when people argue with me about due process and how they'd be fine bc they're citizens, I just say "You can't prove you have the right papers if you go straight to prison and never get to show anyone your papers" and then most of them get it
yeah, good to point out to people the "administrative error" -- like the one that happened in the case of Maryland citizen Abrego Garcia -- that might send you to in a prison in El Salvador with a US government unwilling to lift a finger to get you out.
President Donald Trump's administration has acknowledged mistakenly deporting a Maryland man with protected legal status to a notorious El Salvador prison.
That's the truly frightening thing about the situation in America that people just don't seem to understand. They don't even let many of these people speak to a lawyer (which is required by law, but whatevs I guess.) Just grab them on the streets, shove them into a van, and load them up on a plane. It's not just guilty until proven innocent, it's execution on the spot so to speak (a thing which may become all too literal soon enough in this country.)
@nazokiyoubinbou >> They don't even let many of these people speak to a lawyer (which is required by law, but whatevs I guess.)
It's because deportation is not technically supposed to be a punishment. It's supposed to be a civil corrective action like the police taking a drunk guy home. Of course the way the US uses it, especially deporting people directly into prison, this notion of "not punishment" is absurd!
if the law enforcement assumption gets to be "prove you're innocent", with assumption of guilt as the starting place, due process ceases to usefully exist and we're all totally screwed.
The whole idea of due process is that you get to make sure questions are answered on both sides. No one is picked up off the street by a masked man, thrown into an unmarked vehicle, then shipped to a foreign concentration camp.
Also, a surprising number of people think that as citizens they have all the protections of the Bill of Rights when they're at a border. (Hint: they don't. It's a no-man's land and a no-laws land as well. Human rights are a fiction when you're in the customs lines.)
Yeah, I know I'm privileged enough that I'm *probably* farther down the "first they came" list, but I'm also aware that the whole point is that I'm on it somewhere.
@xmacdonald Yeah, that's why I said "probably". Sooner or later they're going to start rounding up indiscreet white dudes, and if it's sooner, well, it's been nice talking to y'all.
@geos Cops do what they’re going to do. If you are lucky enough to get your day in court, and an opportunity to assert your rights, it might help if you have a lawyer who will do that for you. That’s a lot of iffs.
Imagine if it were true that all Actual Citizens™ of a given country were 100% guaranteed proper due process, while the authorities often sent non-citizens to indefinite periods in torture chambers on the incontestable whim of the relevant official.
That is a bloody evil country to be part of. Every citizen within it would have the moral duty to revolt against such inhumanity in whatever ways they could, *even if* they were personally in no direct danger of having that horrific power used upon them.
That's more diplomatic than my way of saying they look like a pedophile to me so we should be able to send them to a gulag in another country no questions asked at my say so.
In my sociology courses, whenever there was a section around immigration, I would always start with asking the students to prove to me they were a citizen. One time, a student just happened to have their passport on them. So I took it, looked at it and told them it was clearly fraudulent. I put it in my pocket for another 10 minutes while we finished that part. Hoping that those students remember those lessons.
This reminds me of an argument I got into with someone who was arguing that we should all be carrying our birth certificates at all times to prove citizenship many years ago. When pointing out that this made no sense for almost everyone they showed their habd as being a defence contractor where one is required to carry that level of documentation at all time.
They did not back down on this point when pointing out how that was not 99.5% of Americans.
That's how I explained it to my daughters. They're almost always "right", if they put anyone who can't immediately prove that they're legal in jail and on a plane in just a few hours.
Already bad for the ones with a passport, even worse for the other half of Americans who don’t have, never mind the 20M Americans that don’t have *any* document they could easily produce.
But they’re probably right, the most important ‘papers’ in the America of the future will be paper-white skin or privilege that shows.
@pronoiac seriously, like, do citizens need to carry passports everywhere now? And even then, it's not like the rule of law means anything to these people. Even as a white male multi generation birthright citizen it's no longer clear that I'm safe (though I still acknowledge privilege over people of color who must be rightfully terrified).
Your audience doesn't have to be on PeerTube themselves. They can follow and interact with PeerTube from within Mastodon etc, and they can even follow PeerTube from podcasting apps such as Apple Podcasts.
SCOOP: YouTube removes 'gender identity' from hate speech policy. "YouTube quietly removing ‘gender identity and expression’ from its list of protected groups is a major radical shift away from best practices in the field of trust and safety." usermag.co/p/youtube-removes-g…
The problem is most peertube instances either have strict upload limits (something like 50 MB a day; understandably so since videos are very resource-intensive compared to text toots or images) or are limited to "content creators."
I'm not a "content creator." I just upload gameplay videos with minimal editing or narration. There is no space for users like me on PeerTube. Unless maybe I seek out an instance that charges for membership.
I'd love to get away from YouTube hegemony but I have few to no options.
Crystal Breaker is a top-down scrolling shooter developed by Terarin games. The player plays one stage at a time, trying to get the best score. The main scor...
...but bear in mind these are being paid for by the instance owners. Usually they only cover costs for videos that other people might want to watch.
If you upload only for your own viewing, it seems reasonable to ask for payment? YouTube is only "free" is because it is spying on people and filling videos with advertising (and now it's allowing hate speech).
p.s. Let me know if you're on PeerTube, I give shoutouts to PeerTubers via @FediFollows and @FediVideo to help get them noticed.
PeerTube is not just about Linux and FOSS any more, you can have a look at fedi.video to see all sorts of accounts that have uploaded.
If you're not a video creator but you follow someone on YouTube, you might want to politely suggest to them that they mirror their channel on PeerTube so that people can watch without having to use YouTube.
@FediFollows My channel @fosserytech_channel is on TILvids, which is a great instance for educational content (currently it's mainly tech, but other educational content is also welcome)
In some ways, it's easier because you can submit your RSS feed to podcast directories then just publish in one place. @globcoco @FediVideo @FediFollows
@FediFollows could you just confirm if you put a video on Peer Tube that it is able to be deleted at a later date. I looked at DTube many years ago but once on you can't delete a video. Which could have potential legal ramifications.
@davethepitt @FediFollows DTube is one of those blockchain thingies? Yes, there you cannot delete stuff.
Peertube is different. It is plain old data is on the server and if you delete it there, it is gone (unless somebody downloaded and saved it, but I think that is not what you are asking for)
PeerTube is NOT blockchain, nothing on the Fediverse is blockchain!
PeerTube and the rest of the Fediverse are just ordinary traditional files on ordinary traditional servers. It is totally possible to delete them if you want to, just like any other file.
It is also possible to ask other servers to carry spare copies of your videos in case your server breaks down, but this is optional and up to the video creator.
@davethepitt @FediFollows if I’m not mistaken, PeerTube videos are deletable (just like the rest of the fediverse), though do bear in mind that just like any fediverse platform, instances could not comply with the deletion status
On PeerTube videos, they are streamed from the original server even if they have federated elsewhere. The file sizes are so huge, it isn't practical to automatically copy entire videos to other servers the way that text posts are copied.
The only exception to this is if you've asked other servers to make backups of your video so that it can still be played if your server goes down. But this is up to you and totally optional.
kurkı - Martha is the shared winner of Åbo Akademi University Foundation’s 'Vox Quercus' composition competition 2022.
Man managed to eradicate the world's most common bird, the passenger pigeon, by hunting it to extinction. The last known passenger pigeon was called Martha, who lived in the Cincinnati Zoo in the United States. Martha died in 1914.
"Martha" is a story of faith in the ability to influence and change the world for better. Flourishing soil feeds our children and birds. Children are the future. Finnish botanist Pehr Kalm's (1716-1779) effort to promote the coexistence of man and nature through scientific means is also heard in the work. Pehr Kalm has conducted a study on the breeding biology of passenger pigeons that is still considered significant.
The soundscape and rhythm of the piece is based on the sounds of melting ice recorded in an old abandoned railway tunnel in Halikko, Finland. The sounds have been carefully programmed and appear in many different forms, as ambient sound effects and as a supporting rhythm. The soundscape dives under the bark of an old oak tree as it waits for spring, warmth, the awakening of nature and Martha's arrival on its branch.
