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U.S. TikTokers flock to Xiaohongshu, baffling and bonding with Chinese users.
Americans are joining the Chinese social media app en masse to protest an imminent TikTok ban.
- American users have flocked to Chinese social media platform Xiaohongshu in defiance of security warnings.
- Chinese and American users have engaged in surprisingly friendly conversations about each other’s lives.
- The influx of American users could burden Xiaohongshu’s censorship mechanism, experts say.
TikTok refugees flock to RedNote and connect with Chinese Xiaohongshu users - Rest of World
U.S. TikTok users are joining Xiaohongshu (also referred to as RedNote) to protest the TikTok ban, conversing with Chinese users while challenging censorship rules.Viola Zhou (Rest of World)
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From the article somebody further up posted up, rednote has had about half a million downloads from app stores in the US.
TikTok's US consumer base is about 136 million if my memory of what was said on NPR a couple mornings ago is accurate.
While I am sure that number will be growing, a lot of the feeling of everybody moving to redhorse appears to be astroturfing.
Like... they had a 50,000 person live event that sounds awfully a lot like like a recruitment seminar/product orientation.
This isn't organic.
As someone who is experiencing it as it happens, it feels like the most organic thing I've experienced on a social media site. I'm sure that a huge part of why I feel the way I do about it is because I'm being served the content I interact with and I mostly interact with english content. However, I see PLENTY of faces I recognize. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility to say that many americans responded to the tiktok ban with spite and chose an actual chinese social media bc fuck em.
To be clear though, it isn't organic. The American government gave it an impetus.
I get that it is the most organic thing you have ever felt, but that should be itself something that makes you raise an eyebrow.
A foreign language service that does not cater to you, in a language you don't speak, and theoretically has none of your prior data is perfectly catering a social media experience tailored individually to you, and doing it on a level that no corporation who has been targeting and grooming you for 20 years has been able to achieve.
Either your comment itself is inorganic and mere advertising promising impossibilities, or you are a genuine person offering such extreme praise but we need to be skeptical here.
You aren't saying the app is good. You are saying it is the best experience you have ever been provided, and if that is the case, this app has some explaining to do on how they achieved that.
Genuine or not, your thoughts on the matter are weird, so weird that it becomes hard to even respond to.
With all due respect, this comment is exactly what a faked "Grass roots marketing campaign" would write. But your account has an extensive post history, so thats a lot more effort than a typical astro turf account.
Also, inflating subscriber numbers and view counts wouldn't be out of the question either, remember Facebook video...
Just check it out, the volume of engagement is massive enough the FYP page can get very specific and very recent.
There's even a few Australians like "Yeah, they're not gonna ban the app, but here's a kangaroo"
I dont mean that your tone is bot like or anything, just that they would want authentic voices.
I do find it hard to beleive, because look at the reddit and twitter transitions. They either took years (bluesky is only barely starting to gain notability, and I'm not convinced that isn't also doing astroturfing) or never happened (Lemmy userbase is a rounding error). Getting people to switch social media is very difficult. And tiktok isnt even banned yet.
Also, just because there are no ads, doesn't mean that no one is propping up the business. Someone is paying to keep the servers running and lights on, and an astro turfing campaign isnt that expensive. Social media companies either grow or die.
So if your liking this new site, power to you, but I suggest you enjoy it while it lasts, because its going to have to become profitable somehow, and that is never good for the users.
Also, just because there are no ads, doesn’t mean that no one is propping up the business.
There is a shopping tab, and ads are allowed as long as it's declared I think. Undeclared sponsored content gets bans.
Remember that twiiter was not up against a deadline. There was no reason to move to move quickly.
We just had a supreme Court hearing on tiktok yesterday and it didn't look good for tiktok. That's why this is more sudden.
Why RedNote instead of loops.video or something? I'm not sure how the influencers decided to go there. Maybe that's your conspiracy. Or maybe one person thought of migrating to another Chinese app as protest and other people copied them
It seems entirely plausible to me that someone that uses tiktok a lot saw enough folks talking about it that they thought it would be an interesting story.
Further I feel like:
“I just wanted something that could replace TikTok, and also it was sort of an act of protest against our government,” the Texan said.Xiaohongshu did not respond to Rest of World’s request for comment, including on the latest count of overseas users.
Although Xiaohongshu is widely used by overseas Chinese people, the platform has made limited efforts to attract a broader international user base. Even Xiaohongshu’s logo is designed with the Chinese characters of its name. It offers no in-app translation for user posts or comments, and only suggests Chinese-language keywords in its search bar.
But the sudden increase in American users likely poses new challenges for Xiaohongshu, as the platform tries to balance global business expansion with pressure to enforce China’s censorship laws.
are not really the sorts of claims that would exist in an astroturf campaign. I mean maaayybe they wanted it to appear more authentic, so they invited the writer to be more critical and portray the app in a revolutionary light that is pretty counter to it's culture, but I think it's far more likely to be genuine.
That's a non sequitur. The jump from MySpace to Facebook was practically overnight.
Hell, Digg to Reddit as well.
I am 100% seeing the same thing over there. It’s not astroturfed. A popular tiktoker got the idea and we’re all hopping over to say fuck you to the government.
And have all been shocked to find a very sweet, wholesome experience.
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It seems similar to tiktok; nudity is not OK, but sex-adjacent stuff like bondage is just fine. Art is fine as long as the genitals and nips are censored.
If anything, the chinese government should be thrilled by the idea of Americans seeing that chinese people are just like them and learning first-hand that 90% of what they thought they knew about China was just racism and western propaganda.
I mean yeah TikTok heavily buried criticism against the Communist Party as well, but it wasn’t flat out banned to talk about how a state deals with religion. It is on Red Book (actual translation of the chinese name of the app and yes it is named after Mao’s “Mein Kampf” type of book)
They are probably not all that thrilled. They’re completely censoring their internet and run own, chinese speaking apps abroad to stay in control of the narrative and their citizens. Having a bunch of friendly Americans hop on the app to show them how we’re all just humans on this silly planet is kind of a nightmare for the bureau of propaganda in Beijing.
Comparing Quotations by Mao to fucking Mein Kampf, you are an unserious person.
And also the exact kind of person who would benefit from going on rednote and talking to these people instead of believing whatever bullshit you're told about them.
Quotations from Mao Tse Tung
The 'little red book' that explained to the people of China the ideology of the Chinese Communist Partywww.marxists.org
A lot of assumptions and not a single argument.
You are not a serious person
Never heard that expression. Is it a direct translation from Chinese? Odd thing to say repeatedly.
If you had so much as read a summery of both, or even like just opened either to a random place and read a few paragraphs, you would immediately understand why those are solid assumptions from what you've said.
But even now, instead of taking the most basic steps to educate yourself, you're fortifying a position of ignorance.
