervening in the labor market conflict and we are for constitutional reasons not allowed to do that." (my translation).
"We strongly recommend against having anything to do with" unserious car companies says new statement specifically mentioning Tesla,
issued today by the association "M Sweden" (formerly "The Swedish Automobile Association", equivalent of e.g. the "American Automobile Association" a.k.a. "Triple A") which is the by far largest motorists' association in Sweden.
It is not directly related to the ongoing very long major strike against Tesla in Sweden, but instead is because Tesla has been added to the Blacklist by the magazine of the "Swedish Consumers' Association" (equivalent to USA's "Consumer Reports") over Tesla not following the decision of the "National Board for Consumer Disputes" (ARN) on warranty issue, particularly a case where a Tesla customer had the doors on their vehicle mounted wrong and other issues so wanted the doors to be remounted correctly and resulting damages repaired, but Tesla refused.
The blacklisting of Tesla may strengthen the metalworkers' very long strike against Tesla, so I'll put this toot in that thread.
Public Service radio of Sweden "has reached out to Tesla for a comment", but didn't report getting statement.
Tesla in Sweden almost always leaves public relations to a walkover loss after previously admitting intent to commit law violations to press.
After the Supreme Court rejected anti-workers Elon Musk's Tesla in Sweden seeking to order breaking of the Metal Workers' Union (IF Metall) strike which has been ongoing for 1¼ year now by ordering the postal service to end its sympathy strike blockade on delivering new license plates for new Tesla cars...
...they now brought the same issue as a new case to the Administrative Court in Karlstad (western mid-Sweden) and probably intend to bring it all the way up to the top again, now to the Supreme Administrative Court which is equally Supreme to the other Supreme one, but for administrative cases (i.e. involving the State, municipalities, agencies, etc) while the other Supreme court does criminal law and civil law cases.
IF Metall in on strike since October 27, 2023, because they just want the same collective agreement as is normal for every similar employer in Sweden since about a century.
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