Snow heavy on my bough In this winter sound Many days I've waited for the wings to land On his caring hand Over soil and sand Feathers hover anywhere the wind blows to
Ooh Await the fields to bloom Ooh Our time will be here soon It's growing from this soil he seeds The children and the birds to feed
He traveled overseas With his plants and seeds Soon the sun brought creepers climbing up my spine "Lord bless this wine" I could here him sigh When the birds came flying high above the room
Ooh Await the fields to bloom Ooh Our time will be here soon
It's growing from this soil he seeds The children and the birds to feed It's rising from this soil he seeds Water and the sun we need
Snow heavy on my bough In this winter sound Still I wait for feathers Hover over me Find this lonely tree And I still believe That the wind blows from the right direction
p.p.s. It's not as difficult or expensive as you might think to start your own PeerTube server. There are managed hosting services which do all the techy stuff for you (installation, upgrades, maintenance, fixing any problems etc), and these start from US$6.99 per month inclusive of everything (fedihost.co/pricing).
You can ask @fedihost about entry level PeerTube hosting, and @Cloud68 is also a good one.
@BoydStephenSmithJr it can't hurt to ask them about it! a lot of channels I watch get most/all of their revenue from Patreon regardless, so it in theory would not be a problem for them
A lot of YouTube channels no longer make much in direct monetisation, they often make more from Patreon and sponsorships.
Patreon and sponsorships are platform-neutral, so they can be done on any video platform including PeerTube (for example @thelinuxexperiment mentions sponsors at the start, @michellemay mentions Patreons at the end).
@GroupNebula563 @BoydStephenSmithJr directly yes, indirectly no though. A sponsor wants to see numbers, and i bet you Squarespace is not happy with the numbers peertube makes for 90% of the people they currently have under contract (Squarespace seems to sponsor every video i watch haha, lots of art stuff) Don't get me wrong, I've been looking into peertube recently because I want to get rid of yt. But the monetisation via sponsors is nowhere near what you can make on yt.
Oh yeah of course, I just mean there is not a technical barrier 🙂
If someone's PeerTube started getting large numbers of views, they would be able to get a sponsor the same way they do on YouTube or any other video platform. And you can have sponsors on multiple platforms, in fact it's probably easier so you can upload the same file everywhere.
Also, patrons are available at any scale, I have patrons for my Fediverse accounts.
so is every tech company in the US legally required to do this now? like, is there some sort of new shit where all companies have to allow hate speech against gender identities otherwise they'll get the boot from Trump?
@cardboard No law AFAIK, it's just them being greedy and thinking they can make more money by pleasing Trump.
They want government contracts, they want favourable laws in other areas etc, and they see that Trump responds to people who suck up to him, so this is what they do.
I hope the staff at YouTube/Google walk out over things like this, sounds like a horrible company to work for.
@the5thColumnist depends on video length and such. PeerTube offers a feature where you can sync over all your videos from YT, though it is disabled on some instances
@the5thColumnist I know cuddly.tube offers unlimited storage (albeit at the cost of being just a tiny bit slow), so that might be a good starting point at least
@the5thColumnist fair enough, I presume they just have a *lot* of storage and will apply caps if needed. it's also run by a group that hosts some other stuff, so I suspect some of its revenue comes from other services
@the5thColumnist you will not lose your YT videos if you delete your channel AFTER syncing is COMPLETED FULLY. as for the Blogger thing, it is probably possible to edit your posts to show PeerTube embeds instead (though I’m no expert)
I'm going to have so much free time now! YouTube has now made it unsafe to use their platform for me, even though I've had to suffer creative folks finding ways to say basic English words that scare advertisers for years now.
- If accurate, this policy shift reflects a troubling trend in how digital platforms are recalibrating their boundaries around harm, identity, and speech. From a forensic and ethical standpoint, these choices don’t just affect moderation — they ripple through real-world safety, stigma, and public trust.
The dynamics are well-documented in works like Digital Lynch Mobs, Social Media Monsters, and The Twittering Machine, this is clearly worth monitoring closely.
Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you. They tell everyone you're doing horrible stuff, the worst crimes imaginable. They make videos, articles, livestreams, all pushing the same lies designed to make everyone hate and fear you.
Would you "just block them"?
What happens when other people don't block them? When other people believe them, follow them, share their lies?
What if this turns into real life abuse? If someone attacks you or your family?
This is what vulnerable minorities face because of badly-moderated social media:
I’m all for giving up on YouTube in theory. I’ve already ditched Google, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Office, etc. etc. Sign me up, but losing YouTube would be HARD. I watch so many creators on there and it’s the de facto place for sharing videos online.
@fraser hope you don't mind me pinging you about this, but any thoughts on also posting your videos to a Peertube instance? No worries if not of course, just thought I'd float the idea
Unfortunately, Google has bent the knee to the Trump regime, changing geographical names, allowing hate speech on its platforms, censoring the opposition, and so on... It's disgusting!
@ozoned Great resource, thanks. Curiously when I googled this, it didn't come up. Also, if I google "peertube xxxxx" xxxx being any other term, it always returns 0 results. I may have to switch to duck duck go.
I know this is a long shot, but are you aware of any Apple TV apps for Peertube? (And yes, I know Apple is pretty awful too, especially recently, but there’s only so much I can try to change at a time…)
Don't worry, totally understand the "one thing a time" thing! 🙂
App situation slightly complicated 😅
-There is no Apple TV app, but you may be able to follow PeerTube channels through its Podcasts app (at least you can on the iPhone), more info at fedi.tips/how-to-subscribe-to-…
-There is an iPhone app, but it is severely restricted by bizarre app store rules which don't really suit federated networks. I'd recommend using the website or podcast options as they're not restricted.
I’ve wanted to get off YouTube for years now, but I’ve struggled with finding a suitable alternative. I haven’t found any potential hosts that would allow enough space for how much content I make, and the pricing and setting up to make my own would be too much. I genuinely want to, but don’t know how to make it work 💚
It's much, much better than it was five years ago. That's why I run this account and the site at fedi.video, to highlight the interesting new stuff appearing on it.
Remove google entirely from our lives. And apple. And Microsoft. I am done. Not another dime, remove, re arrange, uninstall, delete, download, stop.
They arranged it, they paid for it, they slopped cash him, they surveil, they lie, they destroyed search. Among and together they arranged Americas fall, a democracy's fall.
So this seems to just be straight up not true. Please consider researching any articles you might want to repost as in this case you are spreading misinformation.
Here's what GLAAD (who specialise in protecting LGBTQIA+ rights) says in the linked article:
“YouTube quietly removing ‘gender identity and expression’ from its list of protected groups is a major radical shift away from best practices in the field of trust and safety and content moderation,”
"“If YouTube’s hate speech policy really does still protect people from being targeted with hate on the basis of ‘gender identity,’ the public-facing policy should continue to say that."
Not only this, YouTube also removed this from an example of rule-breaking:
“[Protected group status] is just a form of mental illness that needs to be cured,”
...so they seem to be now allowing people to be accused of mental illness if they are LGBTQIA+ etc.
Accusations of mental illness is how LGBTQIA+ groups have been persecuted, it's why it was illegal in so many countries for so long. Allowing this kind of language is opening the doors for awful and dangerous bigotry.
I totally understand why one would react to this change in a negative way. However, myself being a minority and subject to more hate speech than the people that see themselves as the superior race, have never seen the group of people I belong to mentioned specifically in hate speech policies. That doesn't mean I never felt less protected by them. It's not like YouTube now supports hate speech towards certain groups just because they don't mention them anymore.
I use my PS5 for media, which limits me to watching on YouTube... It's becoming apparent I need to scrap this convenience and build a streaming box to watch on my TV, cause everything is becoming nazified and I need to move more and more to alternatives that aren't on mainstream devices.
Considering this particular service went down just before the US elections last year due to an attack, guessing that at least some people don't like it existing and bringing up what they said before.
i made a peertube account to post there, but when i go on the app, there doesn't seem to be a way to log in. it automatically creates a 'local account' or something, which is...weird. am i missing something?
It's a long story but basically don't use the app. The rules on app stores aren't suitable for federated networks and have made it very difficult for PeerTube to make an app store app that gets approved.
I'd highly recommend using a server's website and then installing it as a web app, this will give you full access to all the features and bypass the app store restrictions completely. Here's how to install web apps: fedi.tips/how-to-install-web-a…
@taylorlorenz@mastodon.social Go figure. All of us saying that these huge corporations that made token displays of support for the LGBTQ+ community would completely change their tune the second it became more profitable to do so were right all along.
This is why corporations should have *never* been allowed at Pride. That debate had better be fucking settled once and for all at this point.
This is not surprising. Companies do not support minorities. The decision is not a change of heart but a revelation of a truth that always existed on YouTube.
#BoycottYouTube We need to put all of these people out of business and please stop sharing any YouTube videos on Mastodon. Money is the only thing they understand so let’s take all of theirs.