Under the surface
The numbers are growing
Simply to flip off the US government
We're petty bitches
Doubt. Just sounds like they capitalized on spreading this hoping to make it real
Edit it’s working jeez the general population is so stupid
More than half a million ‘TikTok refugees’ flock to China’s RedNote as ban looms
RedNote, also known as Xiaohongshu, rockets to top of US app stores, along with ByteDance’s Lemon8Guardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
I saw people in some Chinese source saying XiaoHongShu is updating the algorithm to segregate Chinese users and foreign users (image 1) and hiring English Post Inspectors (image 2) to moderate English contents due to China’s policy
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It’s kind of like why there are Weixin and WeChat, Douyin and TikTok, Taobao and AliExpress, Pinduoduo and Temu
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When I saw the headline, this was my first thought.
But damn, it could have been something cool if reality wasn't so fucking predictable and ugly.
I mean, imagine a reality where a bunch of humans end up using the same service like that, between two countries at odds, and they realize that they have a lot more in common than they thought possible. It could be a bridge that changes a world.
Well, that world, because it sure as hell isn't the one we're in
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I mean, imagine a reality where a bunch of humans end up using the same service like that, between two countries at odds, and they realize that they have a lot more in common than they thought possible. It could be a bridge that changes a world.
The answer is Fediverse. From last time I checked while I am in Mainland China, lemmy.world is not banned (yet lemmy.ml is banned lol)
I am also able to use my own Mastodon instance in Mainland China.
Fediverse is the key and tool to break the Great Firewall.
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Let's hope it stays that way :)
We don't get to actually interact much with chinese people in China, here in the states. The more all us regular people can get to know each other, the more chance we have of maybe breaking down the artificial barriers that keep us locked into our own worlds
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I mean, imagine a reality where a bunch of humans end up using the same service like that, between two countries at odds, and they realize that they have a lot more in common than they thought possible. It could be a bridge that changes a world.
There's a lot of users expressing as much:
I know china has done some pretty fucked up things. But they've also built 25,000 miles of high speed rail, and a billion, that's 1000000000, sq ft of new housing, just in the past ten years. I don't know what percentage of the world's solar panels come from China, but I'd bet it's up there. They brought a billion people out of bone crushing stomach churning poverty in the course of a few decades.
When you stack up the fucked up things we in the west have done, vs what China's been up to... If given the option I'd think long and hard about emigrating to china.
They are not the devil they are portrayed to be for sure, its a hardline to walk to withold judgement on actions we have moved past. Its why we judge thr middle east for not letting women vote or gays exist despite these things not being too far from our modern society.
That said China works better for the collective while the "leaders of the free world" operate on some notions of personal freedoms. China has absolutely not lifted everyone out of poverty, poverty is still as present to the same extent for a lot of the population. All the while they are a force for misinformation, road blocking progress as a global community. They are an aggressive neighbour for all in their region.
If you want societal progress it need not come with blood and bone, while reducing discourse and enabling authoritarianism. I'd sooner cycle.
The two Spidermen meme :
"You're being lied to!"
"We are?!"
"We thought it was only you guys!"
And then revolution all around the world, utopia, happiness forever.
I guess this is one of the few things where China and the US fully agree.
If they'd let their people freely talk it would be way harder to demonize the other side.
Good. The TikTok ban is an outrageous act of censorship.
Edit: Didn't know the ADL are on Lemmy
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That's like trying to argue that fighting the Nazis in ww2 was an outrageous act of killing.
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I can go and criticise China on any US social media platform. But I will be shadowbanned, throttled, or blocked if I do the same for Israel. That's primarily why TikTok is being banned.
Jonathan Greenblatt. ADL director gave it away last year in a leaked recording when he said "we have a TikTok problem".
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Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.youtube.com
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"Nobody I want to follow is using it."
By and large, the average user is a content consumer, not a creator. The consumers want to go where the creators are, but the creators won't go where there aren't already consumers. This will always be the biggest problem for any Fediverse platform.
It might take a little while for the email to show up. When I signed up, it was a couple of hours, but it was under a good bit of stress at the time.
Things are going smoothly this morning. Uploads are quick to process, and the timeline seems to be moving along with new content. So YMMV
Yes, there is an Android app, but it does need to be side loaded. There is an APK download once you get signed into the web interface.
Similarly, there is a TestFlight for the iOS app.
I feel like in it's current form it's more likely to lose lifetime fans than catch them. I would be genuinely surprised if nothing happened to make the experience on rednote worse, and from what I've heard it would be also a valid target of the existing law, so just as easy to shut down.
Also doesn't loops currently just have a fire hose feed of all videos uploaded in chronological order? Seems like it's lacking core features that would make it stick for folks.
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LOL, the irony is that red note is censoring posts from those "tiktok refugee".
It is such a western privilege to think that they can avoid unnecessary censorship and big tech monopoly by moving to Chinese platforms. When Chinese knows full well that they don't have such choice.
To further the irony, the west actually have abundant options to avoid censorship and big tech. Yet people think they are "less usable" than google translating (big tech monopoly btw) your way into a censoring Chinese big tech monopoly...
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LOL, the irony is that red note is censoring posts from those “tiktok refugee”.
If they're applying any special moderation to tiktok refugee tagged posts, I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing a lot of people say not to discuss politics, but I'm also seeing a lot of posts asking Chinese users specifically about stuff like social credit systems and other weird perceptions or asking about what crazy perceptions Chinese users have about Americans (like that we can work at a restaurant for 3 months and afford to buy a house??).
What's the difference between censorship and moderation in this context?
They already bought all our info from Facebook and Google so why not?
Besides, what are they going to do with it that's worse than what an American company will?
why should I give a shit about that at this point?
I guess we should just all lie down and die.
Honestly, this is one of the saddest and scariest comments I've read in a while.
"I've already had one McDonald's burger that's bad for me, I may as well only ever eat McDonald's burgers! Why should I care at this point?"
I agree, it is sad, but your McDonalds comparison is not at all the same situation. I do when possible try to use privacy respecting software. There's a reason I'm on Lemmy. However, I'm using Lemmy from an Android phone. In many situations in everyday life, there is no simple way of avoiding having your data collected. My ISP and credit card companies collect and sell my usage information. I fortunately still have an older car, but when it inevitably dies, I'm gonna have to upgrade to one with an internet connection that also collects information. When my data is already being collected and sold by so many companies, I'm not going to stress myself out by worrying about adding one more, especially when the information they'd gain (my phone number and social media interests) is already plenty available from Google.
In your comparison, you act as if I've chosen to have this and have now given up. In reality, we're in a world where it's often the only option.
The correct answer is proper legislation to prevent and reduce this, because the sad truth is that the large majority of consumers never gave a shit.
When they own the platform they can use it to serve you catered disinformation.
They can have your data but unless they can also decide what you see as a result, it's not the same thing.
That's the difference.
So like Facebook and YouTube serve and spread far-right disinformation catered to manipulate you?
Facebook and YouTube's algorithms decide what you see and Facebook will even decide what's "true" for you.
I asked what they can do that's worse, not the same.
You confused us by saying a race, like you're spreading excuses for anti-libre software.
'Replacing one spyware for another' is clear.
A race, like ethnicity, which reduced the clarity of your initial comment.
'Replacing one spyware for another' is more clear.
You completely changed your post.
Everyone here knows who the troll is, troll.
Throwing in the race card is something that wumao are instructed to do regularly.
The fact that, like you pointed out, you hadn't said a single thing about race is a strong indicator that the person you're replying to is a paid troll.
Btw "wumao" is literally "five dimes", which refers to the "50 cent party" who are paid internet commentators with the goal to push CCP propaganda. The "50 cent" part refers to how much they get paid per comment.
Now I'm not saying this person definitely is a wumao, but my guess is that they are.
Well, the American one doesn't have an incentive to turn its own people against its own government with propaganda. As is happening with Tiktok and pushing pro-CCP and anti-American content.
And even if the only concern was spying, it's like saying "well a creep on the street snapped a nude photo of me through my windows, so I may as well take my own nudes and pass it around the neighbourhood."
Ah, ok. So we're doing whataboutisms. Got it.
I'll go next: China is pushing its authoritarian influence outside its borders by setting up Chinese police stations in foreign countries like Canada, to put pressure on Chinese abroad from saying or doing anything that would put a negative light on the CCP by threatening harm to family members still living in China.
You're turn.
Edit: for the record, I'm not even American and have no interest in their politics.
No. I'm not doing research for you. Even if I did, we both know you'd either dismiss it or ignore it. I'm a nobody to you and you're already biased against what I have to say.
We won't see eye to eye on this. We simply won't agree. It would just be a waste of my time.
You want to know how to turn an American against the US government? Tell them, without exaggeration, what their government is doing to them; and tell them, without exaggeration, what other governments do for their citizens.
It's that simple. No lies needed. No american with an IQ above a glass of undrinkable tap water likes their government or thinks their country is worth anything.
No american with an IQ above a glass of undrinkable tap water likes their government or thinks their country is worth anything.
Complete false dichotomy. This isn't a "my government can beat up your government" squabble.
The reality is that ByteDance has offices for CCP officials in their buildings. The Chinese government has a direct line of influence on the people who work at that company. A government that has openly hostile relations with the West (not even just the USA).
This isn't a discussion about whose government is better. It would be equally inappropriate for a US entity with direct control from the US gov to directly influence Chinese people via an algorithm to push propaganda. The Chinese firewall prevents such a thing from existing or having any significant impact, whereas the opposite isn't true.
All of that non sequitur is great, but the fact is no foreign country needs to do anything to make Americans hate their government. Nothing. Except provide a platform that allows free speech.
That's all Tiktok is.
but the fact is no foreign country needs to do anything to make Americans hate their government.
No one was arguing about making Americans hate their government. The argument is about TikTok being a pro-CCP propaganda tool. That's it.
You keep bringing it back to "hating America", when that was never the point.
What you're saying is actually a typical diversionary tactic that pro-CCP people use. Shift the target of the argument away from the CCP, exactly the way you did.
Please read the output of your LLMs if you're going to use them, you said:
Well, the American one doesn't have an incentive to turn its own people against its own government with propaganda. As is happening with Tiktok and pushing pro-CCP and anti-American content.
It's simply not. It's allowing Americans to speak freely on America without government interference.
Oh I'm sorry. You're right. I shall read my LLMs more carefully. /s
It's allowing Americans to speak freely on America without government interference.
Another way to look at it is that It's allowing anyone to speak negatively about Western governments.
And the point I was making is that TikTok is pushing pro-CCP propaganda; regardless if it's anti-American or not, but that's the part you keep focusing on.
And everyone keeps going on about "censorship from the gov" but the reality is that I see tons of posts, videos, blogs, articles, reels, etc on US based social media that says all kinds of stuff about the US, Canadian, UK, European, etc, governments. It's just so odd to me that Americans are so hyperfocused on "free speech" when I see all that stuff everywhere anyways. Half the time it's literally videos FROM TikTok that are just reposted elsewhere.
The main difference is that on TikTok there's a higher number of wack jobs that peddle garbage like flat earth, chem trails, anti vaxx, etc. The difference is that on Western social media that content usually comes with a disclaimer. The CCP is more than glad to allow that content because none of their citizens will see it. Chinese people can't see content on TikTok, they have a segregated version with completely different content for Chinese users. If the CCP cared about freedom, there would be no segregation.
That they specifically went to another sketchy app is what gets me the most.
I could name tons of social network alternatives that are decentralized, give users control but for some reason those are sidelined as everyone suddenly wants an account on app they never heard off a few weeks ago and its main selling feature is that is at least as insecure and censored as tiktok..
I joined specifically for the fuck you.
I’m staying because I have found the most adorable content ever on there. This one guy does a dead on Trump impersonation and is hysterical, and there is an imperial dynasty of cats on there in full costume that i’m fascinated by.
I wasn’t even this fascinated by tiktok but i’m shocked how much better this is than american social media.
Your catching me off guard but uh sure
- loops is a new tiktok like app for the fediverse. And probably most relevant. I say probable because i am still uncomfortable with this type of social media so i dont know what people expect or want from it.
- odysee. Similar algorithm based video scrolling but have not tried it.
- lemmy, bet you heard of this one before.
- mastodon, a similar trend of today. People left twittercorp shithole. Had to make a choice between established actual alternative or brand new and empty twittercorp shithole 2.0
If these event thoughts me something its that people actually have no problem changing platforms and websites. Which i previously thought was the case.
Its just seems unpredictable what actual sets a digital migration in motion and to where people will flock.
Supposedly they're doing it on purpose as a protest. Not just one sketchy Chinese app, but any sketchy Chinese app they can find. In the hopes that Meta and Google will miss them, and the federal government will capitulate to stop them using those apps.
Because apparently they haven't read the bill in question and think banning these apps too will somehow be "unsustainable".
It's still an act of protest. Even if it will only last a week.
However, XHS has gone through 3-4 major revisions in the past 4 days, they clearly are anticipating sticking around.
It would be so hilarious to me if they build a VPN directly into the app to sidestep the Great Firewall of America
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It’s kind of like why there are Weixin and WeChat, Douyin and TikTok, Taobao and AliExpress, Pinduoduo and Temu
Prove that. time.com/7207351/tiktok-refuge…
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RedNote Gains Traffic Ahead Of TikTok Ban — But Sparks Consent And Control Concerns
Millions are turning to RedNote, a Chinese social media app, as its resemblance to TikTok appeals to users. But dig a little deeper, and the reality becomes far more insidious.Jason Snyder (Forbes)
RedNote may wall off “TikTok refugees” to prevent US influence on Chinese users
RedNote may wall off “TikTok refugees” to prevent US influence on Chinese users
Rumors swirl that RedNote may segregate Chinese users as soon as next week.Ashley Belanger (Ars Technica)
RedNote may wall off “TikTok refugees” to prevent US influence on Chinese users
RedNote may wall off “TikTok refugees” to prevent US influence on Chinese users
Rumors swirl that RedNote may segregate Chinese users as soon as next week.Ashley Belanger (Ars Technica)
Ban Instagram, Discord and iOS first, anti-libre software.
They never will. This ban was never to help us.
They do not give a fuck about me or you!
And ban smart TVs!
And ban hardware firmware!
And shipping and receiving software!
And proprietary ore mining operation software!
All of it! They don't give a fuck!