You ever just stop and appreciate how incredible and important it is that so many vastly different neurotypes exist? Like, there are people out there with special interests in, what to some people would be, the most off-the-wall, dull topics who are out there just improving everyone's lives simply by caring about something that few others do. There are folk who struggle to eat breakfast consistently and never learned their times tables, but expose them to something they're interested in and they become so incredibly fixated on it that they'll go without sleep to study it, work on it, and/or improve it until they're at the bleeding edge of the field because their ability to focus on something is either near-absent or a force of nature.
Meanwhile, conspiracy-brained neurotypicals who do nothing well but sophistry and emulating social cues are on stages and behind podiums talking about putting these intellectual weapons into camps, employers are losing what could be their top performers because they find the amount of eye-contact someone uses unsettling, or because som
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You ever just stop and appreciate how incredible and important it is that so many vastly different neurotypes exist? Like, there are people out there with special interests in, what to some people would be, the most off-the-wall, dull topics who are out there just improving everyone's lives simply by caring about something that few others do. There are folk who struggle to eat breakfast consistently and never learned their times tables, but expose them to something they're interested in and they become so incredibly fixated on it that they'll go without sleep to study it, work on it, and/or improve it until they're at the bleeding edge of the field because their ability to focus on something is either near-absent or a force of nature.
Meanwhile, conspiracy-brained neurotypicals who do nothing well but sophistry and emulating social cues are on stages and behind podiums talking about putting these intellectual weapons into camps, employers are losing what could be their top performers because they find the amount of eye-contact someone uses unsettling, or because someone shows up to work five minutes late a few times a week, for-profit education systems with steep fees and unnecessary course requirements keep people out of professions where they'd be star assets, and capitalism keeps people who could be improving lives struggling for survival.
What lives would we be living if we just gave people the space and resources to do what they care about?
I just read the blog post from the person who discovered that Pixelfed was allowing users to follow private accounts on other servers. It covers not only how the bug was discovered, but the egregious mishandling of the whole affair. I hate to say it, but at this point I don't know how anyone is surprised by this sort of thing. The sole maintainer, Dansup, who has (I'm fairly sure) admitted that he didn't really know what he was doing when he started out by forking what was to become Pixelfed, is notorious for pushing contributors away from the project.
Certainly there's nothing wrong with learning as you go, but when you wind up with a user-base as large as Pixelfed's, and you accept funding for the project, you then have some responsibility for the safety of your users, and if you don't know what you're doing, a responsibility to find and work with people who do to that end. Also, learning that Pixelfed doesn't have federated blocking enabled i
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I just read the blog post from the person who discovered that Pixelfed was allowing users to follow private accounts on other servers. It covers not only how the bug was discovered, but the egregious mishandling of the whole affair. I hate to say it, but at this point I don't know how anyone is surprised by this sort of thing. The sole maintainer, Dansup, who has (I'm fairly sure) admitted that he didn't really know what he was doing when he started out by forking what was to become Pixelfed, is notorious for pushing contributors away from the project.
Certainly there's nothing wrong with learning as you go, but when you wind up with a user-base as large as Pixelfed's, and you accept funding for the project, you then have some responsibility for the safety of your users, and if you don't know what you're doing, a responsibility to find and work with people who do to that end. Also, learning that Pixelfed doesn't have federated blocking enabled is a scunner; it seems like such a basic safety feature.
I lost a lot of faith in Dansup when he backtracked on the fedipact. I lost more yet when he played the victim after the backlash. More still when he when he made threads federation a user option instead of properly honoring the fedipact. Then came his behavior on Mastodon, pushing out contributors and complaining about them publicly, and now this, which is not the first serious security issue Pixelfed has had. At this point I'm strongly considering deleting my account on any server that runs software made by Dansup.
It's a real shame because without Pixelfed there's definitely a missing piece in the fediverse. The format, a low-text image-focused platform for people who want to get away from the soapboxes that other social media platforms become, is a nice one.
COVID, flu, measles, and all airborne viruses can seriously harm anyone, not just people who are immunocompromised. EVERYONE has a medical reason to wear a mask at any time and in any place.
In other words, when a mask ban lists a “health exception” in practice that health exception should apply to anyone wearing a mask at any time because airborne viruses pose a health threat to everyone, no matter your age or health status.
I visited a sports medicine clinic at my college this week and they had some "It is highly recommended that you wear a mask" signage up. They had more staff coughing than wearing masks (OK, that's admittedly not very hard when no one is masking). #covid #maskup
It's only a proof of concept at the moment and I don't know if it will see mass adoption but it's a step in the right direction to ending reliance on US-based Big Tech.
Depending on who the group is ... it is good to first do a thorough check on who the group is ... it can just as likely be a group of scam artists that are riding on some nationalism band wagon happening around the world these days.
They could, and if I was an EU government entity, I would do my homework on what they were offering, even if they were acting 100% in good faith.
However, helping governments get away from the clutches of the likes of Apple and Microsoft seems like a noble goal, and if this idea spurs that change regardless of the adoption of this distro, I think it will have been a net positive.
Government is only in the clutches of MS because MS bribes officials to maintain their cancerous software as a staple everywhere in Europe... Hungary is one of a few quite famous cases of bribery.
There's no depth to my loathing of MS and its illegal and anti-competitive practices.
A whistleblower says Microsoft employees routinely pass bribes to foreign governments in Africa and the Middle East as part of its foreign contracting business, a potential violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
If they are honest about what they are suggesting ... the first step would be to be explicitly clear about who THEY are and WHO they represent.
I really don't care that much about the technical side of things because I'm not that technically knowledgeable. However, I am more apt to trust the judgment or recommendations of prominent people in the industry (that are not corporately attached or controlled) ... I would also trust public institutions or journalists or academics with a track record of social advocacy and wanting to represent people instead of corporations or businesses. I would also trust politicians or political advocates that mostly represent people and public institutions.
I really don't put my faith in any one person no matter who they claim to be to just say they want to build something meaningful and give me no information on their background, who they worked for, who they represent or what kind of people or organizations they associate with. There have been far too many 'good natured' technocrats and technology people from the past decade or two who c
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If they are honest about what they are suggesting ... the first step would be to be explicitly clear about who THEY are and WHO they represent.
I really don't care that much about the technical side of things because I'm not that technically knowledgeable. However, I am more apt to trust the judgment or recommendations of prominent people in the industry (that are not corporately attached or controlled) ... I would also trust public institutions or journalists or academics with a track record of social advocacy and wanting to represent people instead of corporations or businesses. I would also trust politicians or political advocates that mostly represent people and public institutions.
I really don't put my faith in any one person no matter who they claim to be to just say they want to build something meaningful and give me no information on their background, who they worked for, who they represent or what kind of people or organizations they associate with. There have been far too many 'good natured' technocrats and technology people from the past decade or two who claim to say that they want to change the world for the better and then end up wanting to burn it all down for a profit.
So it’s made by the EU in the sense that the maintainers are likely citizens of the EU, I guess
Even after that, be reminded that this current mania in the EU has nothing to with being anti-american or wanting to dump American products or services themselves. The people who are most into this are anti-Trump, not anti-american or fundamentally against Europe being subordinate to the US. Most of them are probably secretly wanting the world to return to 2024 and EU being US junior partner of "the west" and happily eating MacDonalds and using microsoft services. It's not an European sovereigist movement at it's core and therefore it has not staying power after Trump or Maga.
It might be that these people are just Foss enthusiasts with pure intentions wanting to promote the cause by riding the wave. However if the wave is just a meme conjured because of Trump then this project or things like it have no staying power or future even if it really being an EU project or being adopted tomorrow.
There has been a will towards more independence for a long time. Trump was just an extra push (and I'm still not convinced even that will be enough... all these initiatives sound good, but past experience has made me skeptical they will really amount to anything substantial).
But I don't see it necessarily as anti-american. It's more like we do need to cultivate local products and services more. Europe has for a while been falling behind in a lot of areas, combined with an aging population and an energy crisis, we really need to try and develop internally if we want to keep ourselves afloat, otherwise I'm not sure we can maintain a stable situation.
Nah, just going along with Ukraine war and letting it get to and pushing to the point of war is a testament that Washington and Brussels are a foreign policy monolith. That finally sold it for me. EU is ready to sacrifice it's interests to drive their perceived transatlantic interests that the two political classes mostly share. EU political elite and media mainly hate Trump because he showed that EU capitals and Brussels are bunch of losers with no real political agency, who got conned into supporting and prolonging this unwinnable war to the hilt and are now being left to hold the bag.
First concrete move towards EU independence would be to stop this war and normalize with Russia, but in this fucked up world Trump wants both and EU wants neither. That is the fucked up world we live in. EU wants further conflict on it's continent and US doesn't want a war in Europe.