My understanding is that nobody actually cares about the data collection, its more of a rebellious move to punish the government for, in their opinion, overreaching.
For the record, I don't agree with that - its just what I'm seeing.
Sketchy Oligargh Billionaire App VS State-Run-Sketchy Party-Official-Billionaires App...
Idk... Sounds like loose loose...
Party official billionaires are much better than sketchy "self made" billionaires.
Party officials owe their fortune and allegiance to the party, and we've seen some high profile cases of billionaires being brought to their heels very quickly.
Capitalist billionaires are the end result of a selection process that chooses the most self serving, greedy, ruthless bastards.
I'll take #1. Fight me.
Party officials made their fortune first and were then forced to join the party, the party doesn't make their fortune. They don't care about people, unless they get either rich or influential, and then uses their red book to reel them in.
China is the most capitalist country on the planet. The only thing they openly worship is money.
Please spend some time there and we talk afterwards, if you stick to your opinion.
China is the most capitalist country on the planet. The only thing they openly worship is money.
I disagree. What matters is power, and money does grant a lot of it, but in China especially this isn't as direct as it is in the US for example because of party politics.
Party officials made their fortune first and were then forced to join the party, the party doesn’t make their fortune.
That's a very broad assumption, and in some cases is true, some it is not. China has over 1 000 billionaires, over 100 of them are in the parliament, so it's a bit of a chicken and egg thing, they go hand in hand because of the power thing.
Please spend some time there and we talk afterwards, if you stick to your opinion.
Yeah walking the streets of Beijing will give me ample opportunity to meet & greet Chinese billionaires and CCCP top brass.
China’s parliament has about 100 billionaires, according to data from the Hurun Report
Want to rub elbows with the rich? Go to China.Sophia Yan (CNBC)
Propaganda.
If China were capitalist, they wouldn’t have lifted a record number of people out of poverty, continually be spending on improving public services, and prosecuting their wealthy. Simply participating in markets doesn’t make a country capitalist- it’s how that wealth is distributed or not.
But we’re fed this Sinophobic propaganda in the hopes we won’t notice that China is passing us by, and the average person there is living a far higher quality of life.
I'm not being fed sinophobic propaganda, I lived in China for 7 years, speak Chinese, and an married to a Chinese.
Quality of life is by and large alright, but there's a huge disparity between the so called middle class and the actual working class that's in violation of everything Marxist you'll ever read about.
They absolutely have a lot of room for improvement, and their leadership has openly acknowledged they need reforms to move towards a truer implementation of communism. They’ve already implemented some of those reforms.
But hats off to them for what they’ve accomplished so far. Unrecognizable from the country they were 30 years ago.
I take almost any Chinese party official over an American Billionaire. Rich people had their chance to prove capitalism works, it didn't....
China has shown it jails Billionaires, so their Justice system works better than the one in the US.
Out of my perspective, one system punishes overlords and the other doesn't. I know what you mean regarding the prohibition on critics of the system / important people / journalism / science ... but if we strictly compare the US with China in terms of billionaire punishment, China wins...
And regarding the massive steps the USA takes towards an autocracy, I would say the other aspects of the argument won't hold up much longer.
It seems like we need to go through this shit to finally get our star trek future.
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It's not the same category of social media though.
You've got (sorted by best to worst)
- content sharing/streaming (Youtube, Netflix, Spotify, Soundcloud)
- "private" messengers (WhatsApp, Signal, FB Messenger)
- public messengers (Discord, Matrix, Telegram)
- forums (Reddit, Stackoverflow, Lemmy)
- microblogs (BlueSky, Twitter, Mastodon)
- personality cult (Instagram, Facebook, Linkedin)
- infinite scroll (Tiktok, IG reels)
- etc.
Each of these can be called social media, but they serve different purposes and some are more harmful than others
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Is it that surprising that your average person in another country is easy to get on with? I've been to a fair few different countries and the everyday people you interact with are lovely (except France).
It's the fucking politicians you've got to look out for, and not just the foreign ones.
I spent one day in Paris, let me give you the highlights...
- We arrived, left the train station, and were immediately accosted by like 5 people trying to sell us friendship bracelets, or little string bracelets
- We left the area and walked to a local Metro station to get across the city, we wanted to check something, so we went to the nearby information section, where the lady refused to speak any English, despite the signage indicating that English was spoken there
- We figured it out on our own and entered the station, which smelled exactly and completely of piss
- We got off the train and walked along the river for about 10 seconds before being accosted by a conman pretending we'd just dropped some jewelry. Apparently it's a common con. We ignored him and moved on.
- We had an ok time for the rest of the day trip, until we got back to the original train station, where we sat in a café beside a family who decided to change their kid's diaper at their table, and then threw the used one to the nearest bin like they were playing cornhole
I'm not in a big rush to go back.
"I went to Paris, interacted with basically nobody French, hated it and so now I hate the French"
😂
That's not the only foreign city I've ever been to. Paris was the worst one I can think of, or at least top 3.
I'd prefer to go back to any of these:
- Cluj
- Riga
- Prague
- Emden
- Frankfurt
- Brisbane
- Singapore
Paris goes on a list with Jakarta and that's about it.
Here's the thing - the french motto is Freedom, Equality, Fraternity
They're massively into the equality thing. Whether someone's a waiter, a cleaner, a doctor or a judge, you must treat them with the same amount of respect
The only types of people that I've ever seen saying that the french are rude are the types that think cleaners are beneath them, and that everyone speaks English if you say it loud enough
This is kinda of my experience. The type of people that I see getting mistreated are the "I am le touriste, entertain me!" kind.
Americans especially tend to fall into this category a lot, they tend to be loud, brash and self centered, especially towards staff.
Look here you pot of lard, you bought a 2€ croissant, not my fucking soul. You want something, ask nicely and I will gladly help you. Act like you own me, I'm gonna piss on your food.
This is one of the two factors for the bad reputation of France from US, the other one is the cultural shock that French people prefer genuine conversation and hate small talk, they'd find random american's conversation superficial and faked.
I am neighboring France and we have kinda similar culture, though people here tend to dislike some French people for their lack of patience or accountability and their pride, though it's a stereotype, as always.
It's funny that I've never had bad experiences with the French and most of my visits to France were to Paris.
Then again I do speak French and try and take advantage of being over there to exercise my language knowledge in it as much as I can.
In my experience people almost everywhere (well, not in English-speaking countries, probably because English is the present day lingua franca so it's kinda expected that you can speak it) generally appreciate you trying to speak their language even if you're pretty bad at it and just trying to learn the local "good day", " goodbye" and "thank you" will get you a lot of goodwill.
I've lived in The Netherlands and they're "complicated" if you're used to, for example, English-style of politeness or even Mediterranean-style exuberance.
They tend to be very direct, objective-oriented and seemingly cold/closed towards strangers (they open up more with friends and family), so for example if you're in a work environment and one person's trying to do things in broken Dutch is hindering the actual accomplishment of the work objectives (for example, in a work meeting), that will probably be pointed out to them, though I've never seen it done so rudelly.
They also tend to be pretty proud of their English-language speaking abilities and when you're just learning Dutch and try to speak to them in it, often switch to English when they spot (from the accent) that somebody comes from an English-speaking country (so for me, who am Portuguese, they didn't tend to do it and I could just silently ignore it when they did because they couldn't be sure I actually knew English, but I had friends and colleagues over there from Britain, US and Australia who constantly got that and for whom it was a lot harder to learn the local language), though I don't think that applies in your example.
It bet that happenned in a professional environment or some kind of professional situation.
That said, that specific telling off would be considered rude even in Dutch terms: if a person's attempts at using Dutch are hindering doing the work, one is supposed to tell them that as the reason to switch to English (say, "other people are waiting behind you in the queue" or "we don't have time to do this meeting in Dutch", though one will probably not get a "I'm sorry but" or "I'm afraid that" or other such decorations to soften the blow which you would get in most other countries. In that quote of yours the other person making it about themselves "I'm not your Dutch teacher" and just bossing the other person "we will"(!), would be considered rude even by Dutch standards IMHO.
Personally (and note that I lived over 8 years in the Netherlands and do speak the language), had somebody told me off like that my reaction would probably be to not give a shit and carry on speaking Dutch since that person made it about themselves and I'm just as entitled to do it the way I see fit as they are to do it their way and I very much suspect (can't be totally sure) this reaction comes from that part of me that are the elements of the Dutch mindset I've taken in from having lived there so long (certainly the whole "I'm just as entitled to my preferences as you to yours" feels very Dutch).
During the period when I was starting to learn Dutch on various occasions the other person switched to English (probably because my Dutch was really bad or I was having trouble following them) and I just kept on speaking Dutch, and I think I was once or twice told off for trying to say something complex with my really broken Dutch whilst buying something and I was holding the queue, but they simply pointed out I was holding the queue.
So you're surprised people didn't switch to the app you think will be banned?
Are you using the word "surprised" right?
nothing but 30 year old men following her and watching her doing dances.
This App is truly a swamp of shit.
Surprise! Pedophiles are everywhere! Even in the Fediverse!
Though that doesn't excuses anything, though.
Tiktok shows you more of what you engage in and throws some randomness in there so you don't get stuck in a local minimum. It's like when YouTube's algorithm kinda worked and you could see how it'd possibly be better; bytedance actually pulled it off instead of enshittifying.
And it takes time for the algorithm to learn your tastes. If you're a mouth breather at heart you're gonna get mouth breather content no matter how much you try and change it. If you're a perv and linger on thirst traps... You're going to see more thirst traps.
With your described scenario, that's not unique to tiktok- that can happen on any platform when the child is unsupervised. It could have been twitch, Roblox, Instagram, Snapchat, it myriad other platforms; the real problem there is inattentive parenting.
I've learned about more shitty local government practices from tiktok than any other platform. I've been exposed to points of view I'd never otherwise see. Random videos have triggered just as much progress on my mental health as years of therapy. I've found people far more articulate than me explaining shit that combats my family's far right talking points in a way where they actually listen and change their mind, and vice versa.
I've also consumed an inordinate amount of white hot memes and mountains of brain rot lol
But yeah. The TT algorithm is a mirror (given time). It reflects your persona back at you with the type of content you see.
So having a coworker break into your child's account is inattentive parenting?
Tell me you don't have kids.
No really, please confirm.
I don't want to see "kids in cages" on the news again.
I have kids. I don't see how that's relevant here.
Children shouldn't have social media accounts in my opinion. Nothing to attack or break into if it doesn't exist.
A coworker shouldn't know enough or otherwise have enough access to your child such that they can break into their accounts.
Failing all that, parents need to have frank discussions about the potential dangers of internet fans turning into real life people, and some of the more severe potential consequences.
Even without those three layers of failure, your kids need to know about basic online account security, like using unique strong passwords and two factor authentication.
That all being said- I don't know the people or the situation. But from your short account of things that's what I see as wrong with the situation.
In general, the social networks of today are optimized for extracting value and attention from adult brains; an incomplete adolescent brain stands no chance.
Kids can still socialize electronically just fine in group chats with the advent of RCS implementation on both major phone platforms.
Not sure what kids in cages have to do with anything or why they were mentioned.
This is a fine example of how the american government doesn't care about the interests of americans.
The government only exists to serve the wealthiest among us. Some of those wealthy people are upset that Chinese aristocrats are getting all that money.
This trade war only exists because rich americans want more money for themselves. It has nothing to do with national security and you're a useful idiot if you think otherwise.
You don’t lift 800+ million people out of poverty by concentrating all of the profits among a small few. And China has increasingly been prosecuting their wealthy.
Which is what they really don’t want us learning to do.
Why would I need to, these things have been known for decades?
Don't get me wrong, capitalists (ex apple) love to collude, but it doesn't make china some magical perfect land.
Yes, the intelligence orgs have been spreading lies for decades.
China isn’t perfect, but most of the scandal news we hear about it is fabricated by our government. Even our own government has now admitted they made up the Uyghur genocide claims.
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What they were actually trying to combat was China preventing the US from continuing to radicalize and use the Uyghurs as a front for regime change operations.
State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence To Prove Genocide In China | Stanford Law School
But evidence that it is carrying out other forms of genocide abounds, Beth Van Schaack, a visiting professor at Stanford Law School’s Center for HumStanford Law School
First, thanks for actually following up!
About the actual statement:
The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide
I believe that "technically, we cannot prove it's genocide, just crimes against humanity" is still a pretty clear and bold statement.
They’re putting their spin on it. In reality, the State Dept has been trying to radicalize and train the Uyghurs as an extremist front to destabilize the region. China has been working to detain, de-radicalize, and rehabilitate the extremists.
Even in their own spin, the State Dept does not imply any loss of life or mass casualties.
Capitalists use the same exact argument for why outsourcing labor to the poorest countries is actually a good thing. For real, I’ve argued so many right wingers saying “searching for the cheapest labor actually helps the worlds economy because you’re lifting those poor people of _____ out of poverty! It doesn’t matter that it’s only pennies/day, because to them, that’s a lot of money!”
Pretty goddamn gross behavior.
I wasn’t making a 1:1 comparison. I was saying that “but look how many people have been lifted out of poverty!” argument is a capitalist argument, because it completely ignores the reality of the situation. Have people been lifted out of poverty by outsourcing? Of course. But that doesn’t negate the core problem.
As the other person mentioned, outsourcing manufacturing TO china is largely responsible for the manufacturing boon there. And then rich Chinese capitalists (though they use the cover of not being called capitalists) became rich middlemen between “western” businesses and the cheap Chinese labor. So outsourcing has absolutely contributed to it. You and the American capitalists are looking at the same thing, one is crediting American executive innovation, the other is crediting the CCP.
Exchange isn't extraction. If you're buying raw materials from Africa, yes. If you're buying finished goods from China, no.
This is precisely why the US had a sudden about face about China. They were hoping their entryism with capitalist exchange would result in the fall of the communist party, who number one priority is preventing the plundering of resources through unequal exchange.
Hold up. You think the Chinese are the ones deciding to manufacture low quality products, and not the capitalists who are ordering them that way?