I do personally want European independence, but I see that EU in it's current state is not a force for it, nor is it good for Europeans.
I largely agree, that's why I was saying that I'm skeptical that all this will amount to anything substantial.
The will for independence exists in the EU, the problem is that the politicians don't have the balls for it and they would rather push to maintain the status Quo in all the things that matter. Instead they focus on small things that appear good on paper but don't really amount to anything. See for example the DMA and all it's promises of forcing big corporations to bend the knee and stopping monopolies.. even when a policy like that is written, it is hardly ever properly enforced. Has any company gotten any serious trouble for not implementing GDPR properly since it was introduced?
Generally true when we're talking about capitalism.
That's not necessarily true for FOSS projects, however, since money making isn't necessarily their goal. Linus Torvalds doesn't force you to watch an ad or sell off contributors' data to get the privilege of using the Linux kernel, for example. Bazzite doesn't sell IP addresses of people who download their distro to data aggregators.
However, you should do your homework and check who is in charge of projects like these and note what changes they're bringing.
I wonder how much work is entailed in transforming Fedora in to a distro that meets some definition of the word "Sovereign" 🤔
Personally I wouldn't want to make a project like this be dependent on the whims of a US defense contractor like RedHat/IBM, especially after what happened with CentOS.
At the same time, Red Hat released the first version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 2.1. The Army deployed Red Hat’s operating system in its Blue Force Tracker system, which lived in jeeps and tanks on the battlefield. Major General Nicholas Justice, the man responsible for Blue Force Tracker, said later:
“When we rolled into Baghdad, we did it using open source.”1
To this day, the U.S. Army remains one of Red Hat’s largest customers by volume. Red Hat was recently made part of the Army's Common Operating Environment, which is their enterprise standard.
Ten years ago, it was hard to use Linux in the U.S. government. Sure, it was being used by research scientists. Sure, it was running the occasional web server.
Various documents in (what wikipedia now calls) the "2010s global surveillance disclosures" showed that many components of NSA (and other Five Eyes partners) infrastructure is run on RedHat Enterprise Linux.
Various documents in (what wikipedia now calls) the "2010s global surveillance disclosures" showed that many components of NSA (and other Five Eyes partners) infrastructure is run on RedHat Enterprise Linux.
It's often illuminating to search a company's job listings for words like "clearance". There are currently only eight listings for that query at RedHat but sometimes they have many more. Here (archive) is a current one. Here is another one archived last year.
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OpenSUSE is first to come to mind, then probably Mageia + OpenMandriva (Mandrake derivatives). All these EU opensource initiatives looks really good, but I fear that they may just be trying to pump taxpayer money and produce actually nothing usable.
I mean Fedora is open source but if they really wanted a european base, they could have gone with opensuse. AFAIK opensuse is the only fully european linux distro plus they use many of the same tech that redhat/fedora does.
Ultimately I think it doesn't matter too much since even the linux foundation is based in the US and large parts of what makes the linux desktop are maintained by non-EU companies (on top of all the major projects hosted by Github, Gitlab including most of Flathub). If its all open source, I think the risks are pretty low e.g. huawei was able to use Android despite all the restrictions.
The more I read the docs, the more I think it doesn't matter, they are poking around an EU distro. Nothing more, for now it is a proof of concept, not entitled to produce anything production ready
I was wondering the same when I came across it a few hours ago and decided to look into it, apparently it’s because it was decided to use an atomic distribution as a base and Suses is apparently not considered stable enough by them. (I can not argue the validity of these statements given either way, that’s just what I found in one of their gitlab issues . if someone wants to look at it for themselves, searching for Fedora on the issue tracker should bring it up)
Having seen SuSE destroy collaborators like OL, CNC and probably Turbo, I'm okay never even working with them as a customer. I intend to avoid them until death.
Well, companies like Valve, they are a bit more worried if the distro are community or organization driven. So, for government, perhaps that same philosophy should be considered which is not the case of Fedora or Suse. They check distros such as Arch or Debian and derivatives.
Sorry, it is very poorly worded. English isn't my primarily language. What I intend to say is that government would benefit for picking a community distro, like Valve did, instead of a company driven one.
Based on a US distro whose versions are supported for 1 year, and "built to the requirements for the EU public sector" (because the EU public sector has one coherent set of requirements and the dev knows them, even if he doesn't list them out).
This is most probably good-intentioned and it is admirable how the dev sprung into action, but it's naive at best.
I thought it was naive as well, but because they based it on a mayfly distro that has really great validation and reliability but it's gone in a fortnight.
Wither Almalinix or Cloudlinux or PCLinuxOS or Mandriva? Three of them have really solid support structures and at least one of them has amazing compatibility options with libraries for services.
There are options. A few of them could be better than fedora while fedora is still owned by redhat as redhat dies from suffocation -- hell, its all just fucking ancillary bull (Ansible) they sell now, as its metastatic cancer (Systemd) eats it alive.
If the EU were concerned about the US jurisdiction of Linux projects it could pick:
OpenSuSE (org based in Germany)
Mint (org based in Ireland)
Manjaro (org based in France/Germany, and based of Arch)
Ubuntu (org based in UK)
However if they didn't care, then they could just use Fedora or other US based distros.
I think it would be a good idea for the EU to adopt linux officially, and maybe even have it's own distro, but I'm not sure this Fedora base makes sense. Ironically this may also be breaching EU trademarks as it's masquerading as an official project by calling itself EU OS.
I would like the EU to make an official universal Linux distro, intended for the ordinary person to use on their PC. Bonus points if they can collaborate with Steam to make it compatible with gaming stuff. The big reason I stuck to Windows 11 is for the sake of games, but if compatibility and ease of use to customize was improved, I would be happy to switch away.
The big thing that the EU can bring to the project is contributing lots of money for making Linux suitable as a daily driver, along with mandating its usage on government machines.
i’d say if it happens it should start with focusing on:
government and workstation (this is important first to have control and independence over so that government isn’t beholden to the whims of foreign companies)
then server (maybe - idk really if that’s worth it though; it’s a whole can of compatibility worms and adoption expense)
then user desktop
though there is the argument that workstation and user desktop are close enough to each other that user desktop should be above server, but i’d imagine it’d be more of a “home user” than gamer situation. i could imagine some regulations around refurbishing old tech with this kind of OS too, and this would be more about low spec machines (that’d help workstations too)
If the sanctions we are talking about actually took place, Steam in EU would be fucked. Better bet in GOG. Also, Bazzite is easier to setup and use than Windows. I made the switch a year ago, I still don't know crap about Linux. Just try it.
It already is suitable as a daily driver, I use it for work and gaming.
I already tried it about a month and a half ago. Linux is really user-unfriendly if you got games that aren't Steam exclusive or like modding. I got lots of older games or ones meant for a Japanese locale system, and I had issues with installing DLC via Heroic Games Launcher / Lutris / or just getting Mini Galaxy to work properly.
In any case, I want Steam to work with the EU on a EU Linux, since they got lots of money, data, and influence to help develop the distro. Plus, Gabe doesn't want his platform locked onto Windows, so you got a personal motivation for Steam to seriously cooperate with the EU. The EU can put lighter sanctions on Steam if people buy games while using EU Linux. This would help drive adoption and normalize Linux usage among normal people after a decade or so.
Yeah, I agree... modding, trainers and games outside Steam aren't easy enough yet. On Windows I didn't use to mod games (except for Minecraft which is easy on Linux), so that didn't hurt. What I did lose was WeMod. My take is that using Steam is way less bad than having to use Windows.
Well, all the distros being discussed are open source - it's kind of a requirement when making a linux distro because the licences require it and you wouldn't be able to make it closed source. (Unless there's a huge shift in the law)
And being open source doesn't necessarily prevent it falling under sanctions legislation. I have seen a linux distro being legally required to "take reasonable steps" to geo-block Russian access to its repos, and I've personally read disclaimers when installing linux that "This software is not allowed to be used in Russia". (That distro is 'owned' by an organisation that was controlled by a single person, so it's probably not comparable to Debian) We're all technical people so we can all probably think of half a dozen ways around that, but it was still ordered by the US Government (even before the current government)
And you may be right in that it would be excempt. Debian isn't owned by anyone, but its trademark is(Software in the Public Interest), and it feels possible that those who help distribute foss (by mirroring repos f
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Well, all the distros being discussed are open source - it's kind of a requirement when making a linux distro because the licences require it and you wouldn't be able to make it closed source. (Unless there's a huge shift in the law)
And being open source doesn't necessarily prevent it falling under sanctions legislation. I have seen a linux distro being legally required to "take reasonable steps" to geo-block Russian access to its repos, and I've personally read disclaimers when installing linux that "This software is not allowed to be used in Russia". (That distro is 'owned' by an organisation that was controlled by a single person, so it's probably not comparable to Debian) We're all technical people so we can all probably think of half a dozen ways around that, but it was still ordered by the US Government (even before the current government)
And you may be right in that it would be excempt. Debian isn't owned by anyone, but its trademark is(Software in the Public Interest), and it feels possible that those who help distribute foss (by mirroring repos for example) may be restricted if they fall under US jurisdiction. I don't know for certain - and unless someone here is a qualified lawyer specialising in software licences as well as how software rooted in the US relates to sanctions - we're all probably guessing.