They are spreading their wealth to those in need. Not exploiting. They value mutually beneficial relationships.
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Hold up. You think the Chinese are the ones deciding to manufacture low quality products, and not the capitalists who are ordering them that way?
Chinese brands owned by Chinese capitalists operating with consent from the chinese state.
spreading their wealth to those in need
Using planned obsolescence and taking advantage of poor consumer and environmental protection laws to sell garbage to people trapped in a cycle of poverty isn't exploitation? Also China 'invested' billions here too and we didnt get any hospitals. We got china flooding our markets with its shitty goods and chinese 'businessmen' running scam centers.
They value mutually beneficial relationships
they do have a mutually beneficial relationship with our dictators.
China is a capitalist shithole but for some reason its biggest defenders are always self proclaimed western communists.
edit: we also have a few militant communists groups that like to blow up chinese nationals working for their govt every now and then.
China is a capitalist country with aspects of socialism. it's not really communist anymore.
No one here is shitting on communists, were shitting on you for a thinking the Chinese are any different than us.
What do you think “capitalist” means?
I don’t think you know, because by definition there cannot be “alot.” That’s the whole point of capitalism- to concentrate the means of production into the hands of a very few.
Chinese manufacturers build according to budget. They are perfectly capable of making high quality products, and do. The problem is a lot of companies (looking at you, Walmart) demand their Chinese manufacturers build products for a pittance -- the manufacturers won't say no, but they'll find a profit for themselves by using lower cost materials. (ETA: also less quality control and cheaper labor)
Ask yourself -- if you were a woodworker and someone offered you $250 to build a small stand out of wenge, you'll probably do a good job of it. If someone offered you $30 to build the same stand, and you really needed that $30, you'd make it with pine and just paint or stain it to look like wenge. Chinese manufacturers are no different.
you don’t lift 800+ million people out of poverty by concentrating all of the profits among a small few.
This is false attribution.
There's no way to verify how other political system would have worked for China. Maybe it would have worked even better? Taiwan for one is richer, stronger and happier than China per capita so does that mean dictatoriship -> democracy is a better system? Do you see the flaw in this attribution logic now? So, unless you have a time machine...
Actually it’s very easy to know. By design, capitalism concentrates most of the reward among a small number of privileged few.
And people with good sense judge a country by how well it’s working people are doing- not by how much more wealth a few people have been able to hoard.
Taiwan for one is richer, stronger and happier than China per capita so does that mean dictatoriship -> democracy is a better system
Everything in that sentence is factually untrue, I need to get some of the stuff you're smoking because it must be crazy strong.
There’s no way to verify how other political system would have worked for China
It's very easy to know. India and China have similar landmass, population, and got their independence at around the same time.
The difference between the two is that China's people democracy is an objectively superior system to bourgeois dictatorships they have in India and Taiwan.
It's ridiculous to compare mainland China with Taiwan, as that island is incredibly small and therefore much, much faster to develop, and it received a lot in investments from the USA as they need a strong ally at the PRC's borders to support their hegemony. Look at south Korea for another example.
- Taiwan GDP per capita: 36,000 USD > 12,500 USD of China
- World Happiness Report Taiwan places 27th > 64th of China
Do you want me to keep going?
The difference between the two is that China's people democracy is an objectively superior system to bourgeois dictatorships they have in India and Taiwan.
And how do you determine that? By feeling the vibes? There are way to many variables to attribute all success to a single one. It's just not scientifically testable. I'd like to point you to this brilliant economic nobel prize award of this year that did use science to prove the effectiveness of political systems in a way. This is sort of scientific proof we need to really understand the value of these political systems but until we have evidence like that or a time machine we might as well be yelling at clouds here.
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So one Chinese spying platform is worse than other Chinese spying platforms.
I mean, it's interesting in the sense of something big being really honestly banned in USA.
That seems to have been a part of Russian, Iranian, Turkish etc Internet experience.
But I still want back the days where we'd talk about programs and services, not platforms.
There's a program you can use to communicate to other people, it, of course, communicates to a service, but the protocol is small and already reverse-engineered, and you can use a hex editor to change the hostname or addresses it communicates with, even if hardcoded. Nostalgic ICQ sounds.
Or - there's a service you can use to find pages and files. There are hundreds of such, you can host one yourself. You'll have to dig through a lot of things you don't need and build your queries carefully, but there's no platform playing with your life. Just the Internet, and one of thousands of machines scraping it. Yep, it's big and most things there you don't need.
Or - there's a program you can use to have nice online communities. I didn't even know that Hotline and KDX existed when I was a kid. But if I knew, I would be even happier than it was in fact. No platform. Someone hosts a Hotline server.
There was also such a program that allowed you to navigate hypertext pages leading to other pages leading to other. And there were services which would serve such pages over the Internet to you and many others, and accept changes. People who think today's Web is in anything nicer than that Web - they simply don't remember how it was then. It can't be really felt by looking at archives of old personal pages and such, of course those look weak, they are a specter of the past. You need to go over web rings and read recent updates, by real people for real people, visit guest books and web chats and forums, see that world alive. Unfortunately I also remember how I wanted to be able to make that even more alive - via technical means. Like trying to live in a video game. That was a mistake many people made, apparently, and ruined the real miracle by pursuing that dream.
It's really cool. The people are super nice and welcoming. The cities are incredible. Their cost of living is leaps and bounds better than ours. Life is affordable there.
They just got it better. The cold war propaganda we've been spoonfed from birth was all lies.
We are the bad place.
Their cost of living is leaps and bounds better than ours.
Crazy how effective this propaganda is. Median Chinese salary is 5 USD/hour. Now 5x every chinese price you see to get really cost and revisit your comment.
No it's not and it's incredibly easy to verify so I don't understand why would you just lie. US salaries are incredibly high so very few countries can actually compare and coast China definitely doesn't.
I can speak from experience in tech sector how incredibly tiny Shenzen salaries are even today compared to everything else as I get recruitment offers almost every week. 60k/year is basically peak salary you can get as a senior software dev compared to 100-300k in US.
Here one source says avg annual income in Shenzen is 24,000 USD vs for example Denver of 94,157 USD — 4 times higher and that's Denver not San Francisco which would be the mirror of Shenzen.
I'm not an american or chinese but I know how to read data and it's pretty fucking clear here.
Average Salary in Shenzhen China: Local Data Breakdowns (2024)
A complete look at salary in Shenzhen, China. We review and compare data released by a government bureau as well as a prominent HR firm.Beau Parrish (TeamedUp China)
Literally no difference between that and Lemmy.
It's all social media and all has the same effect on us
You can't really infinite scroll on Lemmy for hours watching content specific to your tastes.
You might get five minutes per day of mildly interesting content on Lemmy
yeah that is definitely part of the appeal!
another part is that the self selected crowd is a bit... cooler
...by seeing how shit is lives are in comparison?
I don't think you understand how many centuries behind China the US is.
Except homeownership rates, poverty rates, homelessness, illiteracy, class mobility, workers rights, prisoners prisoners per capita...