Three months ago any of this would have felt ridiculous - who would want to stop free software? But now? In this era of the ridiculous? I certainly feel unsure about predicting anything.
I still don't see how the US can stop anyone from forking Debian etc.
Worst case scenario I can see is "The US implements martial law, no more trade what so ever allowed with anyone outside of the US and they put up a fire-wall to block all internet"
In that scenario we literally just pull Debian from the European mirrors, fork it and create NewDebian.
Problem solved.
Currently we heavily rely on Microsoft, Apple etc. If the US does the same thing, we're fucked because we can't just fork MS or Apple software.
We're an ingenious and motivated bunch (See all the Redhat attempts to stop clones, and lots of other examples), so yes, I think we'd absolutely work around the problem if it was to happen.
Fair point about systemd, or any of the other core components - I don't know.
But I don't think we'd be fucked - we're ingenious and motivated and have a proven record of adapting and innovating to solve problems that stop us playing with our toys.
I would think that SUSE's supported distro is enterprise ready. I don't have personal experience on it though. I've only ever used Tumbleweed once. I hope a SUSE admin can respond.
I mean, SUSE Linux Enterprise, the distro on which OpenSUSE Leap is based, has been developed by SUSE since 2000. It's newest version, 15, is used in IBM's Watson and HP's Frontier supercomputers. I'd say it's enterprise ready.
I just looked into how easy it would be to install nvidia drivers on openSUSE and it's not as great as Fedora for comparison, that's one of the only 2 down sides I've found so far. The other downside is a personal preference one, for many it's an upside, and it would be an upside for anyone basing an entire distro on it, and that's how there's nothing fancy installed alongside openSUSE, it's not bloated. No starship prompt in the terminal, no proprietary codecs etc. I like how openSUSE defaults to a lot of BTRFS subvolumes for almost each important root directory and comes preinstalled with snapper, that's very neat. And it's so nice to use YaST, what a treat. While Fedora does also have patterns, getting to use a graphical installer with YaST is so nice. I'm glazing a lot for someone that doesn't daily run it, so maybe I should just switch one of these days, haha. Maybe when my Nobara installation dies.
Yeah I have used opensuse for the past couple years (still do!) but while there is plenty to like, if I were to do a reinstall I would likely move back to Fedora.
Then again, I basically never use YaST, which I suppose is one of the main song points.
My daily driver is an nvidia laptop with opensuse, takes like one afternoon to get everything ready with barely any former Linux experience.
Just use zypper (or yast) to add the proprietary nvidia repository (or nouveau) and install your drivers. Install everything else you need through zypper (or yast or flatpak). Familiarise yourself with keybinds, set new keybinds (not needed of course but its nice to know keybinds - if you're using KDE already they'll probably be the same anyway). Select KDE's dark "breeze for OpenSUSE" theme (or some other theme, but breeze for opensuse just is so polished). Configure other preferences (night light from sundown to sunrise, set up Firefox sync (if you use that), connect to onedrive or whichever cloud you're using, ... . Done. No need to wait 😀
alternative POV: it’s entirely FOSS so there’s little control that can be exerted from its use. it’s also entirely free, so use is extracting value without providing anything in return. by its use, you’re taking resources to maintain, host, etc and providing nothing in return
similar reason to why i don’t use ecosia with an ad blocker: by blocking ads you’re using their resources without giving back and thus you’re taking resources away from the charity
This is true, but then why not base it off Guix (the GNU distro)? ..I'm sure Fedora is full of binary blobs and not-so-free software.
If they needed it, they could still add extra software and blobs to Guix, sourced by the EU... and I think doing that would allow it to carve itself a niche (a version of Guix with more compatibility would be interesting for many) rather than sticking a white label on Fedora and call it something else. I don't see a lot of value on this over just using Fedora directly, I'm not sure if it's true that Fedora & Red Hat do not benefit from this... wouldn't their support agents be able to just start providing support also to EU OS customers if they (both customers and support agents) want? Wouldn't it make it more interesting for private companies working closely with the government to choose Red Hat as a partner when it comes to enterprise Linux?
I guess we'll have to see how much they customize it, but in my experience with previous attempts, I'm expecting just a re-skin, just Fedora with different theme. At most, with some extra softwa
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This is true, but then why not base it off Guix (the GNU distro)? ..I'm sure Fedora is full of binary blobs and not-so-free software.
If they needed it, they could still add extra software and blobs to Guix, sourced by the EU... and I think doing that would allow it to carve itself a niche (a version of Guix with more compatibility would be interesting for many) rather than sticking a white label on Fedora and call it something else. I don't see a lot of value on this over just using Fedora directly, I'm not sure if it's true that Fedora & Red Hat do not benefit from this... wouldn't their support agents be able to just start providing support also to EU OS customers if they (both customers and support agents) want? Wouldn't it make it more interesting for private companies working closely with the government to choose Red Hat as a partner when it comes to enterprise Linux?
I guess we'll have to see how much they customize it, but in my experience with previous attempts, I'm expecting just a re-skin, just Fedora with different theme. At most, with some extra software preinstalled. I don't think that's a threat to Fedora or Red Hat, but rather an opportunity for expansion.
I'm sure Fedora is full of binary blobs and not-so-free software
fedora is staunchly opposed to non-free software in their default distro … that spat a few weeks ago with OBS was related to that AFAIK
unsure about like signed blobs for “security” services but i imagine they’d be very limited, and optional
rather than sticking a white label on Fedora and call it something else
but for what benefit? no matter what’s trying to be achieved, starting with a very full-featured, robust OS that’s widely used is going to serve you very well… not just technically (less work for the same outcome), but for human reasons
there are loads of guides out there for how to fix fedora issues, few for guix… loads of RPMs that are compatible with fedora, and i can only imagine fewer packages for guix
and then if you’re talking about server OSes - and actually workstations too - managing them with tools like ansible etc… fedora is going to have off the shelf
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I'm sure Fedora is full of binary blobs and not-so-free software
fedora is staunchly opposed to non-free software in their default distro … that spat a few weeks ago with OBS was related to that AFAIK
unsure about like signed blobs for “security” services but i imagine they’d be very limited, and optional
rather than sticking a white label on Fedora and call it something else
but for what benefit? no matter what’s trying to be achieved, starting with a very full-featured, robust OS that’s widely used is going to serve you very well… not just technically (less work for the same outcome), but for human reasons
there are loads of guides out there for how to fix fedora issues, few for guix… loads of RPMs that are compatible with fedora, and i can only imagine fewer packages for guix
and then if you’re talking about server OSes - and actually workstations too - managing them with tools like ansible etc… fedora is going to have off the shelf solutions
just Fedora with different theme
well, the actual software and configuration i’d argue aren’t the important part - owning the infrastructure is the important part… package mirrors, distribution methods (eg a website), being able to veto or replace certain packages, and the branding (or regulation) that draws people to it… being able to roll out a security patch to every installation without a 3rd party okaying it, for example
but for what benefit? [...] fedora is going to have off the shelf solutions
Yes, but that's my point: fedora is already fully featured.. the work needed is trivial, to the point that directly using an installation of fedora by itself (along with tools like ansible) wouldn't be very different from doing he same with EU OS... at that point you don't need a whole new distro, just Fedora and maybe some trivial scripts (which you are gonna need anyway in any large scale installation, even if you went with EU OS).
Imho, there would be more value if something actually novel was used, and new guides and howtos were created to simplify/clarify things that used to be hard. What would be a pity is to spend a lot of euros for something that is trivial to do, and that only helps filling the pockets of some corrupt politic
but for what benefit? [...] fedora is going to have off the shelf solutions
Yes, but that's my point: fedora is already fully featured.. the work needed is trivial, to the point that directly using an installation of fedora by itself (along with tools like ansible) wouldn't be very different from doing he same with EU OS... at that point you don't need a whole new distro, just Fedora and maybe some trivial scripts (which you are gonna need anyway in any large scale installation, even if you went with EU OS).
Imho, there would be more value if something actually novel was used, and new guides and howtos were created to simplify/clarify things that used to be hard. What would be a pity is to spend a lot of euros for something that is trivial to do, and that only helps filling the pockets of some corrupt politician's friend. I mean, I'm not against a simple thing, but then I'd hope they at least showed how they will be spending the budget on some other way (marketing? ..will there be actual custom software? ..are they gonna maintain the entire repo themselves?).
well, the actual software and configuration i’d argue aren’t the important part - owning the infrastructure is the important part…
But I was not arguing against that. And if they did promise to do that, then that would be different. The problem is precisely that I'm expecting them to NOT own most of the infrastructure and instead rely on Fedora repositories, because from experience that's how these things usually go.
I repeat the full context of the section you quoted: "I guess we’ll have to see how much they customize it, but in my experience with previous attempts, I’m expecting just a re-skin, just Fedora with different theme"
Maybe you have a different experience with government-managed distros, but there have been some attempts at that in my (european) country that were definitely not much more than a reskinned Ubuntu (and before that, Debian) from back in the day. They used Ubuntu repositories (ie. Ubuntu infrastructure), and the only extra repo they added was not a mirror, but just hosted a few packages that were actually produced by them and were responsible for the theming, reskining and defaults. They used metapackages that depend on upstream packages to control what was part of the default desktop environment, there might have been a few more extra packages (mainly backports), but very few and always lagging behind alternative backport repos. Uninstall the metapackage (which you might do if you wanna remove some of the preinstalled things) and it literally was Ubuntu straight from Ubuntu official repos. There was no filtering, no veto, no replacing, no mirroring.
Also, just to keep things grounded in the initial point: do you really think that Fedora / Red Hat would not benefit at all from it?
The spat with the OBS devs was due to a fedora package maintainer refusing to package OBS with an older library for their own Fedora Flatpak repo, despite the newer library causing severe breakage with OBS (which is why the OBS devs held it back in the flathub release).
I think the point is, you just don't support products from countries led by dictators. I wouldn't use an OS from North Korea, no matter how free it was. LOL
In my case, the US is worse than North Korea, because they threaten the existence of my country (Canada) on a daily basis.
And for the EU, they have as much reason to distance themselves from Americans than I do.
There are far too many alternatives from other countries to even entertain an American distro. My opinion, anyway.
Most distros, not all, are based in, or run by, American legal entities.
Redhat, Rocky, Alma, Debian, etc - all legally American. This is a problem if the US requires sanctions against another country. All of those cannot legally supply products to Russia now, but in the future who's to say what other countries the US will sanction? People are only now starting to realise that sanctions can be applied to software too, and many countries are entirely reliant upon US Software. (Seriously, do a quick audit - 90% of our tech company's stack is US originated)
Alternatives: Suse (German) Ubuntu (UK, but based on Debian, so likely subject to supply chain restrictions).
As much as I love what they're doing, tieing an OS to a specific region via name seems like the opposite of Open Source values.. Then again, I suppose it could just be forked into a more generalized version
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The idea of a "distro for EU public sector" is neat, but even the PoC has some flaws when considering technical sovereignty.
First of all, using Gitlab & Gitlab CI. Gitlab is an American company with most of its developers based in the US. Sure, you could host it by yourself but why would you do it considering Forgejo is lighter and mostly developed by developers based in the EU area?
The idea of basing it on Fedora is also somewhat confusing. Sure, it's a good distro for derivatives, but it's mostly developed by IBM developers. The tech sovereignty argument doesn't hold well against Murphy's law.
Fedora is not that detached from IBM.They dictate it's development hence the removal of codecs. If it was a community addition why would it matter? And why would they remove the codecs. After that it was obvious fedora was not a community dustro but driven by Redhat.
Regular release distros do security updates, backported if needed. Rolling release means introducing unknown security bugs until they are found and fixed. To me, the whole dilemma between regular and rolling is do I want old bugs or new bugs? But the security bugs get fixed on both.
if you're not paying it doesn't really matter. open source belongs to everyone; it's a disservice to put it in the same bag as, say, a Microsoft or Apple OS.
plus how far removed is enough? are we going to scrutinize what programming languages were used and where they originated as well?
Open source is free for everyone, I think the objection is more about an american company being able to directly influence the decisions, operating under US jurisdiction, etc.
As far as I'm concerned, open-source has no nationality, even for a public-sector project. Yes, Red Hat is American. They also don't own Fedora.
From the very start, we've been built on the contributions of people from every corner of the globe, why should we care about petty geographical squabbles like this?
Yes, Red Hat is American, and whether you like it or not, this comes with legal and political dependencies. Fedora is subject to U.S. laws (e.g., Cloud Act, export controls), which poses a risk to EU digital sovereignty.
Yes, Red Hat does not own Fedora. And IBM, which owns Red Hat, also does not own Fedora. But it has significant influence and could prioritize business or political interests over EU needs.
And another question is: Why shouldn’t we use a European OS when we already have viable alternatives?
If it was a community addition why would it matter? And why would they remove the codecs.
You don't have to be a corporation to be held liable for legal issues with hosting codecs. Just need to be big enough for lawyers to see you as an attractive target and in a country where codec patent issues apply. There's a very good reason why the servers for deb-multimedia (Debian's multimedia repo), RPM Fusion (Fedora's multimedia repo), VLC's site, and others are all hosted in France and do not offer US-based mirrors. France is a safe haven for foss media codecs because its law does not consider software patentable, unlike the US and even most other EU nations.
Fedora's main repos are hosted in the US. Even if they weren't, the ability for any normal user around the world to host and use mirrors is a very important part of an open community-friendly distro, and the existence of patented codecs in that repo would open any mirrors up to liability. Debian has the same exact issue, and both distros settled on the same solution: point users to a separate repo
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If it was a community addition why would it matter? And why would they remove the codecs.
You don't have to be a corporation to be held liable for legal issues with hosting codecs. Just need to be big enough for lawyers to see you as an attractive target and in a country where codec patent issues apply. There's a very good reason why the servers for deb-multimedia (Debian's multimedia repo), RPM Fusion (Fedora's multimedia repo), VLC's site, and others are all hosted in France and do not offer US-based mirrors. France is a safe haven for foss media codecs because its law does not consider software patentable, unlike the US and even most other EU nations.
Fedora's main repos are hosted in the US. Even if they weren't, the ability for any normal user around the world to host and use mirrors is a very important part of an open community-friendly distro, and the existence of patented codecs in that repo would open any mirrors up to liability. Debian has the same exact issue, and both distros settled on the same solution: point users to a separate repo that is hosted in France which contains extra packages for patent-encumbered codecs.
In my opinion, If sovereignty is the goal i think GTK based DE will be safer than QT based DE.
I am aware of The Free QT foundation And its relation to KDE but in a long term there is possibility of things might get complicated if there is change in policy . And even the QT trademark is not totally free. I'm not trying to start DE war, i love both KDE and GNOME.
The Qt foundation tried to get fucky once already, and KDE and some other major companies that rely on it were about ready to fork it if they persisted. Qt seemed to calm down after that.
Not a great relationship to be in though, constantly suspecting that your toolkit might do a rugpull at some point if the shareholders demand it. But I think they could pull off a fork if they ever did.
To be fair, he said he's passionate about peer-to-peer technology and listed Bitcoin as an example. I don't think that makes him a crypto bro. He probably just appreciates the theory behind it.
Fedora is too much into RedHat, and that's an American company, it depends on it. You'll have to go at least Arch, or Debian (which are more community-driven), or Ubuntu or Mint (that are European). But I wouldn't use anything Redhat-produced for an EU OS.
Τοο bad I don't like it as a distro... I find it ugly, e.g. the ancient yast gui it has. I'd prefer Debian myself, or a fork of it (if politically necessary).
So you find Gnome & KDE ugly? I've never needed to use Yast for any system configuration. Having BTFRS with snapshots as default makes it a great distro.
Yast is a must to configure it without headaches. It's an eyesore. I also don't like rpm in general. I tried OpenSuse last year, and I didn't like the experience of it. Then again, I don't like Fedora either. And I find Arch unstable. For me, Debian is where it's at.
Someone who doesn’t use the distro is saying a tool ‘is a must’ when I do use the distro and have never needed it. You do you, but the point of my original comment was that it’s a valid distro for Europeans wanting a non-US option. Doesn’t mean you need to like it or use, but others might.