The US is one of the worst countries given it's comical amount of wealth, usually coming in at rank 40 or lower by pretty much any stat you choose... Except gross GDP, the number of prisoners, the number of proper capita, the number of slaves working for private corporations, and maternal mortality rates. That's where the US excels that China simple can't compete in, arresting people, forcing them to work for profit for companies, and killing women in child birth.
Consistent problem with fascists who want you to hate outsiders. When those barriers fall, it turns out that most of the "enemy" are just people who want to live their lives.
This goes both directions.
But the Chinese people were never the enemy. The only ones who push that narrative are people who want to sow division and hatred.
It's the CCP and US government that are at odds with one another. The issue with TikTok is the CCP has control and influence over content served to Western uses.
It will be interesting to see how the ~~Chinese~~ US government responds to this
Yea, I made a post to my people to come to the fediverse. While we have capitalist and communist forums, ultimately the fediverse sits in the anarchist camp.
I like it because I'm suspicious of tankies and hate musk fucks. A nice 3rd option.
Can't stand the no freedom of speech, but I understand they can't have it because that would become a CIA backdoor to overthrow their leadership and also winnie the ping has let state capitalist run rampant. Ringing the lifeforce out of the populace in a way that would make Jeff Bezos proud, and erect. But you can't deny that, for an expansionnist fashistic budding empire, they do have their shit together and trains running on time and so on.
I'm starting to think the usa military won't be able to kill them all in a day and then starve everyone by sinking all their food and oil ships.
Turns out we know we're all being spyed on constantly and don't really care what authoritarian shithole (US or China) is creeping on us
We care more about the content of the app.
Surprised by how much is in English, but also surprised that China isn't the hellscape that we've been fed through the media. It's middle class people in both countries talking about real things in a completely new way.
One thing that surprised her, everything in China isn't just cheap crap. It's american companies that cut corners by ordering crap and shilling it to us and then blaming China for it being cheap. China makes quality products, but the US will never see them, and so we live with the perception that everything from China is crap, but only what we don't tariff to death makes it through. It's cool to see her perceptions of the world change.
I'm not some tankie, and I don't give a shit about tik tok, but there's a massive cultural exchange happening that's too huge to filter off the rip, and I feel like folks are realizing there's a lot more that unites us than divides us. Our billionaires don't like their billionaires and so we beef? Nah, not my fight
China isn't the hellscape that we've been fed through the media
China has been really showing off hard in the past few years, especially on tiktok. Chinese cars are winning and every single person on Tiktok knows about Chongqing. So I don't think this is as apt as it used to be.
I'd love more cultural exchange with China but it's really up to Chinese themselves. Literally all west media and apps are blocked in China. So should we converge on a clear propaganda app which is litterally named after the little red book of communist revolution as our "honest cultural exchange" source? Does anyone seriously think that's a good idea?
We have Lemmy, Mastodon, the whole Fediverse, bluesky, Telegram, Nostr — the free options exist already, it's up to Chinese to get some balls to meet us midway.
If you carefully cultivate your subscriptions and watching habits it's not bad. I get mostly stuff I'm subscribed to, a movie cut into thirty second chunks (right now it's Braveheart), tv clips with one of three pieces of music overlaid, a mix of benign recommendations that are mostly meh but sometimes funny, and thirst traps. So... it's not good but I do sometimea see something worth following.
It used to be worse, I think abandoning guntubers was the right call. I used to have Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson pushed at me.
Just proving US government right tbh.
So, US said: "TikTok is too powerful and has too much influence" and then people continue to be influenced. I kid you not, most trending rednote tiktoks right now are about price comparison between China and US with topics like: "veggies are like 2$ in China when they are 6$ in the US" with absolutely zero awareness of how economies work:
- median hourly salary in the US: 27 USD
- median hourly salary in China: 5 USD
Chinese vegetables are more expensive.
You could attribute this to people just being financially stupid but I think there's definitely some truth from US government pov that China has a lot of propaganda power over US citizens and I say this as non-american myself as it's quite apparent as a 3rd party observer.
Personally I still think low level laws that protect privacy of all americans is the way to go but America will never sacrifice free market money like that.
The only video like that ive seen was showing how cheap a day of vacation in china would be.
The app is obvi not a bastion of unbiased free speech. This is reactionary and even if tiktok were banned on the 19th, people would be put off by using an app where you cant understand 80% of the comments and some of the more subtle content. Its a protest.
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Ich muss zugeben, ich fühle mich geschmeichelt. Wer hätte gedacht, dass ein kleines Team von Freiwilligen etwas aufbauen könnte, das Ihre Aufmerksamkeit auf sich ziehen würde? Wir versuchen nur, den Menschen die Wahl zu geben, wie sie ihre Erinnerungen online teilen. Keine VCs, kein Überwachungskapitalismus, nur Code und Gemeinschaft.
Weißt du noch, wann Facebook gestartet wurde? Es ging darum, Menschen zu verbinden, nicht um die Interaktionsmetriken zu maximieren. Unser Projekt mag im Vergleich zu Instagram winzig sein, aber wir bleiben dem ursprünglichen Geist der sozialen Medien treu - Menschen die Kontrolle über ihre Online-Präsenz zu geben, ohne sie in Produkte zu verwandeln.
Du hättest uns ignorieren können. Stattdessen haben Sie uns durch das Blockieren unserer Links die beste Unterstützung gegeben, die wir uns wünschen konnten. Sie haben bestätigt, was wir die ganze Zeit gesagt haben - dass Big Tech mehr daran interessiert ist, ihre ummauerten Gärten zu schützen, als echte Innovationen zu fördern.
Jedes Mal, wenn Sie einen Link zu unserer Plattform blockieren, erinnern Sie die Leute daran, warum wir ihn überhaupt erstellt haben. Ihr Handeln sagt ihnen, dass es Alternativen gibt, die es wert sind, untersucht zu werden, die ihre Privatsphäre und Handlungsfähigkeit respektieren. Also danke, Mark. Sie haben unser kleines Projekt in ein Symbol des Widerstands gegen digitale Monopole verwandelt.«
(Maschinell übersetzt)
Mieszko Ślusarczyk
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Make Socials Social Again
makesocialssocialagain.nlScarlett
in reply to pixelfed • • •Burkhard Maria Zimmermann
in reply to pixelfed • • •Well played, Daniel, well played.
☺️🙏
#pixelfed #imstagram #zuckerberg #opensource
Topio e.V. - space for privacy
in reply to pixelfed • • •@zuck
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TeflonTrout he/him
in reply to pixelfed • • •No surveillance capitalism*
*but it still owns everything that gets posted there in every way, shape, and form to use however Dan sees fit, forever.
Please work on that terms of service
DVnet
in reply to pixelfed • • •I have a local social network, also that link is blockt on instagram. Its so childish, but that's Meta. 🤣
Elena Rossini ⁂
in reply to pixelfed • • •this open letter is EVERYTHING 🙌
Bravissimo @dansup 👑
The Creative Voice
in reply to pixelfed • • •cannasprite
in reply to pixelfed • • •Mia Hawkins
in reply to pixelfed • • •n x i z i x n
in reply to pixelfed • • •Blurry Bits Photography
in reply to pixelfed • • •I know it's fun and games right now trolling him, but is Pixelfed really ready for when Zuck throws the lawyers at Pixelfed to snuff it out?
Do we think it *wont* happen?
John Mierau
in reply to pixelfed • • •@paul_e_cooley unfortunately, intentionally or accidentally. Dan is following Elon's 'move fast and break things' mentality.
He's doing great things for fediverse visibility... but being a one man show leads to getting your ego involved or missing things (like Loops' egregious rights over-reach in its TOS).
Dan's done a lot of good... I just hope he can avoid an Icarus-style crash and burn that could undo a lot of that good.
..
Totally with Ю ⁂
in reply to pixelfed • • •Susan Ville
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in reply to pixelfed • • •Oliver
in reply to pixelfed • • •Choose Your Best Job
higherincomejobs.netlify.appCairo Braga [toot.cb]
in reply to pixelfed • • •this "open letter" is embarassing... to Pixelfed.
"connecting people"? Facebook was created to predate on women and use their data without their consent!!! it was NEVER about connecting people, it was always about misogyny, ego and money.
Transcedental
in reply to pixelfed • • •Thumptastic3
in reply to pixelfed • • •Kate Nyhan
in reply to pixelfed • • •Maybe someone should tell the lawyers who drafted the Loops TOS that :)
bajsicki.com/blog/loops-video-…
loops.video - phil@bajsicki:~$
bajsicki.comInfinity Counter 🟦
in reply to pixelfed • • •✦ Velvet Strawberry ✦
in reply to pixelfed • • •DausDD
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in reply to pixelfed • • •TronNerd82
in reply to pixelfed • • •Just kidding, he deserves every bit of criticism imaginable.
амёба
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pettter
in reply to pixelfed • • •seism0saurus
in reply to pixelfed • • •There is nothing you can expect from such an "inventor".
RhesusPieces
in reply to pixelfed • • •Herman 🇪🇺🇺🇦🇾🇪🍋
in reply to pixelfed • • •katzenberger
in reply to pixelfed • • •»You've confirmed what we've been saying all along - that big tech is more interested in protecting their walled gardens than fostering genuine innovation.«
All along? Here's what you said, last September:
»Meta approached the fediverse in the proper way
They didn't acquire Mastodon
Instead they worked with fedi projects big and small regarding interop
Meta isn't the enemy«
mastodon.social/@dansup/113202…
Daniel Supernault
2024-09-26 08:34:29
Bidouilleur
in reply to pixelfed • • •Badger AF (he/him) DEMOCRACY
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Dominique
in reply to pixelfed • • •Zoo
in reply to pixelfed • • •this letter was small and unhelpful.
I would love to find a platform without a "front-man" with an inflated sense of self.
Cătă likes this.
Richie
in reply to pixelfed • • •Max Legroom ☕️
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Len 🍉
in reply to pixelfed • • •catflyhigh
in reply to pixelfed • • •That aside the open letter of course is nice.
Confrontation Jacen
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in reply to pixelfed • • •Lars ♾️🌱
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in reply to pixelfed • • •Vincent
in reply to pixelfed • • •I love it... 😀
Giant Pink Robots!
in reply to pixelfed • • •LillyLyle/Count Melancholia
in reply to pixelfed • • •Zuck has always been a misogynistic arsehole.
Viss
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in reply to pixelfed • • •Kevin Russell
in reply to pixelfed • • •Honoured to participate in the community building human tools for humans. Great letter.
Keep building, we're going all the way.
#humans #freedom #fedi # Mastodon #pixelfed #humanTools #HumanCommunity #humanTools
Santiago
in reply to pixelfed • • •Maggie Maybe
in reply to pixelfed • • •I don’t know, I have never found it beneficial at all to write paragraphs to a man explaining how he hurt me.
You could probably edit half of this out and instead laugh at him for being so jealous of your little independent website that he’s terrified to let people see it.
ɹǝʇsbuɐɹd
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in reply to pixelfed • • •Hello dear happy new year 2025 will be your best💯🥳 year connect with Mrs William Sarah 👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇
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You'll definitely* thank me later .
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Brendan Thompson
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Lindsey
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Chris
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Wilfried Klaebe
Unknown parent • • •@ctrl pluralistic.net/2023/08/06/foo…: »Facebook, a cancer of a company founded to nonconsenually rate the fuckability of Harvard undergrads (incredibly, that was Facebook’s least terrible moment. It actually got worse after that)«
@pixelfed
Fool Me Twice We Don’t Get Fooled Again – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
pluralistic.netKarel Gillissen
in reply to pixelfed • • •JorgeLuiz
in reply to pixelfed • • •How unhappy happens when you must down the knees to your enemy ?
Play your game!
Do your best !
The Big Brother watches everything.He do not known do other thing.
Do not be romantic !
Be smart !
📷 🖋 ~hyde
in reply to pixelfed • • •JW Prince of CPH, Radicalized
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in reply to pixelfed • • •Stefan Fendt🌻🟩 🇮🇱 🇺🇦 🏳️🌈
in reply to pixelfed • • •"It was about connecting people, not maximizing engagement metrics."
No. It was exactly NOT about connecting people. It never was. It was about making money. Ever since.
Am I really one of the last people left on planet earth remembering Mark Z. having written "I don't know why. They 'trust me'. Dumb fucks." about facebook users? I cannot believe this...
Mark Burton
in reply to pixelfed • • •en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critic…
media coverage of the shortcomings of Facebook's market dominance
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Sally Strange
Unknown parent • • •Suburban Druid
in reply to pixelfed • • •Víctor A. Rodríguez
in reply to pixelfed • • •Please send to your Spanish-speaking friends this Spanish translation made with open source tools
rebel.ar/@internauta_de_antes/…
Internauta de Antes (@internauta_de_antes@rebel.ar)
rebel.arAkın Yıldız 🌈
in reply to pixelfed • • •But if I saw correctly the alt description is missing the last part of the letter.
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pixelfed
in reply to Akın Yıldız 🌈 • • •10tothe22
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in reply to 10tothe22 • • •Josué X.
in reply to pixelfed • • •Algú
in reply to pixelfed • • •If mr. Zuckerberg blocks the links to your project, it means you are doing a great job.
Maybe he is scared?
Ondřej Kozák
in reply to pixelfed • • •Tim Ford
in reply to pixelfed • • •Moniquedx 🐼
in reply to pixelfed • • •author_is_ShrikeTron🔠💉x7
in reply to pixelfed • • •Now Instagram is blocking hashtag #democrats ? 🤔
cosocial.ca/@timbray/113864803…
Also: mstdn.chrisalemany.ca/@chris/1…
Tim Bray
2025-01-21 05:57:03
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Mark Corbett Wilson
in reply to Wilfried Klaebe • • •Wise words from Cory Doctorow;
"From now on, I will put more weight on how easy it is to leave a service than on what I get from staying. A bad service that you can easily switch away from is incentivized to improve, and if the incentive fails, you can leave."
millennial falcon
in reply to pixelfed • • •your nice post was adjacent to this other nice, topical item
aus.social/@jackscottau/113868…
Jack Scott
2025-01-21 23:34:01