As I said, I used it last year. I didn't like it. I WANT gui tools, like yast, but not ones that were designed in the '90s. Linux Mint has the best user experience.
"...note that the company allowed employees to listen to Alexa voice recordings.. Bloomberg reported that Amazon employees listened to as many as 1,000 audio samples during their nine-hour shifts."
On #music : people aren't ready to accept the fact that some of the best musicians in the world are found in black and death metal, jazz, and hindustani classical.
Now that friendica.world seems (somewhat) stable, there's more to be done 😀 First, we need to setup a test instance so we can test big changes before deploying on the main instance. Then, we need to move the media storage from the database to S3 (test it first..)
Also, we have configured some VMs which can take part of the Friendica instance so we can scale for better performance, but we need to cutover to that...
Enough to do still!
If there's anyone that would like to join the team and help out, let me know! Basically looking for IT enthousiasts. Some knowledge of Linux is required, knowledge of docker would be nice but can also be taught while doing. Apart from the tasks mentioned above, we also manage the infra for about 15 other instances so there's always something to do. It's all on a volunteer basis. We have a nice team going on, we communicate in Slack. DM me if you're interested!!!
Dag Ruud, heb je al genoeg mensen om mee te doen? Ik ken iemand op facebook die nogal enthousiast is met IT en ook het woord Linux wel 's heeft laten vallen. (ik heb geen idee) . Zit jij ook op facebook? Kijk dan 's bij Simon de Waal.
Nee, Facebook account heb ik inmiddels verwijderd. Kun je hem misschien vragen of hij interesse heeft om mee te helpen? Hij kan dan mailen naar info@friendica.world
It's looking like Inkscape 1.5 is going to use native dialogs! This is great news for non-GNOME users who will no longer be forced to contend with some of the absolutely unhinged UI patterns that come from GTK, such as combination (CSD) headerbars with action buttons on either side of them:
So I've been reading up on some of the common core math strategies that people are complaining about here in the US only to find that it's basically the same stuff I've been doing my entire life because my neurotype simply will not allow for rote memorization of stuff I'm not interested in.
I so wish my need to understand had been taken seriously all those years ago, instead of my mental math techniques becoming a quiet way for me to hide my inability to remember my multiplication tables, because like, now as an adult I'm re-discovering how neat and useful algebra is but hitting roadblocks because of things like forgetting where to put the decimal place when doing the old-school division algorithm. #math #education
It’s International Long Covid Awareness Day, and my latest article looks at the reasons why people believe they don’t know anyone with Long Covid.
We desperately need increased visibility into this debilitating chronic illness so that we can raise awareness and fund treatments, mitigations and cures.
Anyone can get Long Covid. It’s not limited to ‘only the vulnerable’ or those who had a severe initial infection.
This disease does not discriminate. Even people with asymptomatic initial infections have found themselves disabled by Long Covid.
It’s time we start processing the trauma of the pandemic and stop living in denial.
We are in the middle of a mass disabling event, and the longer it takes us to admit that, the more people will be harmed.
Let’s spread the word that the only way to avoid Long Covid is to avoid getting Covid in the first place.
Wear a mask. Stay home when sick. Clean and ventilate the air.
When we all agree to care about the air we share, we can begin to bring about real ch
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It’s International Long Covid Awareness Day, and my latest article looks at the reasons why people believe they don’t know anyone with Long Covid.
We desperately need increased visibility into this debilitating chronic illness so that we can raise awareness and fund treatments, mitigations and cures.
Anyone can get Long Covid. It’s not limited to ‘only the vulnerable’ or those who had a severe initial infection.
This disease does not discriminate. Even people with asymptomatic initial infections have found themselves disabled by Long Covid.
It’s time we start processing the trauma of the pandemic and stop living in denial.
We are in the middle of a mass disabling event, and the longer it takes us to admit that, the more people will be harmed.
Let’s spread the word that the only way to avoid Long Covid is to avoid getting Covid in the first place.
Wear a mask. Stay home when sick. Clean and ventilate the air.
When we all agree to care about the air we share, we can begin to bring about real change.
Yes. You do. This Long Covid Awareness Day I want to talk about the reasons why many people don't realize they have Long Covid, as well as why others choose to hide their diagnosis.
I know people who know that they have Long Covid. I also know people who don’t think they have it though I am almost positive they do. I also know people who have had Covid multple times and I’d be shocked of they didn’t have Long Covid. It’s a health time bomb much like shingles … sigh …
I seriously don't 'know' anyone in real life, who has Long Covid. No-one I know personally will even admit to getting a Covid infection more than once. Covid has become like an STD. No-one wants to talk about it😳🙄
I’ve been told to shut up more than once when just saying ‘I’m so pleased the constant agony of my long covid has finally passed’, feels similar to those people who get aggressive when you refuse to drink
I recently went on a trip with a friend. She has stopped masking in her every day life, but for this trip, she turned up with a surgical mask, just for me.
my son has long COVID and has been sick since last August. That is after three years of vaccinations. I can’t imagine how much worse it would be without the vaccine.
When this image of the Shoyeido Incense Company's storefront in Kyoto, Japan was taken way back in 1907, the company was already some 200 years old.
For a little Western history context, at the time of Shoyeido's founding, England's Queen Anne was just getting around to knighting Sir Isaac Newton, and the American colonies were still decades away from establishing independence.
ICE is terrible etc and also, white Europeans and white Americans are finally learning what your countries do to brown and black people / has been doing to / have always been doing to / still do to
No individual should have to suffer this sort of inhumanity; I hope all of this galvanizes you to speak up against inhumane immigration detention for *all* people
that ICE and the administration are now doing this to white Europeans is certainly an escalation, but the fundamental problem is, and always has been, that it does this to anyone.
And so long as it retains the ability to do this to anyone, no one is safe. I really, really hope that is made abundantly clear to everyone, because as long as ICE, the infrastructure behind it, the the ideology that led to its creation and current status exist, it will be bad. People will be harmed.
I desperately hope people don’t just take a few token white people being released (if that happens) and move on…
@Adrianna Tan Also, this racism / xenophobia ruins the immigration system for everyone. Just try getting a UK spousal visa for your partner without being wealthy and/or spending months to years apart. It's nigh-on impossible.
amen. it's concerning that they're doing this to Germans and Brits now, sure, but what's much more concerning is the way their ability to act punitively has been expanded against people like Mahmoud Khalil, who were never safe from over policing but were supposed to be permanent residents.
@impy They are going after everybody at once all the time in order to completely overwhelm the people so that they become passive and obedient. If people just keep their heads down and do as they're told, the Nazis win.
so I open the window and, foolishly, the screen because I hate window screens. Of course, a gigantic wasp flies in. So now I have a kitten-sized wasp in a deli container.
Hello Mastodon! I'm a power engineer who is trying out solo game development and on the way to release Power Network Tycoon - a game where you build and manage your own electrical grid with real physics simulation.
If you've ever wondered how power systems actually work (or why they fail), this might be your jam. I built it to be technically accurate while still being fun. To say it's been a challenge is an understatement
@maddad Ah yeah. Well the itchio version doesn't require any of that. It's just the steam achievements and that sort of steam functions that won't work.
@DavidMadeThis the game looks so cool! And such a great fit with my power grid mystery series/hopeful climate fiction! You might like it 😀
Maybe we could do something fun with cross-promo... I'm not a gamer but I'd love to play around with this. I'm a huge fan of microgrids for sustainability reasons and I'm putting one in the novel I'm writing right now. Is the game available to play (it says it released last month but I'm not savvy about "early access" and such)?
@susankayequinn @oinak Oh that is interesting. I love the term solarpunk and I'm embarrassed to say I hadn't heard of it before, but I see there is a bit online for it. You can play the demo free at the below link (early access essentially means a near final draft). The game probably has a slightly lean toward environmentalism but focused on realism (eg there are challenges). Happy to discuss further!
Cool! I will play the demo when I get a chance! I'm embarrassed to say I've bought many a steam gift card but never played myself — my kids will nod knowingly if an electrical grid game is my first LOL!
Let me do that and noodle a bit on what might be fun promo and touch back then.
If you're curious about solarpunk, I've got lots of links on my profile/website/podcast but I like to point people to my story "It's in the Blood" for a quick taste (free, online). 🌱
Maybe I'm alone in this, but while people often say they stick to Debian or Ubuntu based distros because they value stability, I swear it seems like I've had less issues with Arch / EndeavourOS, and I get all the latest features in a timely manner. Also, using anything but KDE now feels like downgrading from a supercar to a skateboard.
I completely agree with you about Arch. I've been using it for over 10 years with no real problems. I have a 9 year old machine that is up to date and Arch was only ever installed once.
Ubuntu has always been frought with problems. Upgrades gone terribly wrong. And so much else.
Fixes when can find them tend to be click this try that. Instead of go look at this wiki page and follow the instructions.
Arch based distros have more freedom, more choice and the best doc around. Rolling releases are the best.
I'd say it's unfair to lump Ubuntu's issues with Debian. I've had systems run without issue for over a decade with Debian; only failure was due to faulty hardware. The few times I've tried Ubuntu, I've run into various issues caused by Canonical, whether UX or technical.
Most recently I installed Ubuntu on my parents desktop. They complained Firefox was closing on them randomly. Turns out snap was closing Firefox mid-use due to updates. Switched to Debian+Firefox/Flatpack, now zero complaints.
Dude gave anyone looking for forensic clues a layup
would lock every employee out of their accounts if his credentials were ever revoked, and named the code IsDLEnabledinAD, as in "Is Davis Lu enabled in Active Directory."
That's kind of an easy figure out: look for all the D.L.s in the company and work from there. But then
investigators subsequently found the source code for this program on an internal development server in Kentucky, and that Lu's user account had been used to execute the malware on the production box. Lu was also the only member of his team who had access privileges for that dev machine.
I would almost always prefer a smaller, cheaper option over an expensive and gargantuan portion that makes me both poorer and fatter. Thank you. #food #restaurant
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on the topic of like, the income cultural divide, let me just say this one moral ruling: if you're not poor, you don't get to laugh at people who fall for things like Rent to Own scams.
Yes, it's a sucker's trap, but you really cannot know the desperate lure of lifestyle self-determination when you're poor. You can get by without this thing or that thing. You don't need that couch by any means. But this is about running a marathon
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it REALLY fucks with you to not indulge EVER. to get EVERYTHING from thrift or from somebody's curb or whatever.
When all your choices are about refraining rather than partaking, your entire life becomes miserable survival. Something like a couch can be an incredible temptation because you just want. one thing. one thing. You want to be able to say "i want this couch" and HAVE the couch. and know it's because it's your choice
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like it's really not about the couch. it's really not. it's about having at least enough fucking control over your existence that you had the agency to have ONE thing in your life you can look at as yours. Yours in a way that wasn't settling, that wasn't just what was there at the thrift store.
like sometimes i just look at shit i don't really want that much but my soul still aches because i just want to be have a choice in life
"This exchange of bread and water was more than a simple act of trade; it was a testament to our humanity that refused to be stolen by the Israeli genocide... sharing what little we had and giving from our scarcity."
Doing an #introduction as I'm new to Friendica, which is quickly becoming one of my favorite ways to engage with the fediverse, and friendica.world. I'm always happy to meet people with similar interests, so feel free to boost / share!
I'm a human who loves weird art, all sorts of music (from Hindustani to Death Metal), tech, sunny days, green hills, incense, tea, spirits, soft couches, cats, and books. I'm a prolific vegan cook, and I design, code, write, play games, and produce, write, and play music for fun.
A) This is Trump intimidating protestors in advance and implying he has the power to suspend constitutional rights; if he can do it to students, he can do it anyone.
B) Boy it's a good thing the LIBERAL half of our establishment hasn't spent the last 18 months turning campuses into police outposts while arguing student protestors are hate criminals, Russian dupes and domestic terrorists, to protect an unpopular US-backed genocide that got Trump elected, or that nazi might think this will fly!
You remember that part during the election where I was screaming "the people you're insisting are going to stop fascism are the VERY SAME PEOPLE who built the fascist police state that Trump is going to use to fuck you up and destroy your life?"
Yeah, good times. Why am I bringing this up again now? Oh, no reason...
By the way, the mainstream media reporting on this so far is fantastic in the very literal sense that I cannot believe it's real. Literally EVERY for profit media outlet is leading with the threat to cut funding and emphasizing the deportation of foreign students while actively working to draw you attention away from the threat to jail American student protestors and the assault on Constitutional rights.
Because these people have no fucking souls and already threw in for team genocide.
Constitutional rights aside: deporting and imprisoning the brightest minds of our working age population is something so stupid only a failed business man wouldnt be able to see the consequences.
In a country with an aging workforce, declining birthrate, and now less immigration/deportations, and has been further reduced by covid and other pathogens: theres no way the oligarchs can afford to lose more of the labor pool.
at least if he kicks all the students off campus for protesting, they’ll have so much more free time to protest without classes! What an absolute thug. I guess they aren’t the party of free speech after all!
The COVID-19 Pandemic is still a real problem here in the US. People can wear masks if they want to. He doesn't get a say over state laws in these matters.
Having little money and seeing calls for boycotts is pretty neat. I can be like "Nope, not buying from them, not buying that, can't afford that, nope, not buying that either, can't afford that, nor that, nor that, can't buy that, I don't think they'd let me in the store for that, and *obviously* I wouldn't buy that, either."
"Since the age of Reagan, the greatest scarcity in the United States is not technical innovation, but rather the willingness to work together for the public good. It makes no sense to encourage the former at the expense of the latter."
"Since the age of Reagan, the greatest scarcity in the United States is not technical innovation, but rather the willingness to work together for the public good. It makes no sense to encourage the former at the expense of the latter."
"Since the age of Reagan, the greatest scarcity in the United States is not technical innovation, but rather the willingness to work together for the public good. It makes no sense to encourage the former at the expense of the latter."
"For people could close their eyes to greatness, to horrors, to beauty, and their ears to melodies or deceiving words. But they could not escape scent. For scent was a brother of breath. Together with breath it entered human beings, who could not defend themselves against it, not if they wanted to live. And scent entered into their very core, went directly to their hearts, and decided for good and all between affection and contempt, disgust and lust, love and hate. He who ruled scent ruled the hearts of men."
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in reply to elle • • •yeah, good to point out to people the "administrative error" -- like the one that happened in the case of Maryland citizen Abrego Garcia -- that might send you to in a prison in El Salvador with a US government unwilling to lift a finger to get you out.
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An ‘administrative error’ sent Maryland man to an El Salvador prison, ICE says
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Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia is a Maryland legal resident -- or was until he was kidnapped -- but not a citizen.
(But as others note, all persons in the US, regardless of citizenship, have a constitutional right to due process.)
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thank you for that correction.
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>> They don't even let many of these people speak to a lawyer (which is required by law, but whatevs I guess.)
It's because deportation is not technically supposed to be a punishment. It's supposed to be a civil corrective action like the police taking a drunk guy home. Of course the way the US uses it, especially deporting people directly into prison, this notion of "not punishment" is absurd!
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in reply to elle • • •Seems like a steady diet of cop shows would make a dent.
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in reply to Matthew Dockrey • • •A timely reminder for #stfuFriday 😌
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in reply to elle • • •I am shocked that that needs to be pointed out. What did they THINK happened?
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in reply to elle • • •Given that 49% of Americans do not have passports ... That might be not be that simple even if they were allowed to go home.
usatoday.com/story/travel/news…
Americans want to see the world, but only 51% took this important step to do it
, USA TODAY (USA TODAY)Thad
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in reply to George Saich • • •Due process is a very nice myth.
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in reply to Violet Madder • • •I think at one time it was an aspiration.
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Thanks for the reminder of this really important point , which is lost in a lot of the news coverage about the abuses against non-citizens.
“No person** shall…be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law”
**not citizen
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in reply to Flock of Cats 🐈 🐈 🐈 🌸 • • •I have heard a number of people say, "But, they are not citizens." IT DOESN'T MATTER.
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in reply to elle • • •Imagine if it were true that all Actual Citizens™ of a given country were 100% guaranteed proper due process, while the authorities often sent non-citizens to indefinite periods in torture chambers on the incontestable whim of the relevant official.
That is a bloody evil country to be part of. Every citizen within it would have the moral duty to revolt against such inhumanity in whatever ways they could, *even if* they were personally in no direct danger of having that horrific power used upon them.
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in reply to elle • • •This reminds me of an argument I got into with someone who was arguing that we should all be carrying our birth certificates at all times to prove citizenship many years ago. When pointing out that this made no sense for almost everyone they showed their habd as being a defence contractor where one is required to carry that level of documentation at all time.
They did not back down on this point when pointing out how that was not 99.5% of Americans.
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in reply to elle • • •Already bad for the ones with a passport, even worse for the other half of Americans who don’t have, never mind the 20M Americans that don’t have *any* document they could easily produce.
But they’re probably right, the most important ‘papers’ in the America of the future will be paper-white skin or privilege that shows.
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